This is a rush transcript from "The Five," January 21, 2015. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.
DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Dana Perino along with Kimberly Guilfoyle, Bob Beckel, Eric Bolling and Greg Gutfeld. It's 5o'clock in New York City and this is "The Five."
President Obama laid out a wide ranging agenda during his sixth State of the Union Address last night. In remarks, some say may further strain relations between him and a GOP control Congress. The President proposed initiative on a variety of issues and he holds dear, when CNN and his administration now have various little chance of becoming legislation.
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BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: My plan would make quality child care more available and more affordable for every middle class and low income family with young children in America. I'll be taking new action to help states adopt pay, leave laws on their own. I'm sending this Congress a bold new plan to lower the cost of community college --
OBAMA: To zero. Let's have a bipartisan infrastructure plan. I'm launching a new precision medicine initiative to bring us closer to curing diseases like cancer and diabetes. I intend to protect a free open internet --
OBAMA: Extended its reach, to every classroom, and every community.
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PERINO: The President also focused on a populous message that resonated so well with voters in 2012, a fair share economy.
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OBAMA: We believed that sensible regulations could prevent another crisis, shield families from ruin, and encourage fair competition. And to make sure everyone gets a fair shot. Everyone does their fair share to give working families a fair shot. Those aren't just free, but also fair. We don't mind paying our fair share of taxes, we can achieve that together.
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PERINO: All we know what word probably tested well before the State of the Union that would be fair, F-A-I-R. They are going to ask you something, so on Friday night, the White House released a plan that would increase taxation of earnings on all college savings plans. OK. The five -- they're called 529 plans. So if you save for college, you would actually be penalized. But actually then two days later, he says that they're going provided free community college for all even he didn't say for it.
ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: So he -- he outlined a bunch of things, again, he pointed out all the things he wanted to do, including curing cancer. OK, well done.
PERINO: I'm for that.
BOLLING: President Obama -- and we're all for everything --
GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: I'm against it.
BOLLING: There's only one problem, he failed to mention that he didn't -- there's no way we can pay for the 80 percent of the stuff. He wanted to raise tax by $320 billion. He's already tacked on $7.5 trillion of debt under his watch alone and it's -- it's literally slated to be when he leaves office, he's gonna leave the next president with as much debt than the whole 41 through 43 incurred in America and 44, doubled it. So knows who take all that money, he's double the America's debt. So, all these plans are great ideas, none of them are gonna get through it, they all cost too much. But again, what he did, we talked about yesterday, what he was gonna get, exactly what we thought he was gonna do. Lay out a lot of politics and not much policy that's gonna end up making its way to legislation.
PERINO: Our friend and a former colleague Governor Huckabee had a great line. Kimberly, he said there's one sure thing or two sure things about the Obama administration debt and taxes -- so interesting cute phrase.
KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: Yes.
PERINO: So the lead-up to the State of the Union considered some great PR, right? You got all its attention for how smart it was, and it lead up to -- and I think that the coverage of -- the lead up, actually was better than the coverage of the speeches so, probably that was because the president then leaves on a trip to India that have been long planned but he needs to go to. I'm wondering in all of the things that he listed, knowing that most of people that are new to Congress were sent there to either slow, stop or reverse some of Obama's policies.
PERINO: Do they think the measure of success is accomplishing nothing significant in the last two years of this Congress?
GUILFOYLE: Well he sounded certainly optimistic and proud of himself and taking credit for the economy. This is what he does best, Santa Claus. Let me pass it around. Let me hand out more entitlements. Let me give you -- you know, credits for college, whatever it takes to make people more dependent on government. He wants to take the money from your pocket and put it into a blotted government and bureaucracy, because he feels, he knows best how to hand it out and redistribute it. So he -- believe it or not philosophy and that ideology, then you're gonna say last night was a tremendous success, because you see the country what going in a completely different direction. But if you're for free enterprise and free markets and you believe in a capitalist society and growing things from the ground up, with the money that the people at the top are making, spreading it out for more economic opportunity, then you're gonna look for reform. And hopefully that's what the newbie's coming in are going to do.
PERINO: Well Greg, the other day you said that you anticipated or predicted there will be 62 applause lines. There were actually 76. You weren't too far off.
GTFELD: No, I wasn't.
PERINO: Were you clapping in your apartment as you are watching?
GUTFELD: Yes, I was clapping, but for different reasons.
GUTFELD: Anyway, good speech I though actually. I thought it was one of his better -- ones, even though it was still awful. That wasn't just pie in the sky that was Marie Callender's. I mean, he promised everything that wasn't gonna happen. But the thing that drives me crazy about him is this thing that he does, when he relies heavily on this manufactured Ernest voice. You know what I'm talking about, it's like he's mimicking the straining engine of a plane gaining altitude, whenever he's trying to make a point. He's like a set -- he's got sentimental software and his emotional but of his, and it turns on and it sounds so damn, fake. I mean, it was phony -- phony, phony, phony. The other thing too is -- all of his proposals are based on an ISIS of straw men. If you disagree with President Obama, you hate children, you hate women, you love cancer, you hate education, you're against fairness -- this is the problem, this is what causes the polarization. That somehow, if you're not with him, you're against all good things, when in fact, Republicans and Democrats are both for good things, they just have a different way of getting there.
PERINO: The approach.
GUTFELD: Republicans believe that they have a superior approach than he does. But when he says -- when he says, you are not for my approach. He is saying that you are innocence evil and then he decries polarization. He says, why can't we all be together after he says, you know you hate children.
PERINO: -- Bob, in the.
GUTFELD: Make sense?
PERINO: Yeah, it does. In the lead up, Bob to the -- say, the midterm elections we talked about, what could possibly happen in a divided Congress. And then could things can happen could important legislation, a lot of people point to 1996 when Bill Clinton and Newt Gingrich and the rest of the Republicans worked together and they signed welfare reform. And we all thought that -- that would be a good possibility for this president and this new Congress. But, after last night, do you think that's still possible?
BOB BECKEL, CO-HOST: Well I think, look, you got to look at these two ways. One is -- what was it a political speech or was it a policy speech? It was a political speech obviously. Was it a sense at 2016, yes, it was. Was it a way to protect his own legacy in terms of Obamacare and other things he doesn't want to see touched? Yes, it was. He leaves some openings on where there could be some negotiated relief in a taxpayer? I think there was. I think it was a very good speech. Very well -- I mean, written very well. I was a little surprised how political it was, to be honestly. And I think that it was the most important thing of all was, how times change. That audience was overwhelmingly Republican, and you could tell from the applause meter that this was a president of one party addressing an overwhelmingly Republican Party.
PERINO: Because it didn't have to be that way. We know that was a choice.
BECKEL: Well, maybe, maybe.
BOLLING: He disarmed the Republicans fairly quickly with that the one- liner. You know that ended one line, which I think we're gonna talk to later -- your favorite moment of the topic.
PERINO: No, my least favorite.
BOLLING: Alright --
PERINO: Can I move on to your next favorite topic?
BOLLING: The economy?
PERINO: Alright, alright, because I have something to read here. Because President Obama issued a number of veto threats in last night State of the Union. But one caught the attention of members of both parties.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) OBAMA: Our diplomacy is at work with respect to Iran. There are no guaranties that negotiations will succeed. And I keep all options on the table to prevent a nuclear Iran. But new sanctions passed by this Congress, at this moment in time, will all but guarantee that diplomacy fails. And that's why I will veto any new sanctions bill that threatens to undo this progress.
(END VIDEO CLIP) PERINO: OK, I screwed it up. We're gonna do the economy after we talk about Iran, because I think that this was significant today. Kimberly, let me go to you in this.
PERINO: President Obama last night issuing a number of veto threats, one of them on this Iran piece. It actually -- that veto could actually be the first veto that is overridden for this president, because you have a Congress including a Democrat chairman of the foreign relations committee, ranking Chairman Bob Menendez of New Jersey -- saying today, on camera, in committee that it sounded like the president's talking points came straight from Tehran. This is not setting up for diplomatic success. In addition, Speaker Boehner invited Benjamin Netanyahu to address the full Congress in a couple of weeks, but the White House is not happy about it either.
GUILFOYLE: Which I think was a bold and courageous move and a smart one -- at that. It just seems that the president is completely out of step, even with some members of his own party in this regard, which is really this questionable in terms of his ideology, his foreign policy and his global view of a national security in the United States, and who he'd really sees as our enemies and who he does not. Who he is more interested in appeasing than setting a firm tone of line with, and I think that's a fundamental choice that people can make going forward, especially as it relates to 2016. And this was a bit of precursor and a setup for that platform, which we probably might support.
PERINO: Good transition. And, you see -- one more question on this Iran, I'll give it to Bob, before we go to the economy. And that is that -- everyone is sort of looking to see what Hillary Clinton might say about the entire State of the Union, but in particular on Iran.
PERINO: She said that the Congress passing more sanctions, even if they were a slap back one -- meaning that if you don't get this by this, you would have sanctions. She said it would be disastrous for foreign policy.
BECKEL: Well, and I think she's probably right. And what we don't understand here -- none of us know, and with a lot members of his Congress don't know is, what is going on in the negotiations. There's a lot of back door negotiations, you noticed that the partisan negotiations who said nothing.
BOLLING: That's the problem. That's -- you just nailed the problem, Bob.
BECKEL: As if.
BOLLING: NO, no. Look, you have a Congress that wants sanctions. You have a Senate that wants sanctions likely now.
BOLLING: And they're gonna send it to the president's desk. However, the president, one man stands in front of sanctions to Iran, because what? He is now become the czar, the king, he's gonna call the shots for all of America? When, when the elected people -- if you vote elected, their, their representatives who want sanctions, who want more sanctions on Iraq, but the back door -- that you just said it, you -- the promise you didn't mean to say, but you said it.
BECKEL: You know I said that I didn't mean to say --
BOLLING: There's a lot of back door dealing going on. We don't want that. We don't want back door dealing -- when you're dealing with terrorists.
BECKEL: I think when you're dealing (inaudible) is this, and you're dealing with trying to get a country to say this, it does not gonna use and develop nuclear weapons. Then I think you have to take into account that our partners in those negotiations have been quiet about this, which means there probably is something going on. I'm glad you answer my question for me, but you didn't answer right.
PERINO: OK. Let me go --
GUTFELD: He --
PERINO: You want to do Iran? Go ahead.
GUTFELD: No, I'll just sit here.
PERINO: I feel bad that we should do economy, because I think --
GUTFELD: Alright, fine. Go ahead.
PERINO: We should deal a great, great point --
GUTFELD: No, I was just gonna say that the one of the big points that President Obama said, was that we have to break the cycle of old patterns. This is what he's been saying. He said it and then he want to add any unleashed more punitive taxes. He talked about government bloat and appeasement of our enemies. This is the MEUSAC (ph) of progressivism. This is not new, it's perpetual and it's repetitive - that was what I was going to say.
PERINO: A little thing that is new is that there has been more of like -- more good news about the economy, and he took advantage of that. Let's take a look at that clip.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) OBAMA: Tonight, after a breakthrough year for America, our economy is growing and creating jobs at the fastest pace since 1999. The shadow of crisis has past, and the State of the Union is strong. At this moment, with a growing economy, shrinking deficits, bustling industry, booming energy production, we have risen from recession freer to write our own future than any other nation on earth.
(END VIDEO CLIP) PERINO: Alright, Eric. It says, it goes one to you because, the fact check was busy last night and they didn't agree with a lot of what the president has to say.
BOLLING: Right. Number one, it's just -- the flat wages is down. Actually, wages went down last month, they've been flat for years. Also, the job -- the labor participation that we heard to said, no one seems it said, lowest in 40 years, but he took it. A lot of the reason why things are better right now is because of low energy prices, gasoline going down, more production -- we're becoming more self sufficient on oil. He's taking credit for that and if anyone -- if you just think about what he run on. He was against a lot of the things, a lot of the reasons why our energy production is up. He wasn't for fracking everywhere before. He wasn't for all of the above energy strategy, he adopted that later, he evolved on that, like he did on some other things.
PERINO: Like one in higher gas prices.
BOLLING: And remember this, they -- if you build a coal plant, we'll necessarily bankrupt you. Steven Chu saying we need to get prices -- at European levels, so people stops using gas -- decrease demand. So they take credit for all that, and a lot of things are on the backs of that, is disingenuous at the very best.
BECKEL: Well, it's a very best, which you could say is that you continue to point out there are fewer people participating in the labor force. If I can point it out to you since 2007, 7.45 million people have gone into retirement on social security. That's the difference.
BOLLING: OK, if you put all the people back into the labor force that were there, at the same rate in 2000 --
BECKEL: You can't put them in the labor force.
BOLLING: Do -- do you know what the rate would be? 10 percent unemployment.
BECKEL: No, that -- if you put these --
BOLLING: Just --
BECKEL: These people retired. People retired every year. They come out in the labor force.
PERINO: But Bob --
BECKEL: 7.45 million --
PERINO: You said it's not fair. That's not the entire story.
BOLLING: And Bob, But also people enter the labor force. They become 18 years of age so, people retire and people --
BOLLING: That's wrong.
BECKEL: There's still going on at that age.
BOLLING: Your number is wrong. Put the available number back.
BECKEL: No, my number is not wrong. That's exactly from our brave men (ph) a place you go to perhaps, how certainly he is, is 7.45 million people.
BOLLING: And how many people entered the labor force of the same period of time? You don't have that number, do you?
BECKEL: No. Because they are all babies, I assume right? They're born as -- BOLLING: No, Bob.
PERINO: They're all unemployed. They're living at home with their parents.
GUILFOYLE: Yeah, exactly.
BECKEL: No, no. I'm talking about this 2007, you talked about --
PERINO: Alright. We got to run, because we got more to talk about.
BECKEL: It is.
PERINO: Coming up next -- we're gonna keep talking about it, Bob. President Obama issues a dire warning about climate change during his State of the Union Address, but doesn't once mention Al-Qaeda. Greg, will gonna tell us whether he thinks the president has his priorities in order, when we return.
GUTFELD: So I wonder if no challenge, no challenge, poses a greater threat to future generations than climate change.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) OBAMA: No challenge. No challenge, poses a greater threat to future generations than climate change.
OBAMA: The best scientists in the world are all telling us that our activities are changing the climate. I will not let this Congress endanger the health of our children by turning back the clock on our efforts.
(END VIDEO CLIP) GUTFELD: You got me, Mr. President. I hate children. They're so child-like. And so the man who hates polarization claims that if you disagree with him, you want kids to suffer. No doubt, he cares. He's a walking nest of love. He calls global warming the national security threat, a slap in the face to ISIS and Al-Qaeda. He claimed 2014 is the warmest year on record, failing to point out that we're talking hundreds of a degree, which margin of error erases. That means, most years could be number one, since temperature were fairly constant for a decade or two. Therefore, his lie actually reveals the warming pause. But he knew that, and he still said it assuming like Jonathan Gruber, America's just too dumb to question his bull. He's like car dealer who doesn't tell you about the body and the trunk, that he blames you for not asking when you're arrested. So Obama exaggerates one threat while avoiding the name of a real threat like Al -Qaeda, why is that? Well, for lefties, only America can be at fault. And the war against climate change provides the right villain -- America. The threat of Islamic terror that requires leaders to condemn a foreign toxic ideology, and you can't do that, because if there is no American culprit, then there is no American punishment, which is a big bummer for -- Santa's of self eight. (ph) So it's no wonder he used bad data. Without it, he'll be stuck with the truth, and that's the scariest thing of all. So -- Kimberly.
GUTFELD: He actually used this -- this piece of data, shows that there was a difference of .02 Celsius. Do you know what this is? This is 2/100 of a degree which is less than in 4/100 of degree Fahrenheit. This makes no sense. This is what he based this on.
GUILFOYLE: Well, it's call --
GUILFOYLE: Bad math. I mean, why is he bringing this up? It's because he wants to be global czar. He's thinking about his next job after he is done trashing the country and scaring everyone and said, some kind of global warming hysteria. Why was this even in the speech? The guys cannot mention the word Islamic terrorism, but he's hyperventilating and needing a brown paper bag over climate change. Wow, that's the biggest threat to our national security? He just doesn't get it. Six years in, and he still doesn't get it. If that doesn't like paint the picture for you about his priorities and lack of focus on real problems in this country, you're never going to get it. You're just gonna want to vote for him and support him in general because, you like his ideas and don't want America to be coming forward in life instead of this nonsense with global warming.
GUTFELD: Bob, even you've got to admit when he says this is the key top national security -- factor, his priorities need to shift. The apocalyptic threat is not climate, it's terror.
BECKEL: Well, I mean, in -- in the current situation -- first of all, it does amaze me that he hasn't yet used the word Islamic terrorist, ISIL and a loss to figure that out, but why he does it that way. Secondly though, I do think in the immediate situation, certainly it's not -- climate change is not the biggest threat -- and national security threat to this country, certainly terrorism is. In the long run -- and here is where we have our disagreement. I think in the long run, it clearly and persuasively and without question is the largest national security threat than terrorists. Now, --
GUTFELD: There's no data for it. (ph)
BECKEL: No. Who was it? (ph) But that's a difference of opinion. That's your opinion, my opinion --
GUTFELD: My opinion has facts.
BECKEL: Who's got facts? I got facts, you got facts. Where we gonna --
GUTFELD: I guess, I guess --
GUILFOYLE: For where --
GUTFELD: Well, 1998 was .3 Celsius warmer. That's says -- says the probability that a different year than 2014 was the warmest was 62 percent. Yeah.
BECKEL: If you -- if you --
GUTFELD: Those are facts.
BECKEL: If you take fortune out of the last 15 years --
BECKEL: It would have been warmer.
GUTFELD: Global pause. That hasn't change.
BECKEL: Global pause.
GUTFELD: It hasn't change.
BECKEL: And you're suggesting that we know about global pause if we were taking a record. (ph)
GUTFELD: Climate models have been compromised. They have.
BECKEL: And -- you so, therefore, if you buy into that, you're suggesting that all these scientists and others have made this decision in a conspiracy with Obama to make it the biggest national security --
GUTFELD: It's not -- it's not, not a conspiracy.
GUTFELD: There are certain organizations that create these poorly sourced data, because their careers rely on it.
GUTFELD: Everybody does that. We talk about that with security.
GUILFOYLE: Yeah, they are all in.
BECKEL: He citing the National Oceanic --
BECKEL: Administration and --
BECKEL: A lot of universities. And so, I'm --
GUTFELD: There's plenty who disagree.
BECKEL: Well --
GUTFELD: And they have facts.
BECKEL: And so do our people have.
GUTFELD: But they have faulty climate models --
BECKEL: Let's agree and disagree and we say we do --
GUTFELD: I love this topic.
BECKEL: I will -- I will (inaudible) in my bomb shell, like what he did.
GUTFELD: It will be flooded.
PERINO: You'll see that from Al-Qaeda before you -- climate change.
BOLLING: And we froze? (ph) And we froze (ph) in.
BOLLING: Can I answer K.G.'s question?
GUTFELD: Yes, sure.
BOLLING: If I were to bring it up. Certainly not to have this -- this debate we've had a bunch of times whether the globe is getting warmer or cooler. There are people who think --
BOLLING: It's happening there's -- those who think it's not. The reason why President Obama brings it up in the State of the Union is -- two words, Tom Steyer. Tom Steyer is the billionaire who likes to throw money at --
BOLLING: Liberals, who believe in the climate change. And believe that the climate change is the biggest threat to America. And don't forget, any other environ lobbyist, (ph) but President Obama has to worry about when he leaves office, what's he gonna be doing.
BOLLING: So you said --
GUILFOYLE: So you agree with me?
BOLLING: I totally agree. So he's gonna leave office and he's gonna -- go ahead right to them saying, look what we've done. I carved this out in my six years or eight years of presidency and I'm on your spokesperson for this, let's go make this big.
BOLLING: Clinton has the global initiative, which was talked on this in other things. My guess is he's gonna be right up the environmental lobby.
GUTFELD: I think he --
GUILFOYLER: You are 100 percent right. --
GUTFELD: Or you'll run the U.N.
GUILFOYLE: I'm telling you.
GUTFELD: But be great for traffic.
PERINO: Short on thing.
GUTFELD: No, you don't have a short thing? How appropriate. I was gonna ask you, even if he was right on this. The fact that they haven't been looked at the cost and benefits of it is even more frightening. They don't know what to do.
PERINO: But then, I see able to get some sort of reasonable solution on it -- or if they did a comprehensive energy bill, there might be enough the (inaudible) Yes, OK, we might be doing something. We should address it in some way but, were President Obama should really give that speech? Is not in America, our emissions have gone down. Our businesses are being more responsible. Our consumers are demanding it. And it's probably because we're better at it and the technology is better, where he should go give that speech is in China.
PERINO: Because --
GUTFELD: They'll love it.
PERINO: Their emissions I think is go up, they will -- they will dwarf our emissions and if it's a global problem, if you do something here and not there, it won't matter.
GUTFELD: Exactly, alright.
GUILFOYLE: He's auditioning.
GUTFELD: There you go. Alright, when we return, is Vice President Biden gearing up for a potential 26 Democratic showdown with Hillary? Uncle Joe with some candid words this morning, that's next.
GUILFOYLE: Well, there's been a lot of speculation about Hillary Clinton's potential 2016 White House bid. But what about Vice President Joe Biden? Just hours after President Obama's State of the Union address, he gave his most frank response to date on whether he thinks he has what it takes to be commander in chief.
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GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS, ABC NEWS: Secretary Clinton is lining up staff and support, including many members of President Obama's team. Our latest poll shows she's the overwhelming choice of Democrats. Is there any chance you can challenge her?
JOE BIDEN, VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Yes, there's a chance. To be blunt with you, I think I could do a good job. I have plenty of time to make that decision between now and the summer, and I will make that decision in that time frame.
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BASH: Of all the Democrats, Joe Biden is the most experienced and the most likable. And I think that he could actually be a good candidate for them.
The problem for him will be that it's very unusual for a party to hold the White House for three terms. It's only happened once since 1948. That was when George H.W. Bush won in 19...
BASH: Eighty-eight, thank you, Bob. So that's hard to do. But I think he has a chance. I like him.
GUILFOYLE: All right. What do you think?
BOLLING: I don't think he has a chance, but I'd certainly love to watch it. It would be great -- it will be great for us.
GUILFOYLE: The gift that keeps on giving.
BOLLING: He's so lovable, you're right -- He's so likable, you just want to pull for Joe Biden.
Here's the only thing I did see, though, during the speech. I saw Elizabeth Warren standing up quite a bit. And the camera was catching her quite a bit. I think she's going to be the one, if there is a one. I never saw this coming. A lot of people said she's a viable candidate. I never saw it. But more and more, the more you hear about her, she seems like the right one.
GUILFOYLE: She should have been, like, stayed standing up, because that's what she was doing the whole time.
BECKEL: I think Biden would be, frankly, a better candidate than Elizabeth Warren would be. Secondly...
GUILFOYLE: Better than Hillary?
PERINO: Better candidate.
BECKEL: I think he would be a better candidate, yes. I do. I don't think she's that good a candidate. I've said so all along. Not a good candidate on the stump.
I think that she's going to get -- look, she is going to get somebody against her, if she gets in. And Biden is a logical guy to get in. But for a guy his age, it looks pretty good, I think.
BLITZER: Yes. Sure, and he swims naked. That's another reason to vote for him.
BECKEL: Where did that happen? At your house?
BOLLING: Did you make that happen?
PERINO: No, it's true.
GUILFOYLE: No. Dana knows.
BOLLING: Way TMI.
PERINO: Reported. We have facts, right?
GUTFELD: You saw pictures, by the way. He's kind of like your buddy on open mike night. He's somebody that you humor with phony encouragement. He's not going to run.
He hasn't found his ideal job. I see him running like a giant space zoo. Because he seems like he's always excited about stuff.
BOLLING: That's right.
GUTFELD: He could run a giant space zoo.
BOLLING: A train museum.
GUTFELD: A train museum.
BOLLING: Wear the hat.
GUTFELD: He would love that.
GUILFOYLE: So those of you at home that are sitting there glued to the TV, want to know, hey, what about the other people that are interested in 2016 from the GOP side, and how did they react to the president's State of the Union? Take a listen.
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SEN. MARCO RUBIO (R), FLORIDA: The problem with the president's speech tonight, in my mind, was that his goals and his policies don't match up.
SEN. RAND PAUL (R), KENTUCKY: You know, I heard about a lot of free stuff, but I didn't hear much about how he's going to pay for it or were there any consequences to paying for it.
SEN. TED CRUZ (R), TEXAS: It really was disappointing to see the president refusing to acknowledge the overwhelming sentiment of the American people that we want a different path, we want robust economic growth, we want people to be able to achieve the American dream, and that's getting harder and harder right now.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BECKEL: All right. We'll take it around this way. We'll begin with Bob and head it around.
BECKEL: I didn't, frankly, hear much, except my man, Ted Cruz, of course, was right on point with his message.
The -- again, the Republicans have got to have a message here that is clear and concise and given by somebody who has some standing to say it, and they don't.
And my guess still is that there's a possibility that somebody from the outside, a Ben Carson or somebody, will come up from nowhere and grab the Republican nomination. And I still think Teddy Cruz and Sarah Palin are the best two candidates.
BOLLING: You saw what you expected to see, the post State of the Union, the response, all the talking points that you expected to hear.
GUILFOYLE: Did you hear anything you like?
BOLLING: I mean, you like all this stuff, and you know, everything that Rand Paul, Ted Cruz and who's the first one?
PERINO: Marco Rubio.
BOLLING: Marco Rubio. All those things, those are things that are important to the economy going forward. It just feels like, when you do it right after the president has this big, huge stage and everyone is clapping for him and everyone loves him, and there's this big thing, and then there are sound bites from the various candidates who are going possibly run on the GOP side, it just seems small compared to this. But maybe it would be a better thing not to do those. Maybe even the GOP response, maybe do it another day, even.
GUILFOYLE: Right. Because he has the home field advantage, so anything else that comes up against it is going to look diminutive.
PERINO: So not an enviable position to be in the response. But they're going to be -- it's going to change soon. They're going to be in poll position, and everyone's going to pay attention to them soon.
GUILFOYLE: Let's see what happens. Greg.
GUTFELD: I think the best response, I agree with Eric. I don't think -- if somebody had asked me, I would have just said no, I'm not going to respond. It's not that important. But then I would think about how I can sound like him.
And I've said this before, the left makes bad ideas sound great, and the right makes great ideas sound old and wooden.
Case in point: you had Joni Ernst last night, a great person, potentially a great politician, but she came off, in a way, like a toll-free recording from your bank, because they took the life out of her.
GUILFOYLE: And you liked her content.
GUTFELD: Conservative values are like the car you don't have to sell...
GUTFELD: ... because it all works. Liberalism requires your best salesman, because it's a lemon. But it's a new world now. Conservative -- conservatism is competing against amazing salesmen on the other side, and they have to find their Obama.
BECKEL: I would take note of the fact that Jeb Bush waited until everybody else spoke and then spoke late, as usual. He was exactly the right time. Let everybody else put their stuff out and then come up and take an accumulation of everything they said and make it into a sound bite.
BOLLING: On Facebook, too, nonetheless.
BECKEL: On Facebook, yes.
GUILFOYLE: Yes, on Facebook, too. He was very -- he was good.
Well, sounds like Bob is trying to get a job from Jeb Bush.
BECKEL: That's -- that may be my only choice.
GUILFOYLE: It's looking that way, actually. Directly ahead, some breaking news on what some NFL watchers have dubbed deflate-gate. League officials have reportedly found evidence the Patriots broke the rules in last weekend's AFC championship game. New details on that and more in Eric's "Fastest Seven," coming up.
BOLLING: Time for...
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GRAPHIC: Fastest 7
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BOLLING: ... the fastest six or so minutes on television. Three rousing stories, seven rapid-fire minutes, one raucous host.
First up, "ball-ghazi" heating up again today. The AFC champions...
GUILFOYLE: Oh, God.
BOLLING: ... the Patriots, they face fines and/or sanctions for using deflated footballs that some say make it easier to throw and catch. The NFL's currently looking into the case and will issue their findings within days. ESPN's star personality, Mike Wilbon, went further than any respectable analyst should go.
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MIKE WILBON, ESPN: I would say to the New England Patriots, you know what we're going to do? If this was found to be true, like, today, tomorrow, the next 72 hours, you know what? You're forfeiting your spot in the Super Bowl. We're vacating it. Get out. You're a cheater, you're a lying franchise. If true, if you can prove it, get out.
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BOLLING: All right, Bobby, I've got to give you -- everybody's mad at me because I was mean to you earlier in the A block.
BECKEL: You weren't (ph) mean to me, I think, but...
BOLLING: The Patriots, what...
BECKEL: I think it's ridiculous to call for them to lose their title. They had a lot of the reasons that they got there, and they got there legitimately. But this is the second major issue concerning the Patriots in, what, four years, three years? I think that they better -- have to learn to play by the rules or learn to play without playing the game.
BECKEL: You want to get in here?
PERINO: No, I have something funny.
GUILFOYLE: No, go ahead.
BOLLING: There's some rumor now, and this is unconfirmed, a rumor now that Bill Belichick might be pulled for the Super Bowl if they find out that this -- he had knowledge of that.
BECKEL: That wouldn't be good.
BOLLING: That's the coach. Your thoughts?
GUILFOYLE: Look, I think the plays are already in. They'll find a way to get around that. I don't know. Is that sufficient? If you actually cheated and screwed up the whole game and the outcome and changed NFL history and who was going to the Super Bowl? I don't know. I find this to be an interesting legal dilemma. Will someone sue?
BECKEL: They think -- they think he's that good. They think he's that good of a coach?
GUILFOYLE: I totally get that. Nevertheless, you've got offensive quarters. You've got other people that stepped in. And they've got the plays, and they know what they're doing. And you have Tom Brady. What's he going to do, cry in a corner because, you know, he doesn't have his coach?
BOLLING: All right, D. Your thoughts on...
PERINO: I was just going to ask what will they do with all the T-shirts?
BOLLING: The Super Bowl?
PERINO: They have to forfeit, then there's all -- there's all the...
BOLLING: I don't think they're going to get to the point where they pull them.
BECKEL: By the way, what did you call it? Ball-gate? Ball-ghazi?
BECKEL: I see.
BOLLING: You like it. You all right with it?
BECKEL: I hate it.
BOLLING: Greg, your thoughts?
GUTFELD: They're already going to be punished enough. Katy Perry is performing at the halftime. That's enough for anybody. Let it go.
BOLLING: Not a Katy Perry fan. All right, next up...
GUTFELD: Who is?
PERINO: I am.
GUTFELD: You're weird.
BOLLING: ... the wussification of America continues. Sadly, this one hits close to home for me, one of football's greatest players and then coach saying that, if he had a son now, he wouldn't let him play football.
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MIKE DITKA, FORMER NFL PLAYER/COACH: If you had an 8-year-old kid now, would you tell him you wanted him to play football?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I wouldn't. Would you?
DITKA: No. That's sad. I wouldn't. My whole life was football. I think the risk is worse -- worse than the reward, I really do.
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BOLLING: All right. I spent many a sub-zero Sunday afternoon at Soldiers Field. I watched you, Mike Ditka, crush linebackers on your blocks, run over d-backs, and now you're afraid of the game? Don't be a wussy, Iron Mike! I strongly disagree.
GUILFOYLE: That's terrible.
GUTFELD: I don't know. I mean, I guess...
GUTFELD: I guess if I had a son now, I'd say, like, "Who are you? Where did you come from?"
It is unusual that a legend would disown...
BECKEL: So would she (ph)...
GUILFOYLE: OK, Bob.
GUTFELD: It's strange that a legend would disown his own universe. I mean, this is like Al Sharpton rejecting hoaxes. But you know, I don't know. That's it.
PERINO: It's like Hollywood that says that violence in movies is not a good thing.
BECKEL: Let's say this about Mike Ditka. Mike Ditka did the definitive study on what happens with concussions in football, and he reached the conclusion that they were devastating and they had long-term impact. And I think that's what he's reacting to.
GUILFOYLE: He's so wrong.
BECKEL: If you love your kid, right in the middle of that, with that kind of chance?...
BOLLING: Yes, yes. My kid is in high school, and if he came to me and said, "I want to play high-school football," I'd be all for it.
BECKEL: I think social services should visit you.
GUILFOYLE: OK. Well, listen, I think you should let your kid play what they want to play. If their sport and their passion is football, so be it. Right now, Ro-digs is soccer, but you know.
BOLLING: Would you let him play?
GUILFOYLE: I would let him play, but I think what Mike Ditka said is true, in that there's tremendous injuries and damage that is long-term, with like traumatic brain injuries and concussions with football. I've seen it happen to friends of mine that have played over the years. And I don't know.
GUTFELD: What if he wanted to enlist in the military?
GUILFOYLE: Yes, OK.
GUTFELD: No, I mean, what if he wanted to enlist in the military?
BOLLING: Actually, great point. More dangerous, right?
PERINO: Well, they're not 8 years old.
GUTFELD: Some of them could be.
BOLLING: All right. How about this one? Super Bowl XLIX is ten days away, but Toyota is out of the blocks first with this ad.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It really didn't matter what surroundings you're in to become a good dad. I think it's where you want to be and how you see life. If you see life in a negative light, a lot of things can happen and you can go down the wrong path. But if you can see positivity and sort of blossom into an opportunity to where you wouldn't even fathom where you would end up.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You know, being a dad doesn't have anything to do with blood. It's not biological. It's about a choice that you make to love your children.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What kind of dad do you want to be?
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BOLLING: All right. Very quickly, take it around. K.G., four and a half million bucks for a 30-second ad like that.
GUILFOYLE: I love it.
BOLLING: That's it?
GUILFOYLE: You said to be quick.
BOLLING: OK, but that was...
GUILFOYLE: I love it. Bob.
BECKEL: I thought it was brilliant, and they're out first. They're exactly the right way to do it.
PERINO: I like it.
GUTFELD: Just to be a contrarian, I thought it was deeply offensive. What -- I don't have a father. I'm deeply offended.
BOLLING: Very good. We're going to leave it right there.
Up next, can you guess what was Bob's favorite moment from the State of the Union? Here's a clue. It made Republicans very angry, and the media and left thought it was a sick burn. The answer when we return.
BECKEL: It might surprise you to hear there was a lot in last night's State of the Union address that I loved. But there was one particular line that I absolutely loved even more than I loved. Want to hear it?
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BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I have no more campaigns to run. My only agenda -- (APPLAUSE) I know, because I won both of them.
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BECKEL: All right. Mr. O, that was great. The Republicans sort of got stung on that one, don't you think, Eric?
BOLLING: He nailed them. Right between the forehead. That was like -- I don't know if they planned that, if they saw that coming or had that line set up. Because that was...
PERINO: No, that was obviously off the top of his head.
BOLLING: And delivered perfectly, timed well. He looked over at the Republicans when there was clapping and then he turned to the Democrats, "I know, because I won twice." It was just -- all credit to him on that one.
You know what my favorite line of the night was, though? When he says, "You want to get the job done right, hire a veteran." And I was thinking, "Did he really just say that?" Because why didn't we think of that in 2008?
BECKEL: Let me say, I doubt that there was -- the conspiracy to do that was done in the White House before they got there. Dana, what about you?
PERINO: Well, I think that, one, he showed that he can be provoked by three clappers. OK. But it's also not the first time that he's got to remind everybody that he's won. Remember with John McCain in the debate on healthcare, when he turned to Senator McCain and said, "Well, elections have consequences, John, and I won." And I thought that was distasteful then. I also think that he didn't do anything to recognize that Republicans have actually just cleaned his clock two, three months ago in the midterm elections.
BECKEL: Well, yes, that's -- You don't really want to admit that you got beat that bad. But who knows?
Greg, did you love it?
GUTFELD: Yes. I mean, he won, but his party lost and the country lost, as well.
But it's important that he did this. The Republicans should feel the sting, so they go out and try to win. And I think that's helpful. And I agree with Eric. I do think this was planned. I think it was a game of joke chess. He had that first line and knew that line was going to get a heckle. And he had the second line ready, and it's very clever. I thought it was...
PERINO: You think he planned it?
GUTFELD: Of course, yes. That was -- he knew that line -- he knew that line was going to get that response.
BOLLING: It was so well planned out.
BECKEL: I'll tell you, I...
GUTFELD: I thought it was really clever.
GUILFOYLE: Except for the fact that he gutted his own party and stepped on their backs. And there were 83 fewer Democrats listening to him in the winners' circle.
BECKEL: It's two to two. Do you think it was planned?
GUILFOYLE: Yes, it was planned, but it was still good.
PERINO: You know what? I think the two of worked in really, White Houses that were kind of lame when it came to planning -- planning the jokes.
GUTFELD: That's the point, is that Republicans need to be that clever. They've got to be that clever.
PERINO: I just wanted more decorum. I want more decorum.
BECKEL: I'll tell you one thing. In the Lincoln White House, we had a lot better lines than that. "One More Thing" is up next.
PERINO: Time now for "One More Thing." And it's Bob's lucky day. He's going to go first.
BECKEL: OK. You know that I am a big Teddy Cruz fan. This is my man, Teddy Cruz. Now, Teddy -- we worked last night on Teddy getting ready to respond to the State of the Union speech, and Teddy made a mistake. You didn't follow my advice, Senator. You've got to do that from now on out. You can't make mistakes like this. Let's take a look at what happened.
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SEN. TEDDY CRUZ (R), TEXAS: Tonight America received a powerful demonstration that it's time to move on beyond President Obama. Medium incomes have stagnated for over a decade.
Let me start over. Tonight America saw a powerful demonstration.
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BECKEL: Well, he didn't exactly follow my advice. Go ahead.
PERINO: I hope he never gets ahold of our outtakes.
GUTFELD: I know.
PERINO: All right, Greg, your turn.
GUTFELD: All right. I'm very excited because I say to the camera, the director, should we plan this shot? He says don't worry, I can handle it. I'm a pro. You're not. You are not even close. These are unicorn slippers.
Jesus. That is awful.
These are awesome. Somebody sent me these unicorn slippers. They didn't leave a name or a return address. So in order to find out who this is, you've got to tell me what package did this come in so I know that it's you.
By the way, this is made out of real rabbit.
PERINO: Jasper gave you those.
GUTFELD: They just gutted a rabbit.
You've always got to work Jasper into this?
PERINO: Yes. I do. It's been a while.
GUTFELD: What's wrong with this place?
GUILFOYLE: What's wrong with you? Look at those slippers.
GUTFELD: Way to ruin it, people.
PERINO: All right. E.B.
BOLLING: OK. So I'll go very quickly. In Davos right now, the rich of the rich, the elite of the elite are gathering now. They're talking about everything that is important on the planet, including climate change, apparently. But they fly there on their G-5s and their G-7s. Al Gore today announced a world tour music tour that's going to kick off June 18. It's going to feature 100 artists. It's going to hit all seven continents, broadcast in 190 countries, called Live Earth, to make -- to raise awareness on global climate change, with his G-5 from Davos. Wow.
GUILFOYLE: Big old carbon footprint.
BOLLING: Anyway, looking forward to that concert tour anyway.
PERINO: You'll probably go to that concert.
BOLLING: Yes, I would.
PERINO: All right. K.G.
GUILFOYLE: I have a very good one. I think it's important, because they have not been forgotten, the two officers that gave their lives protecting our communities here in New York City. You see them, there, Officer Ramos and Officer Wenjian Liu.
And a very nice thing has been done, and it's great for the children, the family members. Two Brooklyn streets renamed in honor of those murdered cops that fell in the line of duty. So that's pretty exciting. Of course, it passed unanimously at the city council parks committee. They will not be forgotten.
PERINO: All right. And I've got some -- a reading assignment for you. You can go to "The New York Times" magazine website. You can find a new article that just posted by Jim Rutenberg. It will be in this Sunday's "New York Times," about Megyn Kelly, our own Megyn Kelly. It's called "The Megyn Kelly Moment." When you read the article, you will know what that means. It's a really, really good piece. Jim Rutenberg is one of the best reporters that "The New York Times" has. So you can spend your evening tonight watching that.
GUTFELD: What is the moment?
PERINO: I will be on Megyn Kelly at 9:30.
GUTFELD: What is the moment?
BOLLING: You don't want to be -- you don't want to be involved.
PERINO: When you get -- when you get, like, caught for being a you know what.
GUTFELD: Oh, OK.
PERINO: She'll like call you on it.
Set your DVR so you never miss an episode of "The Five." That's it for us. "Special Report" is next. Nice.
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