• With: Bob Costas

    O'REILLY: Right.

    COSTAS: There is -- there is that. There -- there ought to be training programs for those who purchase guns. I don't see any reason why someone should be able to purchase military-style artillery and body armor and automatic weapons. Only the police or the military should have that --

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    O'REILLY: All right, all of those are reasonable positions --

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    COSTAS: That's all fine.

    O'REILLY: -- even if you disagree.

    COSTAS: And none -- none of that impinges on someone's Second Amendment rights or the right to protect their home and their family.

    O'REILLY: Ok. And -- you know what? I agree with most of that --

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    COSTAS: Fine.

    O'REILLY: But here is where you made your mistake. Are you ready for your mistake, Costas?

    COSTAS: Yes, I'd like to hear it.

    O'REILLY: All right, you're going to.

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    COSTAS: It demonstrates itself in the Wild West/Dirty Harry mentality of people who actually believe that if a number of people were armed in the theater in Aurora, they would have been able to take down this nut job in body armor and military style artillery, when, in fact, almost every policeman in the country would tell you that that would have only increased the tragedy and added to the carnage.

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    COSTAS: Yes, sir.

    O'REILLY: No. No. Now here's the deal.

    COSTAS: What do you mean no?

    O'REILLY: I'll tell you what I mean. You and I are in a theater --

    COSTAS: Yes.

    O'REILLY: Ok, in Colorado.

    COSTAS: Yes.

    O'REILLY: We're watching the Batman movie.

    COSTAS: Yes.

    O'REILLY: The nut comes in through the back door --

    COSTAS: Yes.

    O'REILLY: -- with his guns and he opens fire.

    COSTAS: And his body armor.

    O'REILLY: His body armor, whatever else he had and he opens fire.

    So you and I are looking now -- and where --

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    COSTAS: And this gun that can fire off hundreds of rounds --

    O'REILLY: Right. And we're saying to ourselves, gee, I really don't want to get killed here. And you're seeing other people go down.

    Answer my question now. It's a very simple -- as you know, I'm a simple man. Would you rather have the choice of ducking down on the floor or having a handgun on you to pull out and defend yourself against the man?

    COSTAS: The hypothetical that you present --

    O'REILLY: Thank you.

    COSTAS: -- presupposes that, in most cases, someone dressed like the joker is not going to show up with a bazooka.