Sebelius claims ObamaCare website 'has never crashed'

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," October 30, 2013. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: This is a Fox News alert.

Congress wrapping up a big day on Capitol Hill today. In the hot seat, a woman some are calling the most hated woman in America. Kathleen Sebelius grilled on the Hill today. Her testimony was distracted and at times arrogant. To some, she seemed tee didn't want to be there.

But it was this that caught our attention. Remember, when you take the stand in Congress, you raise your right hand and swear to tell the truth.


KATHLEEN SEBELIUS, HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES SECRETARY: The Web site has never crashed. It is functional but at a very slow speed and very low reliability, and has continued to function.


BOLLING: Well, that caught the attention of Texas Congressman Pete Olson who drilled holes through that claim just moments later. Listen.


REP. PETE OLSON (R), TEXAS: The program has crashed and burned at least three times and the user is still having problems.

Get up here, ma'am.

It's been down the whole time you've been testifying. The system is down at this moment.


BOLLING: OK. So, we're going to dig into all that and a whole lot more from today's testimony.

But before we do that, we want you to join our discussion. Right now, we want every one of you to attempt to log into the Web site, click through it a few times if you can and tell us exactly what happened. We're going to be monitoring your responses throughout the show and read several of them tonight on live TV. Send your experiences, the good, the bad or the ugly to or tweet us the hashtag, #thefive.

Now, back to Madam Secretary Sebelius not crashed -- really? Ands, it was down all day. When I left the office, it was still down.

ANDREA TANTAROS, CO-HOST: Yes, she didn't explain what the problems were. You think she would know and she would be able to say, OK, we've troubled shot these couple problems. We'll have them fixed by this time.

No, it was down her entire testimony.

Then, she was asked multiple times if she would go into the exchanges and, Eric, her response was that would be illegal.

By the way, it's not illegal, Madam Secretary, for you to go into the exchange.

Then, she was asked if the president is to blame if the buck stops with her boss. Her response was: whatever.

She couldn't answer any of the questions. I thought it was a terrible testimony.

But again, Obama using a woman in his cabinet as a human shield -- not shocking.

BOLLING: All right. By the way, we'll get a lot of that sound on tape in a couple of minutes. But, Bob, go ahead, your thoughts on Sebelius' testimony today.

BOB BECKEL, CO-HOST: Well, all I can say again on this day is -- free at last, free at last. Good God Almighty, free at last.

BOLLING: What do you mean? What do you mean, Bob?

BECKEL: I'm not for this.

BOLLING: You're washing your hands --

BECKEL: I'm for a single-payer plan. No.

Let me say this about it. If I were Sebelius, I would not have gone up there today. Not in that kind of environment. You got these guys, these Republican congressmen who got their staff gives them all these questions, the horrible things. You know, you're going to expect it, so why go do it.

But yesterday I said -- when I was I was for single-payer, you said, really? What about Medicare, $200 billion in fraud --

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: Your imitation of Eric.


BECKEL: Sort of like that.

The study with Blue Cross -- Blue Cross Blue Shield association said in private insurance, there's $226 billion a year in waste, fraud and abuse. How did they know that?

BOLLING: But they eat that. Private companies eat the waste, fraud and abuse.

BECKEL: Really?

BOLLING: In the government, we the taxpayer, eat that.

BECKEL: Oh, I see.

BOLLING: Roll that thing back up and use it for something else.

BECKEL: It shows what the insurance companies are up to.

BOLLING: Dana, Kathleen Sebelius, we'll get into what she actually was saying, but her demeanor bothered a lot of people.

PERINO: OK, maybe I'm -- yes, I think there were some things to quibble about with her hearing, but I thought she did pretty well. I mean, her tone in most of the things, especially initially, she was -- she took responsibility. She was gracious.

And she didn't have any moments where she completely erupted. That one part is embarrassing when she says don't do this to me, which we're going to talk about. Yes, that was embarrassing. The inside voice that you shouldn't use.

But I didn't think it was disastrous. I would have given her a C.


PERINO: C is passing, right, Bob?

BECKEL: I'd give her a B for performance.


BOLLING: I'll weigh in with an F. But go ahead, Greg, your thoughts.

BECKEL: Of course, you would.

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: One thing that annoyed me throughout this thing was -- well, I think we put this thing together to show you what I'm talking about.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Secretary Sebelius, thank you so very much for coming today.

UNIDENTIFEID FEMALE: Thank you, Madam Secretary, for being here.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Madam Secretary, thanks for being with us today.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Welcome, Honorable Secretary. Thank you for fielding our questions.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Madam Secretary, thanks for your time.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Thank you, Madam Secretary, for testifying today.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Thank you for being here with us today.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Thank you, Secretary, for being here today.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Thank you for being with us today, Madam Secretary.


GUTFELD: Why? Why are we thanking her for doing her damn job?

PERINO: It's just polite.

GUTFELD: No, it's not. Thanking her implies that she's doing you a favor by showing up. That's what she's supposed to do. She -- that's stupid.

BECKEL: You had too much chocolate.

BOLLING: I gave her an "F" for honestly not telling the truth in that first sound bite, saying that the Web site didn't crash. For God's sake, it's been down more than it's been up.

Sebelius seemed annoyed and perturbed a lot today. Here's a SOT montage with some of her reactions to congressional questioning.


SEBELIUS: I chose the open enrollment date. I don't know where that quote comes from but that is not from me.

Sir, the way the law is written --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's a yes or no. Let's say that you're wrong on that. Yes or no, if your wrong --

SEBELIUS: I don't want to give misinformation to the American public who may be --


SEBELIUS: I don't want to give misinformation.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I want you to go home and research, if you're wrong, will you go into the exchanges?

SEBELIUS: I -- if I'm wrong --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If you can, will you? That's a yes or no. If you can, will you, ma'am?

SEBELIUS: I will take a look at it. I don't have any idea --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That's not an answer. That's not a yes or no.

SEBELIUS: You clearly -- whatever. Yes, he is the president. He is responsible for government programs.


BOLLING: So we had a real glitch at the beginning of the sound.

BECKEL: I thought she showed some patience against these idiotic questions these people asked. They're all political.

You want that guy to be the representative of the Republican Party?

BOLLING: I want some answers, Bob.

BECKEL: Those are all written by their staff. These guys have about as much idea --


BECKEL: Get out of here!

BOLLING: Whatever, she said whatever. Really, whatever? Six hundred million bucks, whatever?

TANTAROS: I think the best comment on Twitter was -- this is the new what difference does it make, so now we'll just call it whatever care. Whatever.

That's why as much as she didn't have a meltdown, she didn't do anything horrific, I'm with you, Eric, there was nothing truly factual about her testimony. She didn't come armed with numbers.

Now, in defense of you, Bob, I will agree with you, the members and their questions, I think they pushed her a little -- a little too much. I think it's very tough to go negative on a woman and that's why they sent her up there. I do think at times they seemed like they were pushing her and it was very easy for her to sit there and answer.

BECKEL: Were you embarrassed by some of these guys?

TANTAROS: At times, yes.

BOLLING: What --

GUTFELD: You know what, they're politicians. They're clumsy, weird people on both sides.

By the way, Bob, she had a lot of preparation as well. I mean, look, the thing that got me was that when she said that they have no reliable data on enrollment, it shows you how government measures success is by not measuring success, because once -- you cannot measure something that does not exist. If you have the measurements, you see that you fail.

And also she fell on her Chanel sword. She took the blame because you cannot blame god and in the cult of Obama, Obama is God. She cannot say it's his fault. It's harder to get out of the cult of Obama than Scientology.

BOLLING: Dana, do you want to weigh in on this? I want to respond to Bob.

PERINO: Go ahead.

BOLLING: So, embarrassed by this congressman asking tough questions? And kind of get -- I have to tell you, Bob, they were asking the questions that our audience wanted answers to. They were probably embodying our audience or a good portion of America.

BECKEL: Would you like to go to a party with some of those people?

BOLLING: Maybe not.

But we don't send our tax -- we work hard and send our tax money in and then they waste it the way Sebelius and the rest of the bozos in D.C. are doing --

BECKEL: I'll tell you -- from the chairman on down on the Republican side, man, I have not -- except for Ryan, I have yet to see one that, they know --


BOLLING: Bob, they put this Web site online October 1st and it wasn't ready and spent a lot of Americans' tax money doing it.

BECKEL: I'm not for it, I'm not for it. I'm for single-payer. We wouldn't have this problem.

BOLLING: Should have had a nice easy questioning, a nice day, afternoon on the Hill today?

BECKEL: No, but have some people with intelligence asking some questions.

BOLLING: All right. Dana, this is the thing you pointed out earlier. Check out this movement, Sebelius frustration on a hot mike -- caught on a hot mike.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I have a unanimous consent request. I'd like -- Madam Secretary --

SEBELIUS: Don't do this to me.


BOLLING: Your thoughts?

PERINO: Well, I don't know what she's referring to. Is she referring to her staff trying to give her something at the time?

I can understand that. Like if the producer would be yelling something in your ear right now, which he's not. But you could say something like, what are you doing to me? I got this. I can handle it.

I do think that if you were just coming in to watch the hearing, you're dipping in and out as an American, you're listening to this, you want her to be able to answer the question. I mean, she is a guest of the committee, so I think that's why they thank her. That's why they say let's try to get some real answers.

But if you don't allow her to answer the question and you're just firing questions -- that's why people get disgusted with politics and with Republicans, frankly.

BECKEL: You selectively edit that. She was talking to her staff, she was talking to her staff and the staff might have said, hey, we want you to do another hearing. She said don't do that to me. And then she turns around and address the Congress.

BOLLING: Maybe the staff member said, Madam Secretary, you're completely wrong on what you just said.

BECKEL: Well, fine. But you don't know what it is, but we presenting it as if it's a fact.


BOLLING: They do.

BECKEL: Well, that's right. But I wouldn't put it up there as an edit.

BOLLING: Well, it's my block.

BECKEL: I understand that. It's your block, that's my point.


GUTFELD: No, whenever something bad happens, it's always out of context, you know? That was not -- that was, believe it or not, Bob, in context. It was, it was. I watched it live.

They had three and a half years to build this thing and their excuse seems to be they need more time. That's like saying a cure for cancer is more cancer.

This thing is a boondoggle. And theme here is, looking back in hindsight, emphasis on hind, because they're all buttheads.

BOLLING: Can we do this? We have one more sound bite. Can I roll this one?

And this is Kathleen Sebelius apologizing, taking blame, but I've got to ask when you listen to this, does this sound genuine to you? Listen.


SEBELIUS: I am as frustrated and angry as anyone with the flawed launch of So let me say directly to these Americans, you deserve better. I apologize.


PERINO: OK. Here's my problem with that. Everything -- why couldn't she have just looked into the camera and said that, or looked the members in the eyes and said that? When you have to read an apology like that, it does seem insincere.

TANTAROS: Especially based on her comments last week. Those arrogant comments where she says, well, I don't work for the people that criticize me. I don't work for them. Clearly, it was written into her remarks.

And I go back to again the Hillary Clinton's testimony where she said, the buck stops with me, but -- when you say "I'm sorry, but," it negates the apology. She said, I'm sorry, but what difference does it make.

I'm shocked, Eric, that she did not anticipate or her staff -- actually I'm not really surprised based on how this has been rolled out -- did not anticipate the question of will you enroll on your own and have a better answer. The numbers of how many people you expect, she didn't answer the questions. She filibustered. I understand that these members have a short amount of time to get their questions in so they're jamming it all in and they looked like they were machine gun rapid firing her, but she had no answers for them. That's why I think her testimony was pitiful.

BECKEL: In many cases, the short capacity to ask questions.

The -- if you don't mind me saying so, she made the decision to apologize, right? So they write it into her speech, or her (INAUDIBLE). So at least the intent was there.

PERINO: But, Bob, when you have to apologize on "The Five" for certain things, you do it from the heart, you don't have to write, oh, I'm really sorry.


BOLLING: I'm not sure that's enough. If she says the buck stops here and I'll take full accountability for it, I think that means I -- I need to leave. I need to step down.

GUTFELD: But the buck doesn't stop with her, the buck stops with President Obama and ultimately, liberalism which creates this destructive law.

It's not about firing Sebelius, it's about firing the left. At one point, this Democratic congressman from Pennsylvania, I can't think of his name, said that being against ObamaCare at the start disqualifies you from criticizing this disastrous rollout.

On the contrary, it just proves that everybody who was critical was right.

BECKEL: Everybody on the left, pack your bags. We're all leaving.

GUTFELD: They're the only people creating laws that don't work.


BOLLING: We've got to leave it there.

Has President O. been lying about his signature law from the get-go? A prominent fact-checker gave the claim "you can keep your insurance" four Pinocchios. What else has the president misled the public about? We've got a list.

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TANTAROS: Well, President Obama just wrapped up a speech preaching ObamaCare in Faneuil Hall in Boston. He's trying to do some damage control after an awful month of implementation.

Now, as we told you yesterday, millions of Americans are being booted from their plans despite Obama's repeated claims that that wouldn't happen.


BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: If you like your health care plan, you'll be able to keep your health carry plan, period. If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor, period.


TANTAROS: Well, "The Washington Post" fact checker just gave that whopper four Pinnochios, the highest rating, also known as a lie.

But this isn't the first time the president hasn't been honest about what's in his legislation. Remember this?


GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS, ABC NEWS: That may be, but it's still a tax increase.

OBAMA: No, that's not true, George. The -- for us to say that you've got to take a responsibility to get health insurance is absolutely not a tax increase.

STEPHANOPOULOS: Merriam Webster's dictionary. Tax, a charge usually of money imposed by authority on persons or property for public purposes.

OBAMA: George, the fact that you looked up Merriam's Dictionary the definition of tax increase indicates to me that you're stretching a little bit right now.

STEPHANOPOULOS: But you reject that it's a tax increase?

OBAMA: I absolutely reject that notion.


TANTAROS: All right. Well, lucky for Obama and maybe not the rest of us, the Supreme Court upheld the law by ruling that it was in fact a tax.

So, Bob, the biggest lie of the week -- we talked about yesterday about how people could keep their doctor and stay on their plans, that's not proving to be true.

Another thing that's coming down the pike, how about all the people that work for employers that are going to be out of insurance in a year when that employer mandate delay runs out? That's going to be millions more. And people are missing that huge story.

BECKEL: Well, if we had single payer, you wouldn't worry about that. But let me say this about ObamaCare. The percentage of people who fit that category are minuscule compared to the whole 300 million of them.

TANTAROS: Oh, no, no.

BECKEL: But leaving that aside, if the insurance companies said to this people, you can keep your -- we won't change your plan, they could have kept their plan exactly it was. But the insurance companies changed their plans and then, when the time they were no longer grandfathered because the insurance companies purposely and maliciously changed their plans and made a lot of money of them.

PERINO: Honestly.

BECKEL: Honestly, what?

GUTFELD: Number one, the grandfather status was so slim only a few people could stay on that cliff. That's why everybody had to change.

And the idea that somehow the government was not responsible in these canceled plans, they created the requirements that caused the plans to be canceled.

And, by the way, and the most important thing is, now that the plans are canceled, people like you are saying, "Well, you know what, those plans, they weren't very good anyway." So you know better about my plan than I do. That's like when someone runs over your dog and says, sorry, but, you know, he was old.

BECKEL: Well, that woman in Florida, for example --

GUTFELD: The bimbo?


GUTFELD: The bimbo you called? You called her a bimbo yesterday?

BECKEL: If she had a problem and went to the hospital --

TANTAROS: I want to stay on the lies because there's been quite a few of them.

Eric, another lie was that --

GUTFELD: Bimbo is a strong word, Bob.

BECKEL: No, not as strong as a lie.

TANTAROS: This would not add a dime to the deficit. This would actually lower the deficit. In fact, it was found out this would add $180 billion to the deficit in the first ten years, another mistruth by the president.

BOLLING: And it being $1.8 trillion, so he was tenfold off.

But honestly, that sound bite -- I forgot about Stephanopoulos when Obama insisted that ObamaCare wasn't going to be a tax. If you didn't have ObamaCare, you weren't going to get taxed and the only way it became a law is for the Supreme Court to go around the Constitution and call it a tax instead of a fee or a fine.

BECKEL: Where did you get your trillion dollar figure from?

BOLLING: It's CBO -- $1.8 trillion is the latest.

BECKEL: If nothing else happens, if it goes --

BOLLING: $1.8 trillion and by guess, Bob, it will be at least double that amount.

BECKEL: What if it works?

TANTAROS: Let me ask you this, Bob, name one entitlement that's actually saved money ever.

BECKEL: They're not meant to save money. Social Security probably saves a little money.

TANTAROS: But this was supposed to save us money, remember?

BECKEL: You don't know whether it's going to do it or not.

TANTAROS: All right. Another lie, another lie, the president said this would actually lower premiums by $2,500. Remember this?


OBAMA: We estimate we can cut average family's premium by about $2,500 per year.

I'm actually not interested in just capping premiums. I want to lower premiums, by an average of $2,500 per family per year.

We will start by reducing premiums by as much as $2,500 per family.

It's time to bring down the typical family premium by $2,500. It's time to bring down the costs for the entire country.


TANTAROS: Now, Dana, premiums have gone up minimum $2,500 per family, and average the Heritage Foundation estimates they're at $16,500 per family right now.

PERINO: Not only that, but people are finding out that their deductible is going to be much higher. So that's the amount that you have to pay out of pocket up until a certain amounting before your insurance kicks in. That actually, for a lot of people, that has been the shocking thing in addition to the premium increase.

I agree. I think on the employer mandate, the reason they extended that for a year is because they were hearing from businesses, it was unworkable. They needed more time. The individual actually is the one that ends up getting that word, the s-word, by the administration.

And I think it is quite despicable that people who were responsible, they were buying plans on the open market, they didn't have employers or unions and they weren't getting a subsidy from the government, they were buying insurance on their own because they were trying to be responsible people. They are treated with such disrespect by the liberals and this lie.

You get four Pinocchios from "The Washington Post" -- look, I agree. But isn't better late than never for the media to notice this? I actually think that it's actually worse.

BECKEL: Can you explain to me how you get a $2,500 increase or whatever you say it averages when ObamaCare is not in effect? I mean, it's just --

TANTAROS: Bob, the provisions -- let me answer that. A lot of the provisions that you love to champion and tout are expensive --

BECKEL: Preexisting conditions, right.

TANTAROS: -- are expensive.

GUTFELD: Paternity care for men, I'm for that.

BECKEL: There's only a couple.

TANTAROS: They have been in effect. They took effect right away. And so, they are causing --

BECKEL: The insurance companies had to raise money that much.

TANTAROS: Yes, if you have a bunch of sick people in the system and you know healthy people aren't going to sign up, and they're not.

BECKEL: The insurance bus is coming. Screw ya!

BOLLING: Let me ask you a really stupid question, maybe you can help me out. All these people are getting thrown across their policies, right? Across the country, they're getting thrown out.

They're hoping on November 30th -- this Web site will be working. They're hoping. If it doesn't, let's say it's November 30th or after that, all these people, what are they going to do? They're not going to have health insurance as of January 1st. Are they going to get fined for not having health insurance? What's the plan?

Is there an alternate plan for those people?

BECKEL: Yes, on November 2nd, if you don't have it November 2nd let's put in a single payer plan and you get it done.

BOLLING: No, no, your plan --


PERINO: Like in reality.

BOLLING: Does the government -- does our government, does ObamaCare and Obama and Sebelius, do they have a plan for all the people without health care?

BECKEL: I have no idea. First of all, the number of people you're talking about is vastly overstated. Secondly, let's see what happens November 30th.

BOLLING: What if it's 10 million, Bob? Ten million people without insurance and/or getting fined is vastly overstated and bad?

BECKEL: Well, there's 30 million right now that don't have it.

PERINO: But these were responsible people paying for it out of their own pocket after taxes and they're treated terribly.

TANTAROS: And the plans fit them. It fit their needs. As you point out, it wasn't maternity care for 58-year-old men. It wasn't all of these benefits people need. They could choose what plan they liked. And if they didn't like, they can choose another one.

Now, they're being booted off. They're not able to get new health care. When they try and log on, it's more expensive.

And, Greg, I'm convinced we ain't seen nothing yet. When this employer mandate finally expires, and I bet a bunch of employers have already started to cut a lot of people watching out there, just in anticipation of the mandate running out in about a year.

GUTFELD: Well, it's a testament to your achievement that it's so bad that you must trick people into it, because that's all this is.

Bob, you're right. It's about chaos becoming order and that order is the single-payer system. That's why nobody on the left really cares. They enjoy this destruction. They think it's great.

By the way, when you saw the audience today in Boston, they were applauding a disaster. Imagine if ObamaCare was a success, it would have been a scene from Caligula.

BECKEL: How would you know? We don't know yet it's a success or not. And how do you know that this is going to be disastrous? I mean, we don't know yet. Do you really know?


BECKEL: You read your crystal ball?

TANTAROS: Yes, I do. It's already proving to be a disaster.


BOLLING: I know we've got to go, but there's gold, silver -- platinum, sold, silver and bronze plans. As you go down the ladder, as you go down the ladder, your deductibles and co-pays explode. They go from a couple thousand up to some cases $6,000, $7,000. Families are going to have to eat $6,000, $7,000 of just deductible.

BECKEL: If everybody was in the exchanges it would be lower than that.

BOLLING: When they realize that, they're going to realize that it's no good.

TANTAROS: That's the problem, Bob, it took years and millions of dollars to get people to sign up in Massachusetts that had the lowest uninsured rate to begin with. Millions of dollars to get healthy people to sign up.

BECKEL: It's working in Massachusetts now, though, right?

TANTAROS: Not that great.

GUTFELD: To Bob's point, President Obama's mantra was this is never going to be easy. Revolution never is. It's why fundamental change means that it can be hard, which essentially excuses the debt that occurred in the 20th century. It's all about revolution, and revolution is hard.

TANTAROS: All right. Coming up --

BECKEL: I'm sorry.

TANTAROS: Sorry, Bob. They're yanking me.

Sean Penn slams the Tea Party and thinks Ted Cruz should be institutionalized, perhaps a compliment to Cruz considering the source. We'll show you that tape.

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Or if your employer dropped your coverage, I'd like to know that personally.

BECKEL: Personally, really?

TANTAROS: We're coming right back.


BECKEL: Millions of people like that. You'll be overwhelmed.


GUTFELD: Sean Penn was on a local cable access program recently, interviewed by a mangy kitten, where he said that the Tea Party were rubes and Ted Cruz should be institutionalized. Behold the vile.


SEAN PENN, ACTOR: Let's go to the Tea Party influence on Congress. I think they have -- there's a mental health problem in Congress. This would be solved by committing them by executive order, I think, because these are American brothers and sisters. We shouldn't be criticizing them, attacking them. This is a cry for help.

PIERS MORGAN, CNN: Literally commit people like Ted Cruz?

PENN: He's my American brother. We should take care of him. He's in trouble.

MORGAN: Actually have him committed?

PENN: I think it's a good idea.


GUTFELD: But moments later, this furious self tanner admonishes Americans for saying nasty things about each other.


PENN: Between an uneducated people and the solipsism of people like Ted Cruz and their party, it's a poisonous thing. Here's this country where we have it all. We have it all to make it great and we find ways of self destructing. And by saying nasty things about each other and being crazy.


GUTFELD: Wow, that's either amnesia or great cocaine. I put money on the coke.

But he's kidding. And this is humor among the left. The Tea Party, they're so stupid. The takeaway is how desperate Penn has become to maintain his cool cred in Hollywood.

Remember, Penn has always fashioned himself a rebel, yet his pronouncements are so mundane, so lockstep, that he shares DNA with sheep. Ribbing on the Tea Party is just lame dialogue, cut from a bad Woody Allen flick. It's so hopelessly boring.

How hilarious is it that the Tea Party is edgier than Sean Penn? They're fighting the man. He's just spooning him. And it reeks of distress from an aging bad boy who's just gone bad in a spoiled lettuce sort of way. No wonder he O.D.'ed on bronzer.

What do you expect? Hollywood is home to fake rebels who bash Americans to preserve their status with a dollop of phony concern to mask their lack of depth.

The urge to limit intrusive government is considered insane and amassing crippling debt isn't. It's more a sign of insanity than anything. But I'd never suggest Penn be committed, for he already lives in Hollywood.

BOLLING: Can you O.D. on self tanner?

GUTFELD: Yes, you can O.D. on self tanner. Remember the New Jersey mom?


BECKEL: Eric, can you or not? We want to know.

BOLLING: I don't know.

GUTFELD: It's frightening.

Dana, what is it about the principle like limited government that freaks out Hollywood? Don't you think that that's like the ultimate rebellious stance? Like you fighting this giant blob of government, which is something that they actually embrace?

PERINO: It's strange because I think that he actually really believes in some of the things that he's saying, except when the tax man comes to them, they always try to find another way to get around it. If the tax man is coming to provide them credits, like tax credits in order to make movies somewhere, fine.

You know what, the first thing that he would do is he'd leave America in a second to go film a movie if it was -- if they were going to pay him. The mental health problem seems to me to be -- to rest with him.

And Ted Cruz, thank goodness he's a good sport because if you want to make fun of the Tea Party, you've got to say something about Ted Cruz and you can get on television.


BOLLING: Harvard Law graduate Ted Cruz on one hand, or Sean Penn who hangs out with Fidel Castro, Evo Morales and Hugo Chavez, three leftist dictators, I'll take Ted Cruz.

Remember Bon Jovi. He was for socialized everything and we find out that he had a farm with a few beans on it so he could get the tax credit, zero tax on his farm. They're all the same until it's their money.

PERINO: All the same.

BECKEL: I'm outraged, the attack on my man, Teddy Cruz. I think Penn deserves on the (INAUDIBLE) -- first of all, I will say this about Cruz.

Dershowitz said he was the best student over 40 years at Harvard. The guy is obviously very smart, no question about that. Of course coming from me that's saying something.

But don't attack Teddy. He's got -- he's working hard for this ticket.

GUTFELD: Yes, Andrea, isn't it weird how people who play rebels on film are such mindless followers in life.

TANTAROS: Hey, wait, Spicoli was a great role for him to play.

GUTFELD: Best role.

TANTAROS: That was his best role. He's going downhill soon.

Yes, he did Pinky (ph) --

GUTFELD: First movie.


TANTAROS: It's a little -- Dana's right -- I think of projection. He's projecting his own insecurities about not really being very stable on Ted Cruz.

But again, where's the courage by Piers Morgan to actually challenge him on what the Tea Party stands for. Ask Penn to do something besides just name call.

GUTFELD: Wait, that was Piers Morgan?

TANTAROS: That was Piers Morgan.

PERINO: That's why he said committed.

GUTFELD: Oh, oh, I haven't seen him in years. But neither has America.

TANTAROS: But shouldn't he have asked the question, what about them is so threatening? Can you actually iterate for us what the Tea Party stands for? He couldn't do it.

GUTFELD: Yes. No, he couldn't.

All right. We've got to move on. By the way, I just watched Sean Penn's last movie called "This Must Be the Place", might be the worst movie I've ever seen. You have to -- just look at it for five minutes and it will make you throw up.

The 2014 Winter Olympic Games are in Russia in less than 100 days away. I'm counting. There's Bob. And the best athlete to test out some events. Stay tuned for the Olympic feed of trying to get Bob to be active -- right in there (ph).


BECKEL: 2014 winter Olympics will be in Sochi, Russia, 99 days from now.

Yesterday in Times Square, they held a big event to mark the 100-day countdown called "The Road to Sochi."

A lot of athletes on Team USA were there, along with former Olympians. I went to check out as a former Olympian and see if I could compete with the best of the best.



BECKEL: Folks, this is Bob Beckel reporting for "The Five."

We're here reporting on "The Road to Sochi." Now, you might wonder what Sochi is. It is Japanese seafood.

But it is also -- Sochi is in Russia, where they're going to hold this.

You were a 1998 gold medal winner, is that right?


BECKEL: You're going Sochi, right?


BECKEL: Have you ever been to Sochi?

LIPINSKI: I have never been to Russia.

BECKEL: Oh, you haven't?

LIPINSKI: No, I'm excited.

BECKEL: It's a dump. But no, it's not. St. Petersburg is nice.

How do you call jump in those things at the same time?

JAZMINE FENLATOR: It's finesse. A lot of speed and be fearless.

BECKEL: Let me ask you this question, how fast do those things go?

FENLATOR: I've hit up to 90 miles per hour.



BECKEL: Are you on this team?

LOUIE VITO: I'm trying. I was on 2010. I went to the 2010 Olympics. I'm trying for this one. But we haven't started our qualifying process.

BECKEL: Were you on "Dancing with the Stars"?

VITO: I was.

BECKEL: Really?

VITO: Yes.

BECKEL: Did you win?

VITO: No, they were haters on me over there.

BECKEL: They're all rigged.

VITO: Those judges --

BECKEL: Do you watch "The Five"?

VITO: I've seen "The Five."

BECKEL: Oh, you have?

VITO: Yes.

BECKEL: Thank you, man.

I put him in a hospital ward.

I thought it was called hurling, but it's curling, right?


BECKEL: OK, good. Brings me back to my drinking days.

You versus me?


BECKEL: OK, good. I'll bet you a buck.

Are you kidding me?

Watch my form. Watch everything I do and you'll be fine.

I win. Hey, give me -- you take (EXPLETIVE DELETED) and I'm going to break your face with it.


BECKEL: It was less dangerous when I took drugs. Oh, yes, oh, yes, sure. OHH, good idea. Get out of the way, you're going to get killed.


BECKEL: Nothing but the best. Are you kidding me?


BECKEL: Anyway --

PERINO: Bravo, Bob. That was great.

BECKEL: I was impressed with the athletes. That one dude, the snowboarding guy was very fun. He and I together said they have one line they use --

PERINO: Life is good?

BECKEL: No, no, no, the Olympians all use this line like going -- not going for the gold.

PERINO: Do you have any steroids?

BECKEL: There were plenty of them there.

But, no, they're going -- but whoever thought of going to Sochi? You know, it's very near Chernobyl. Did you know that, Eric?

BOLLING: No, but I think, can you do the real Sochi Olympics?

BECKEL: No, man, I'm not going. I'm not going.

BOLLING: That was a great piece.

BECKEL: Thanks, I appreciate that.

My ankles hurt this morning and my knees, thighs.

BOLLING: How's your butt?

BECKEL: It didn't good, brother.

You see that curling thing right there.

Finally, I just threw it. That was the way to do it.

TANTAROS: What was your favorite event, Bob?

BECKEL: This one. I only did two. No, my favorite event was talking to this one woman who was a figure skater.

TANTAROS: You do have a gold medal in picking up women.

BECKEL: How much time we got?

BOLLING: She was a fantastic figure skater, too.

BECKEL: Yes, she was good.

PERINO: Nope, you're supposed to go out.

BECKEL: I asked her a question. They got her publicist coming in and saying, this interview is over.

GUTFELD: What was the question?

BECKEL: I can't say, Greg.

GUTFELD: What was the question? Come on.

BECKEL: I can't, man.

GUTFELD: Nobody cares, it's television. They can't stop you.

BECKEL: We take a look at some of you. That's coming up. "The Five" viewers of your experience with the ObamaCare Web site, which, by the way, been down the whole time, so I'm sure you can't get on.

Be sure to stick around, to see if yours makes the cut.


PERINO: That is a great song, by the way. I am very happy. Good job, Joshua.

All right. On Facebook, over 350,000 people saw the post, 2,200 likes, almost 4,500 comments about, what? Well, we asked people what it was like for them when they went on the site.

I'm going to read a tweet from someone who's happy, then we can go around.

Someone who is happy with the Web site is Dan K. He said, "Why did you ask for comments only from people who had an error? I had very little problems getting on the Web site. I'm getting all the answers that I need. My premiums are dropping for better coverage. I could not be happier."

So there is one person in America who's happy. Did you hear from anyone else?

BOLLING: Can I respond to that?

PERINO: Yes, you can respond to that.

BOLLING: I helped put this stuff together. We didn't. We asked for good, bad or ugly, just give us your experience.

BECKEL: So, what's wrong with good?

BOLLING: No, we were fine and he sent one in but he accuses us of saying we were only looking for the bad ones, we weren't. The overwhelming majority is bad.

PERINO: We were looking for the good ones.

BECKEL: Do you think people really think you were looking for good one s ones?

PERINO: We asked for everything.

BOLLING: I don't care. We asked for the good, the bad or the ugly, whatever you got.

BECKEL: I got to say, I hope it multiplies --

PERINO: Well, most of them were negative. Andrea, did you have any that you liked?

TANTAROS: My favorites were Fay P. who said that she got a notice saying her premiums were going up. She said I also got a notice saying maternity and newborn care benefits were going to be added to my policy. She says. But at 64, I'm not rejoicing about expecting.

Also Billy B., Billy B., lots of information here. You say you have a vasectomy and you're 70 years old and you say you now qualify for maternity coverage. It looks like you don't need that either, my brother. Premium is 2.5 times his current plan, so his premiums have also gone up. You're seeing so many of these, way more than the first one you read about people being happy.

PERINO: But anything strike you, Greg? Like a lightning?


This is from L.M. It says, here is my experience. I went to sign up, did get through but the application process didn't happen. But more important are we still on for tonight. I'm meeting you in the park at midnight. You said you're going to wear overalls.

Magenta overalls, is that right? I'll be there in the mask and I'll be wearing a dog collar.

Wow. So, he did get my email.

PERINO: People are actually reading it.

BECKEL: But you didn't tell him where in the park you've going to meet him?

GUTFELD: They'll find me.

PERINO: You won't be able to miss him.

Eric, which ones did you like?

BOLLING: Here's what I liked, 350,000 people saw our post, 350,000 -- which tells you and the question is why do talking about this? Because people care, because they care. You care about what's going on here.

You -- Bob, you may not like that we talk about it a lot, but America cares. They want to know what's going on.

BECKEL: I care. I'm for single-payer. I care a lot.


PERINO: This one guy, this is interesting because he said his company dropped his health insurance after ObamaCare was passed. Premiums went up 40 percent, and then he said insured then and has sleep apnea and he can't get on to on the North Carolina site.

But you should try to call somebody because somebody like you is who this law was intended to help.

BECKEL: If you have sleep apnea, you're up all night. Call at 4:00 in the morning.

BOLLING: Maybe you can get on.

PERINO: All right. "One More Thing", up next.


BOLLING: All right, time for "One More Thing".

Can you go to I put up an article why failure matters and matters big time. Just to round out a full day of this very, very important.

OK, Bob, you're up.

BECKEL: Is that what you're one more thing?

OK, Missouri. I talked about this three weeks ago, four weeks ago. Andrea brought it to my attention. Reginald Griffin was convicted of murdering another inmate. He was convicted by prosecutors and sent to death row.

And he didn't do it. Actually, somebody else admitted to doing it. So, the Missouri Supreme Court overturned his conviction, yet the Randolph County prosecutors kept the murder charges on, kept him on death row for 10 years. We're happy to say, he's going to be able to walk away a free man, which is another reason we ought to look at the death penalty.

BOLLING: Oh, brother.

All right. Greg, you're up.

TANTAROS: That's a great story, though, Bob. Great one more thing. He spent a decade in prison when he shouldn't have.

BECKEL: Not the only one.

GUTFELD: Best part of the Sebelius hearing, right there. Check that mustache out. Yes, that is what you call a poor man Ambassador Bolton, but I think he should be proud of that. That's all I got to say.

Is that weird, he has to walk around all day with that big circle around his head? It's embarrassing.

TANTAROS: Yes, but his stache is not as well-manicured as ambassador's stache --

GUTFELD: Yes, and Bolton's tickles.



BECKEL: You're going out to Central Park late at night?

GUTFELD: The prime park.

PERINO: OK, here's the thing -- when you know that the government has become too big and the government does not have enough to do, this is what can happen. Here in Norway, they're now telling their people in Norway that are married to go on date nights in an attempt to try to cut their 40 percent divorce rate.

They are taking this idea from the 2010 film called "Date Night" and they think this is the best way to get people to stay married and in fact, they say, quote, "It is important to find small pockets of time where parents can be lovers." This is from the government.

BOLLING: Nice job.


TANTAROS: I think that's true.

BECKEL: Yes, that's really true.

TANTAROS: I love date nights. Anyway, I --


BECKEL: And you're not married, too. That's about every other night.

TANTAROS: And I love this video, too. OK, Pope Francis was giving an address to a crowd of about 150,000 people, and a little boy wandered on stage, sits down in his chair. Of course, the pope with a heart of gold, just lets his continue. Doesn't even let it faze him.

At one point, he smiled, he patted him on the cheek, and the boy stayed on the stage while the pope spoke to the crowd.

The more and more I hear about this pope. Just good guy.

BOLLING: All right. Got to leave it there. Thanks for watching "The Five." We'll see you tomorrow.

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