What does a sanctuary city entail?
Reaction to illegal immigrant accused of murder in San Francisco on 'Hannity'
This is a rush transcript from "Hannity," July 6, 2015. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.
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ERIC BOLLING, GUEST HOST (voice-over): Tonight...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) boom, boom, three times.
BOLLING: An illegal immigrant who's been deported five times admits to killing a woman in San Francisco. Ann Coulter is here with reaction.
RICK PERRY, R-TEXAS, FMR. GOV., PRES. CANDIDATE: He's going to have to defend those remarks. I never will. I will stand up and say that those are offensive.
BOLLING: And Republican presidential candidates respond to Donald Trump's comments about Mexican immigrants.
Plus, Chicago is rocked by a wave of gun violence during the 4th of July holiday weekend.
And Hillary Clinton ropes off reporters.
"Hannity" starts right here, right now.
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BOLLING: Welcome to "Hannity."
An illegal immigrant who should have been deported earlier this year admitted in a jailhouse interview to killing a woman last week on a pier in San Francisco.
I'm Eric Bolling, in for Sean tonight.
Francisco Sanchez, who's been deported five times and has seven felony convictions, is accused of killing 32-year-old Kathryn Steinle. But U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials are saying this could have been prevented had they been notified of his release from prison.
Back in March, Sanchez was in San Francisco police custody on felony drug charges, but local authorities decided not to prosecute him and set him free instead of alerting ICE so that he could be deported. The reason this is thought to have happened is because San Francisco is considered a sanctuary city.
Joining me now with reaction is former assistant secretary of Homeland Security for U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement John Torres.
Thank you for joining us, Mr. Torres. Sanctuary city -- I think a lot of our audience would love to understand exactly what do you mean by "sanctuary city"? What does that entail?
JOHN TORRES, FMR. ASST. SECY. OF DHS FOR U.S. ICE: A sanctuary city is a location that says they are not going to cooperate with immigration enforcement. In other words, they're not going to share any information about a person they may have in custody so that immigration authorities can act on it.
BOLLING: So tell me, does that mean if someone is picked up by the sanctuary city, the federal immigration laws don't apply anymore?
TORRES: Well, it doesn't mean they don't apply, but what it means is immigration authorities are not going to know about it. And so immigration agents will have to go out on their own and try to locate this person so that they can bring them in to face, you know, a deportation hearing.
BOLLING: Now, are sanctuary cities -- are there -- is there more crime in sanctuary cities because of this?
TORRES: Well, unfortunately, there's the potential for more people to be victimized, if, especially in a case like this, you're talking about letting a violent felon walk back out on the street.
BOLLING: And that's exactly what happened here. Explain -- it's such a vicious cycle. So the illegal gets picked up. He commits a crime. He gets picked up. For whatever reason, he gets released. ICE is not notified, and he can go as he pleases and then ICE can pick him up another time and another time and again and again?
TORRES: And unfortunately, it costs the taxpayers more money because ICE agents now have to go out and look for the people out on the street.
And so you have a team that's going to be sent out, working out on the street. Potentially, there's an officer safety, as well as a community safety factor, because you have to actually arrest the person in possibly their own environment.
BOLLING: So what happens here when you -- you have ICE officers who will go into a city like, I don't know, Washington, New York, Los Angeles, Philadelphia, San Francisco, San Diego -- these are all sanctuary cities.
So the agents will go in and will get no assistance from local authorities, police officers or people who work for the city?
TORRES: Well, there are varying degrees of sanctuary cities. In some cities, based on my experience, we've worked with police chiefs who've said, Look, we'll share information with you on violent felons, who are people who make -- pose an imminent threat to the community. But in other cities, it's flat out, We won't share any information, nor will we honor any request from Immigration and Customs Enforcement to hold the person so that they can be transferred to ICE custody.
BOLLING: And then Mr. Sanchez kind of fell under that, right? So he was -- he was deported five prior times. Had ICE been notified that the city of San Francisco was going to let him go free, what would have happened?
TORRES: If ICE had been notified and said, At this -- on this date and this time, we're going to let him go, ICE could have been standing by, waiting to pick him up to transfer him into custody and place him into, again, another deportation hearing in front of a judge. And at that point, the judge would make a decision whether he could stay or go. And based on his past track record, he likely would have been deported again.
BOLLING: And deported again -- talk to us about that -- instead of being held. Why are these criminals not being held in prison?
TORRES: There's two types of things that we're dealing with immigration law. There's civil and then there's criminal law. For people that have been deported previously, they can be charged under federal criminal law with a reentry after deportation. It's a felony up to five years in prison.
For those that have not been deported in the past, they'll go into what's called the civil realm, civil law, and basically just placed in front of an immigration judge, where they're held until they can be sent back to their country.
BOLLING: Now, this guy had seven prior felony convictions, though.
TORRES: And that's really what's very frustrating with this case.
We're not talking about someone who is -- has no status here in the United States that is trying to make a better life for themselves. You know, we're not talking about a day laborer or maybe a domestic servant. We're talking about a career criminal who is a recidivist and that is likely to cause harm to the community. And these are the types of people that local law enforcement should be working with the federal authorities to work get off the streets.
BOLLING: Now, but ICE has also let go convicted criminals, as well.
I think the numbers that we were -- we pulled up, in 2014, some 30,500 convicted aliens in 2014 were released -- 175 homicides, 373 sexual assaults, 186 kidnappings.
It's just -- I'm sure there are people sitting there right now going, What are we doing? These people are committing violent crimes, and we're letting them go?
TORRES: And if you talk to the average ICE agent on the street, as I have over the past year or so, they are incredibly frustrated. They're being asked to exercise their discretion and not take certain people into custody until they rise to a certain level of crime.
And unfortunately, in some cases, what happens is someone has to be victimized first. Someone actually has to be raped, robbed, murdered before they'll become a priority. And so you have a number of incredibly frustrated agents out on the streets.
BOLLING: I got to tell you, you have a number of incredibly frustrated Americans, too, watching right now, and frankly, scared Americans. Thank you very much, John. Appreciate your time.
Joining me now with reaction are immigration attorney Francisco Hernandez and FOX News contributor Katie Pavlich.
Francisco, you heard Mr. Torres right there tell us the ICE agents are frustrated. We're letting go, we're releasing hardened criminals, murder, rape...
FRANCISCO HERNANDEZ, IMMIGRATION ATTORNEY: No. No.
BOLLING: ... sexual assault...
HERNANDEZ: No.
BOLLING: ... kidnapping...
HERNANDEZ: No!
BOLLING: What do you mean no? You heard him.
HERNANDEZ: No! No! And if I may just make this point very, very clear. Look, ICE knew he was there. Second, he should have been federally prosecuted five felonies ago. ICE allowed him, as what they call comity -- another word for courtesy -- to be transferred from LA to San Francisco.
We're talking about federal law. They don't have to do anything, the cities or the states...
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BOLLING: This is a sanctuary city!
HERNANDEZ: No, no!
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BOLLING: The sanctuary city has decided to ignore federal law...
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HERNANDEZ: But wait a minute. But me tell you. Look, he had an immigration hold in San Francisco. If they didn't honor the hold, you're right, they made a mistake. But that has nothing to do with sanctuary city. Federal law, they could have picked him up and taken him to federal prosecution at any point. They don't have to wait for the city to act.
Second, anytime anybody is processed in or out of the jail, they run the fingerprints, which go through the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security first.
Both sides are pointing a finger at each other. And you're right, the ones that are left being frustrated and not knowing what to do are the foot soldiers, the ICE agents who are out there busting their butt, trying to chase -- we're having them chase misdemeanor theft case...
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KATIE PAVLICH, FOX CONTRIBUTOR: You know what they're dealing with?
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PAVLICH: You know what they're dealing with? They're down on the border baby-sitting because we don't have a secure border so there's no children and border patrol agents are now doing that. ICE is now being told not to go after...
HERNANDEZ: Well, that's a different department.
PAVLICH: ... not to go after these hardened criminals. They work together. The point is that there is a young woman who was shot dead by an illegal immigrant who was deported five times, had seven felony records.
And this is not an isolated incident, Eric. This is a situation that happens over and over again. You do a Google search of illegal alien kills, and you'll find a ton of stories with this exact situation happening.
There was a report from ICE that showed between 2010 and 2014, 121 criminal aliens were released onto the streets. And after they were released by ICE, after committing violent crimes, they were then charged with murder.
So this is not something that is isolated...
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PAVLICH: It's a huge problem, and the government has failed on both the federal and the local level to enforce the law to keep people safe!
HERNANDEZ: And the foot soldiers, the ICE agents, do want to go after these more serious criminals. But because everybody wants 11 million people deported at once, they're out to...
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HERNANDEZ: Sanctuary city has nothing to do with it.
BOLLING: ... conflating two issues. We know for a fact...
HERNANDEZ: No, I'm not!
BOLLING: ... that these cities, these 31 American cities...
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BOLLING: These 32 American cities have told their police departments and anyone that -- whoever else works for the city that they cannot communicate with ICE.
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HERNANDEZ: They don't need the cooperation from the city.
BOLLING: ... very important that communications between ICE...
HERNANDEZ: They don't need it.
BOLLING: ... and these cities happens. Hold on. Let's take a listen to this criminal who admitted shooting the young lady. Listen.
HERNANDEZ: Nobody is going...
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) pulled out my gun when the -- when the (INAUDIBLE) my leg (ph) and (INAUDIBLE) shoot her over (ph) there (ph) or something like that.
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BOLLING: Katie, this guy should have been in jail.
PAVLICH: Well, and he was in jail...
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PAVLICH: ... and he was deported multiple times. And he says and admits that he specifically went to a sanctuary city because he knew that he would not be again deported. And this is the problem here.
HERNANDEZ: I didn't hear that.
BOLLING: The Obama -- let me finish my sentence, sir, if you would, for two seconds, and not interrupt me rudely.
If the Obama administration really cared, they would talk to these sanctuary cities and say, Look, we need you to allow our federal immigration agents in there to get guys like this off of your streets.
But the bottom line is that the Barack Obama ICE agency, which he is controlling through his executive order on illegal immigration -- he has said to the ICE agents, Don't go into these cities, even though you have the authority to get these bad guys off the street.
And now only that, but they've released tens of thousands of violent criminal aliens onto the streets who have convictions of murder and rape.
They're doing nothing to keep the American people safe from violent illegal aliens that we should be deporting and keeping out of our country through a stronger border security plan!
HERNANDEZ: OK, well, guys, why did ICE allow him to be transferred to San Francisco if they knew that they weren't going to cooperate? Guys, they could have deported him. They could have prosecuted him in the federal system...
PAVLICH: They deported him five times!
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HERNANDEZ: Now you're interrupting me.
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HERNANDEZ: If you let me finish my sentence and not interrupt me rudely -- let him get prosecuted federally, where it starts at five years to life, not up to five years. Guys, the guy slipped through the federal system, not through the cities. And sanctuary cities -- that term doesn't even exist.
BOLLING: Francisco, he's one...
HERNANDEZ: It has nothing to do with this.
BOLLING: He's one that may have slipped through the system. I just reported 30,000 people in 2014 alone...
HERNANDEZ: All right, fair enough.
BOLLING: ... were let go!
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BOLLING: When's the next murder that we're going to be talking about...
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BOLLING: Here's why this matters, guys. Here's why this matters.
HERNANDEZ: Come on.
BOLLING: Please roll the tape. Please roll the next tape.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That's the only solace I've got. That's it.
It's that we were so close.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She was just a young woman in -- starting to be in her prime. Had so much to live for. And to die so senselessly is terrible.
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BOLLING: There are the parents, Francisco.
HERNANDEZ: It's awful!
BOLLING: That's Kathryn Steinle's parents.
HERNANDEZ: It's awful. It's awful. And we want to blame San Francisco and President Obama? Blame the murderer.
PAVLICH: Yes, listen...
HERNANDEZ: And he should have been in federal prison...
PAVLICH: This is -- this is...
HERNANDEZ: ... five years ago.
PAVLICH: People like this man, who I will not name, were allowed to stay here on purpose. This is not like he slipped through the cracks. He didn't slip through the cracks. These 50,000 criminal aliens that the administration has released...
HERNANDEZ: Who gave him permission?
PAVLICH: ... onto the streets did not -- they didn't slip through the cracks. They were allowed to walk...
HERNANDEZ: Well, you say "allowed'...
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PAVLICH: This is a systematic...
HERNANDEZ: Somebody gave him permission.
PAVLICH: This is a systematic problem that has to be fixed because American lives are at stake here!
BOLLING: All right, I have to leave it right there.
HERNANDEZ: Well, now we're talking about everything else...
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BOLLING: I have to get out of here. I got a commercial break coming up, a hard break. Thank you, guys, very much.
Ann Coulter has been warning about the illegal immigration crisis right here in America. She's going to react to all this disturbing news next.
Plus...
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RICK PERRY, R-TEXAS, FMR. GOV., PRES. CANDIDATE: The fact is, I've said very clearly that Donald Trump does not represent the Republican Party. I was offended by his remarks.
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BOLLING: Governor Rick Perry takes on Donald Trump over his comments about Mexican immigrants. We'll have Mr. Trump's response.
That and more as "Hannity" continues.
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BOLLING: Welcome back to "Hannity." For more reaction on the illegal immigrant who had been deported five times in the past and killed a woman in San Francisco last week, we turn to someone who's been warning us about the illegal immigration crisis here in this country. Joining me now is the author of "Adios America: The Left's Plan to Turn Our Country Into a Third World Hellhole," Ann Coulter.
Ann, boy, your timing on the book, look what happens. This is big stuff, isn't it?
ANN COULTER, AUTHOR, "ADIOS AMERICA": Yes. I mean, it could have been any weekend. I notice we've all been warned all week, Watch out for ISIS, watch out for ISIS this weekend. And no, instead, Americans were killed by immigrants.
This wasn't the only illegal immigrant, and it doesn't have to be limited to illegal immigrants. The government is allowing people who have no right to be here into our country, whether legally or illegally. There was also an illegal immigrant who hammered his wife to death in Texas over the weekend. You know, that was an illegal alien wife who was killed.
So it isn't just American citizens who aren't being protected, but these Republicans, and of course, Democrats who claim to speak for, oh, the poor, the downtrodden, the working class -- no, they're speaking for big business who want their cheap labor and they'll externalize their costs, both in terms of taxes and in terms of the crime rate.
What's striking about the San Francisco story is that it happened in a place liberals might go. Usually, it's out in the suburbs, where Loupe the maid lives, and the rich never have to be faced with it. I mean, you hear Republicans saying, Well -- and Democrats -- Well, of course, no one wants felons in this country. Well, what are they doing to stop it?
Chris Christie was on FOX News this weekend saying -- you know, telling us once again that fences just don't work, the human spirit will overcome them. It's like saying buckets don't work! Of course fences work. Americans aren't stupid. Why doesn't Chris Christie say that to Israel or China? Because their fences work just fine. And you know, why don't we just try a fence?
BOLLING: You point out that people who live behind gated communities are the ones telling us fences don't work. In your book, you say something very provocative, I think. You say it might be worth paying more for your yard work. What do you mean?
COULTER: Right. Well, I think that was right as I described an illegal alien who raped a young girl at her parents' home when he had come to do -- he was the landscaper. So he had come to do the work, and broke in and raped this young girl. He was living not particularly in the shadows.
And I mean, the main point of that story was how the media are always hiding that these are immigrants, sometimes illegal, sometimes not illegal, who are committing a lot of these heinous crimes. It's always, you know, North Carolina man indicted on child rape.
So frankly, we don't know after this weekend exactly how many Americans were killed by immigrants in drunk driving accidents, in heinous murders like this one in San Francisco. It'll take a few weeks, maybe a year to wait for the court transcripts for the media to even tell us the truth.
The government won't tell us the truth. The media won't tell us the truth. But the people in America know what the truth is.
Unfortunately, the Chamber of Commerce and The was Journal won't, and most of these Republicans are busy sucking up to the rich and don't care about the workers.
You know, I'm so sick of this nonsense about Donald Trump being the racist here. He's the one who was speaking for working class Americans, for African-Americans. How about -- have you seen the black teenaged unemployment rate? Why shouldn't they be getting those jobs?
It's Donald Trump who is speaking up for them. And boy, don't think Republican voters aren't keeping a list of who's naughty and nice on denouncing or praising Donald Trump right now!
BOLLING: Well, since you brought that up, let's take a listen to a couple who denounced him. Listen.
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RICK PERRY (R-TX), FMR. GOV., PRES. CANDIDATE: The fact is, I've said very clearly that Donald Trump does not represent the Republican Party. I was offended by his remarks.
To paint with that broad a brush that Donald Trump did is -- I mean, he's going to have to defend those remarks. I never will. And I will stand up and say that those are offensive, which they were.
JEB BUSH, R-FLA., FORMER GOV., PRES. CANDIDATE: I don't think he represents the Republican Party, and his views are way out of the mainstream of what Republicans think. To make these extraordinarily ugly kind of comments is not reflective of the Republican Party. He's doing this to inflame and to incite and to give -- to draw attention, which is -- seems to be his organizing principle of his campaign.
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BOLLING: All right, Ann, Jeb Bush called Trump's comments "extraordinarily ugly" comments. I don't know. It seems to be resonating.
The one moving up the polls is Donald Trump.
COULTER: Yes, he sure is! And now I have a new soft spot in my heart for Ted Cruz. We always knew he was smart. He's been bad on legal immigration in the past. He wanted to triple what even Rubio wanted. But he seems to have burned that bridge, so I think he's going to be pulling ahead in people's estimation.
But you know, Jeb Bush -- wait a second. He said illegal immigration was an act of love. Is he saying every act of immigration was an act of love? Was this guy who murdered that beautiful woman in San Francisco -- was that an act of love, Jeb?
And I believe the first one you played was Rick Perry, who is the pioneer of the arguments that fences don't work. Buckets and wheels don't work. It's the craziest argument I've ever heard! Have they heard of East Germany and the Soviet Union? They wanted to keep people in. We want to keep people out. Fences work just fine!
BOLLING: Yes, Governor Perry a year ago sat down -- and I remember this distinctly. He was in an interview, and he said, yes, we have a lot of illegals coming across our border in Texas. He said, I'm not worried about the children, I'm worried about the murderers and the rapists coming across, almost the exact same thing that Donald Trump said a couple of weeks ago, or 10 days ago, but now he seems to have changed his tune.
Where is the GOP on this, Ann? Where is the GOP's stance on immigration? Is it trifurcated?
COULTER: Mostly, it's really awful. That's why it's going to be very easy for someone like a Ted Cruz or maybe Scott Walker. As I describe in my book, Romney does have a 20-year history of being very good on immigration. I was sorry to see that he, too, condemned Trump's remarks because this is a big opening.
It's the same opening Ronald Reagan had when the Republican Party was officially for the Equal Rights Amendment. Much of the Republican Party was for gun control. Much of the Republican Party was for abortion. They are standing with the elites and the Wall Street crowd.
You get one Republican to come along and speak straight about what the people want to hear, and the media is always surprised. Oh, he's doing so well. There's a reason Trump is doing well.
And I mean, at this point, we just want a Republican who can do math and figure out unless immigrants are voting 51 percent for Republicans, you're losing Republicans and post-1970 immigrants, legal immigrants, are voting 8 to 2 for the Democrats. So this is a suicidal strategy. And I think some of the smarter Republicans will wake up and clean up in the primaries.
BOLLING: And Mr. Trump, he didn't back down. He doubled down a couple of times over the weekend. Yesterday, he tweeted about Governor Jeb Bush, saying, quote -- this is his tweet -- "Jeb Bush will never secure our border or negotiate great trade deals for American workers. Jeb doesn't see and can't solve problems."
And then one more. He tweeted about Governor Perry, "Rick Perry failed at the border. Now he is critical of me. He needs a new pair of glasses to see the crimes committed by illegal immigrants."
And Ann, I point out, a year ago, he did see those crimes.
COULTER: Yes. Yes. Of course. Yes, it's interesting. A lot of these Republicans talk tough when they need our vote, like Marco Rubio did running against amnesty, but then got to Washington and spent three years pushing amnesty.
The Republican Party -- their base are working-class white males. And their wives. That's when Republican clean up. That's when the two landslide presidential elections Republicans have won in the last century, Nixon and Reagan -- that was appealing directly to that based, and that is exactly what Donald Trump is doing. He's enormously popular with the working class. He's quite popular with black people who want those jobs.
BOLLING: Yes, you know where he's not popular? He's not popular in Washington, D.C., right now.
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BOLLING: And we're going to have to leave it right there. Thank you for joining us tonight.
Coming up -- it was an extremely violent holiday weekend in Chicago. According to police, there were seven murders, 48 people were shot. Sheriff David Clarke is here with his reaction.
And later -- Hillary Clinton is in hot water for the way she treated the press this weekend. During a 4th of July parade in New Hampshire, she held reporters back with ropes! Did her team go too far this time? Stay with us.
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BOLLING: Welcome back to "Hannity." The city of Chicago was rocked over the holiday weekend by an outbreak of violence. According to the Chicago Police Department, seven people were murdered and a total of 48 people were shot just between 6:00 PM Friday and 12:00 AM Sunday night.
It's been reported by the Chicago Tribune that among those killed was a 7- year-old boy who was shot while watching fireworks.
Joining me with reaction is Milwaukee County sheriff David Clarke, and from the Manhattan Institute, Heather Mac Donald.
Sheriff Clarke, my hometown, Chicago, being renamed Chiraq. What the heck is happening there?
DAVID CLARKE, MILWAUKEE COUNTY SHERIFF: Yes, 80 miles up the street from Milwaukee. It sounds like the killed and injured toll that we hear after a blast out of Ramadi or Fallujah. We wouldn't expect this coming out of a great American city like Chicago, Baltimore, New York, Milwaukee.
But this has become the norm.
And it's these failed social engineering experiments that are masquerading themselves as criminal justice imprison (ph) reform, things like alternatives to incarceration, community corrections, deferred prosecutions, second chance, where they create a revolving door, Eric, where the police go out, they get the bad guys off the street, they're put into the criminal justice system, and then the criminal justice system has a revolving door where they split them back out with low bail, like I said, deferred prosecutions back into these struggling communities to claim more victims.
And often -- and this is why I think these experiments are cruel and discriminatory -- they're killing good, law-abiding black people.
BOLLING: Heather, you know, I remember last year, we thought the incidences -- shooting incidents in Chicago were elevated. Take a look at this full screen we have right here. In 2015, 1,045 shooting incidences from January until June 28th. Last year, only 866. Compared -- we're up almost 22 or 23 percent versus a very violent year last year.
HEATHER MAC DONALD, MANHATTAN INSTITUTE: Well, you know, what's been happening, Eric, is this specious movement called Black Lives Matter, whose thesis is basically that the police are the biggest threat facing young black males today. There's been non-stop demonization of law enforcement, from the highest reaches of government. I include the president in that.
And police are second-guessing themselves in interacting in high-crime neighborhoods because they're worried about getting caught on a cellphone using force against somebody who is resisting arrest. The cellphone video is not going to capture the entire interaction. And police are backing off.
And as Sheriff Clarke says, it's the law abiding residents of these communities that most need the police to protect them from the epidemic of kids being raised by -- without fathers that is the real root cause of the violence we see in the black community. The "black lives matter" movement was a fraud. Nobody is going to be out there protesting the death of the seven-year-old Amari Brown. Nobody protested when a six-year-old Marcus Johnson was killed in St. Louis in March. Everybody was converging on Ferguson, Missouri. Black lives only matter, it seems, when the police shoot somebody in good faith, not when it's a thug.
ERIC BOLLING, FOX NEWS CORRESPONDENT: Sheriff Clarke, would you agree? A lot of the black community is saying we need to spend more money in Chicago. But it doesn't matter how much main you spend in Chicago, if the parents aren't providing guidance for these kids, you're going to have an elevated crime rate no matter where you are, Chicago or elsewhere?
SHERIFF DAVID CLARKE, MILWAUKEE COUNTY, WISCONSIN: Right. There's a lot of self-inflicted pathologies and maladies going on in these American ghettos, as Heather indicated, things like father-absent homes. But then there are things like failure to embrace education, ineffective parenting, which you just made mention of. And you mix that together with this failed social engineering experiment of criminal justice and prison reform where they're trying to eliminate the use of jails and prisons as an effective crime control tool, and they are, and you have this volatile mix, then you have these weekends.
But it's not just weekends anymore. We saw what happened in Baltimore over Memorial Day. But like I said, here in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, my hometown, 11 separate shootings, seven people dead, including a 14-year-old boy. And as Heather indicated, where is the outrage? Where is the uproar?
It's only when the police have to use deadly force. And most of the time, an overwhelming amount of the time, it is a justifiable use of force. But that's what the left goes after.
BOLLING: I'll tell you what else, sheriff. I'm going to play some tape here. But do you know what else is another factor? Resisting arrest.
For some reason, now it's becoming the thing to do to resist arrest. Take a look at what happened in New York. I believe it was over the weekend.
Take a look.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You can check my I.D. You got my I.D.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Exactly. Come on, man. Why you going to do that to me?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No. No.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You're not doing that to me. No. Get the -- out of here. No. No. No. No. Don't touch me.
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BOLLING: OK, so that was released over the weekend. The gentleman in the red shirt had an illegal knife. The cop said, you know what, I want that I.D. I want that knife. He resisted arrest and there was a fist fight. Thank God there was no shots fired. But let me tell you, Sheriff Clarke, quickly, and then Heather, I don't have a lot of time. Weigh in on the new wave of resisting arrest?
CLARKE: No respect for authority and that emanates out of the homes.
I've said before if we want to end these deadly encounters or reduce them, then when a law enforcement gives a lawful command, do it.
BOLLING: Heather?
MAC DONALD: Well, Sheriff Clarke is right. It emanates from the homes, but it also emanates from our politicians who are saying the lie that the police are racist. And that is hurting police officers in the street who are encountering more resistance from people who have been fed the lie that the police are out to get them. That is not the case.
BAIER: We'll leave it there. Thank you very much, both of you.
Coming up, Hillary Clinton's team kept a group of reporters roped off this weekend literally. The bizarre move is raising a lot of eyebrows.
That's next.
And later, Greek voters widely rejected their nation's latest bailout plan. What does this mean for the country's debt crisis? And could this happen right here in America? Stay with us.
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BOLLING: Welcome back to HANNITY. The list of Hillary's campaign mishaps got even longer this weekend. While marching in a Fourth of July parade on Gorham, New Hampshire, on Saturday, Clinton staffers herded the press behind a moving rope to keep them away from the presidential candidate. Joining me now with reaction Republican strategist Mercedes Schlapp and former Hillary Clinton campaign adviser and FOX News contributor Jehmu Greene. I'll start with you, Jehmu. What the heck, the rope, the moving, rope, why?
JEHMU GREENE, FORMER CAMPAIGN ADVISER TO HILLARY CLINTON: Why?
BOLLING: Yes, why?
GREENE: Actually because of what our esteemed colleague, Brit Hume, said this morning. He called it a campaign-o-pede, that this is what happens when you've got a presidential candidate where the media is obsessed. They think that her responsibility in this campaign is to them and not the voters. They are obsessed, they are paparazzi style after her.
And this was Brit Hume saying this is the environment that the press used to create and the candidates couldn't even connect with people they were trying to talk to.
MERCEDES SCHLAPP, REPUBLICAN STRATEGIST: Wow.
BOLLING: You know what I think this is. I think this is Ms. Clinton not wanting to answer press questions. If they have a camera, if they yell out a question and she clearly can hear it and decides not to answer it, it's easier just to keep them away.
SCHLAPP: Of course the press is obsessed. They want answers. This is a candidate who has failed to answer question after question regarding all these controversies from the personal e-mail accounts to her Clinton Foundation. So give me a break. When I've been a press campaign operative, we know this is a bad campaign management call. The optics looks bad. The mere fact that Hillary Clinton is treating the press like they're a bunch of five-year-olds -- she's not at the White House in the east room. She's at a Fourth of July parade. I mean, I just think that, really, it was a poor reflection on the campaign.
BOLLING: Mercedes, can I be honest with you, though. She treats the press like they're five-year-olds because they act like they're five-year- olds. Remember when she was about to announce. They were chasing her country all around the country. And then they stopped and there was that video of like 30 of those press people falling over themselves to try to get just a glimpse of the future candidate and she hadn't even announced yet.
Let's talk about this, Jehmu. Hillary Clinton is going to sit down for the first time as a candidate with CNN. It turns out the reporter that she's going to sit down with just attended a wedding of one of her aides.
GREENE: And? Oh, my gosh, there are people in Washington, D.C., that sometimes they know someone who is getting married and they're connected to a campaign. Who cares? Eric, you attend weddings. I attend weddings.
BOLLING: The American people should care.
GREENE: No, they don't. That's the thing. They don't care about any of this stuff that we're talking about.
BOLLING: Here's the problem, if you're going to sit down with a reporter who just went to one of your aide's weddings you're not going to get the tough questions. Mercedes, is she going to get the tough CNN questions?
SCHLAPP: Eric, here's the deal. Regardless of whether she gets a tough question or not, here is what we know about Hillary Clinton. Every time she does one of these interviews she makes a huge mistake. It's the "we are dead broke" mistake. This is where the campaign has kept her away from the press primarily because they fear these awkward moments, these statements that she makes that always make news. And quite frankly, that's why the campaign is paranoid. That's why she's only --
GREENE: Paranoid? She's doing it her way.
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GREENE: She's putting voters first and the media second. And I think--
BOLLING: Come on, Jehmu.
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GREENE: They are obsessed.
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GREENE: Let this woman talk to the voters in these early states. For
16 months she will answer questions.
SCHLAPP: You get to project your message. This is why you have GOP candidates, like Jeb Bush has done over 39 interviews. Carly Fiorina has answered 322 questions in just one week. We have our GOP candidates who are out there willing to answer the tough questions. Hillary Clinton --
GREENE: Because they have no record.
SCHLAPP: No, that's not true. She prefers to be behind the curtain.
Because why? Because the more she goes out there, the more people realize, can we trust her? And the answer to that is no. And 57 percent of Americans do not trust Hillary Clinton.
BOLLING: Jehmu, let me ask you something, if you were running in this campaign, wouldn't you at least have her answer a few of the reports question? Ed Henry had to yell a question from one of these roped off areas and she fumbled that one too. What is she afraid of? She can only shake a hand or sit down at a table stacked with donors and aides? It's all smoke and mirrors.
GREENE: I guarantee you, Hillary Clinton is not afraid of Ed Henry.
Hillary Clinton --
BOLLING: Why won't she answer a question, then?
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GREENE: In these early months she is prioritizing voters in New Hampshire, in Iowa, in South Carolina. She will get to all of the questions. She is already on the record answering way more questions than anyone in the lineup of this primary.
BOLLING: Jehmu, she has said she is going to make herself a lot more available to the press going forward. Why doesn't she sit down --
GREENE: Why didn't she do it on your timetable? Because she's the candidate, and guess what. She can do it however she wants to.
BOLLING: Mercedes, Jehmu is right. She doesn't have to do this because, for some reason, she's still winning.
SCHLAPP: It's running like a dictator. It's control.
GREENE: A dictator? She has answered questions for 30 years.
SCHLAPP: That press conference at the United Nations was a disaster.
GREENE: Take a chill pill.
SCHLAPP: That was one disastrous interview after another.
BOLLING: We'll leave it there on that note.
Coming up, tensions remain high in Greece after the country voted against the bailout plan this weekend. How will the Greek debt crisis
impact us here at home? That's next.
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BOLLING: Welcome back to HANNITY. The Greek crisis continues over the weekend. Greek voters widely rejected the nation's latest bailout plan. And just this morning Greece's finance minister abruptly resigned.
So how does Greece stop the bleeding and could Europe's latest financial disaster affect the U.S. economy?
Joining us now with reaction is equity research analyst with Rafferty Capital Market Dick Bove. Dick, when I heard this is going on and I was going to sit in for Sean tonight, I said get Bove on the line. He's the man to talk to about this. Where do you stand on Greece? Personally I think they need to exit the euro, but that's some tough medicine.
DICK BOVE, RAFFERTY CAPITAL MARKETS, LLC: I think the problem is that they owe $280 billion supposedly to Europe, which means Europe can't let go of Greece. If they let go of Greece they won't get any money back, right?
On the other side, if Greece doesn't get money from somewhere, particularly in its banking system, there is going to be a lot of misery for the average person living in Greece, I mean, real tragic stuff. So they can't let go of Europe.
So the two sides have ultimately got to come together. And the way they'll come together as was the case when the Latin American countries were in a similar situation is there will be a major hair cut on the debt.
There will be an extension of when the payments are made. The interest rate will be lower, and we'll get two sides together and we'll move ahead.
BOLLING: Dick, so we're coming up on 11:00 tonight. It's morning in Greece right now, morning in many parts of Europe. And they have a decision that they have to make. The European Union has to decide what to do with Greece. Now if I'm Germany, France, the other more prosperous countries in the union, I have to say, I've got Greece over here. It's my, I don't know, it's my nephew, who is drunk and out of work. And he refuses to get a job and stop drinking but wants more money. At some point I've got to say enough is enough, son. You got to go find your money somewhere else.
BOVE: There's no doubt about the fact that why should a German worker go to work, work hard to come up with money to pay for a Greek pensioner, right? It doesn't make sense and it's not fair.
But the problem is that when somebody owes you $280 billion they have a big hold on you. And you've got to get some of that money back somehow, and you won't get it back if you simply walk away. That just won't happen.
So you've got to cut some sort of deal in order to get some of that money back. And I think that's what was recognized in the Latin American situation, and that is what will be recognized here.
BOLLING: Eventually Greece ran out of Germany's money I guess is one way of putting it.
OK, let's talk about what this means to everyone watching right now.
So as over the last five years there's been Greek debt crisis after Greek debt crisis and the stock market will go up 300 points, down 300 points. I noticed today, very little movement in the stock market. Are U.S.
investors, they're just had it with Greece, maybe they're going to say, OK, figure it out, we'll start trading when you guys figure it out?
BOVE: No. They figured out that it's not going to mean too much for the United States. In other words, the United States banks don't have anything directly invested in Greece. You know, Goldman Sachs has raised some money for Greece. Lazard has been an advisor to Greece. But, you know, the vast majority --
BOLLING: So why do we care what happens to Greece? Why do we care if they stay in the euro or out of the euro? What does it matter if we don't have exposure to it? Why does my cousin call me up and say what's going to happen with Greece tomorrow, how is my portfolio? I would say I don't know and frankly it shouldn't matter.
BOVE: Well, I think your answer is exactly correct. I have no idea why we care, because basically there are fewer people in Greece than there are in New York metropolitan area, number one. Number two, the economy of Greece is not that big and it's not that strong enough to sway anything one way or another. And the fact that the stock market can keeping swinging to and fro is simply because of uncertainty. People don't know what's going to happen. And when they don't know what's going to happen they basically take risk off the table to use the cliche.
But you're exactly right, Eric. I mean, basically, we shouldn't care because it does not affect the United States. The only way it affects us is that if the dollar gets so strong the Federal Reserve will not be able to raise interest rates and it will keep interest rates low in the United States for a much longer period than people expect. But it has no direct impact on the United States.
BOLLING: All right, we're going to leave it right there. Just think of this. So you have the countries, Spain, Portugal. They are looking and saying, hey, if you can do it to Greece, maybe we can get that deal as well. Dick Bove, appreciate your time.
Coming up, more HANNITY right after the break. Stay with us.
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BOLLING: And that's all the time we have left this evening. Thank you for being with us. Sean will be back tomorrow. Have a great evening, everybody.
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