• BREWER: Well, you know, the terrain is a little bit more difficult to secure. But the bottom of -- the bottom issue is, is that is we can secure it. We can get those fences up there. We can have unmanned aerial vehicles for surveillance. And -- and it's not impossible.

    One of the problems, of course, is that we have federal land down there, and we can't have law enforcements going onto that federal land. I mean, it's like a wide-open corridor, where the illegal immigrants are coming through with the drug cartels. And they just have an open area which they can travel where law enforcement can't enter.

    So I will say this. Congressman Bishop from Utah is introducing legislation on the federal level to give access to those law enforcement enforcers to go onto the federal land. And I'm hoping that our Congress will pass it to give them access.

    VAN SUSTEREN: Governor, if you'll stand -- Governor, if you'll stand by, we have much more with you coming up.


    VAN SUSTEREN: We're back with Arizona Governor Jan Brewer. Governor, I certainly know your view on securing the border. That's been pretty plain to me. But I'm -- but let me ask you about post-securing the border. What would you -- what -- what do you think we should do about overall national immigration policy? What would you suggest?

    BREWER: Well, you know, I think it's something that needs to be discussed. I certainly think that we need some legal pathway, of course, to allow legal immigrants into America, into Arizona. We certainly can utilize a lot of their talents in regards to our workforces here. So I think that it's something that we need to really sit down and collectively look at and see just where exactly where we can lead (ph) this agreement between immigration and America.

    But you know, I believe that -- I don't want to go there now. You know, I know that we need some kind of an immigration reform. Right now, I am dead set and focused on one thing and one thing only, and that is our border security.

    VAN SUSTEREN: If the Democrats were to roll the dice and say, OK, we're going to secure the borders and we're not going to, you know, roll in right now an issue of a comprehensive immigration reform, what is it that the Republicans who are so dead set on separating those issues could say to the Democrats now to convince them that, yes, once the borders are secure, we will turn towards swiftly resolving the other issue?

    BREWER: Well, I think they would say and I would hope that the majority would agree that it is absolutely an issue of which we need to discuss. And we have to come to some agreement of how we're going to do that and set forth some parameters about how we're going to accomplish that. You know, nothing is accomplished just by saying, We're going to do this, this and this. You got to sit down. You got to vet it. You've got to move forward.

    But I believe that, you know, in the past, we've seen elected officials on both sides of the aisle discuss this and made some progress. Progress can be made. But I don't believe it's going to happen until our border is secured. It is an issue, regardless of what the president wants to believe or what he wants to pursue. I don't believe it's going to happen simply because America wants our borders secured! And they've been promised in the past that if we did certain things that some people agree with, that the borders would be secured. It didn't happen. So we're not - - we're not banking on promises anymore.

    VAN SUSTEREN: When the president sent down Mr. Brennan -- and frankly, I would have thought it would have been a lot smarter to send down former governor Napolitano to handle it because it is so sensitive at this point and she certainly sure gets the problem of Arizona. Since he sent Mr. Brennan down, have they contacted you at all? Has there been any sort of movement beyond the Powerpoint presentation?

    BREWER: No. No. And you know, that was so disappointing. We had been hopeful when they came that they would have given us information, at least a hard copy of the deck (ph) of the Powerpoint. You know, nothing was left with us. It was a very fast presentation, and you know, and not really valid, solid information, you know, a bunch of data kinds of things that you can throw about and around.

    We wanted to be able to be prepared so that we could be helpful in the dialogue. And unfortunately, nothing was even given us to us prior to them arriving here. So although I appreciate them coming, it really didn't serve any purpose. You know, we -- what we found out is that they're willing to give more money to Mexico than they are to -- you know, to -- than they are willing to spend on National Guard on our borders. And although we are appreciative of, of course, the National Guard, if and when they ever arrive, you know, it's not enough. It's not enough.

    You know, I was hoping for a good dialogue, a sensible dialogue, and where do we go from here and how do we -- how are we able to get more people on the border that can protect the border and deliver to the people of Arizona what is absolutely necessary. That wasn't discussed. You know, it's...

    VAN SUSTEREN: Is -- so is the next step that Arizona goes full speed ahead on enforcing its law when it goes into effect at the end of July, and the only thing that might sort of get in the way or create an issue is if the federal government files a lawsuit? I mean, there's no other discussion planned between you and the White House, right?

    BREWER: That's correct. That's correct. And of course, we already have people that have filed lawsuits. I believe we have five. And we are prepared, you know, to stand up and defend Arizona in that regard. I think it's pretty sad that the federal government would file suit against the state of Arizona on a piece of legislation, a law that has been enacted that mirrors the federal law. They could sue themselves, and they could save a lot of time and energy and money and sue themselves and then give us the money for border security.

    VAN SUSTEREN: Governor, thank you. And of course, as you know, we're going to be following this story. Thank you, Governor.

    BREWER: Thank you, Greta.