This is a rush transcript from "Hannity & Colmes," November 10, 2008. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.
ALAN COLMES, CO-HOST: Greenpeace calls him a climate criminal, but some think Chris Horner is the only one uncovering the truth about global warming. His new book, "Red Hot Lies: How Global Warming Alarmist Use Threats, Fraud and Deception to Keep You Misinformed." That's what it's called. Horner warns of the alarmist green agenda, which he claims may reach new heights under the new administration.
Joining us the author, Chris Horner.
I guess we've got to be really scared, as Dick Morris said, about Obama, radical lefty. We're going to scare people about the incoming president, right, Chris?
CHRIS HORNER, AUTHOR, "RED HOT LIES": Well, it depends on what frightens you, Alan, and I know this agenda doesn't frighten you; it affirms your world view.
But there are some things that are now quite obviously on tap, and they are because — there remains public opposition. For example, President-elect Obama has indicated he wants to reclassify the Kyoto Protocol, which has been stalled in the Senate for 10 years. We signed it — we signed it 10 years ago Wednesday, even though you guys can't get that right.
And he wants to reclassify it as an executive agreement. He wants to reclassify it as an executive agreement, requiring a simple up or down no amendment, no filibuster vote, in order to get around opposition and a little something called the Constitution. So if that doesn't alarm you, then no, you should feel just fine.
COLMES: Well, I'm not alarmed (ph). But some of the things you say in the book are very interesting to me. For example, you say children are being corrupted by those who want to focus on global warming, and you cite a study that children in England, where they had to watch Al Gore's movie, stay up nights, worried about global warming and climate change.
I thought you conservative thought Gore put people to sleep. I thought it was the other way around.
SEAN HANNITY, CO-HOST: He puts me to sleep.
HORNER: As a father of young children, I don't think it's funny anymore. More than half of the UK school children polled reported that they lost sleep at night, terrified over catastrophic manmade global warming that's being indoctrinated into their heads by the schools. We have something efforts underway here in California, and it includes what they call pester power and also reporting on their parents.
Now, I thought you believed in separation of church and state. This clearly violates that.
COLMES: I don't know how they violate. Well, first of all, you're talking about England, a study of 1,100 people, of 7 to 11. And most of them blamed either politicians; 1 in 7 blame their parents.
You also say China wants carbon offsets for children, not born because of their restrictive family issues. I found that — policies. I found that a fascinating part of your book.
HORNER: Yes, here's what happened. About 18 months ago, at a Kyoto negotiation in Thailand, China suggested that, because of their family planning policy, that they should be given carbon offsets to sell back to Europe and, ultimately, the United States, on the basis that their population would be much larger if they would have all these babies that they aborted. And therefore, they would have a much larger carbon footprint. And we should pay them for these offsets.
HANNITY: That's great.
HORNER: That's reprehensible. And the European leaders (ph) thought it was great, and the U.N. thought it was great.
HANNITY: And where's some of the biggest polluters? Right? Which countries? Right, Chris? It's almost...
HORNER: Well, if you believe that carbon dioxide is a pollutant, then China would be the world's greatest polluter. But plants might disagree with you.
HANNITY: Let me ask you this, Chris. One of the reasons we're so energy dependant is because of the global warming hysteria and extremism. You agree with that? I know you agree with that statement. I've interviewed you in the past.
HANNITY: Look, for example, you know, the auto industry. You know, they've got safety mandates. They've got CAFE standards that we've discussed at length here. Bad trade policy. And that has put them in a very difficult position where they can't even compete. Meanwhile, foreign countries can compete here in this country. You know, now they're struggling because of the government policies.
This is going to be worse if this more extreme agenda that Obama seems to be leaning towards gets implemented. Right or wrong?
HORNER: Yes. You're right, and in fact, Al Gore laid this out for you in an op-ed in the New York Times yesterday, in which he called for, essentially, a series of bailouts for other great new ideas, that this longtime champion of the ethanol boondoggle has.
And close students of the game, Sean, probably recognize these as industries in which he has invested. And, by the way, since Alan's always obsessed with funding, $300 million has been given him in the last three years to rebrand global warming to climate crisis. And he doesn't tell us where it came from. And I'm curious that you're not curious where that money came from, Alan.
HANNITY: By the way, and I've got Al Gore on his private jet. Let me ask you this. You've had intimidation efforts. Scientists that debunk global warming, they've been intimidated. How widespread is this? And tell us about your story, real quick, in the time we have left.
HORNER: OK. It's very widespread. I was in a meeting in Vienna of a bunch of scientists, and I happened to relate about how Greenpeace was stealing my trash and the trash of a White House aide that I just happened to learn about.
And these scientists began telling me their own tales. One scientist at the University of Oslo had the wheels fall off his car, not once, but twice, including while his daughter was in the car after he began speaking out against global warming alarmism. They started sending pizza to his house. That didn't intimidate him. So they loosened the lug nuts on his car.
Tim Ball's (ph) gotten death threats. There are professional threats.
HANNITY: We've got to go.
HORNER: There are (UNINTELLIGIBLE), and people are being chased out of their profession.
HANNITY: All right. Thanks, Chris. Appreciate you being with us. Good luck with the book.
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