WASHINGTON – President Bush held a news conference on Tuesday, discussing the economy, including legislation on domestic oil and energy production, biofuels, the housing crisis and student loan assistance. He also faced questions on the Syrian nuclear weapons program, the Iraq war and budget issues and the Middle East.
PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH: Thank you. Good morning.
It's a tough time for our economy. Across our country, many Americans are understandably anxious about issues affecting their pocketbook, from gas and food prices to mortgage and tuition bills. They're looking to their elected leaders in Congress for action.
Unfortunately, on many of these issues, all they're getting is delay.
Americans are concerned about energy prices, and I can understand why. I think the last time I visited with you, I said it was like a tax increase on the working people.
The past 18 months, gas prices have gone up by $1.40 per gallon. Electricity prices for small business and families are rising as well.
I've repeatedly submitted proposals to help address these problems. Yet time after time Congress chose to block them.
One of the main reasons for high gas prices is that global oil production is not keeping up with growing demand. Members of Congress have been vocal about foreign governments increasing their oil production, yet Congress has been just as vocal in opposition to efforts to expand our production here at home.
They've repeatedly blocked environmentally safe exploration in ANWR. The Department of Energy estimates that ANWR could allow America to produce about a million additional barrels of oil every day, which translates to about 27 millions of gallons — gallons of gasoline and diesel every day.
That would be about a 20 percent increase of oil — crude oil production over U.S. levels, and it would likely mean lower gas prices.
And yet such efforts to explore in ANWR have been consistently blocked.
Another reason for high gas prices is the lack of refining capacity. It's been more than 30 years since America built its last new refinery. Yet in this area, too, Congress has repeatedly blocked efforts to expand capacity and build more refineries.
As electricity prices rise, Congress continues to block provisions needed to increase domestic electricity production by expanding the use of clean, safe nuclear power.
Instead, many of the same people in Congress who complain about high energy costs support legislation that would make energy even more expensive for our consumers and small businesses.
Congress is considering bills to raise taxes on domestic energy production, impose new and costly mandates on producers, and demand dramatic emissions cuts that would shut down coal plants and increase reliance on expensive natural gas. That would drive up prices even further.
The cost of these actions will be passed on to consumers in the form of even higher prices at the pump and even bigger electric bills.
Instead of increasing costs and imposing new road blocks to domestic energy production, Congress needs to clear away obstacles to more affordable, more reliable energy here at home.
Americans are concerned about rising food prices. Unfortunately, Congress is considering a massive, bloated farm bill that would do little to solve the problem.
The bill Congress is now considering would fail to eliminate subsidy payments to multimillionaire farmers. America's farm economy is thriving. The value of farmland is skyrocketing. And this is the right time to reform our nation's farm policies by reducing unnecessary subsidies.
It's not the time to ask American families who are already paying more in the checkout line to pay more in subsidies for wealthy farmers.
Congress can reform our farm programs, and should, by passing a fiscally responsible bill that treats our farmers fairly and does not impose new burdens on American taxpayers.
Americans are concerned about making their mortgage payments and keeping their homes. And I don't blame them.
Last year, I called on Congress to pass legislation that would help address problems in the housing market. This includes critical legislation that would modernize the Federal Housing Administration, reform Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and allow state housing agencies to issue tax-free bonds to refinance subprime loans.
Yet they failed to send a single one of these proposals to my desk.
Americans should not have to wait any longer for their elected officials to pass legislation to help more families stay in their homes.
Americans are concerned about the availability of student loans. The recent credit crunch makes it uncertain that some students will be able to get the loans they need.
My administration has taken action through the Department of Education's Lender of Last Resort Program, which works to arrange loans for students who are unable to secure one from a lender on their own.
In other words, we're helping.
Congress needs to do more by passing a bill that would temporarily give the federal government greater authority to buy federal student loans.
This authority would safeguard student loans without permanently expanding the government's role in their financing.
On all these issues, the American people are looking to their leaders to come together and act responsibly. I don't think it's just too much to ask even in an election year.
My administration will reach out to Congress. We will work to find areas of agreement so that we can deal with the economic pressures that our American taxpayers and American families are feeling.
I ask Congress to do its part by sending me sensible and effective bills that I can sign instead of just issuing or sending, you know, bills typically look like political statements.
We can work together. We can help Americans weather this difficult period. We can keep our country moving forward. And I'll be glad to take some of your questions. Jennifer.
QUESTION: Thank you, sir. You have said that we need to wait until the first stimulus has taken effect to act again, but since it was passed, gas prices have gone up, foreclosures have gone up, there have been layoffs, news just this morning that consumer confidence is down yet again.
Isn't it time to think about doing more?
And, on another issue, would you support a summer moratorium on the federal gas tax?
BUSH: First of all, the money is just now making it into people's bank accounts.
And I applaud the speaker and the leader of the Senate and minority leaders there for working together to get this done. And now, you know, after a period of time, the money is beginning to arrive. We'll see what the effects are.
And we'll look at any idea in terms of energy. Except, I will tell you this: that if Congress is truly interested in solving the problem, they can send the right signal by saying we're going to explore for oil and gas in the U.S. territories, starting with ANWR. We can do so in an environmentally friendly way.
They ought to say, you know, why don't we — I proposed, and you might remember, taking some abandoned military bases and providing regulatory relief so we can build new refineries.
I mean, if we're genuinely interested in moving forward with an energy policy that sends a signal to the world that we're not — we're going to try to become less reliant upon foreign oil, we can explore at home as well as continue on with an alternative fuels program.
BUSH: Yes, sir?
BUSH: No, I'm going to look at everything they propose. We'll take a look.
QUESTION: Thank you, Mr. President.
Were you premature in saying that the U.S. economy is not in a recession when food and energy prices are soaring so high?
And what more can you do to persuade Saudi Arabia during your upcoming visit to reconsider output levels and cut prices?
BUSH: You know, the words on how to define the economy don't reflect the anxiety the American people feel.
You know, the average person doesn't really care what we call it. The average person wants to know whether or not we know that they're paying higher gasoline prices and they're worried about staying in their homes.
And I do understand that. That's why we've been aggressively helping people refinance their homes. That's why I continue to call upon Congress to pass legislation that will enable people to stay in their homes.
These are tough times. People — economists can argue over the terminology. And these are difficult times. And the American people know it and they want to know whether or not Congress knows it.
I think an important signal to send on energy, just like I said, is to say, "OK, we're going to go find oil here at home."
You know, we're transitioning to a new era, by the way, a new era where we're going to have batteries in our cars that will power — you know, enable people to drive 40 miles on electricity. There's going to be more ethanol in the market, more alternative fuels. Our driving habits will change.
But in the meantime, we need to be sending a signal to the world markets that we intend to explore here in America.
We can also send a clear signal that we understand supply and demand and that when you don't build a refinery for 30 years, it's going to be a part of restricting supply. And therefore, we ought to expand our refining capacity by permitting new refineries and getting after it quickly.
On the electricity front, as you know, I'm a big believer in nuclear power, except we keep getting mixed signals out of Congress. And the regulatory system sends mixed signals.
And so — and to your question on the Saudis, look, I have made the case that, you know, the high price of oil injures economies. But I think we better understand that there's not a lot of excess capacity in this world right now.
You know, hopefully, high prices will spur more exploration to bring excess capacity on. But demand is rising faster than supply. And that's why you're seeing global energy prices rise.
And that's why it's important for us to try to take the pressure off by saying, "We're going to start exploring here at home."
QUESTION: Thank you, Mr. President.
I'd like to ask you about...
BUSH: You're welcome.
QUESTION: ... where food prices and energy policy come together: That's biofuels.
QUESTION: The World Bank says about 85 percent of the increase in corn price since 2002 is due to biofuel — increased demand for biofuels. And your secretary of state said that — indicated yesterday that she thought that that might be part of the problem.
Do you agree with that? And what can the United States do — what more can the United States do to help make food more affordable around the world?
BUSH: Actually, I have a little different take.
I thought it was 85 percent of the world's food prices are caused by weather, increased demand and energy prices — just the cost of growing product — and that 15 percent has been caused by, you know, ethanol — the arrival of ethanol.
By the way, the high price of gasoline is going to spur more investment in ethanol as an alternative to gasoline. And the truth of the matter is, it's in our national interest that we — our farmers, grow energy, as opposed to us purchasing energy from parts of the world that are unstable or may not like us.
In terms of the international situation, we are deeply concerned about food prices here at home, and we're deeply concerned about people who don't have food abroad. In other words, scarcity is of concern to us.
Last year we were very generous in our food donations, and this year we'll be generous as well. As a matter of fact, we just released about $200 million out of the Emerson Trust, as part of an ongoing effort to address scarcity.
One thing I think that would be — I know would be a very creative policy is if we — is if we would buy food from local farmers as a way to help deal with scarcity, but also as a way to put in place a — you know, an infrastructure so that nations can be self- sustaining and self-supporting.
It's a proposal I put forth that Congress hasn't responded to yet, and I sincerely hope they do.
QUESTION: Good morning, Mr. President. Thank you.
I just want to follow up on the idea of the gas tax moratorium, if I may, because you're indicating that, perhaps, you'd be open to it.
You mentioned in your opening remarks that...
BUSH: I'm open to any ideas and we'll analyze everything that comes our way, but go ahead.
QUESTION: Well, we're talking about, perhaps, the most immediate relief to people who are buying gasoline every day because it would be an 18.4-cents a gallon tax cut.
Senator Clinton and Senator McCain are in favor of it, Senator Obama is not.
QUESTION: But Americans are hearing about this every day.
So, could you flesh out, perhaps, some of your thinking about why this would be a good idea or not, why you would agree with Senator McCain or Senator Obama?
BUSH: I appreciate you trying to drag me in the '08 race. And this is the first attempt to do so, and I can understand why you would want to do that.
I will tell you that, first of all, the American people, they got to understand that here in the White House, we are concerned about high gasoline prices, we're concerned about high food prices, we're concerned about people staying in their homes and we're concerned about student loans, just like I described.
And Congress can, you know, be helpful. Congress — they can show leadership by dealing with these issues. And we'll consider interesting ideas.
But what I'm not going to do is jump right in the middle of a presidential campaign. We'll let the candidates argue out their ideas. I just told you I'll consider the ideas. If it's a good idea, we embrace it. If not, we're analyzing the different ideas coming forward.
QUESTION: Mr. President, you just said there's not a lot of excess supply out there. Some energy experts think we may have already passed or be within a couple of years of passing the maximum oil-pumping capability. In other words, we may be close to tapping all we've got.
Do you think that's the case? And if you do, why haven't you put more resources into renewable energy research, sir?
BUSH: We've put a lot into, you know, ethanol. And matter of fact, the solution to the issue of corn-fed ethanol is cellulosic ethanol, which is a fancy word for saying we're going to make ethanol out of switchgrasses or wood chips. And we're spending a lot of money along those lines.
But energy policy needs to be comprehensive. And we got to understand we're in a transition period.
The problem is there's been a lot of focus by the Congress in the intermediate steps and in the long-term steps, the long-term steps being hydrogen, the intermediate steps being, you know, biofuels, for example, and research into biofuels, and battery technology, but not enough emphasis on the here and now.
And so you ask — you say that people think we can't — there's not any more reserves to be found. Well, there are reserves to be found in ANWR. That's a given.
You know, I just told you that there's about 27 million gallons of diesel and gasoline that could be from domestically produced crude oil that's not being utilized.
And not only that, we can explore in environmentally friendly ways. New technologies enables for — to be able to drill like we've never been able to do so before; slant-hole technologies and the capacity to use a drill site — a single drill site to be able to explore a field in a way that doesn't damage the environment.
And, yet, this is a litmus-test issue for many in Congress. Somehow if you mention ANWR it means you don't care about the environment.
Well, I'm hoping now people, when they say ANWR, it means you don't care about the gasoline prices that people are paying.
QUESTION: Thank you, Mr. President, and good morning.
BUSH: Good morning.
I like a friendly guy here in the Rose Garden.
BUSH: (OFF-MIKE) that'd be you, Rog, a friendly guy here in the Rose Garden?
QUESTION: Thank you. Yes.
BUSH: Mr. Sunshine, they call you.
QUESTION: Fourteen senators, including your own senator, Kay Bailey Hutchison from Texas, calling on you to stop filling the Strategic Petroleum Reserve.
You've been asked that several times over the past few years, and I know what your answer has been. But do you think now, with the rising prices, the record-high oil prices, it's time to change course?
BUSH: In this case, I have analyzed the issue. And I don't think it would affect price, for this reason: We're buying, at the moment, about 67,000 to 68,000 barrels of oil per day for filling statutory obligations to fill up the SPRO.
World demand is 85 million barrels a day. So the purchases for SPRO account for 0.1 percent of global demand, and I don't think that's going to affect price when you affect 0.1 percent. And I do believe it is in our national interest to get the SPRO filled, in case there is a major disruption of crude oil around the world.
For example, one of the things al-Qaida would like to do is blow up oil facilities. Understand, we're in a global market. An attack on our oil facility in a major oil-exporting country would affect the economies of their enemy -- that would be us and other people who can't stand what al-Qaida stands for.
And, therefore, the SPRO is necessary, if that's the case, to be able to deal with that kind of contingency.
And if I thought it would affect the price of oil positively, I would seriously consider it. But when you're talking about 0.1 percent of global demand, I think the -- you know, I think, if you kind of (inaudible) a cost-benefit analysis, I don't think you'd get any benefits from making the decision. I do think it costs you, you know, oil, in the case of a national security risk.
QUESTION: Thank you, Mr. President.
And I'd like to switch to Afghanistan.
There was another attempt on President Karzai's life. There are operations going on there right now. Is the strategy succeeding? Are we winning in Afghanistan?
BUSH: Yes, I think we're making progress in Afghanistan. But there's a very resilient enemy that obviously wants to kill people that stand in the way of their re-imposition of a state that is -- which vision is incredibly dark.
I mean, it's very important for the American people to remember what life was like in Afghanistan prior to the liberation of the country. We had a government in place that abused people's human rights, they didn't believe in women's rights, they didn't let little girls go to school and they provided safe haven to al-Qaida.
In the liberation of this country, we've achieved some very important strategic objectives: denying al-Qaida safe haven for which to plot and plan attacks and replacing this repressive group with a -- you know, a young democracy.
And it's difficult in Afghanistan.
I mean, if you know the history of the country, you understand it's hard to go from the kind of society in which they had been living to one in which people are now responsible for their own behavior.
But I'm pleased with a lot of things. One, I'm pleased with the number of roads that have been built. I'm pleased with the number of schools that have opened up. I'm pleased that a lot of girls -- young girls are going to school. I'm pleased health clinics are now being distributed around the country.
I'm pleased with the Afghan army that when they're in the fight they're good.
You know, I wish we completely eliminated the radicals who kill innocent people to achieve objectives, but that hasn't happened yet. And so I think it's very much in our interest to continue helping the young democracy, and we will.
Yes? Obviously, you've got a follow-up.
QUESTION: Do you think we're winning? Do you think we're winning?
BUSH: I do. I think we're making good progress. I do, yes.
QUESTION: Can I just add to that, a couple weeks ago...
BUSH: No, you can't. This is the second follow-up. You usually get one follow-up. I was nice enough to give you one. I didn't give anybody on this side a follow-up, and now you are trying to take a second follow-up.
QUESTION: They didn't try.
BUSH: I know you tried.
BUSH: ... just cut off your mike. You can't. No.
QUESTION: A couple of weeks ago you said...
BUSH: Now she's going to go without the mike. This is awesome.
QUESTION: A couple of weeks ago you said that in Iraq, in 2006, you said we were winning and the strategy was working...
QUESTION: ... to keep up troop morale. How can we believe that you're not doing the same thing here?
BUSH: You tried to ask me that question before as a repeat.
Look, I said...
BUSH: Can I finish please?
The question you asked me before, at the exclusive I gave you on the ranch, was, You said that we were winning in the past.
I also said that there was tough fighting. Make sure you put the comments in place.
So what I'm going to tell you now is we're making progress in Afghanistan, but there's tough fighting. I'm under no illusions that this isn't tough. I know full well we're dealing with a determined enemy.
I believe it's in our interests that we defeat that enemy.
And so, yeah, we're making progress. But it's also a tough battle.
We're facing people who are willing to strap bombs on themselves and walk into places where the innocent dwell or the innocent shop and kill them.
Is there an interest to confront these people now, whether it be in Afghanistan or Iraq or Europe or anywhere else? And the answer is absolutely it's in our interests.
And the notion that somehow we can let these people just. kind of. have their way or, you know, just don't stir them up, is naive or disingenuous, and it's not in our nation's interest.
We are in a global struggle against thugs and killers. And the United States of America has got to continue to take the lead.
And so in Afghanistan, yes, we're making progress.
Does that mean, you know, that it's over? No, it doesn't mean it's over. We're in a long struggle, as I've told you many a time, against these jihadists.
You defeat them ultimately by the advance of democracy.
See, this is an ideological struggle. These aren't isolated law enforcement moments.
We're dealing with a group of ideologues who use asymmetrical warfare -- that means killing innocent people -- to try to achieve their objectives. And one objective is to drive us out of Afghanistan, Iraq, the Middle East or anywhere else where we try to confront them.
And so, yes, I mean, look, is it tough? Yes, it's tough. Is it difficult? Absolutely. Is it worth the fight? In my judgment, yes, it is.
BUSH: I can't hear you too well. Sorry, got a flawed mike.
Martha, what did you do to the mike?
She wanted an exclusive again. Anyway.
QUESTION: Mr. President, thank you, sir.
And previously, when asked about Israel's September bombing of a Syrian facility, you refused aggressively to discuss it. Then suddenly last week, your administration released classified photos and details of that bombing, intelligence officials claiming that it showed that this facility was a North Korean-designed nuclear facility being actually built with the help of Pyongyang.
Why the turnaround, sir? What did you hope that that would accomplish?
And what do you say to lawmakers of both parties on Capitol Hill who are quite concerned that, indeed, if this was what this facility was, that it took some eight months for you to inform them, sir?
BUSH: Thank you.
Let me correct the record. We briefed 22 members of Congress of what I'm about to tell you.
First, we were concerned that an early disclosure would increase the risk of a confrontation in the Middle East or retaliation in the Middle East.
As I mentioned to you, early on we did notify 22 members of Congress, key committee chairmen.
And, you know I was -- I'm mindful that there was going to be this kind of reaction. And, of course, we wanted to include more members of Congress at a time when, you know, we felt the risk of retaliation or, you know, confrontation in the Middle East was reduced.
BUSH: So that moment came upon us, and then extended the briefings.
We also wanted to advance certain policy objectives through the disclosures. And one would be to the North Koreans to make it abundantly clear that, We may know more about you than you think, and, therefore, it's essential that you have a -- you know, a complete disclosure on not only your plutonium activities but proliferation as well as enrichment activities.
And then we have an interest in sending a message to -- to Iran and the world, for that matter, about just how destabilizing a nuclear proliferation would be in the Middle East; and that it's essential that we work together to enforce U.N. Security Council resolutions aimed at getting Iran to stop their enrichment programs.
In other words, one of the things that this example shows is that, you know, these programs can exist and people don't know about them and -- as the Syrians simply didn't declare the program. They had a hidden program.
And, finally, we wanted to make it clear to Syria and the world that their intransigence in dealing with, you know, helping us in Iraq or destabilizing Lebanon or dealing with Hamas, which is a destabilizing force in our efforts to have a Palestinian state coexist peacefully with Israel -- those efforts are -- you know, gives us a chance to remind the world that we need to work together to deal with those issues.
So that's why we made the decision we made.
QUESTION: Mr. President, you've expressed frustration with Congress, obviously, over the economic -- wanting them to do more on the economy. They've blocked you on Colombia. They've blocked you on the FISA issue.
Are you frustrated, are you angry, and do you have any real hope of being able to work with this Congress this year?
BUSH: I am -- I believe that they're letting the American people down, is what I believe.
On the FISA issue, it is hard to believe that it's OK to pass the Protect America Act in August of 2007 and that act -- people in Congress don't believe that act is relevant in 2008.
I mean, the act was set to expire, it did, and yet this threat hasn't gone away.
And I can only -- you know, it's either a lack of leadership or a lack of understanding of the issue. And either way, it's not good for the country.
We need to make sure our professionals have the tools to protect the American people from attack.
And on the Colombia Free Trade Agreement, you know, this economy is, as I mentioned to you, it's a sour time. It's tough for the American people. And yet the Colombia Free Trade Agreement would benefit our economy.
And the reason why is is that many goods from Colombia come into our country duty-free. And yet our goods going to Colombia are taxed through tariff.
And American people expect the president and the Congress to at least insist that a foreign country treat us the way we treat them.
And, in this case, the benefits will be more exports, more mid-size and small businesses exporting into Colombia.
About 9,000 exporters in the Colombia today; 8,000 are mid-size and small businesses. And when you can export more, it helps the economy. And one of the bright lights of the economy has been the amount of exports going overseas.
So, rather than playing politics or whatever rationale that they have made for Colombia, they ought to be saying, This is good for our economy. It's good for workers. It's good for small businesses.
And so I'm perplexed, I guess is the best way to describe it, about why there's no action -- inactivity on big issues.
And because the two issues you mentioned -- FISA, protecting America, and Colombia, protecting America's economy by encouraging growth -- are important to people whether they be Republicans, Democrats or independents.
QUESTION: Thank you, Mr. President.
BUSH: You're welcome.
QUESTION: I'm still waiting for my exclusive at the ranch.
QUESTION: Mr. President, today...
BUSH: I'm at loss for words.
If only you'd have been at the White House Correspondents Dinner, I would have invited you.
Anyway, please, go ahead.
It's an inside joke for everybody listening.
QUESTION: Mr. President, you have spoken today about opening ANWR for drilling and also refineries. But these are clearly long-term solutions to the problem of rising gas prices. What can you tell Americans about what your administration is going in the short term?
And, secondly, have you been briefed on tomorrow's GDP numbers...
BUSH: No, I haven't.
QUESTION: ... and are you concerned -- OK. OK, and are you concerned that they will show us to officially be in a recession?
BUSH: I think they'll show that it's a very slow economy. I can't guess what the number will be.
And I haven't been shown truly.
And, by the way, opening up ANWR is not long term. It's intermediate term. But it sends a clear signal, is what it does. It sends a signal to the markets that the United States is not going to restrict exploration; the United States is going to encourage exploration.
And in the meantime, we have done -- increasing CAFTA, for example. But the market's going to, you know, do as much for encouraging conservation as anything else is now.
And so I firmly believe that, you know, if there was a magic wand to wave, I'd be waving it, of course. It's -- you know, I strongly believe it's in our interest that we reduce gas prices -- gasoline price.
It'd be like a major tax cut for people.
BUSH: Let me finish, please, Cheryl (ph). Strike one on the exclusive.
Excuse me, strike two.
That -- made me lose my train of thought. Of course, maybe that's what you're attempting to do.
No, I think that if there was a magic wand to say, OK, drop price, I'd do that.
And so part of this is to set the psychology right that says to the world, We're not going to become more beholden on your oil, we're going to open up and be aggressive and have an aggressive energy policy.
Secondly, we're going to be sending a signal we're going to be building new refineries.
But there is no magic wand to wave right now. It took us a while to get to this fix. That's why I told you that if Congress had responded -- matter of fact, Congress did pass ANWR in the late 1900s -- 1990s -- end of the 1900s -- 1990s, but it didn't go forward.
And, you know, it's my considered judgment, given the technological advances, to say, This is -- you know, will destroy the environment, is just -- I don't think it's an accurate statement.
And so I think it's very important, Cheryl (ph), for Congress.
The other thing Congress can do, if you want to send a good signal during these uncertain times, is make the tax cuts permanent, is to let people -- send the signal that people are going to be able to keep their money. And I think that'll help the psychology of the country.
QUESTION: Mr. President, do you feel...
BUSH: Yes, you can use the mike.
QUESTION: Do you feel your foreign policy in the Middle East has been undermined by Jimmy Carter's meeting with Hamas leaders? What harm does it do for him to have met with Hamas leaders?
BUSH: Foreign policy and peace is undermined by Hamas in the Middle East.
They're the ones who are undermining peace. They're the ones whose foreign policy objective is the destruction of Israel. They're the ones who are, you know, trying to create enough violence to stop the advance of the two-party state solution. They are a significant problem to world peace -- or Middle Eastern peace.
And that's the reason I'm not talking to them. And that's the reason why -- you know, it's just important for people to understand that this is a -- we're witnessing a struggle between those who understand liberty and believe in the advance of liberty and those who want to stop the advance of liberty. And Hamas has made their position very clear.
Unfortunately, they're getting help. In Syria they get help. There's rumors about Iranian help. And these countries that I just named are -- you know, take, for example, Lebanon. I talked to Prime Minister Siniora today.
Here's a struggling democracy in the heart of the Middle East that is -- whose internal politics are being influenced by Syria, Hezbollah, as a result of Iranian influence with Hezbollah, all aiming to destabilize the country, which should be a clear signal about the intents of -- the intentions of groups like Hezbollah and Hamas.
So, if you want to talk about peace being difficult in the Middle East, it's going to be difficult, but it's even made more difficult by entities like Hamas who insist upon lobbing rockets into Israel, trying to provoke response and trying to destabilize -- even destabilize the region more.
And, you know, anybody can talk to who they want. But I just want the people to understand that the problem is Hamas. And until Hamas changes or until there's a competing vision in the Middle East for President Abbas, Prime Minister Fayyad to offer to the Palestinian people, that's all the more reason to try to define a state.
And that's why I'm going to the Middle East, besides going to the 60th anniversary of Israel.