This is a rush transcript from "The Five," August 14, 2014. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.
ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: This is a Fox News alert.
Those are scenes from last night in Ferguson, Missouri, where police clashed with rioters and looters for the fourth night, since the Ferguson Police Department officer shot and killed an unarmed Michael Brown.
Heavily armed police shot tear gas to disperse crowds. They declared a curfew and grabbed cell phones from citizens trying to film the action. They even went so far as to arrest two reporters from "The Washington Post" and "Huffington Post."
Missouri Governor Jay Nixon said he's replacing the St. Louis County Police with the new lead police department, the Missouri Highway Patrol, as Missouri braces for nightfall.
President Obama pried himself off the golf course to deliver some remarks.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: There is never an excuse for violence against police, or for those who would use this tragedy as a cover for vandalism or looting. There's also no excuse for police to use excessive force against peaceful protests, or to throw protesters in jail for lawfully exercising their First Amendment rights.
Now is the time for healing. Now is the time for peace and calm on the streets of Ferguson.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BOLLING: So, the question, is Ferguson and the Missouri Governor Jay Nixon over-militarizing the town?
Let's bring it around.
Your thoughts on a serious show of force, right?
GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: There are three angles to this story. There's the left, there's the right and there's the libertarian.
The left sees this tragedy, and uses it to brand society as a pit of racial injustice. The right uses it often to lecture on culture and lawlessness. And then the libertarians bemoan the militarization of police.
The solution to all of this is just to say they're all right. Every one of those perspectives is correct. There are parts of society where there's racial injustice. There are problems with culture and lawlessness. And they do look like they're commandos.
So, why can't we all agree with that? But the problem -- the reason why we can't agree with it is because agreement is boring. If we all agree with each other, then there's no more news. And then there's no conflict. The media loves conflict.
BOLLING: Dana, do you think they went too far with putting, you know, some serious vehicles, the whole camouflage uniforms and all that, did they need to go that far? Some would say, yes, that works.
DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: So, this might be really boring, but I agree with you, because I just don't think we know enough. So, when President Obama came out today, one of the things he said is that we need a full investigation. But while he is saying that, he was putting the considerable weight of his thumb on the scale against the police.
I'm not quite ready to do that. I can see that people have legitimate grievances from all sides, legitimate concerns. I actually think a full investigation is smart. I really like the idea of changing out the police force, not because the police necessarily has specifically done anything wrong, but because in order to get a full pivot to the next stage of this, which is hopefully reconciliation, and then the investigation that comes out in a full report, I think that had to happen.
And the police chief, the interview he did with Cavuto from Ferguson, Missouri, he was very impressive. I thought he was great.
BOLLING: Bob, before we get to some of the sound bytes of the people weighing in on this. What do you see so far?
BOB BECKEL, CO-HOST: Well, Ferguson is similar to a lot of suburbs around big cities. I think about Prince Georges County outside Washington --
PERINO: Yes.
BECKEL: -- which was 80 percent white, 85 percent white, is now almost predominantly black. Ferguson was the same way.
One of the byproducts to that is we end up with a police force that is disproportionately white and not as many black members.
That does not excuse what happened. I go back to what I said yesterday, it's a small percentage.
I think using force like that kind of draws the media in there to see that kind of thing. Believe me when I tell you the media loves those pictures. The fact that these people got arrested, if they were denying what police said. But the last thing I will say is for the police to take somebody's camera is way beyond the pale.
BOLLING: That's exactly what I want to throw to Andrea. Did they go too far to take not only citizens' cameras, reporters' cameras as well?
ANDREA TANTAROS, CO-HOST: Well, I think --
BOLLING: Let me correct that, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. They didn't take them, they made them stop filming. That's --
TANTAROS: Well, think about what we have here. We have citizen journalists now, which we didn't have before. Instead of just the news media being there, we have the people on the streets using their cell phones to film. We have people filming people filming what's going on the streets. So, it is starting to spiral out of question, no question.
I am shocked that the president would get involved in this at this point. I mean, I'm not surprised because he's stuck his nose into other local issues. But to Greg's point, there's the right, there's the middle and then there's the left side of this.
But then there's also the people who aren't there. And that's most of us. That's what the police chief tried do come out and say, he's like, look, the president is not helping the situation by making comments from the Vineyard today. I mean, did he get his updates yesterday in between the Macarena at the party with that?
I just feel like it didn't help. And Dana's absolutely right, the president would have been perfect in pitch with his remarks, but instead, his comments about excessive force by the police, the police that have resisted using excessive force on Sunday night, they backed off on Sunday night and it only got worse -- to me, the president only inflamed the situation. He should have said, the reason we can't have this investigation is because we've been too focused on the rioting. Stop the rioting and call for peace. But he didn't --
BOLLING: I have a lot of sounds to get to. Let me guys. If you don't mind, we're going to give you one perspective, the opposite perspective, and then something I think we can all agree on.
Give us the first one, Kevin Jackson, first.
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KEVIN JACKSON, THE BLACK SPHERE: There are many, many more instances of the police doing great things, and not only the black community, but across the nation. You get an incident like this, where you don't even know all the facts, and everybody is automatically jumping to the conclusion that the police have done something wrong. I would ask the folks in the black neighborhood, would you rather the cops not be here, or would you rather they be there to protect you?
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BOLLING: Now, Bob, that might be the other side of your argument there. ] BECKEL: Yes, but also, I just want to say one thing. Obama did say there's never an excuse for violence against police. Or for those who would use this tragedy as a cover for vandalism, or looting. I think the president of the United States, you know, if he doesn't say something, you all say he should say something, or he gets (INAUDIBLE).
Look, it's got a potential to spiral out, and I will guarantee you what's happening here is a lot of the professional agitators from around the country are on airplanes coming to this site. I mean, people who are - - you know, former Panther people, people like that, they tend to gather in something like this.
And my worry is you're seeing people here who have nothing to do with the whole deal, they're just there to stir things up.
GUTFELD: You know, what Kevin Jackson said is an important point, which is great things are never filmed, rarely filmed. The bad things are.
So, the solution for all of this is cameras, but only if they capture not just the lawlessness, but also the law enforcer equally, so you have a mutually assured destruction. Cameras everywhere, where it isn't private, it's public, will help eliminate the ambiguity and suspicion that surrounds such incidents. So, we know what happened.
BOLLING: It may be a good deterrent as well.
GUTFELD: Yes, exactly. If you know the camera is rolling, you may not do something that maybe -- you know, implicate you later.
Dana, do you want to weigh in on this one?
PERINO: Well, I have one thought about the media piece of it. I think one of the things that the police department could have done and maybe could do is invite those reporters along. Say that, you know what, we'll embed you with us. These are our rules. We want to make sure you're safe. If you want to find out about this story, take them with you.
That's kind of like having a camera on your head, because I think the first hand eyewitness accounts are really important, and something that the media and the police could actually work together, and then solve the problem.
BOLLING: I think I'm going to invest in GoPro. Can you imagine if every police officer in the country had a GoPro?
I want to get -- can I get Andrea now?
BECKEL: Sure.
BOLLING: This one, Kevin Jackson?
TANTAROS: Yes, I think he was right on point with what he said. And my issue, and I'm going to go back to respond with what Bob said.
When President Obama made that comment about the police, my issue is that he put them, the police, on the same moral equivalency as the rioters. So, he chastised both of them.
Look, these images, they're brutal. The police getting Molotov cocktails thrown at them. They look like they have militarized the area.
But again, we don't know what's going on there. I don't know if the DOJ is right in the investigation. Maybe Eric Holder is right, maybe there's a civil rights issue here. All of these extra comments, the president's comments today, the rioting, they don't help us get closer to getting the answers of what really happened.
BOLLING: Let me get this in, Bob. I know you want to get -- you can comment after this. Let's listen to John Lewis now. Honestly, this is kind of a little bit surprising. But listen.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
REP. JOHN LEWIS (D), GEORGIA: President Obama should use the authority of his office to declare martial law, federalize the Missouri National Guard to protect people as they protest. And people should come together.
If we fail to act, the fires of frustration and discontent will continue to burn. Not only in Ferguson, Missouri, but all across America.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BOLLING: Now, Bobby, are you surprised that Representative Lewis, who knows a thing or two about protests, would go so far as to say president Obama should declare martial law?
BECKEL: No, I'm not, because in his era of protesting, that was exactly what happened. I think John has not -- I mean, the times have -- he did a magnificent job when he did.
Can I make one other point about the press? There have been two town meetings that have been packed and people have been waiting on the outside to try to get in. I don't know about the rest of you, I saw no coverage of those town meetings, which were fairly dignified. Some people were allowed.
But I saw plenty of footage of glass being broken. That's the problem.
Then, you -- then, you have -- when Obama says First Amendment rights, First Amendment rights are exactly right, but it also includes seems to me is covering the whole story. And if you don't go into a place where they have two peaceful packed town meetings, hundreds of -- maybe 1,000 people, you're not getting that side of the story.
GUTFELD: I mean, it's an image race right now. People are looking for the most explosive images. A lot of these images feature intimidating figures, the police dressed in a certain manner. When you see this, it's disturbing to see decent citizens standing there, and men who really look like they should be in Afghanistan.
But it undermines what is really an important purpose, which is intimidation, which is necessary. It eliminates the need for force. No cop wants to put their hands on you, because in this age, they're going to get sued because they're being filmed. Their lives will be ruined. So, intimidating -- being a force of intimidation hopefully ends the conflict before a conflict starts.
But it doesn't look that way on camera. Instead it looks like David and Goliath. And the media loves David and Goliath. They love that story. They beat it to death.
BOLLING: Can I pick a piece of sound here that I think a lot of people watching, hopefully everyone at the table would agree with? Take a listen. This is mayor of Ferguson.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How do you feel about the arrival or the presence of Al Sharpton?
MAYOR JAMES KNOWLES, FERGUSON, MISSOURI: I have concern that we will lose sight of this young man and the tragedy. And become clearly a national spectacle, instead of losing, instead focusing on this young man and the issues at hand. So, sometimes star power is not always a good thing.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BOLLING: Would you agree with the mayor?
TANTAROS: How can you not?
BOLLING: Yes.
TANTAROS: I mean, again, there may be a legitimate wrongdoing here by the police. We just don't know yet.
The problem is, every time you see Al Sharpton, you go right to race. Then nobody focuses on the facts anymore. You have one side trying to make it about race, the Al Sharptons of the world, he doesn't have the greatest track record.
And then you have the other side that's trying to make it about everything but what went on. And it just becomes a fight between right and left and then you have more division. But yes, I mean, look, Al Sharpton, so far and up to this point, he's condemned the violence. He hasn't said anything completely inflammatory that I've heard. But it's just the connotation and the association that makes it far worse.
And, again, President Obama should not have said anything today. I don't think he helped the situation.
PERINO: I think it's interesting that --we checked right before, the population of Ferguson is only 21,000 people. So, not only do you have this explosive situation, now you have national media attention, and the national divisive figures coming, and not just a national story, this is probably an international story by now, saying, look at what's happening in America.
I think that we -- Al Sharpton takes away the perspective that everyone could have, and that the mayor, the police chief, the governor, the calm that they're trying to bring to the area.
BECKEL: Well, I don't think it's going to become -- what happens here, the most explosive of these things, like this is during the funeral. When this kid gets in a hearse and they take him down and they take him to a graveyard, there's going to be potential for a lot of unrest.
Now, Al Sharpton is Al Sharpton. We all know about that. It doesn't help.
On the other hand, I have a feeling this is a bigger story than perhaps we want it to be. There's been frustration building up. There always is. And the summertime is the worst time to have these.
BOLLING: Bob, before we go, Greg, do you want to weigh in on this one?
GUTFELD: Well, I was going to say, you know, Al Sharpton's goal is to raise tension, because that expands his power and influence. That's his career. And he somehow becomes the czar of racial division because by having him over at the White House so often, it gave him a greater stature. He is like the czar of division.
BOLLING: Quick, I want to just weigh in on your comment earlier, you said the community had changed from a predominantly white community to a predominantly black community. It's about 75 percent black now. Ninety percent of the police force is white. Are you saying the police force should reflect more accurately what the community --
BECKEL: I think -- no, I don't think you can take cops out of their jobs. They put time in, they're moving up. It just -- it's happened in Prince Georges County, the same thing. And there were racial tensions and part of it was because the black community, I think they were reflective on the police department.
BOLLING: Does it go the other way, too, though?
BECKEL: I really do think -- two things. They should try to recruit as many black officers as they can. And secondly, as soon as they get the information out here, this is a case to get out as much as you can that's been proved sooner rather than later.
BOLLING: We've got to go. Quick thoughts, anyone?
TANTAROS: It doesn't help when the chief of police is tweeting out that people have a right to be suspicious of cops. I think they should stay off social media and they should just let the investigation play out.
BOLLING: Ands, I hate to cut you off, but Porter is yelling in my ear. He's yelling in my ear again.
We have a lot more on the unrest in Missouri, next.
And later, the wife of the late Robin Williams issued a statement. She revealed a disease that the legend was suffering from, besides depression, that no one knew about. We'll have that in a minute.
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TANTAROS: Well, back now with more on the chaos in Ferguson, Missouri. Social media has played a very big role in this tragedy. Some of it helps, some of it hurts.
Earlier, I mentioned the chief of police saying that it's OK for people to be suspicious of the police. I don't believe that that helped the situation at all. But do posts like this on outlets like Facebook from black Americans who are outraged about the looting, do they help or do they hurt?
Take a look.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What we're doing out here is not helping. Us rioting, looting, I'm sick of it! I'm not going to tell you and tell you, we're going to march, we're going to do this, we're going to do that, I'm going to tell you, let's change! When is this going to stop? When? How are our children supposed to grow up when we are here acting like fools?
(END VIDEO CLIP)
TANTAROS: OK. He lives in California, Eric, but there have been a number of people speaking out on Twitter, on Facebook, either for or against what's happening there. A lot of different sides.
Is it just extra chatter that is unnecessary? Or does this help?
BOLLING: You know what, Ands? He said almost the same thing, Kevin Jackson said in the first -- in the "A" block. Kevin Jackson delivered it in a completely different manner. Let's wait. Before we go and judge what happened here, let's get the facts and let's be smart and let's not put ourselves in these situations, as the black community.
So, if you listen to more of Jackson's commentary. They were almost exactly the same. They just have different delivery. So, I don't think it hurts. I mean I think there will be a certain percentage of the community that listen and say, you know, he's right. I needed to hear it in that form. And there are others who will say, Kevin Jackson said it in a calm tone, and I understood that, too. But the message is the same.
TANTAROS: Dana, earlier in the "A" block, Greg was talking how difficult it is because of social media and the cameras and people taking pictures. It is scary to see police dressed in these type of fatigues. But I would assume that they wouldn't be dressed that way if they really thought their lives were in danger and this was a dangerous situation.
How about people taking pictures of that, the perception, other news outlets running pictures over and over of the police in this gear? Does it help? Or does it skew it? I mean, it's a little scary for me to watch. But I think it's probably necessary.
PERINO: I think it's probably skewed it against the police department, which at this point, they don't need to worry about talking about their outfits. They have more important things to do. And as public servants, you have an obligation to make sure that whatever you're saying on social media is going to either -- it's not going to fuel the problem. I think that maybe there are some -- maybe some guidelines that need to be established so people don't do that.
However, you asked a good question, is it helping or is it hurting? I think in some ways you have to accept that it's never -- we're never going back to a point where we don't have the ability to discuss things on social media. Maybe the outlet is very good. I do think it's a little different for public servants. When it comes to the police, I can understand that people are saying, why do you need that? Why do you need all that gear in Ferguson, Missouri?
However, I also don't think that I have much knowledge or expertise to say that the military -- I'm sorry, that the police doesn't deserve to have the kind of protection that they think that they need. Maybe for some people, it was over the top. But they're protecting -- the police are having to protect themselves, and they have the latest gear in order to do that.
TANTAROS: There's no question, Greg, that we need an investigation. I think the police agree they're a little tied up right now trying to stem the looting. This is actually hurting getting to the bottom of what happened. But the looters don't care, they don't want to wait for the facts anyway.
But President Obama in his remarks today mentioned Eric Holder launching an investigation. Here's the president talking how his administration is going to get involved.
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OBAMA: I've already tasked the Department of Justice and the FBI to independently investigate the death of Michael Brown, along with local officials on the ground. I made clear to the attorney general that we should do what is necessary to help determine exactly what happened, and to see that justice is done.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
TANTAROS: Maybe the DOJ does need to get involved, we don't know.
GUTFELD: Well, I guess, of course, this is an issue. It's a crisis.
But in my opinion, all serious crimes are a crisis. There is a sense with Holder, that actual crimes were the same comparison, if there was a shooting here and a shooting there. Some matter more than others. And I think he's made that clear in his views, that he is an activist and that he looks at America through a particular prism of race, and that creates a more activist DOJ.
So, there's always some kind jaundiced or skeptical view when you think of Holder. However, that doesn't take away from the fact that the DOJ should be looking into this, because, again, this is a crisis. Nobody knows what happened, and it's a serious possible crime. Who knows?
TANTAROS: Bob, we've been saying on social media a little bit in this block. The Justice Department tweeted out about a "Huffington Post" reporter. They probably shouldn't have done it. It appears that they are not picking sides in the media, but, I mean, Dana is nodding her head.
Should the Department of Justice be highlighting reporters at outlets that notoriously lean left who are covering the story, or should they just focus on the facts and stay off Twitter?
BECKEL: I mean, that's a fact that they were arrested. I mean, you need to go with that.
I would be curious when this investigation is over, was it really necessary to bring out all that riot gear. Maybe it was. But my guess is, if it wasn't, it's inflamed the citizenry more than it should be.
And the second thing is, when you listen to that guy on social media, he's from California. The last thing that most -- the vast majority of blacks in this country want to see is looting. And it reminds him, he was kid, there was looting during -- when Martin Luther King was killed. And it was horrible. He said, my kids have to grow up and see this.
And he's right. I think that there must be a reaction by the black community that says, this is enough, this is not who we are. And we gave him coverage, I'm glad we did. But most people do not.
TANTAROS: All right. Up next on THE FIVE: is ISIS looking for recruits in the West? Greg will show you some concerning leaflets that have been circulating around London. That's coming up.
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GUTFELD: The British police are investigating pro-ISIS leaflets said to be found in London, asking Muslims to join their merry band of death credence, which makes me miss the good old days when it was the Hare Krishnas handing out the leaflets. The worst thing they did was chant. There was never a beheading.
So these fliers aren't about finding peace or even pizza. They're offering a way out for bitter weirdoes, a promise of revenge in an evil world.
Not that I care. If you want to join a death cult, go ahead. I hope you die in a cloud of dust. Which is why, when one asks if these leaflets should be stopped, I say never. We need this activity out in the open, because recruitment does us a big favor. It gets the evil out of our country. If radical Islamists leave to fight in Iraq or Syria or Afghanistan, that's far better than the reverse. I'd rather America fight them over there, obliterating these terrorists into a sticky paste, than have them decapitating citizens here in the street.
ISIS could be their magnet, a glorious roach motel that attracts the very worst of this planet, where they die in large groups. Of course, this all depends on whether the west is willing to do the dirty work to keep them from returning. Because for every time we say no boots on the ground, you can hear the footsteps of their boots right behind us.
PERINO: Hmm.
GUTFELD: Hmm. What does that mean?
PERINO: Someone told me that it's awkward after your monologue if we don't say anything. But I -- it's really because we just need a moment to absorb the brilliance.
GUTFELD: Oh, thank you.
PERINO: I was trying to fill the silence.
BECKEL: Can you speak for yourself?
GUTFELD: Bob, what do you have? What was wrong with it?
BECKEL: I think this -- handing out these pamphlets is a good example of group like Subway trying to get people to come get -- but ISIS...
GUTFELD: Are you calling Subway terrorists?
BECKEL: Yes, they are. And their food...
GUTFELD: This is great.
BECKEL: But the -- they probably advertise that. I'm in trouble again.
But you know, the fact that ISIS -- no organized group goes out and hands out pamphlets on a street, No. 1.
No. 2, we've already driven them out of two -- they've been driven out of two towns by the Kurds. They've been driven out of another town near the mountains. These are guys that, when they're confronted with people who have guns, are not nearly as big a crowd as people think. I will repeat my point, they are the J.V.
GUTFELD: Dana, you're having flashes.
PERINO: I'm having a hot flash of anger, OK?
GUTFELD: All right.
PERINO: I just -- I think that, when the 9/11 Commission comes out a decade after their original report and says America is more complacent than ever before 9/11, I think that it is a serious problem. Do you remember, Greg, when the soldier in Britain was executed in the streets?
GUTFELD: Yes. Yes.
PERINO: It was a beheading.
GUTFELD: Yes.
PERINO: All right. Then the soldiers in Britain were told, "Do not wear your uniforms outside, because you don't want to offend anybody."
So I agree, I'm glad that the leaflets are being handed out. I think that it actually is organized, and I think it's propaganda that has to be fought combat to combat. I'm for that.
GUTFELD: Eric, are the leaflets a big deal?
BOLLING: They are -- no, I think you're right. I think they have -- we need to see that this goes on.
But I will tell you, Bobby, I'm going to take the other side of it. They're not J.V. They're not -- it's not just leaflets. They have a sophisticated P.R. wing. They're putting out videos that are amazingly produced.
BECKEL: Not hard to do in this day and age.
BOLLING: No, no, no. But no one else is -- how is this? They have a better P.R. wing than the White House has. That's how good it is.
BECKEL: Well, that -- that might be the case. But I would think...
BOLLING: You really need to spend some time. I mean, these are videos that are training. I'm sorry. Their recruiting videos, they're unbelievable. They make it seem like they're -- they're on this beautiful mission to, you know, save the world of all the ills of the western people.
PERINO: Fight the (UNINTELLIGIBLE) people.
BOLLING: And you don't see any of that, though. You don't see the beheadings and the savagery and the kids hanging on crosses and things like that. Out of control good, and they're definitely not the J.V.
BECKEL: Well, I -- has anybody heard the Iraqi -- the vaunted Iraqi military say one thing? Not one.
PERINO: I heard our defense secretary yesterday say in front of Marines that this is a terrorist threat like the world has never seen.
BECKEL: I heard that.
PERINO: I don't think that it's...
BECKEL: The five of us could go marching through an area with nobody shooting at us and hurt people. And I want to know where -- I keep coming back to, where is this vaunted Iraqi military...
TANTAROS: No organized group can pass out leaflets on the street? There's an organized group of palm readers on the Upper West Side...
BECKEL: That's right, which is exactly what I think these guys are.
TANTAROS: Palm readers? A little bit different. They cut off people's palms.
BECKEL: Yes, I understand that, but...
TANTAROS: They cut off the palms of children. I would love to know, if you think they are J.V., who is the "A" team then? Who are the really elite terrorists if they -- no, no, no, let me finish. Who are the elite terrorists if these guys are J.G. -- J.V.? What do you consider being elite? Because they're beheading people. They're killing women; they're killing children. I just want to know: Who does it better than them?
BECKEL: I think this -- I think the Navy SEALs are elite. I think these guys are the J.V.
GUTFELD: Do you think they're stupid?
BECKEL: I think they're stupid. They're going through --swathing through these areas with no opposition whatsoever. Anybody could do that without...
TANTAROS: What do you mean opposition? They're not going to be able to take Baghdad. They'll get pushed back like they've never seen before.
BECKEL: Well, there you go. They're not that big a deal, are they?
TANTAROS: But they've been very successful at taking other regions.
BECKEL: Other regions because the Baghdad military, the Iraqi military has not been there to stop them. Has it?
PERINO: That is such a -- that is such a -- just a false way of looking at it, Bob.
BECKEL: Why is it false?
PERINO: I don't know who you're protecting. Are you trying to protect President Obama?
BECKEL: No. I'm not trying to protect anybody. I want to -- Obama - - Obama...
PERINO: How in the -- how in the world can you say that these people are J.V. when the defense secretary says it's a -- it's a terrorist group like the world has never seen?
BECKEL: Well, first of all, I think that -- I think that's vastly an overstatement.
PERINO: How do you know? The defense secretary sits there in the situation room every day. He gets all the information. And it's his job to say in front of the Marines what he thinks. I just want to know, like where do you get your information that you can tell the American people that it's not a big deal?
BECKEL: You give me this. You explain to me where the Iraqi military is.
PERINO: I don't care where the Iraqi military is.
BECKEL: Why don't you care? We spent $168 million to train them!
PERINO: Because it's not the subject. The subject is about...
BECKEL: Oh, come on.
PERINO: I can argue about the Iraqi -- you want to do the next segment...
BECKEL: It's not just...
PERINO: ... and talk about the Iraqi army? That's not what we're here to talk about.
BECKEL: Well, if you have a military and supposedly a tough bunch of people...
PERINO: No, they're not. OK.
BECKEL: ... and we don't have a single person up against them except for the United States Air Force, then of course they're going to march across. Once they hit resistance, they backed off.
PERINO: No, that is -- OK.
BECKEL: The Kurds drove them out of two towns. And they were driven out of a town yesterday.
PERINO: I'm sure the American people are very comforted to know that Bob thinks that the terrorists are not important, but the defense secretary thinks it's the worst terrorist organization the world has ever...
BECKEL: And do not walk down your street worried about your head is being chopped off. Please.
GUTFELD: Didn't they just take more towns in Syria?
BECKEL: What?
GUTFELD: They just took a couple more towns.
BECKEL: I'm talking about Iraq.
GUTFELD: Oh, OK.
PERINO: But they started in Syria. Hence the name, ISIS, in Syria.
BECKEL: I think they changed it. I think they changed it to...
PERINO: It all goes back to the president and his false red line in Syria.
BECKEL: I think it -- well, I agree with you on that. They called themselves the Islamic state. But I still want to know where the people with no guts, where the Iraqis are who will not fight.
GUTFELD: All right.
TANTAROS: It's a totally different thing, though.
BECKEL: We're tired of spending our money for your lousy soldiers who are not willing to fight.
GUTFELD: All right. OK, Bob. Here we go. President Obama is making a mysterious trip back to D.C. in the middle of his vacation. That was fun. It's shrouded in secrecy. But Dana thinks she might know what it's about, if she doesn't kill Bob during the break.
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PERINO: Bob and I made up. We're going to talk about something else now, because we all know President Obama likes his down time, and who can blame him? It looks like so much fun. So why is he breaking up his two- week vacation Sunday for just one meeting back in Washington? The White House keeps reminding us that the president can work from anywhere. Take a listen.
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ERIC SCHULTZ, WHITE HOUSE SPOKESMAN: The president is the president wherever he goes. He travels with a wide array of communications equipment. We also travel with a staff that allows us to have robust operational capabilities.
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PERINO: So we're left to speculate, and here's my thoughts. I think he's making a personnel announcement, something he could not do with the Martha's Vineyard backdrop behind him. A cabinet secretary resignation maybe, or perhaps something outside of his administration.
Bob, I want to give you a chance to agree with me here. I think it could be a Supreme Court resignation and a nomination. Something that will jam the midterm elections in the Democrats' favor as they make everyone worry that they're going to lose their birth control.
BECKEL: I -- I think you're on point on that. He said something, you know, in an interview about he thought that he would replace a Supreme Court justice in his term. Two years left. And we know that, at least in Ginsberg's case, she's very sick. So that wouldn't surprise me.
The other thing I hope he would say, without trying to rekindle this argument, is they're going to ask the Iraqis for the money back that we used to train their infamous army.
PERINO: Do you think he would go back to Washington to do that?
BECKEL: I would -- yes.
PERINO: You mentioned Ruth Bader Ginsberg. Let's take a listen to what she had to say just, like, three weeks ago.
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JUSTICE RUTH BADER GINSBERG, U.S. SUPREME COURT: I think people know that I'm here to stay. And my answer is, I will do this job as long as I can do it full steam.
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PERINO: OK, Andrea, that said, earlier this summer, I was at an event where a senator, a Democratic senator addressed a gathering, and he said, you better be really worried about Republicans taking over, because if Republicans take over President Obama won't be able to have his Supreme Court nominee of his choice. And you're going into a place where Senator Reid might not be in charge anymore. Do you think my theory is far- fetched, or perhaps in the realm of possibility?
TANTAROS: I think it's in the realm of possibility. And if you are correct, nothing will gin up the base, No. 1, which is what they need for a midterm election.
But No. 2, nothing will change the news cycle, and change the dialogue like something like this. And I believe everything the president's doing now is designed to manage the news cycle.
So exactly what we're doing in Iraq, trying to save these women and children. That is just an action designed to keep off the headlines as Obama did. There's women and children dying at the hands of terrorists. He does everything from foreign policy to domestic policy with the news cycle in mind. And that is why there's all this buzz. I mean, President Obama working on a Sunday, working on a Sunday. That really shouldn't be a typical headline.
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BECKEL: Those people are coming back down to the mountains, thanks to the United States military.
TANTAROS: But he wants us to sit around and talk about why he's actually working on a Sunday. We should just be like, "Oh, well, he's working. Who cares?"
PERINO: Is it an usual move, right, Eric? Do you think I'm being a conspiracy theorist?
BOLLING: No, not at all. I think you're 100 percent right. I think Andrea is right: the optics of it look good. He left Martha's Vineyard vacation where he's golfing. By the way, he left the golf course within minutes after that. Six minutes after that press conference.
BECKEL: So would you.
BOLLING: So I would think, I would love to think that he was coming back because, I don't know, ISIS is taking Iraq, our border agents are getting shot on the southern border, and you know, gas is four bucks a gallon. I would think that would be a good reason to come back. But that would mean he'd have to stay.
TANTAROS: Maybe he's releasing more terrorists.
BOLLING: Just one day, right?
PERINO: Just one day, and he was very specific, for a meeting with Biden. Greg, let's get your take on this. What do you think?
GUTFELD: It's always -- it's Occam's razor. You go to the most obvious. Why is he returning? He forgot his putter. Or he needs to do his laundry. Because you know when you go away for a month, it's always hard to figure out how much underwear to bring.
Here's the big story here. You saw the press spokesman. That wasn't Josh Earnest.
PERINO: No.
GUTFELD: Because Josh Earnest is out on paternity leave. And that's a piece of information I would like to put in a time machine and send back to our founders in 1776.
PERINO: Because they did not get paternity leave?
GUTFELD: Yes, they didn't. They would go, what?
PERINO: What is that?
GUTFELD: Awesome.
BECKEL: Let's go back to another thought that you had a couple days ago. I would not be -- I wouldn't fall off my chair if -- first of all, the Supreme Court nominee, the balance would still be 5-4.
PERINO: Correct.
BECKEL: Secondly, it may be Kerry.
PERINO: It also could be Eric Holder. Right? Because Eric Holder is saying he might not stay for the rest of the term.
BECKEL: Yes.
PERINO: And so Eric Holder...
BECKEL: Whoever it is is...
PERINO: A Supreme Court nominee, and then...
BECKEL: Now, that may be exactly right.
GUTFELD: It could be an "Entourage" marathon.
PERINO: Thank you, Bob.
BECKEL: That would be a brilliant move, too.
PERINO: All right. We're going to move on. Is it time for a woman to make a debut on a U.S. dollar bill?
GUTFELD: No.
PERINO: Would you vote for it if it ever came to pass? We're going to tell you who we picked next.
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BECKEL: President Obama originally said he was open to the idea of finally putting a female face on American paper money. Eric's been opposed to this for a long time. With so many great choices, particularly from the last century, we thought we might have a little fun and pick the ones we'd like to go first. My two choices would be Eleanor Roosevelt and Rosa Parks.
BOLLING: That's it? Why?
BECKEL: What do you mean why? Why Eleanor Roosevelt? Probably the strongest woman, first lady there ever was. And Rosa Parks, because she had more courage than any 200 million men in America.
TANTAROS: I was going to say Nancy Reagan.
BECKEL: Eric.
BOLLING: OK. So, the -- the idea that you have a prominent American female. So I said Hillary Clinton first, but she's already on a Bill, right? Ayn Rand.
BECKEL: You're wrong about that.
BOLLING: I'm sorry. Ayn Rand. Some people say "ind," some people say "Ann." I just...
BECKEL: Isn't she dead?
BOLLING: Yes, but she's being...
BECKEL: Good. That would mean she won't be the only Republican on the Supreme Court.
BOLLING: Well, I'm trying to embrace the libertarian movement ad best I can.
PERINO: I went with Willa Cather. I went a little unconventional. She's a great...
BECKEL Willa Cather?
PERINO: Do you know Willa Cather?
BECKEL: Did they make the catheter?
PERINO: The great American author. And she wrote one of the best American novels, "Death Comes for the Archbishop." And I think that women who can express themselves at that point in really great literature at that point had an impact on America.
BECKEL: There you go.
All right. Here we go. This is going to be.
GUTFELD: I'm just amazed they didn't put these people on a bill. I'm just absolutely shocked. That's the whole point of this segment was to show -- oh, we can't do that with money? They just told me it's against the law.
BOLLING: You're having a conversation with...
GUTFELD: I apologize. By the way, why does this have to be about gender? Why does it have to be a human? I suggest a manatee. Nature's sea cow. This one in particular is neither male nor female. It's a quasi- hermaphrodite. And we skirt past all these issues.
TANTAROS: It's cute(ph).
GUTFELD: It's cute. It's an adorable sea cow. Hello, sea cow.
"Hello, Greg."
BECKEL: Andrea, you're up.
TANTAROS: Can I discuss it about this segment? We've done some really ridiculous segments on this show. The most ridiculous is what kind of underpants you wear. But this takes the cake.
Are we really debating would replace G.W. with and throw George on the ash heap of history for some female or male or whoever?
WASHINGTON: Who else is on -- who else is on the bill?
TANTAROS: This is crazy. I think we need our head examined.
BECKEL: Who else is on the bill except George Washington? Jefferson...
PERINO: Wasn't it on any bill?
TANTAROS: I'll stick with G. Dubs.
BECKEL: Is Hoover on one of the bills?
GUTFELD: He had a wig.
BECKEL: He could be replaced.
GUTFELD: He had a wig. He was clearly a cross dresser.
TANTAROS: President Obama is getting -- another distraction to manage the news cycle. Who should we put on the dollar? What women should we have? And we're just falling into it.
PERINO: We can talk about the Iraqi army.
BECKEL: Yes. Or we could put the -- I was going to say we put -- never mind.
OK. "One More Thing" is up next.
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BOLLING: All righty. Time for "One More Thing". I'll start it off.
I love the Sunday talk shows. I absolutely love all of them. I'm a political junky. "Meet the Press" is one of my favorites. Porter said I should get a life.
However, today it was announced David Gregory is being replaced on "Meet the Press." That's with Chuck Todd. Chuck Todd is on the left there, the White House -- senior NBC White House correspondent for years. So we'll take a look. We'll see what's going on right there, 6 1/2 years after that.
Let's take a look at David Gregory's good-bye tweet, if you don't mind. Pull it up. It says -- wee now, it's smaller. Can you just read it? There it goes. "I leave NBC as I came, humbled and grateful. I love journalism and serving as moderator of 'Meet the Press' was the highest honor there is."
So good luck, David, on your future, wherever you're headed and look forward to...
TANTAROS: Can I just make a recommendation?
BECKEL: You put they could put Ichabod Crane in for...
TANTAROS: No, that's not nice. I would suggest Chuck Todd get rid of the goatee.
BECKEL: Yes, exactly.
TANTAROS: I think he looks more handsome.
BOLLING: Like "putting on a tie, Bolling." Go ahead, Bob, you're up.
BECKEL: Robin Williams' wife announced that, besides his -- his depression -- and that he was sober at the time this happened. That he was suffering from early Parkinson's Disease.
That does not surprise me, since most alcoholics develop Parkinson's Disease or some form of dementia early in their life. So it's not surprising at all; it's not a big revelation.
BOLLING: Dana, you're up.
PERINO: All right. Remember the most transparent White House in history claim? Well, this is interesting.
Forty-seven of the 73 inspectors general -- these are the independent people that inspect the departments and do all the oversight -- they wrote a letter, 47 of them signed it, saying that they are concerned because they are not able to actually get any documents from the administration in cooperation from agencies such as the EPA. And not just the EPA, but many of the other ones.
But I also thought it was interesting, Bob, that they -- the EPA, Justice Department and the Peace Corps is one of the worst. I don't know why the Peace Corps is one of them.
BOLLING: Got to move it along. Greg, you're up.
GUTFELD: Let's ban a phrase today. And it is, "hug it out." This is one of the worst phrases ever.
BOLLING: Thank God!
GUTFELD: Ever, ever. It came from the worst show in history called "Entourage," which is responsible for all bro humor of the last ten years. All of these people are has-beens, including Adrian Grenier. It happens to be President Obama's favorite show, which says everything. Hug it out.
BOLLING: I am so, so happy you did that.
GUTFELD: Terrible song. Terrible.
BOLLING: All right, Ands. Yours.
TANTAROS: Yesterday a number of us FOX gals got to get together and send off our beautiful, beloved colleague, Jenna Lee right there in the middle with the belly. She's going off to maternity leave, and she doesn't know if she's having a boy or girl. So there is the group yesterday.
You see Janice, Laura, Harris. You recognize a lot of faces. There's Jenna with her baby gear from FNC. I'm kissing the bump there. The baby whisperer, Harris called me.
And there is Laura Ingle, who is a butt-kicking machine when it comes to baby games. I failed miserably. There's Kennedy. She had a very funny birthing story that she shared, which is hilarious.
And best of luck to Jenna and thank you to Colori (ph) Tavern for doing such a great job. We wish Jenna the best. And tweet me, boy or girl, what do you think?
BECKEL: And may her husband make it through the procedure.
TANTAROS: Oh, because he has to suffer a lot?
BOLLING: Set your DVRs. Don't ever miss an episode of "The Five." "Special Report" on deck. We're going to see you here tomorrow.
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