This is a rush transcript from "The Five," August 1, 2012. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.
GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: So, lately, we have been playing a game called chase the chicken. Bad things are happening we're obsessing over a fast food joint that serves bird. Why? Well, it should be scary stuff like the economy, war and, well, murder. Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel who said Chick-fil-A didn't represent Chicago values. What a relief! For the chain, that is, given what pose values are. According to NBC Chicago, Chi Town is unbeatable when it comes to violence.
Based on projected murder total this year, Chicago has roughly 20 murders for 100,000 people. That's double Moscow, three times New York City and twice Mexico City. When you have to go to Mexico to get away from the crime, you've got problems.
Anyway, for Rahm, it's not about gay marriage. It's about the city whose prime export is corpses and keeping it off the radar. Rahm knows the media prefers gay or decay. Better to report that over the drip, drip, drip of daily bloodshed.
So, focus on fillets, but the citizens know Rahm is chickening out. As a voice of all things tolerant, he's proving to be tolerant of the one thing he shouldn't be tolerant of -- the death spiral of a city hurdling towards hell, with or without the waffle fries.
KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: That was really good.
GUTFELD: Thank you.
BOB BECKEL, CO-HOST: That was great.
GUILFOYLE: I like it.
BECKEL: Are you free later?
GUTFELD: Hitting a man on TV.
Kimberly, since you're already talking, when Mexico city looks like a more desirable neighborhood, you've got problems.
GUILFOYLE: That was a great point. People hear about the violence in Mexico, how bad it is, drug war and cartels and you feel like you can't go down the street without bullets in your back, right?
But guess what? Chicago is worse. Rahm Emanuel is supposed to be a star in the Democratic Party, Obama's go-to guy. It's just gotten worse under his leadership.
So, do you want some more of that? I mean, this is ridiculous. The guy is not doing anything about it. He doesn't have good policies that are effective. He doesn't know anything about fighting crime, I tell you that much, as a prosecutor.
GUTFELD: I mean, I've heard Bob. They refocus the way they fight crime. He is talking to the gangs and begging him to stop. What's he doing?
BECKEL: First of all, by the way, you are wrong on Chick-fil-a. Do you know how many people turned out for the Chick-fil-A day today?
ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: Insane numbers.
BECKEL: It was great. Don't get excited. It's OK.
BOLLING: Millions of --
BECKEL: Can we get back to Chicago? Sorry I opened the door. This is overwhelmingly drug related violence. Emanuel won't get far talking to gangs.
Chicago has historically been a violent city.
GUTFELD: That's not an excuse.
BECKEL: Al Capone isn't an excuse.
BECKEL: It's also a major trading place for drugs in the Midwest.
BOLLING: But, Bob, the problem is, Chicago always had crime. I happened from Chicago, born and raised, spent long time. It was never -- this is going in the wrong direction. The murder rate is going back up. It had been going down for years.
Now, Rahm Emanuel is seeing it go back up and worried about chicken sandwiches.
BECKEL: Because the minority areas are growing in Chicago. They lost the population.
BOLLING: It doesn't matter. It's per population, per 100,000. I just have to keep you real on the numbers, all right?
BECKEL: Let me keep you on the number. Tokyo or Japan has 127 million people. They not allow guns. Two people were murdered in --
BOLLING: There's a handgun ban in Chicago, too. What is your point?
BECKEL: Well, you can go any place around Chicago, that was bans, you keep talking about D.C. and Chicago, this country is washed in guns. You don't need to worry about bans, you can go anywhere to get them.
DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: That's you need to protect yourself.
BECKEL: For what?
GUTFELD: Exactly. Good people have guns to protect yourself from the bad people with the illegal guns. There is no solution. Like you said with "Fast and Furious," they get the guns somehow.
BECKEL: Listen, I would mention to say that a lot of murders are bad guys versus bad guys.
BOLLING: What's the point? They're still dying.
GUILFOYLE: It's still human life.
BECKEL: Your concern for drug dealers --
BOLLING: It's like guys ignoring "Fast and Furious" and the 300 Mexicans that got killed on the border. You will agree with us on Brian Terry but won't agree with us on the 100 Mexicans or 200 or 300.
BECKEL: Excuse me, 50,000 Mexicans.
BOLLING: Now, I'm talking about the "Fast and Furious" guns. Remember the guns that walked?
BECKEL: I do.
BOLLING: Two hundred or 300 Mexicans also.
BECKEL: There's 50,000 killed in a drug war down there, a small percentage were "Fast and Furious" guns.
GUTFELD: I have one last question I want to ask Dana. Why all the dangerous cities have Democratic mayors?
PERINO: Good question. Smart people run for U.S. Senate and win in Texas.
BECKEL: Smart thing to do.
GUTFELD: Good answer.
PERINO: I don't know. Interestingly, though, across the country crime has been falling down everywhere, even in the recession. People have a hard time figuring out why.
But Chicago has a problem, especially though mayor gets good mark on education reform and taking on the unions there. Violence is a major problem.
GUILFOYLE: Republicans are tougher on law and order. Take Giuliani, for example. It's true. It is.
BECKEL: The demographics (INAUDIBLE) in the country mirrors the Democratic base. That's why.
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