This is a rush transcript from "The O'Reilly Factor," May 28, 2008. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.
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BILL O'REILLY, HOST: In the "Miller Time" segment tonight: There's no question things are quickly changing in some parts of America. If California voters uphold gay marriage, that would change matrimony in this country forever.
Meantime, polygamists continue to cause problems. These pictures of convicted sex offender Warren Jeffs with a bunch of young girls, one of them 12 years old, epitomize the disturbing nature of this problem, where young children are bred in polygamist compounds for the use of older men.
The question: Are there any boundaries left in the USA or will most traditions come tumbling down? Joining us now from L.A., radio talk show star, our man Miller.
You know, you and I have seen a lot of changes in our life. The late '60s, '70s, Woodstock, you know, age of Aquarius. Now I think we're in the cycle again where the whole society is changing, traditions are dropping aside. Am I wrong?
DENNIS MILLER, FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR: Well, first off, Bill, I'm at your mercy here, because I don't have a monitor. But did we just show the pictures of Warren Jeffs with the young girls?
O'REILLY: Yes, we showed Warren Jeffs with young girls. We blurred out the faces of the girls because they're victims. But he's with a 14-, 15-, and 12-year-old girl. And you know the Texas situation. And this kind of thing is now mounting. And you know, in Texas, the authorities are now saying you've got to get the kids back. So I'm saying to myself, there's a lot of bad stuff happening in our society.
MILLER: I think that Jeffs is a demented pig, and the quicker that he goes to prison and is on the other side of an iniquitous power relationship, the better off the planet will be. I think in "Shawshank-ian" lingo it's called "short eyes," and they'll take care of a guy in there like that.
If we've lost our minds out here due to political correctness, fine. At least somewhere on cell block D they understand that compromising the innocence is still the ultimate wrong in the universe.
I also have to go on record, Bill, and I know I just — I don't have the heart for this sort of stuff. I don't watch the fight tapes anymore. I would not look at this tape. I don't care who's blurred. I don't think we should show these things. I think that everybody is rationalizing their link in the chain. And I think the public's need to know somehow has devolved into voyeurism.
Listen, I know what evil looks like. I've seen them liberate the camps at the end of World War II. And I don't have to look at Warren Jeffs acting like he's a cool guy with young girls who don't know better or, indeed, are told they go to hell if they don't make out with him.
O'REILLY: They're bred for that, but to build outrage, you almost have to do this, just like the girl fight stuff ahead of you, because things are so out of control now in this country. I believe this firmly. They're absolutely out of control.
When you have eight Florida teenagers beating up one little girl, OK, and wanting to show it, and somebody is photographing it, and this and that. Unless people get angry, almost like the oil prices, which we talked about earlier in the program, unless the folks mobilize, we're going to lose the country, Dennis. We're going to lose it, because we're losing it now.
MILLER: Bill, they're taping it — they're taping it because they know it gets shown now. Cho Seung-Hui is taping it because he knows it gets shown. At some point we're going to come to this. We might do it reluctantly. We might fight for the Bill of Rights and all that and our need to know. We're missing the point. We shouldn't show this stuff.
O'REILLY: I agree.
MILLER: That's my feeling. I'm a stodgy old guy.
O'REILLY: But we have to have mobilization to fight this, because if we don't, it's just going to get worse. The Internet is not going to police itself. It's simply not going to do it. They're going to exploit every crack in this society they can.
Now, on the gay marriage thing — I know you're a libertarian. It's funny. Another libertarian, a guy we like, John Stossel, has come out for legalizing all narcotics. Can you imagine Hugh Downs doing that? I mean, we're in a changing society here, Dennis.
MILLER: I think Hugh Downs' game show would have been called "Lack of Concentration" at that point.
O'REILLY: Right, but you see what I'm saying? Twenty — 10 years ago, John Stossel, a very well-respected journalist and ABC News anchor. Now he's coming out for legalization of drugs. You've got gay marriage. It could very well be the law of the land in California. The country is changing dramatically.
MILLER: Listen, I have to bring a big curtain down here visually between discussing, to me, a monster like Warren Jeffs and going over to talk about the issue of gay marriage. I just have to bring down a massive curtain first.
O'REILLY: No, there's absolutely no link there.
MILLER: These couldn't be more different to me. Now listen, I have to be very delicate here to protect people's privacy, but I know of a young child who over the course of her life, as I've seen her, has been raised by homosexual parents. And as I've watched her blossom, I am enamored, and I can see in her face that she's loved.
Now listen, I am going to give the heterosexual community the procreative vigorish, as they say in the betting game, because without any procreation, the planet dies. So obviously, I think that is the way to go. The hetero thing is what works, just the physics of it. But love is never a bad fallback position.
And I'm sorry, I just can't get — I just happen to know a couple gay men who are married, and they're very happy. I have two other gay men friends who don't believe in gay marriage. They think it's wrong.
The humans really are snowflakes like this, and you can never figure it out. But I do know this: It is nothing. It is — on my list of things I worry about on a day to day basis, humans with similar genitalia wanting to get married is like 10 billionth on my list.
O'REILLY: All right.
MILLER: But then again, I don't begrudge Christians who are told by their faith that they can't believe in it. I'm not trying to change their minds.
O'REILLY: That point of view has to be put out there. It's a very powerful point of view.
Real quick, I have only got 20 seconds. Obama with the uncle, do you care?
MILLER: The campaign is too long. We lost one of our greatest filmmakers this week, Sydney Pollack. In 1969, he did a film about marathon dancing called "They Shoot Horses, Don't They?" That's what we've got going now. These people go too long. Everybody's slurring their ideas.
I could care less about Barack Obama. The only thing I worry about Barack Obama is his reaction whenever he's chided. I don't even notice the color of his skin. I do note the thinness of it though.
O'REILLY: All right. Dennis Miller, everybody. And we'll see you next Wednesday, Dennis. Thanks.
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