This is a rush transcript from "Hannity & Colmes," October 14, 2008. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.
SEAN HANNITY, CO-HOST: Now, last night we sat down with the pastors of Lakewood Church, Joel and Victoria Osteen, to talk about Victoria's new book, "Love your Life and Living Happy, Healthy, and Whole." Take a look.
ALAN COLMES, CO-HOST: You're here to support her book.
JOEL OSTEEN, PASTOR, LAKEWOOD CHURCH: You bet I am.
COLMES: And now you've got to love your life. How do you do that? What's the first step?
HANNITY: Push all liberals out of it. I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
VICTORIA OSTEEN, PASTOR, LAKEWOOD CHURCH: You know, you need to love your life, you have to appreciate yourself.
V. OSTEEN: And you have to appreciate the gifts and the talents that you have on the inside of you so you can give them away to other people.
COLMES: Now you talk a lot a lot about relationships in this book, and you talk a lot — a little bit about your relationship and seeing things from the other perspective of the other person. Like you've learned how each other communicates.
Does that mean I've got to see things from Hannity's perspective in order to...?
HANNITY: It might help you.
COLMES: Is that what you're saying?
V. OSTEEN: I don't know if it would help the writing. No, it's good — it's good to find common ground with people. And — because I think when you find common ground and you see things from other people's perspective, you can have a voice in their lives, you can have an influence.
COLMES: Yes. The first chapter is about influence and how you can influence people. And you talk about your — the person who brought your dad to church where he found Jesus, and he wrote a book called "I Influenced One, But Your Dad Influenced Millions," based on what that one person did. Right?
J. OSTEEN: Yes, exactly right. You never know who you're touching. That's why I don't think you should ever say, "Well, I'm just raising a child or just teaching students or just a businessperson with some employees. You never know who you're going to touch. And we all have influence.
COLMES: Do you have any — Joel's father started in a feed store, a church in a feed store. You met him because he walked into your jewelry shop to get a battery for a watch.
V. OSTEEN: Right.
COLMES: Did you ever imagine that what has happened to you, what happened? And why do you think God blessed you in the way he has?
V. OSTEEN: We never did imagine this. We never imagined it. But it's been a wonderful journey. And we've been so encouraged that we can help people, because that's what we want to do.
We want to encourage people. We want to help them. We want them to see all the good things God has placed in them and give them a right future.
COLMES: You talk a lot — and I watch Joel on Sunday morning. And often the message is God has a plan for you, even if that plan hasn't happened yet. Is there really a good plan for everybody and is it always a good plan waiting to happen?
V. OSTEEN: Well, I think when you have an optimistic attitude and you believe that God is guiding you, that you will find the good things in your life and that you will lead to good relationships and good people in your life. And you can make the most of what he's given you.
HANNITY: when I was reading this, I was thinking about my life. We often lose perspective. We don't see the trees. We don't hear the birds. Woe don't thank God that our kids are healthy. It's sort of a common thing that people go through, right?
V. OSTEEN: I think so. I think that when you don't look at the good things around you, that you lose sight of all those good things. And you're not going to enjoy your life. And your kids are going to be grown. And then you're going to look back and go, "Oh, you know, if only."
HANNITY: So what does it mean if Barack Obama wins the election from my perspective, and from Alan's perspective, if John McCain wins? That's not the most important thing in life even though right now it's the most important thing in our lives.
V. OSTEEN: It's a big focus right now, but you know what? We need to keep our families intact. We need to keep our relationships strong, because whatever happens is going to happen. And we've got to enjoy our life, and we've got to make the most of what we have today.
HANNITY: And I say this all the time. Regardless of who the president is, you can still decide to raise your kids the right way, instill good values in them. You can decide to get up every morning and dedicate your life to hard work and serving other people. And you can have a fulfilled life.
You still live in the greatest country God gave man, even though liberals will take more control over it. But — if they get in power.
COLMES: ... President Obama. Opportunity (ph).
HANNITY: I'm not trying to make this political. But really, we do have more control over our lives than any politician, right?
J. OSTEEN: I think so. You know what? We can all control our own destiny. And I think sometimes it's a copout to say, "Well, it's this person's fault or another person's fault."
When we take responsibility and say, "You know what? This is a day that God has given me. It's a gift. I can never relive this day. And I'm not going to live it angry, in unforgiveness, and mad at somebody. If I don't get my way, I'm going to believe that God's still in control.
HANNITY: Do you like country music?
J. OSTEEN: Sure I do.
HANNITY: Do you know Tim McGraw song "Live Like You're Dying"?
V. OSTEEN: Yes.
HANNITY: Have you really thought, you know, "I'm going to go Rocky Mountain climbing, skydiving, and give forgiveness I've been denying."
V. OSTEEN: Yes.
J. OSTEEN: Yes.
HANNITY: You know what? Forgiving, though, people that have really offended you. I know that that is one of the main things. Revenge is mine, saith the lord. I've read revenge is Hannity's, saith the lord.
But in all seriousness, that is harder said than done. How do you do it?
V. OSTEEN: You do it every day, moment by moment.
HANNITY: But what about if somebody really betrays you, really stabs you in the back, really undermines you, really wants to hurt you?
V. OSTEEN: You know, forgiveness sets the prisoner free. And realizing that prisoner was you. That's what forgiveness does. It sets you free. But not easy...
HANNITY: In all honesty, you never hold any resentment — you never hold any resentment towards anybody, not even a little bit?
V. OSTEEN: Well, you get up every day and you just give it over to God. And you may get up — you may get up or something may come against you that you and it's really because of that unforgiveness. But you recognize that. And you know, you just give it — you know, to say I'm not going to hold this unforgiveness. It's something that you have to do all the time.
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