This is a rush transcript from "On the Record ," July 14-16, 2008. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.
GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, FOX NEWS HOST: Tonight, Brett Favre breaks his silence. For the first time, the Packer legend answers all the questions the world has been asking for weeks, and you will only see it here. Favre retired after last season as the quarterback of the Green Bay Packers, but there have been reports that Brett wants to come back. Is Favre going to return, and will it be with Green Bay?
Earlier, Brett Favre went "On the Record."
VAN SUSTEREN: Why did you retire so early?
BRETT FAVRE, FORMER GREEN BAY PACKER QB: Well, I'm sure that a lot of people out there -- you know, of course, there's been a lot of things said. And this is the first time I've talked, but a lot -- one of the things that people, from what I understand, are saying is that Brett retired because the Packers or Ted Thompson (ph) didn't ask -- ask me back. That's totally untrue. They wanted an answer before free agency/draft.
And Mike McCarthy called every week. After about a two or three-week grace period after the season, Mike would call, Hey, how's things going, you know? Where are you at with your decision? Boy, Mike, I'm kind of burned out right now and just need some time. I said, Boy, it'd be nice if I could wait until training camp. Well, you know -- you know, we have a different direction we got to go in, you know? If you're not going to be here, we have to sign someone, which is find. I totally understand that. But I was not ready to totally commit.
And the bottom line -- I said that in my press conference. Regardless of what people think, the bottom line, March 3, when I got in front of the podium, did I want to play? Yes. One hundred percent? No. And I think people who have followed my career, people who know me closely, I won't play if I'm not 100 percent committed. I could have easily said, You know what? I'll take the money, I'll come back, and hopefully, I'll get committed somewhere either before training camp, during training camp or during the season. No one will know. But that's not me.
And so on March 3, when I got in front of the podium, I was not -- and one of the things I said, Greta, was, I know I can play, but at this time, I don't think I want to, and sort of left the door open. But they wanted an answer. And am I mad at them for that? No. And I think that's what needs to be cleared up, is that, Hey, you wanted an answer, I gave you the honest answer at that time, as opposed to lying to you and saying, Oh, yes, I'll come back, and you know, giving you not what's expected of me, and that's 100 percent effort.
VAN SUSTEREN: After the early March press conference, when you made - - I know it was a very sort of -- it was an emotional time for you.
FAVRE: It was.
VAN SUSTEREN: I take it you like being a Packer.
FAVRE: Can't envision being with anyone else, or haven't envisioned being with anyone else. That has always been my focus. As I said then, I will say now, really, as I've said my whole career, playing in Green Bay is -- and you're from up there. There's nothing like it. There's nothing like it. And it has been -- it's one of those things. It was destiny. Kid from south Mississippi, a lot like Bart Starr, who would ever thought I would go to Green Bay and have the career I had.
And it's unfortunate that it has come to this. And I'm sure there are a lot of fans out there thinking, from what they've heard, that Brett is a traitor, he wants to play elsewhere. That's not true. I was told that playing in Green Bay was not an option, regardless what you hear from up there. You know, I'm not making it up. I was told that playing in Green Bay was not an option. And then I was told that, We can't imagine you playing or can't envision you playing with another team, as well. What does that tell me? It tells me, We don't want you playing, period.
VAN SUSTEREN: Have you signed any papers, at this point, saying you retired, any official papers?
FAVRE: No, I have not signed any official papers.
VAN SUSTEREN: And they know that there's back-and-forth, you're not 100 percent certain, and you've done -- you've actually -- you know, this has happened sort of prior years on a much more moderate scale, the question of whether you're going to retire or not, so it's no great surprise to them that you sometimes have second thoughts at this point.
FAVRE: No, it's not a surprise. And you know, I understand how the public is kind of, like, you know, Make up your mind already. But there's no way I can expect them to understand what I'm going through and...
VAN SUSTEREN: What are you going through, at this point?
VAN SUSTEREN: Well, to be totally honest with you, in to simplify it as easy as I can -- and I think if you were to poll players that have played as long as me or almost as long as me -- if you said, Come march, whether you're coming back or -- your intentions are to come back or you're wishy-washy or whatever, in March, are you committed one way or another? They're going to tell you no. They're going to tell you no.
VAN SUSTEREN: Did you talk to Coach McCarthy in June or text message him?
FAVRE: Talked to him on June 20. That was it.
VAN SUSTEREN: And said what? What was the conversation?
FAVRE: Well, we -- it was small talk for a while. And you know, I said, you know, Mike, I'm thinking about coming back. I've been working out at the high school. I said, And that was a big hurdle for me to get over. You know, don't want to get up and go up there and run and throw, which I did that this morning. And I feel good. You know, and I said, you know, I have to admit, you know, I'm thinking about it. And I said, I'm just -- I want your take on it. You know, and if I'm going to play, it's going to be in Green Bay, but I need to find out what their take is.
And he -- I could just see him. You know, he's -- he's, you know, Oh, Brett, you know, I mean, this is -- you know, We've moved on. And I said, Moved on? Yes, we moved on. You know, I had to tell the team something. You know, I mean -- you know, I mean, you were -- you were -- you told me you were not 100 percent committed, back, you know, not only when you retired but several weeks before -- I mean after, you know, when we were talking about coming down there. And we've had that conversation, and you said you were not 100 percent committed.
I said, You're right. You're absolutely right. And I said, But Mike -- and it was a good conversation, and we've always had good communication, the two of us. And I said, You're right. I totally agree. I was not 100 percent committed. And I said, But you guys wanted an answer in March, and I gave you the honest answer. And I said, you know, Had I been able to wait until training camp, that would have been great. He said, Well, why didn't you tell me that? We would have let you do it.
And I thought to myself, Well, you know, you told me before the draft, free agency. And he ended up drafting two kids in the draft. So that kind of tells you...
VAN SUSTEREN: Two quarterbacks.
FAVRE: Two quarterbacks. And once again, that's OK. That's fine. All I was asking in June -- June 20 was, OK, you guys have a different path, fine. What does that mean for me? And I -- so I say, So that means either you give me my helmet, welcome back, you release me or attempt to trade me. And we all know that that's a possibility, but you know, way out there possibility.
And he says, Well, you know -- you know, playing here is not an option, but we can't envision you playing with another team, you know, either. And I thought, So basically, I'm not playing for anyone if I choose to come back.
And I understand. You know, I'm guilty of one thing and that's retiring early. And I have an answer for that. And it's -- and I've spoke on that. And I knew that I would have second thoughts, and I think Mike has even made the comment that, you know, I knew Brett would go through this. I knew that he would have these second thoughts.
Well, I am. And so, I mean, you're telling me playing there is not an option. But playing elsewhere, we just can't -- you know, we're trying to protect your legacy. Well, thank you. I appreciate that. But apparently, now they're wanting to protect my legacy by bringing me back and having me be a backup. Boy, that -- that is really good.
VAN SUSTEREN: Are you physically ready to play football?
FAVRE: Yes. I've been pretty fortunate. Aside from 38, you know, I know during this whole ordeal, especially on the June 20 conversation, Mike and I talked about coming back, he's, like, You know, when I was in Kansas City, you know, we traded for Joe Montana, you know? And I mean, it just -- he wasn't the same, you know? And you got to worry about that.
And I don't disagree. I think Joe went there and played quite well. And believe me, I've thought of all those things. And when they have sent James Campen (ph) down here to, A, you know, You got to think about moving your family to another city, are you well aware of what that means and the fan reaction, there's going to be some people calling you a traitor. Yes. And you know, the bottom line in all this, I may not play anywhere. But we have thought of all those things. We have thought of it.
VAN SUSTEREN: Plus it's sort of interesting that management is worried about your moving, the Green Bay Packer management -- they're worried about you having a rough time, supposedly. Supposed -- I mean, that -- you know -- you...
FAVRE: I appreciate them thinking about me, yes.
VAN SUSTEREN: I take it you're a big boy and can handle this decision...
FAVRE: Well, I...
VAN SUSTEREN: ... That one.
FAVRE: Yes, I would hope so. And I -- you know, and I keep going back and talking with people. I am guilty of retiring early. And there is a reason for that. And you know, there's been -- the major issues is, Why did he retire? And he asked for a release because he doesn't want to play in Green Bay. That's not true. And I -- you know, and I hope that the people are hearing this think, OK, that clears it up, you know? And there's going to be some people that say, So what?
And once again, them moving on does not bother me. It doesn't. I totally understand that. That was the -- by me retiring March 3, I knew that that could possibly happen. All I was saying is, You know, I'm thinking about playing again. The itch has been used. That's been the word that has been used -- if you want to say itch, or you know, the fire is coming back or whatever. If I'm going to play, it's going to be a 100 percent commitment, and it's not going to be in March.
And so if you've moved on, you tell me one thing, don't come back and tell the public. Just say it. You know -- you know, We've moved on, and we'll work with Brett on whatever it is. Don't make up a lot of stuff or give half of the truth and say, We want to let you be our backup and all this, He's got to understand this and all -- so I mean -- I mean, it's ridiculous. It really is.
VAN SUSTEREN: Now, we have much more of our interview, and you will see Brett Favre, Part Two tomorrow night. And you'll want to see tomorrow night's part two because this story is developing. Even the fans back in Wisconsin are now holding rallies.
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"On the Record," July 15, 2008
GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, FOX NEWS HOST: But first, part two of our interview with Packer legend Brett Favre. Is Brett Favre going back to Green Bay? Could Aaron Rodgers, the man groomed to replace Favre, be demoted to a back-up role again? For the first time, Brett Favre reveals whether he has talked to Rodgers and gives his feelings about the young quarterback. You will hear all that and much more.
VAN SUSTEREN: Let me ask you something. Right now, are the Packers paying you any money?
BRETT FAVRE, FORMER GREEN BAY PACKERS QB: No.
VAN SUSTEREN: OK. So you're, quote, "retired" at least?
VAN SUSTEREN: All right. And what -- what you want is to -- since they don't want you back -- at least, they've sent that message to you because they say they've moved on -- you want to be released so you can pursue whatever you want, in terms of...
FAVRE: Play for whoever.
VAN SUSTEREN: OK.
FAVRE: You know?
VAN SUSTEREN: And they want to, quote, "trade" you instead.
VAN SUSTEREN: Maybe. Maybe trade you or put you on the bench. If they trade you, they can -- they can -- they can basically hide you on a team that they know the Packers won't compete with or that doesn't have a Super Bowl chance. Is that...
FAVRE: I would say that's exactly right. And they haven't even talked about trade. It's been, We'll welcome Brett back. You know, He'll have to understand he'll be a back-up.
VAN SUSTEREN: Why not do that? I mean -- I mean, if you look at it, Aaron Rodgers -- I mean, I hope he's a healthy man, but he hasn't started a game in -- you've have started the last 275. I think that's the number. And he's been injured twice. You know, I don't know...
VAN SUSTEREN: Is this, like, a real health -- I mean...
FAVRE: I feel like -- you know, the one thing (INAUDIBLE) I do feel bad for Aaron a little bit. I think he'll do a fine job, to be totally honest with you. I do. He has been injured. I mean, the two injuries are not his fault, couldn't control. I know this has been tough on him. I think he'll do a fine job. And this has nothing to do with him, this whole deal.
If they want to make me a back-up -- the thing is, they've been preaching about, We want to protect Brett's legacy, and we think he should -- and we both know how -- you know, what that's about. How does that protect my legacy if I'm a back-up? You know -- you know, Brett, we'll welcome you back, we'll pay you $12 million, but you got to hold the clipboard and ballcap (ph).
That's probably better for them, as opposed to letting me go somewhere and me coming back. Then their legacy, the management, would -- you know, could be in jeopardy. Let me worry about that, you know? You don't worry about my legacy. And you know, I mean, it's a bunch of bull. That's all it is.
VAN SUSTEREN: You know, I sort of think ahead, in the event that you were released, if the Packers do release you, and let's say that a team picked you up that really needs a quarterback -- Chicago, Baltimore, or even Minneapolis -- and the thought of that first Monday night game -- I think the Packers play Minneapolis, don't they, play the Vikings?
FAVRE: Yes. Yes.
VAN SUSTEREN: And to have you -- that's also the day they're supposed to retire the Green Bay Ford (ph) -- have you run out in a purple uniform will make the fans crazy. To pick up...
FAVRE: I've never envisioned that. I mean, I've heard all the talk, like everyone else. It's hard not to. But you know, I mean, that's always been -- our biggest rival, obviously, with the Bears. And did I ever think of that? No. Did I ever think (INAUDIBLE) happen? Absolutely not.
And by getting a release, obviously, it gives you an option to -- I don't know if other teams would make a play for me, you know? Most people say, you know, This team needs that, whatever. But it may not work out.
But we won't know unless we're released. And how am I supposed to trust that they're working on a trade after, you know, the things that have been told to me in the past? Teams may have called and said, Hey, you know, we're interested. Well, you know, I mean, they may never tell us. And the longer this goes on, the less likely I am to play with someone because of the time factor, so...
VAN SUSTEREN: Training camp's starting, or the -- the...
FAVRE: Right around the corner.
VAN SUSTEREN: Right around the corner, 27th of July?
FAVRE: Right. For Green Bay. Other teams are probably reporting earlier.
VAN SUSTEREN: All right. Let me see if I got this straight. You're now 100 percent certain you want to play football.
FAVRE: Where is a different story. Yes.
VAN SUSTEREN: But you want to...
FAVRE: Yes. Yes. Right.
VAN SUSTEREN: One hundred percent.
FAVRE: Right. And I may very well not play, Greta.
VAN SUSTEREN: But that's your desire. That's your desire.
FAVRE: Well, the circumstances.
VAN SUSTEREN: Right. And you -- and you're physically ready to do this.
FAVRE: I think so, yes. I mean, I think I'm ready.
VAN SUSTEREN: And Deanna's on board, your wife?
VAN SUSTEREN: The Packers -- have they told you that you can come back, and not that you want to, but sit on the bench?
FAVRE: That's all I've been hearing, yes. Yes.
VAN SUSTEREN: Is that unacceptable to you?
FAVRE: I think so. A lot of people -- and you've mentioned that -- Why not go back and hold them to it? You know, I don't -- you know, I don't -- I don't see it that way. It's tempting just to -- because everyone's saying, you know, Call their bluff, or whatever. I think it's going to be a circus in itself already, whether I go there, whatever.
And I like my teammates. I had a lot of fun with them. I have talked to numerous guys throughout this whole ordeal. I wish them the best. I really do. I hold nothing against those guys. We had a lot of fun together. We had -- you know, it was an amazing year, last year. I don't -- I don't want to make it any worse than it is.
I mean, I've always been a Packer. I always will be a Packer. Do I play somewhere else? That remains to be seen. But I don't want to go back there just to stick it to them.
VAN SUSTEREN: When you had that announcement in March, you got very emotional. Is this emotional for you?
FAVRE: Very emotional. The way I played the game, the way I live my life, is very emotional. And I'm sorry, I got friends that pick on me all the time about crying, and not only during the press conference, but last year, after the Chicago Bears game. You know, Oh, you -- Favre's crying again. And it is a little bit embarrassing to me, at times, but it's the only way I know to be. It's real. It's genuine.
Every game I've ever played, regardless if it was pre-season or Super Bowl, meant the same to me, and I laid it all on the line. And I hope people can appreciate it because I do. And if I don't play again, it's not the end of the world because I look back and I hold no regrets. There are some games I wish I would have won, but I played every game the same way. And so what you see is what you get.
I don't know what else to tell you. And yes, I was emotional. He was believable -- I've heard that. You know, Favre was believable. Well, it was real. I didn't think I'd play again, and I still may not. I was giving an honest answer at that time after what -- they didn't make me give that answer. They asked if they could have that answer before free agency or the draft, and I did.
VAN SUSTEREN: Have you spoken to Aaron Rodgers at all?
VAN SUSTEREN: Were you ever friendly with -- I mean, I don't know the relationship between...
FAVRE: I mean, you know, and he's 14 years younger than me. I know he made some comments here lately, but you know, when I was his age, I made some crazy comments, too, so I can't hold that against him. I know one of the comments -- it seems to me that some things were released, I think the same day the "Sports Illustrated" article was coming out. They're going to probably say they didn't release any of this info or get the pot stirring. But if they did, it was pretty smart because it deflected a lot of the comments that he supposedly made.
VAN SUSTEREN: About the fans having to basically get over you?
FAVRE: Yes. And you know, I'm sure he's tired of answering questions about Brett Favre, but...
VAN SUSTEREN: Must be hard on him.
FAVRE: It's got to be hard on him. And my only advice to him -- I never gave him advice, really -- would be that the only way you shut that up, we all know, is to go out and play and play well. And that's not to say that they would forget what I've done, but you know, go out and prove it on the field. That's all I would say. I'm not -- I'm not sitting here bashing Aaron Rodgers. I think he'll do a fine job, and I think his comments are not a surprise, not only from him, but I may have said the same thing.
VAN SUSTEREN: Is -- I know you haven't made a decision, but is going back to Green Bay an option and being the back-up quarterback, at this point?
FAVRE: Going back and being the back-up quarterback? No.
VAN SUSTEREN: What about competing for starting quarterback?
VAN SUSTEREN: I'm just asking. I'm just asking that...
FAVRE: That's what I would ask them, Why? Well, Brett, you retired, you know what I mean?
VAN SUSTEREN: Allowing them to trade you so they get something in return.
FAVRE: It's hard to imagine, but if I'm going to play, I mean, obviously, I would have to agree to whoever it is, and I'm sure, you know, they're not going to do it with a big rival or competitor or whatever. But that may be our only option. You know, I don't know what else to do.
VAN SUSTEREN: If they released you, which is now your first choice, if (INAUDIBLE) starting quarterback -- if they release you, that at least enables you to make your own decisions.
FAVRE: Why not ask for it? That's what Buss (ph) and I, we talked about it. I said, you know, Why not ask for it, you know? Do we think we'll get it? But yes, that gives you, you know, freedom to sign with anyone. But I'm still under contract, and as far as I know, you can't talk to anyone, or they can't talk to you. So they have to go through the Packers via the trade scenario. Hey, you know, OK, we understand that Brett possibly could be traded. How do we -- how do we know he hasn't talked to someone? I guess he yesterday said that no one's inquired. That very well may be true. But then again, how do we know it's not?
VAN SUSTEREN: What do you make of the rallies? There were a couple of rallies scheduled to bring Brett Favre back (INAUDIBLE) some of your fans.
FAVRE: Once again, Green Bay is a special place. Wisconsin is a special place. I truly appreciate not only these rallies, but the way they have -- you know, I've been booed a couple of times in that stadium, deservingly so. I didn't always play well. You know, I've had my ups and downs. But through it all, most people can say, You know, I appreciate the way he played, the way he handled himself. Wasn't perfect, never will be, but I've always shot it straight and honest and played the game that way.
And I think those people -- now I think they'll hear this side of the story. They can believe what they want, but for the most part, the people that are rallying and who really know me, think they know me, would say, You know, now, this makes more sense, and that's kind of what we thought, or whatever. You know, I can't -- I'm not here to convince people, I'm here to tell the truth. And I hope the fans know it's not about them. Obviously, it's not, because I can't go nowhere else and get what I got in Green Bay. Never will. No one can. And I was fortunate enough for those years to appreciate it, witness it, feel it. And there's just -- there's nothing like it.
"On the Record", July 16, 2008
GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, FOX NEWS HOST: For the past two nights, you have heard Brett Favre go "On the Record" about his possible comeback, but you haven't seen anything yet. Was Brett Favre ever lied to by Packer management? Brett went "On the Record" about his true relationship with Packers general manager Ted Thompson.
BRETT FAVRE, FORMER GREEN BAY PACKERS QB: Ted and I, I thought, have always had a good relationship. We don't talk a whole lot. We don't go out and eat and shoot the bull. But on three different occasions -- I don't want to say "lied," I think that's kind of a harsh word, but I think "untruth" or whatever is better. When first he took over as the GM, I was wishy-washy on my decision, if that's what you went to call it.
VAN SUSTEREN: Which is at what point?
FAVRE: He took over, was that '05 or somewhere, three or four years. After 17 years, they run together, Greta. But we had two of our guards, fine football players, Marco Rivera (ph) on the right and Mike Wall (ph) on the left, were both up for contract. We knew that going into the season that year.
Ted takes over towards the latter part of the season. The season is over. I'm weighing my decision. Ted called me. You know, this is right - - right after the season. I said, Ted, you got to re-sign my linemen. As a quarterback, that's important to you. I said, you know, You got to -- at least one of them. OK, I'll do that.
So when I decided to come back, the following day, both guys signed elsewhere. OK. No big deal. I mean, it was a big deal, but you know -- so the next year, Mike Sherman (ph) is let go. And I said, Ted, will you do me a favor? And Steve Mariucci (ph) had been released probably four weeks previous, with a few games left in the season, close friend of mine. Everyone knows that. And he and I had talked occasionally. And I said, Hey, how is it, you know? He said, I have to admit, I got time -- you know, I have time to spend with my kids. He's got four kids. And you know, I miss it, but -- you know, a lot of small talk.
And so when our season is over and we don't have a coach, I said, Ted, would you do me a favor? Would you interview Steve Mariucci? Not would you sign him, or I'm not coming back. I said, Would you interview him. His exact words to me were, From when I understand, he doesn't want to coach again right now. And I said, That's true, but I talked to him two days ago, a day ago, whatever, and I said, Would you be interested in coaching at Green Bay? And he's from Iron Mountain (ph), Michigan, an hour-and-a-half north. And he said, That's always been a dream job. Sure I would. So I tell Ted that.
And he says, OK. So I go home, and I'm down here, and the next thing I know, Mike McCarthy's hired as the head coach, which -- so what? You know, he may do a fine job, whatever. No problem. And (INAUDIBLE) So I called Steve. I said, How did the interview go? What interview? He said, There was no interview. I said, Did Ted talk to you? He said yes. He said, A couple days after McCarthy was hired, he called me and just wanted to know if everything was OK, How're you doing, and all that stuff. And I thought, OK. So that's two.
The third one, that just kind of -- the trust are is not there is the whole Randy Moss deal, which I had tried to be quiet on that whole deal. I worked my butt off two years ago to try to get them to sign Randy Moss. And I mean, I'm being as honest as I can be. I told the media, No, you know, (INAUDIBLE) you know. But we had every opportunity to sign him. And had we offered him $3 million guaranteed, instead of $1.60 million and $100,000 per game if he dresses for that game, if we'd have just given the $3 million guaranteed and taken (ph) off the second year, we'd have had him. I know that for a fact.
And when they wouldn't do that, I offered to give up part of my salary, which, you know, is just an endless (ph) thing during that week, up until the draft. And so I tell him all this stuff, you know, and hey -- you know, Randy can't really run anymore. We watch him off (ph) field (ph) and he takes plays off, you know -- you know, all this stuff I'm hearing. And I'm, like, Look, the guy is scheduled to make $9 million with Oakland, $9.50 million, whatever, and he is willing to drop $6 million, $6.5 million, whatever, for one year. That tells me a lot. And I know there's been some bad blood with Randy and all that stuff. I mean, he stuck it to us on a couple things. But you know what? People can change. So I have no problem with him signing or not singing.
Yes, I lobbied hard, but after the draft that year, Ted was asked about, you know, Is it true Favre lobbied hard to get -- and there had been a lot of stuff about Tom Brady calling and getting Randy Moss, and I think a lot of Tom, but I'm thinking, Man, you know, he makes a couple of calls and get him signed. I've been working my tail off for weeks...
VAN SUSTEREN: And offering my salary.
FAVRE: Offering -- and Andrew Brand (ph), who was our financial guy at the time, he knows. Now, he is not with the Packers now, but he can confirm this. So they may not, but he can confirm this. And Ted's asked about it after the draft. Hey, you know -- the fact they didn't sign him, yes, I was upset. But that -- what upsets me more is when he was asked, Hey, is it true Favre lobbied hard? Not that I'm aware of.
Now, that's bull. That's bull. And you know, I took the high road. I came in for the season. Hey, you know, the Randy Moss thing, let's let it go. OK. Well, I mean, I -- you know, he can't run anymore. You know, he takes plays off. He had 23 touchdowns this year, broke an NFL record.
And so that's where I stand on that. And that's the third thing, you know? And none of those had anything to do with me retiring, once again, but you know, it's hard for me to trust, you know, this guy, when either I'm told one thing and everyone else is told another, or he's telling the public one thing and telling me another. And so -- and that's part of the reason for the release. Not only was I told that playing here was not an option, we're moving on, it's kind of been their company line, moving on -- that's OK. That's OK, if they want to move on. That's OK, Greta. But -- and I told them that. Mike and I, June 20, we had a conversation, and I said, You know, I'm thinking about coming back.
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