• With: Sen. Ted Cruz

    This is a rush transcript from "On the Record," September 27, 2013. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

    GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, FOX NEWS HOST: Tonight: Even the Senate chaplain is fed up!


    UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Lord, deliver us governing by crisis.

    SEN. TED CRUZ, R-TEXAS: ObamaCare is the single largest job killer in this country!

    UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The false promises of ObamaCare have been shattered by the harsh realities!

    BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: The House Republicans are so concerned with appeasing the Tea Party that they've threatened a government shutdown or worse unless I gut or repeal the Affordable Care Act.

    UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We are at one of the most dangerous points in our history right now, every bit as dangerous of the breakup of the union before the Civil War.

    CRUZ: Senate Democrats are not listening to the millions of Americans who are being hurt by ObamaCare!

    UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Don't kid yourself to think this isn't a road to socialized medicine if we end up not being able to do something about ObamaCare!

    UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, we're (INAUDIBLE) negotiating with people who have a bomb strapped their chests.

    UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The only phrase that describes it is political terrorism.

    CRUZ: I hope the Senate Democrats begin listening to young people, that they begin listening to single moms, that they begin listening to immigrants, they begin listening to people who are retired, people with disabilities, that they begin listening to married people, that they begin listening to union workers!

    SEN. ED MARKEY, D-MASS.: To the old, to the sick, to the needy, to every single principle of the United States of America that we stand for, it's off with their heads!

    SEN. BERNIE SANDERS, I-VT.: ... because a handful of right-wing extremists are so determined to try to destroy this president.

    UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is how a country goes broke! This is how a country goes broke!

    UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I hope the good guys win.

    CRUZ: We listened to the American people the way Senate Democrats are not!

    OBAMA: Knock it off. Pass a budget, and move on.


    VAN SUSTEREN: ... he is not giving up the fight to defeat ObamaCare. Senator Cruz joins us. Nice to see you, sir.

    SEN. TED CRUZ, R-TEXAS: Greta, it's always great to be back.

    VAN SUSTEREN: OK, Senate vote today, 79 to 19, 25 Republicans crossed over and voted with the Democrats. And you say it's not over. So where does it go from here?

    CRUZ: Well, it goes from here to the House of Representatives. And last week, the House stood strong. They passed a strong bill that defunded ObamaCare. They listened to the people.

    And I am hopeful and optimistic they're going to continue to do the same thing. They're going to pass another strong bill and they're going to send it back to the Senate. And it's going to be back in our lap, and I hope this time, when it comes back to the Senate that Senate Republicans come together and stand shoulder to shoulder with House Republicans to actually fix this disaster of a law.

    VAN SUSTEREN: What makes you think that would happen? Because if it goes back to the -- or it's going back to the House, and let's say the House puts back in the defunding of ObamaCare, the same bill, and then ships it back across to the Senate, why would you expect the Senate vote to be any different this time around?

    CRUZ: Well, I don't know if they'll put the same language back in or if they'll do something else. What I think is critical is that they act to stop the harmful consequences that millions of Americans are feeling because of ObamaCare.

    You know, one of the things we really tried to focus on this week is all of the millions of Americans who are struggling to find jobs because of ObamaCare, who are facing the threat of being forcibly reduced to part- time work, to 29 hours a week, because of ObamaCare, who are seeing skyrocketing health insurance premiums because of ObamaCare and who are seeing their health care taken away or threatened to be taken away because of ObamaCare.

    And what I think is critical is that the House step up and stop that damage, stand for the American people. And if they do that, I hope the second time around -- it's an opportunity for Senate Republicans all to come home and for us to stand united, and I hope that's what we do.

    VAN SUSTEREN: Well, you know, I guess I'm a little bit -- I don't think that's likely to happen in the Senate. But I don't know. You know the Senate better than I do. But I don't think the vote is going to -- is likely to change.

    Would you be satisfied if the House bill that came back to the Senate was one that delayed ObamaCare for one year, didn't defund it but delayed it for a year? Is that something that you could stand behind?

    CRUZ: Look, I don't want to dictate terms to the House of Representatives. There are 435 members in the House. Each is elected in their districts and each member has to be accountable to his or her constituents.

    VAN SUSTEREN: But that would -- I mean, is that something, though, is that -- do you consider it something that would be effective in your strategy if you could put it off for one year? For you.

    CRUZ: For me, what I have said is that I will not vote for any continuing resolution that funds ObamaCare because I think ObamaCare is a disaster. I think it's a train wreck. I think it's a nightmare. You know, I'll note the last two terms, train wreck is what the Democratic senator, the lead author of ObamaCare called it, and nightmare is what James Hoffa, the president of the Teamsters called it.

    And so from my end, I'm not going to vote for any continuing resolution that funds it, and I hope that the House continues doing what they do. I mean, I really want to salute Speaker Boehner and Leader Cantor and House leadership for joining arm in arm, bringing together all the Republicans in the House to listen to the American people. That's what they did last time, and I hope and believe they'll continue to do that.

    VAN SUSTEREN: So I guess -- I mean, I don't want to beat -- want to beat a dead horse, so I understand, is that if they -- if they came back, the House, and said there are two choices, one is we'll revisit it in a year, or two, that they'll postpone it in a year -- I guess revisit in a year would not be a funding, right? So that's probably something you could live with? Don't know?

    CRUZ: Anything that stops the harmful consequences of ObamaCare for millions of Americans is a good thing.

    VAN SUSTEREN: For a year, or do you want it definitively decided now?

    CRUZ: Look, if you ask me what I'd like, I'd like it for all time, but I'm certainly someone who will take -- what's critical is are we actually fighting for the people and we're making their lives better? And if we're doing that, we're doing our jobs.