• With: Robert Zimmerman, Jr.

    And the other thing is, is that -- is that you sort of look at the whole -- whole universe of her rulings and whether they were, you know, grossly unfair. I may have disagreed with some of her rulings if I were the lawyer -- lawyers, but -- but you know, overall, you know, I thought that was bizarre, but it as not -- maybe it was just a judge who was exhausted and not thinking.

    ZIMMERMAN: Yes. I mean, everybody was exhausted at that time. I mean, there was a very contentious exchange between Mr. West and the judge and the judge...

    VAN SUSTEREN: See, I don't think she liked him. I don't think she liked West at all. I thought that was pretty apparent. But that was -- I didn't see much of that in front of the jury.

    ZIMMERMAN: No. And thankfully not because then that reflects, you know, poorly on the client, especially if he's being asked if he's going to take the stand or not, and that kind of exchange happens, it looks like he might be intending on hiding something, you know, so thank God it didn't happen in front of the jury. And the judge moved the case along pretty quickly.

    VAN SUSTEREN: Now, George gets his gun back. Any problem with that in your mind?

    ZIMMERMAN: George is an innocent man. The presumption of innocence that his -- he is entitled to is carried throughout the proceedings and now he has been found to be exonerated of charges. So he is just as innocent now as he was then.

    I think that gun -- I don't know how he's going to feel about having that gun. I would hope that he would consider destroying that gun. Now, he may have very good reason to want to be armed because of the numerous threats directed at him and at his family. And you know, you can't afford to be wrong with a threat like that. I think he's learned from this experience and that he would be very responsible.

    VAN SUSTEREN: What are his plans?

    ZIMMERMAN: Hard to tell, Greta. Hard to tell what my plans are, our parents' plans. You know, this is, like, 48 hours after this sigh of relief. We all plan on healing. We all plan on reconstructing, I guess is a good word. But we cannot replicate what life was like before this, but we have to pick up the pieces of the -- of the aspects of our lives that we kind of just left by the wayside because we were all -- we all had a laser beam focus on seeing George acquitted, and that was -- you know, we ate, slept and breathed this case and this acquittal.

    VAN SUSTEREN: You know, it's -- what people often forget is -- like, you know, people look at trials like sporting events, who won, who lost. You know, both families took a terrible beating, and Trayvon Martin lost his life. I mean, this is a horrible tragedy for both families.

    ZIMMERMAN: Every loss of life is tragic and nobody wins when anybody dies. I mean, that should go without saying. There was no winner then. I mean, George, when he recounted what had happened -- I've said it before -- he just was never again the same person.

    It was, like, I had seen him three days before, and then this happened and he was not the same. I think he was very remorseful and sorrowful for what had happened and felt that he had lost then. We didn't know what it would become, you know, later. And there's a legal victory in one sense, but there are no winners.

    VAN SUSTEREN: He looked so unemotional during the trial. You know, we're -- I'm just looking on the outside. I don't know your brother. He looked so unemotional, sort of, you know -- sort of flat.

    ZIMMERMAN: He was innocent, you know?

    VAN SUSTEREN: I know, but I mean, but some people -- if you falsely accuse me of something, sometimes I get angry. You know, if you accuse me of something I say I didn't do, I get mad.

    ZIMMERMAN: Right. Yes, I mean, I think he -- that's how George is, first of all. We're brothers, but we're kind of different in our personalities. I'm a little bit more animated and livelier than he is, and he's very steady as you go, very responsible, very warm-hearted.

    And he -- I think that anybody in that situation has to be very careful how they, you know, express themselves in front of the people who are going to decide your fate.

    VAN SUSTEREN: I keep thinking about the fact the prosecutor said post-verdict the word to describe your brother, and she says murderer.

    ZIMMERMAN: Outrageous. Wildly inappropriate. I don't know that -- it seems that that woman, you know, will stop at no end to continue to trash George. I don't -- I don't understand why a prosecutor would do that instead of just saying that they respect the outcome and that George was presumed innocent and was found to be not guilty, which means you carry that presumption of innocence over.

    I really can't get inside her head. She's lashed out at Professor Dershowitz at Harvard University before. She just fired Mr. Kruidbos, the whistleblower who was so concerned that Mr. O'Mara was not getting discovery he was entitled to. You know, God bless her. I'll keep her in my prayers.

    VAN SUSTEREN: You know, there's still probably potential legal problems on the horizon. You're got the civil suit potentially, and also Department of Justice is investigating. Any thought to the attorney general, what you'd like to say to him?

    ZIMMERMAN: I -- I -- you know, if I had the opportunity to have Mr. Holder here, I would say, you know, Mr. Holder, at some point, we have to quit moving the goalposts. You know, people clamored for an arrest when there was no indication that there should be. Then they clamored for George's fair day in court. Then they asked that the verdict be respected. And then when it was not the verdict that people wanted, we're back where we were, you know, in February and March of 2012, moving the goalposts and insisting that George has to pay somehow for defending his life.

    I'm very disappointed that he described what transpired as a death that didn't have to happen. I think that flies in the face of the definition of self-defense. You know, if that -- it's unfortunate that it happened, but describing it that way really fans the flames of the people who are confused and are reacting right now to this verdict emotionally instead of analytically.

    VAN SUSTEREN: Robert, thank you for joining us.

    ZIMMERMAN: Thanks for having me, Greta.