• With: Karl Rove

    This is a rush transcript from "On the Record," November 8, 2013. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

    GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, FOX NEWS HOST: OK, don't worry, folks. If you like your apology, you can keep it. But apparently, not everyone is convinced.


    BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: If you like the plan you have -- you'll be able to keep your doctor.

    You should be able to keep your health care.

    You won't have to do a thing.

    If you like your doctor, you'll keep your doctor.

    You can keep your health care plan.

    RUSH LIMBAUGH, RADIO TALK SHOW HOST: He's not apologizing for what he said, folks.

    OBAMA: It's a small percentage of folks that may be disadvantaged. I am sorry that they, you know, are finding themselves in this situation based on assurances they got from me.

    PAT BUCHANAN, FORMER SENIOR WHITE HOUSE ADVISOR: He's not apologizing to the nation, which was systematically and deliberately misled.

    SEN. LINDSEY GRAHAM, R-S.C.: He fundamentally misled the American people.

    LIMBAUGH: So he goes out and now compounds the original lie with a fake apology.

    BUCHANAN: I think it's unsatisfactory entirely.

    REP. MIKE LEE, R-UTAH: I think it's refreshing that the president is acknowledging that this is a problem.

    It's also refreshing to hear the president say he's going to do everything he can to take care of this problem.

    OBAMA: We're going to do everything we can to deal with folks who find themselves in a tough position.

    KATHLEEN SEBELIUS, HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES SECRETARY: Options for solutions is something that's under discussion, but there is no specific option right now.

    OBAMA: We didn't do enough -- good enough job, and I regret that.

    SEBELIUS: Do I wish things had operated totally smoothly on October 1st? You bet.

    SEN. TIM SCOTT, R-S.C.: We are now more than 30 days into one of the greatest website disasters in history.

    SEBELIUS: Was October a bad month? You bet.

    OBAMA: I want to go in and fix it myself, but I don't write code.

    You know, Kathleen Sebelius doesn't write code.

    Ultimately, the buck stops with me.


    VAN SUSTEREN: Karl Rove joins us.

    Nice to see you, Karl.


    VAN SUSTEREN: It's pretty fair to say the president, the administration, is on the ropes, certainly on the website, and a good start is a good apology. A lot of Republicans are unconvinced, as Rush Limbaugh isn't convinced.

    ROVE: It wasn't a good apology. You do not apologize for a lie by telling another lie.

    VAN SUSTEREN: Which is what? What's the other lie?

    ROVE: First of all, I meant what I said. Oh, really? You meant what you said, if you can keep -- if you like your plan, you can keep it? And we worked hard to try and make sure that we implemented it properly, but obviously, we didn't do enough -- a good enough job, and I regret that.

    The Affordable Care Act was designed in a way that meant that people were going to lose their coverage. In December of 2009, the Congressional Budget Office estimated between seven million and eight million people would lose their coverage in a public letter sent to the majority leader of the United States Senate, Harry Reid. And should be, in March 2010, in a letter sent by the CBO to Nancy Pelosi, updating their estimate, they repeated that they thought that a minimum of seven million to eight million would lose their coverage. That was, again, a public letter. In April, the Health and Human Services Department said, no, no, no, it will be 14 million. There have been a whole series of report since then that have said, no, no. The estimate from the Luan Group (ph) was 17 million, from the American Action Network, 35 million, from the National Center for Policy Analysis, 100 million. Why? Because the law is designed in a way that says, if you have a policy that does not meet higher standards, more benefits, and these exacting requirements, it has to be canceled.

    Now, look, this has been a part of the law. And the president knew it was a part of the law. We worked hard to try and -- try to make sure we implemented it properly. The law called for these plans to be outlawed and canceled. And so, the president is sitting here now saying, well, I'm sorry it was an unintended consequence. Was he so out of the loop that he didn't understand this was a consequence of requiring expanded benefits, guaranteed issue, a thing called community rating, a thing called medical loss? Was he out -- was he so out of it he didn't understand it? Was he not reading the documents that his own staff was receiving from the CBO that were mimicked, incidentally, by his own OMB? Did he not understand when the actuary at HHS said, no, these estimates are way too low, it will be at least 14 million? He implemented it as it was required to be implemented.

    Now, the other thing in this apology, he said, oh, it's just a tiny -- what is it he said? A small percentage --

    VAN SUSTEREN: 5 percent.

    ROVE: 5 percent.