O'REILLY: Ok but you know how the government works, correct? The government works by departments. Everything in the bureaucracy is headed by a department all right. So the Treasury Department handles this, the Justice Department handles that, the Defense handles this. Health and Human Services handled Obamacare because that's health. All right. The CEO is Kathleen Sebelius.
O'REILLY: No, stop, Kelly. Stop.
KELLY: Well I mean, President Obama would know she had nothing, she doesn't know anything about building a Web site. Why didn't he find somebody who does?
O'REILLY: That's the key. So Sebelius is the CEO. She was in place. She couldn't do the job absolutely. To this day, she has no clue about any of this. However, she's still there, right.
KELLY: Yes that's right.
O'REILLY: All right, with no assistants coming into sort all this out.
KELLY: And let me just make another point about Ms. Sebelius. She of course knew nothing about Web sites and that was completely bungled. But more than that, she is the one who put those regulations in place in June of 2010 that effectively eliminated the grandfathering the President was so relying upon.
O'REILLY: So she's the CEO.
KELLY: She did it.
KELLY: And for the President to come out today and say those Democrats, it wasn't their fault, it's all on me because I did say that they could keep their plans if they wanted to and they believed my promise is not true. It's not true. Because Sebelius passed those regulations on her own in June of 2010.
Republican Mike Enzi went to the Senate floor and said listen this is going to gut the whole grandfathering clause and every Democrat voted against him.
O'REILLY: Ok but here is the deal. You know that I'm right pretty much all the time right.
KELLY: So you tell me.
O'REILLY: Yes and you've modeled yourself after me to some extent.
O'REILLY: Katherine Sebelius and President Obama I will submit to you never had a conversation about anything.
O'REILLY: Ok would you submit that that's her --
KELLY: It certainly seems that way.
O'REILLY: Ok so they don't talk about anything because President Obama is bored with that. He doesn't want to do that. President Obama didn't read the law. He doesn't have anybody in the White House who's going to tell him anything contrary.
All his guys are like Martin Van Buren to Andrew Jackson. That's right, General. You're a genius, general. Ok, ok Old Kinderhood that's how the word came into the English language. Ok. Old Kinderhood Martin Van Buren because everything Jackson said, he went, yes, yes, yes. That's what's going on. But President Obama when he gets up there and says you know what, I thought it was this or I didn't know that and I thought -- he thought it.
KELLY: But it's not good enough.
O'REILLY: Of course not. That goes to incompetence.
KELLY: I -- you talk to any executive, any CEO of a company they'll tell you am I the expert, in what my company does not necessarily but that's why I have a chief financial officer, a chief operating officer.
O'REILLY: Yes you have to hire people.
KELLY: A chief technology officer.
KELLY: And then you talk to those people who have the expertise. And you as the CEO stay on top of it --
O'REILLY: But the President doesn't talk to anyone. He doesn't talk to anyone.
KELLY: Well apparently not because he's claiming he didn't even know that the Web site was in trouble until we all found about it together.
O'REILLY: See look -- and that's what I want the audience to understand. When he goes out there and goes, well, I thought -- he thought because he didn't care enough.
KELLY: He had an obligation to find out.
O'REILLY: Right and Ezekiel the guy who you, he's the same way. These are big picture guys -- pie in the sky guys. They're not computer guys. All right so that's how it came down -- inefficient government.
KELLY: Well let me tell you, that -- that I know you talked about the proposed fix. There are a lot of problems with this proposed fix that they're falling back on.
O'REILLY: I just said that.