• With: Judy Miller, Jim Pinkerton, Juan Williams, Richard Grenell

    JUAN WILLIAMS, FOX NEWS POLITICAL ANALYST: I think it did get attention by the way, that when the president said that, people challenged him and there was lots of discussion about what --

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    SCOTT: But it can go on for days?

    WILLIAMS: No. But this is in the midst of a presidential campaign, Jon.

    I would say this. What I notice is The New York Times didn't put this story initially on the front page. They had it inside. Similarly, the Washington Post, inside, initially. It then it bumps outside as the fire picks up. Why does the fire pick up? Now here, it's interesting. I don't know if you view Politico as right wing or liberal, but Politico was already talking on the previous Sunday about trouble inside the Romney campaign. And now it looked like here was a repeated gaffe. So in this situation, what you get is reflex of problems gaining moment, a campaign slipping in the polls. And then I think this is where the mainstream media is so simplistic. Oh, that is the story. We'll all rush to it.

    SCOTT: Yes. When the snowball starts to roll, Rick, they just keep giving it a push.

    RICHARD GRENELL, FORMER PRESS SPOKESMAN FOR U.S. AMBASSADORS TO THE U.N.: A couple of points. I think Juan is correct. It didn't initially go on the front page, but that is the problem. This is a one-day story. It should have been a one-day story, not a multiple-day story. And the context is better for Romney. It fires up the base. No one is giving the full video because the full video is fantastic for people like me. We want to see the debate about entitlements. We want to have that debate about who is getting too much, and 47 percent of Americans not paying taxes. However, the media would not play the whole tape. They just wanted the gaffe story.

    SCOTT: And Romney essentially backed it up. He said, I didn't say it very elegantly, but, yes, that 47 percent of Americans who pay no taxes is something of a problem. Then, the next day, out comes this video from 1998, I believe, of then-State Senator Barack Obama says he believes in wealth redistribution. That didn't get much play at all.

    PINKERTON: Right. But there's a larger context. The Gallup poll has a finding that says a record number of Americans, 60 percent, don't trust the media. That's the highest percentage since they have been keeping track of this poll. That might explain why, in the middle of 200 news stories and editorials saying, OK, Romney is dead and done for sure, admittedly, some on the right, Romney's creeping up in the polls. Gallup has him tied as of Thursday. He has been going up for two weeks. Obama has been going down. Who knows if that's the final word on polls, but it does suggest that that dynamic of 60 percent of Americans don't trust the media. They're saying, if the media are pounding on Romney this much, and we don't trust them, then Romney must be OK.

    SCOTT: The media decided the redistribution comment from then-State Senator Barack Obama just wasn't a story, maybe you can say because it happened 14 years ago, whatever. But it was --

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    MILLER: Because it happened 14 years ago.

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    MILLER: The man has a record that we can clearly look at.

    SCOTT: But it --

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    MILLER: Sorry.

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    SCOTT: It got six and a half minutes of coverage over eight stories on sort of the big three networks. In the meantime, they devoted about 88 minutes of coverage to Romney's hidden camera video.

    MILLER: Yes, but gentlemen, this is an instance in which you have the man who wants to be the president of all of us saying that half of the voters don't count. That they're --

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    GRENELL: No, that half the voters aren't paying taxes.

    MILLER: Aren't -- aren't -- no --

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    WILLIAMS: Hang on. Let's go to that point.

    MILLER: Exactly, as "those people."

    WILLIAMS: Yes.

    MILLER: "Those people."

    WILLIAMS: Which is offensive, but let's go to your point. You said you would you like to have this discussion. I think lots of Americans thought that when Paul Ryan was selected as the vice president, you were going to get a larger discussion about entitlements and the like. Why is it that you think this statement was made in private to donors, as opposed in a public setting? It's because, on the substance of it, it's offensive. But here's the thing. Most of the people that pay no taxes -- and remember, when you are talking about that 47 percent, the overwhelming majority of them paid payroll taxes, state and local taxes, property taxes and the rest. When you're talking about --

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    WILLIAMS: No, no, no.

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    WILLIAMS: Let's talk about who pays no taxes. Now you are talking about the majority of the elderly in our society, or people who are so poor or either make less than $20,000. That is the substance of it, as opposed to Obama's statement, Jon, where the substance of that is we have a tax policy that is about redistribution. What do you think --?

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    GRENELL: But we're not having that discussion in the media.

    WILLIAMS: I'm just saying --

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    GRENELL: We're not having it.

    WILLIAMS: I thought the discussion was held. Fact checkers went crazy on this.

    SCOTT: We will have more discussion about the Romney tape and media manipulation of it, that hidden camera video, when "News Watch" returns.