• With: Texas Gov. Rick Perry

    PERRY: ... in these cities. It's one of the reasons I'm so upset, frustrated with the Department of Homeland Security. Grants that should be coming to the states to assist with this type of border security, and they're cutting them, rather than beefing them up. That's what I'm worried about, is that as bad as that is today, it's only going to get worse because the cartels see this administration basically saying, "The border's safe, don't worry about anything."

    VAN SUSTEREN: Governor, thank you. And I know that you've got to check on Dallas.

    PERRY: Yes, we do.

    VAN SUSTEREN: You got a long night ahead of you. Thank you, Governor.

    And to the viewers -- there is so much more tonight and again tomorrow night. You're going to get the behind-the-scenes look at where the governor took us today, right to the action right on the border. And right now, though, you'll see where our day did begin, in the briefing room with Governor Perry.


    PERRY: The Department of Homeland Security is cutting the grants in Austin, San Antonio, one other major metropolitan...


    PERRY: El Paso.


    PERRY: I mean, three places where you ought to be increasing the funding to go after these drug cartels, they're cutting them. So again, just, you know, some very strong evidence of either they don't know or they don't care about what's going on on this border.

    VAN SUSTEREN: When President Obama was here last week, he was talking illegal immigration and immigration. Did he at all speak to you or reach out to you? Or have you been able to communicate with him at all on the problem?

    PERRY: This last trip through, they offered us to meet on the tarmac at the airport in El Paso. You know, that's about 400 miles for a 10- minute conversation that I knew was not going to be substantive. We declined.

    He was also coming to Austin, and I offered to meet with him in Austin, as much time as he would like to have at any venue. And he declined. And the reason his -- I don't know what his declination was. But he declined to meet with us in Austin. That would have made a lot of sense to me. He was coming to Austin anyway. But this president either does not know or does not care what is going on on the border of Texas.

    VAN SUSTEREN: We do have the access nationally. If we -- if someone declared war on us, we'd have access in a second. I'm not sure that the federal government has been down here and sees what all of you tell me. I think that's the probably because I think if they had that sort of sense of urgency that all of you give me in the room, I think the assets would be here. And that's why I asked if they spoke to you when you were here, if they -- you know, if they walked the border with you. Who's walked the border with you?

    PERRY: I can't tell you if there's been a federal official walk this border with any sense of time (ph) in my tenure as being the governor. Now, I know that administrative officials have come here. Two weeks ago, the border was a handy photo-op. But the fact is, the president left here with no more knowledge about what's going on in Texas than before he got here. Now, he left Austin with some money, but he didn't leave here with any more knowledge about what's going on in Texas.

    VAN SUSTEREN: When I -- I've been here for just a little bit of time, and I've seen Doc's pictures. They're ugly. They're things that he finds out on his ranch. I would think if the federal government had that information, they might have a slightly more -- have a greater sense of urgency. And if they knew the different -- if they knew the number of nationalities that are coming through here -- it's not just drugs. It's not just -- I mean, there's a lot to this.

    PERRY: Greta, I will tell you that the federal government knows this information. This is not something closely held in this command post. This is information that...


    VAN SUSTEREN: What's the problem?

    PERRY: I think America's asking the same question. Why does this administration not actively secure this border?

    VAN SUSTEREN: (INAUDIBLE) will if something catastrophic happens.

    PERRY: Well...

    VAN SUSTEREN: That's the problem. That's the problem. If...

    PERRY: Unfortunately, that is what I deal with every day. I don't want the people of the state of Texas to have to be the catalyst that finally gets the administration to understand that there is great terror on our southern border.


    VAN SUSTEREN: And that is just the beginning of our trip with Governor Perry. And what is really being done on the border? "On the Record" cameras take you in the air to a place you've never even seen on the ground.