Published January 23, 2017
This is a rush transcript from "The Five," October 21, 2016. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.
DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone, I'm Dana Perino along with Kimberly Guilfoyle, Juan Williams, Eric Bolling and Greg Gutfeld. It's 5 o'clock in New York City and this is "The Five."
Just 18 days out and both nominees are back on the trail after an interesting post-debate reunion last night, there was a handshake this time, unlike at the debate, details on that in a moment. But first, they are pushing the battlegrounds. Trump held rallies earlier in North Carolina and Pennsylvania and didn't let up on his opponent which is two and a half weeks to go.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
DONALD TRUMP, REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: Hillary Clinton is the most corrupt politician ever to seek the office of the presidency. Well, let's do this. Let's do this. November 8, let's win. You are going to look back at this election and say, this is by far the most important vote you have ever cast for anyone at any time.
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PERINO: Hillary is in Ohio. She's at an early voting event right now in Cleveland. You are looking at that live. Now let's talk about one thing. I just heard in a previous hour from John Roberts, our reporter who's on the Trump campaign trail. Eric, apparently tomorrow morning, Donald Trump is going to give a big speech in which he is going to unveil a new contract with America, sort of thing.
ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: Yeah.
PERINO: What do you think of that?
BOLLING: I think it's a great idea. And, you know, where has it been? I get it, but never -- there's still three weeks, so two and a half weeks left. You can still time to turn the big ship around. And he did -- he said something today in North Carolina, I thought was very interesting. He said, "When I become president, we're going to create an America's desk." America's desk meaning, he would call them every day to find out what's going on in the job market, where we need help, where we are lagging, where are we winning and we .
PERINO: Like the L.A. Times tracking poll.
BOLLING: But I can tell you .
PERINO: Yeah, a good idea.
BOLLING: . what a great idea that was.
BOLLING: Why hasn't anyone else thought of that? And that's where he should be, trying innovative new ideas that you would do if you were a businessman running the country, because that's what got him here. No you have 18 days left or 18 days and a couple hours left. Go get it now. Go do that stuff.
PERINO: One of the things, Kimberly, I looked at before we came to air was where the campaigns are going to be this weekend and it looks to me like it's pretty traditional. You've got Donald Trump and Pence in Pennsylvania and New Hampshire. You have -- and Ohio, and then the Clintons are in Florida, Ohio. Barack Obama will be in Nevada. So to me, it doesn't look like there's a big push to expand the map, at least on the Clinton side. They're not doing a big push in Georgia or Arizona. So they must still be worried enough about those other states that they want to try to bring it home there.
KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: Oh, I think it makes sense, right, to shore it up. I mean what they have to go on is obviously the national polls that we've all been talking about, but also their own internal tracking polls.
GUILFOYLE: So perhaps that's a little bit of a window for them, you know, for the individual campaigns to say, hey, this is where our time is best spent. So it's about, you know, assessing where they can put their assets, where they're going to get maximum velocity and movement from that kind of devotion of resources. So -- and these are important phase and specifically for Hillary, they've got to focus, lock that up and before they try and stretch.
PERINO: Greg, it's been a long campaign, obviously, a year and a half. We've got 18 days left which feels like a long time. Everybody is a little bit tired, not just the candidates but maybe the voters. How do they keep energy and interest?
GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Well, first of all, three weeks is a long time. I did some research, it's 21 days.
GUTFELD: A Chinese firm once built .
GUTFELD: . a 57-story skyscraper in 15 days.
PERINO: Is it still standing?
GUTFELD: Yes, it is. It's beautiful. It's prefab. So Trump can definitely catch up. He can still do some things. This -- I'm always interested in this really big push by Hillary and Donald Trump for early voting. Like get out and vote now. And it's because they fear that early voters might die before November.
PERINO: Well, I mean actually there's just a report just now Juan, that came in right before air -- like I was really paying attention in the first last five minutes, that republicans are up 1.8 percent over democrats in early voting in Florida. What do you think of that?
JUAN WILLIAMS, CO-HOST: That's fine, but I mean --
WILLIAMS: What you also see in early voting is that -- I think it's already 3 million people have already voted and democrats are up in terms of turnout, which is what you look at, so they're up in turnout in places like Arizona, Utah, Nevada -- I think, what is going on? But that's good news for democrats as compared to 2012 is what I'm talking about. The second thing I noticed today was that Trump's political director left. So I'm not -- understanding why it is about --
PERINO: What he said he was stepping away .
PERINO: . a little bit.
WILLIAMS: Yeah, 19 days before the election?
PERINO: But I don't know. I think we just stay tuned, because maybe there's more to come on that.
WILLIAMS: Oh yeah.
GUTFELD: For personal reasons he said.
WILLIAMS: Tell me, what do you think?
PERINO: I don't -- I'm not going to say.
GUILFOYLE: Break it Perino.
PERINO: No. I heard gossip.
GUTFELD: Come on Dana.
PERINO: And I'm not going to spread it.
GUILFOYLE: Is that embargo until 6:00 p.m. eastern?
PERINO: We just stay tuned.
PERINO: No, no, no. No, we don't --
GUTFELD: Now what?
BOLLING: Can we say please?
PERINO: I will tell you on a commercial break.
GUTFELD: That's not fair.
PERINO: Because it's not fair to this person .
PERINO: . if it's not true.
WILLIAMS: It's not fair. I will tell you what's not fair. It's not fair to Donald Trump. I mean, I mean you are taking away -- this is a Paul Manafort guy that came in and was trying to organize and put some people in the game on the ground and it just doesn't seem to have happened. And that's really (inaudible) value.
BOLLING: You don't want to talk about the polls of the -- the numbers that Dana just cited in Florida?
WILLIAMS: No, no. In Florida --
BOLLING: We'll talk about the polls .
WILLIAMS: But the fact is --
BOLLING: . just came out.
WILLIAMS: I will. Let's talk welcome --
BOLLING: . leading?
WILLIAMS: OK, here are the polls.
GUILFOYLE: Bolling, do you have a white board by chance?
WILLIAMS: Right now you have .
BOLLING: IBD, the most accurate poll in 2012 election cycle now has Trump up by one or two points.
BOLLING: You see that?
WILLIAMS: Where is that?
WILLIAMS: Anyway --
GUTFELD: I had that once.
GUTFELD: And if I can get the IV --
WILLIAMS: Anyway .
WILLIAMS: You know, back to reality .
GUILFOYLE: You still have it.
WILLIAMS: At the moment, she's up -- what we see here is she's up in five of the six -- of the 12 battleground, 6 of the 12 battlegrounds -- or 11 battlegrounds, I should say; Colorado, Michigan, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, Virginia, Wisconsin, it's to the point where if you look at the electoral map, which is where the decision really gets made, she doesn't even need right now to win Ohio or Iowa.
BOLLING: It's called margin of -- margin of error.
WILLIAMS: Yeah, right. There you go.
PERINO: Well that's --
PERINO: Maybe we can lighten it up a little bit.
PERINO: I think what we want to talk about last night's speech was the Al Smith dinner -- didn't go well, really, for anybody. Take a look.
GUILFOYLE: It's entertaining though.
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TRUMP: Great to be here with a thousand wonderful people or as Hillary calls it, her largest crowd of the season.
HILLARY CLINTON, DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: After listening to your speech, I will also enjoy listening to Mike Pence denied that you ever gave it.
TRUMP: We can actually be civil to each other. In fact, just before taking the stage, Hillary accidentally bumped into me .
TRUMP: . and she very civilly said, "Pardon me."
CLINTON: People look at the statue of liberty and they see a proud symbol. Donald looks at the statue of liberty and sees a four.
CLINTON: Maybe a five if she loses the torch and tablet and changes her hair.
TRUMP: Hillary isn't laughing as much as the rest of us. All of the jokes were given to her in advance of the dinner by Donna Brazile.
CLINTON: Look at this dais -- we have Charlie Rose, and Maria Bartiromo, and Chris Matthews, and Gayle King, and Nora O'Donnell, and Katie Couric -- this count as a press conference, right?
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PERINO: So Greg, you were watching last night and you are a good critique of these types of things. What did you make of it?
GUTFELD: It started out fine and then went fast -- it went bad and fast than a devil egg in sunlight. There was something that happened. It kind of got tense. It was like a wedding toast where the groom's dad who might have had too much to drink starts talking about how the bride's not as hot as he would like.
GUTFELD: It got weird. There was something interesting there when Donald basically said -- looked around and said, "You guys used to like me, now you don't." That was good because it's -- because .
PERINO: Calling them out.
GUTFELD: It also shows that almost all of his friendships are transactional, and once they don't need him anymore, they don't need him. But it was when these jokes started losing their punch towards the end and it started getting a bit weird. And you could see the facial expressions behind him. It looked like they were watching a German art film. But the real winner was Maria, Maria Bartiromo's white gloves .
BOLLING: The gloves .
GUTFELD: . were insane.
GUTFELD: In every picture you saw her gloves.
PERINO: You might not have seen it (inaudible) Photoshop is just a new photo of all of us at this table wearing white gloves today.
GUILFOYLE: I like them.
PERINO: So I was thinking about that.
GUILFOYLE: But where is it?
GUTFELD: You don't want to wear white gloves after .
PERINO: So I didn't get --
GUTFELD: . Labor Day.
GUILFOYLE: That calls for?
PERINO: No, not --
GUILFOYLE: I thought she looked glamorous .
GUTFELD: She did.
GUILFOYLE: . like she's going to (inaudible).
GUTFELD: Movie star.
PERINO: So I did it --
PERINO: Eric, we were talking about this earlier. I didn't get a chance to watch it because I was doing the online book signing thing. But then I saw the Twitter traffic about it, so I read the speeches this morning. And as I reading them, they were pretty good. They weren't that bad, but maybe it was in the delivery .
PERINO: . that it made people feel uncomfortable.
BOLLING: Fall in the delivery and also the reaction from the room. When you got -- when Donald got boos towards the end, there's, there's some things that he said that they didn't like and they started to boo. It changed his delivery, too. He got a little nervous about it, so he started -- and he started to press a little bit. But also, Hillary had some lines that got not necessarily boos but .
BOLLING: . groans. And it changed her delivery as well. And I agree with Greg, the first part of each of their delivery was fantastic. Donald's best line .
GUTFELD: . was about his wife.
BOLLING: . about his wife, right.
GUILFOYLE: Right. Melania.
BOLLING: Line about the speech.
BOLLING: It was self-deprecating.
GUILFOYLE: Not Obama.
BOLLING: They should have done that from top to bottom and walked away, but --
PERINO: It's not easy.
BOLLING: Maybe it's because these two people have massive egos and it's hard for them to say something --
PERINO: Be self-deprecating.
PERINO: It's not easy to give a humorous speech either. That's a (inaudible).
GUILFOYLE: Is it wrong I enjoyed this?
PERINO: No, you can --
GUILFOYLE: Do you think?
PERINO: You can definitely be a (inaudible).
GUILFOYLE: Yeah, I thought it was good. I don't know. I mean I read it after, I watched it during, and I just like, I don't know. Maybe I was bored or something.
WILLIAMS: I was watching .
GUILFOYLE: I thought it was entertaining.
WILLIAMS: I was watching the -- I was watching the great Eric Bolling who is hosting at 11:00.
WILLIAMS: And I thought --
GUILFOYLE: I saw that, too.
WILLIAMS: Oh, let me see how this goes. And I couldn't -- I mean this is horrible. I've never see an announcement dinner like this .
GUILFOYLE: Geraldo didn't like it.
WILLIAMS: . where they booing the guy. They were booing. Let's not get away from it. It's unbelievable. He thought -- let me just say, he thought this was his audience. He is in his home city. He knows all the players.
PERINO: I don't think he thought that.
WILLIAMS: I think he must have thought that --
PERINO: No, no. I don't think he did.
WILLIAMS: He thought he could get away with this, Dana. And when he starts with the stuff about, you got fire from the Watergate commission .
PERINO: No. I think what it was --
WILLIAMS: . and she's mocking Catholics. It went over like (inaudible).
PERINO: I think they misread the audience and they wrote a speech that would have gone over very well one of his rallies.
WILLIAMS: Yeah, but this wasn't a rally.
PERINO: I know. That's why I'm saying that might have been a mistake, but then had a rally (inaudible).
WILLIAMS: It was a huge mistake because he got -- it's all over his face.
GUILFOYLE: It got huge numbers.
GUILFOYLE: I mean, I don't know. I thought he got a lot too.
BOLLING: She did the same thing.
WILLIAMS: She did not.
BOLLING: She pivot about halfway through the speech and started talking about -- she was start -- she took a shot. I was-- like shocked, like how could you be that disrespectful to the guy who is standing right there. It wasn't tongue in cheek. It's like, oh, finally you can hear from a real billionaire.
GUTFELD: That was great, too.
WILLIAMS: I thought that worked.
BOLLING: No, because I -- on paper it was a great joke. But the way it was delivered, it's just felt so nasty.
PERINO: Those are not easy to give.
BOLLING: And Melania sitting right there. I mean --
GUILFOYLE: But they did share a laugh with Cardinal Dolan and they did shake hands. That was nice.
GUTFELD: He's told her that he's gonna put her in jail, and you think that him -- her making fun of his money is worse?
BOLLING: Listen, I didn't think either one should have gone there last night.
PERINO: Yeah. Well then -- and then .
WILLIAMS: That there was no grace. Let me say, there was an opportunity for him, especially after the big debate fiasco, but he didn't --
GUTFELD: Juan, the only grace .
PERINO: Bill O'Reilly .
GUTFELD: . was before dinner.
WILLIAMS: Check it out.
GUTFELD: And everybody left cross.
GUTFELD: We'll be right back.
PERINO I'm not gonna tell what I was -- although, watch O'Reilly tonight because he went to the dinner. He's gonna have some thoughts on it. Next, the battle to drive ISIS from Mosul claims the life of American serviceman. We're going to take you live to Iraq, ahead. And then later, it's Facebook Friday.
PERINO: If you have a question for us, go to our page and post it, facebook.com/thefivefnc. We'll be back in a minute.
GUILFOYLE: So much for the war in Iraq being over and no boots on the ground. We are back at war, they're helping local forces drive out ISIS from Mosul, oil-rich city of Kirkuk and (inaudible). One U.S. service member was killed yesterday by roadside bomb, 34-year-old Petty -- Chief Petty Officer Jason Finan of Anaheim, California. Fox's Benjamin Hall spent the day on the front lines and he joins us live from Irbil, Iraq with the latest. Benjamin?
BENJAMIN HALL, FOREIGN AFFAIRS CORRESPONDENT: Yeah. Hi, Kimberly. As you say, this battle has been going on for the last few days and there are about a hundred thousand forces involved, Kurdish and Iraqis combined. They have been moving forward slowly, but very slowly. Today, we saw ISIS do something strange. They launched a counterattack deep inside the country, almost in response to the territory they lost. Now that happened in the city called Kirkuk in early this morning, they went in with armed rifle -- assault rifles and explosives. They were said to be sleeper cells in that city, and the attacks focused on government buildings and of house. They should get at least a dozen, injuring scores more. The governor said that they were people who had been waiting to carry out these attacks. And what is feared now is that ISIS loses the city of Mosul. They will (inaudible), they will change into an insurgency, one that launches attacks around the country and need around the world. Meanwhile, about a hundred miles back in Mosul, the oldest Christian settlement in the world were finally being liberated. After two years under ISIS control, finally today (inaudible) was cleared and a flag raise over the church. Much of the fighting has been around Christian villages over the last couple of days. But I also been speaking to other Christian families here and they say, they just don't feel safe around here anymore. They had to defend their own town, their own villages. The government didn't help them. The churches are destroyed so, and so many factors playing a part at the moment. The battle for Mosul going on, the U.S. helping with coalition (inaudible) air strikes with Special Forces., and yet this small pocket of ISIS fighters about 5,000 in the city itself, managing to hold on. We get to see this battle get a lot more bloody, we're gonna see as it get a lot harder as they reach the dense urban center, which ahead of them. So, you're right, U.S. forces back helping this offensive at the moment. And we will be here keeping you up to date as it gets worse and that would close to the city itself. Kimberly?
GUILFOYLE: All right. Thanks, Benjamin. Be safe. All right Dana, so this is something, perhaps you look and didn't think that we would be seeing right here before the presidential election, U.S., you know, troops boots on the ground.
PERINO: A lot of controversy around this. One of the questions is, why did we wait so long and it got to be so bad. And I think that we, to have a call for a sound bite from General Petraeus. I don't know if you are would be willing to play that now. We react to it?
PERINO: Oh, we don't have it?
PERINO: One of the things he said is that it will be a tough fight, of course, but he said that's not the real battle. That comes after the Islamic state has cleared out the provinces, because how do you hold those areas? And there's also been some criticism of the United States and the government of Iraq for the telegraphing that this battle was coming. And I just think it's important for people to remember that sometimes we're on the battleground, one of the things that you have to do is -- you want to encourage the rebels or the people there who are protecting their cities and their churches that we're -- come help is coming, so hang tight. You want to discourage the enemy, maybe hopefully they will leave. And you want to warn people ahead of time, so that they can get out of the way and be safe.
GUILFOYLE: And then you have a situation here, Eric, where obviously it's very important trying to get Mosul back. I mean that's right up your field (inaudible).
BOLLING: Mosul Kirkuk also where -- in the north, where there some oil production and don't forget that's closer than Turkish border. So that one would be more easily defended, I think that will be OK. You also have to worry about the southern part of Iraq where the massive oil fields and then the access to the Persian gulf where the oil can actually shipped off and away and it's into ISIS -- if ISIS ever got control of those, they would have an massive amount of money financing behind them. So I think these are battles that they have to win. They have to circle Kirkuk. They have to circle the oil fields in the south. I guess, you know, I understand we're being helped by the Iranians in some of this. I think we need to just lock this down and make sure that when Iraq is liberated, it stays in Iraqi control, not Iranian control.
GUILFOYLE: There will be a scramble there and it's going to be very important (inaudible).
WILLIAMS: But the problem is -- and I think General Petraeus said this earlier that, "If you stay in, if you have American troops on the ground staying there and guiding it, it does nothing but then inspire what remains of ISIS to reconstitute in order to get at us. So the thing is, the good news is that you can get the Iraqi forces, you can get people as he described it retrained, reconstituted to engage in this fight against ISIS. This is not the United States literally putting massive force. We've got 5,000 people, I think, in the area and we are putting people in there now to help others fight what should be their war. And I think its good news.
GUILFOYLE: Well, perhaps if we did it right to begin with, we wouldn't be in this mess with the proper status of forces agreement that was honored. Go ahead Greg.
GUTFELD: Well, the great news about this is, is Dabiq. I mean this is all based on a seventh century prophecy that the, that the Muslims and the Christians were going to fight in Dabiq. The other magazine is, was --was called Dabiq. They had to change the name of their magazine because they got their asses kicked and they are now losers. We have -- the whole point of this is to destroy the myth of ISIS.
GUTFELD: That this is not some kind of prophesize battle that's going to end in a, in a universal earth, you know, Muslim earth. It's not going to happen. It's important that we have some useful propaganda. We need to show this happening, so people realize that ISIS is defeated, and it must be defeated and we must allow our military to do what is necessary to eradicate and purge earth of this vile, bile disease. This is the most important battle in our recent era. In 50 years, you have a radical toxic doctrine that is directly against progress. We are progress. They are poison. We must destroy them.
GUILFOYLE: I'm just going to end it there, right? Done. Hours after Hillary Clinton dodges a question at the debate about pay-to-play e-mails emerges that may prove she personally took part in a deal to get money from a government her own State Department considered corrupt. Details next.
WILLIAMS: A new batch of hacked e-mails put out by WikiLeaks is creating trouble for the Clinton campaign. Some may prove that the secretary took part in what some suspect was a pay for play deal to get money for her family's foundation. One e-mail revealed the candidate herself involved in talking about a $12 million check from the king of Morocco, ultimately agreed to go to the country to speak. Her aides didn't want her to go. In one message Huma Abedin wrote that Hillary, quote, "created this mess," end quote. In another she said, quote, "No matter what happens, she will be in Morocco hosting the Clinton Global Initiative on May 5 through 7, 2015. Her presence was a condition for the Moroccans to proceed, so there's no going back on this. It's important that you know the background," end quote. Now Hillary, ultimately, did not attend, but Bill and Chelsea did go to Morocco. So Greg, let me start with you. She didn't go. Is it the case -- I think it's like a month after she leaves s secretary of state .
WILLIAMS: . and the campaign is about to start. And ultimately, they decide this looks a little bad.
GUTFELD: You know what's great? This is a reversal. Someone threw Hillary under the bus for once. Huma Abedin, probably just lost the cushy job at the White House because of that e-mail. And this, I go back to the nature of e-mail. It's the place where you can (inaudible) on your boss. I mean it's a place where you are supposed to have these private conversations and talk about the people that drive you crazy. We have to remind ourselves -- we said it was hacked. It's theft. Podesta was hacked, but the stole -- and stuff was stolen by Russia's GRU military intelligence agency using a fake login page. So this is actual real espionage. The problem with the way we report this story -- and I wait and say, weak cable news, we never report how we found these e-mails, only what we find in them. And that's an injustice.
WILLIAMS: Kimberly .
GUILFOYLE: I believe we just corrected that injustice.
GUTFELD: Thank you, Kimberly.
GUILFOYLE: And for that you will receive no Emmy, but we are grateful.
GUTFELD: (inaudible) at the veranda.
GUILFOYLE: Probably not, maybe next week.
BOLLING: Bring the --
BOLLING: Bring the gloves.
GUTFELD: Bring the gloves.
GUILFOYLE: Bring the gloves and the pay for play. Yes.
WILLIAMS: Kimberly, so the question is, is this confusion with Mrs. Clinton saying, "Well, I will be out of office by then and I want to go" and it helps this foundation, which does work, or is it in fact, suggestion that you know what, she used her influence as secretary of state --
GUILFOYLE: Right. Access --
WILLIAMS: To get .
WILLIAMS: . the king of Morocco -- actually, his oil company, to give money to her family foundation.
GUILFOYLE: I mean I think you know the answer, right? I mean you actually presented both sides. We appreciate that. But this -- anybody looking at this, democrat or republican has got to say, wait a second. This is exactly what people have been saying about the Clintons, about the foundation, about pay for play, about paying essentially for access. And she didn't want to lose the $12 million donation, so she sent the rest of the fam over to collect it so they could keep the cash. So then you asked yourself, hmm. Does this sound like someone that I want to have in the Oval office that's willing to sell access, you know during the time secretary of state, senator (inaudible) and you look at the actions. You look at these leaks that he has were theft, piracy. And say, but nevertheless, it doesn't change the fact that there are truthful elements in here, and then how does it affect your decision and who you choose for president?
WILLIAMS; Well, I just think it's possible you would say that this lady wanted to raise money for the foundation. I don't necessarily see it as corruption. But I see how it opens the door to that conversation.
GUILFOYLE: Yes. The...
WILLIAMS: The FBI found Hillary to be extremely careless with classified information on her non-secured private e-mail server. While secretary of state.
In addition to all we've been talking about, we're learning that Clinton actually lectured her own staff about the importance of cyber security back in 2010, telling them to do one thing while she herself was doing another thing.
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HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: ... cyber security, because technology is (UNINTELLIGIBLE). I think that is a responsibility we all share as Americans. But as State Department employees, we have a special duty to guard ourselves and our sensitive information. Complying with department policies and being alert to potential threats will help protect all of us.
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WILLIAMS: Was that a robot or was that Hillary? I don't know, I don't know. But I'll give you, Eric, the chance to say, was this hypocrisy or what?
BOLLING: Well, it looks like she just read a statement someone wrote for her, and she had no idea what -- what was actually going on in her own administration.
Otherwise, she wouldn't have make a joke about wiping the server clean with a towel or now we find out about bashing old Blackberries to get rid of them or the fact that she had 13 Blackberries.
Very quickly, I know we're going to run out of time. You know something consistent about all those deals, these pay-to-play deals? They're all with governments that are either involved in refining and producing oil. Algeria, the Russians, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Morocco. All of these countries, she realized that she has access and she could set up deals and sold the access to...
GUILFOYLE: Deep pockets.
BOLLING: ... American corporations for the money coming into the Clinton Foundation.
Now, she said there will no indication of impropriety whatsoever if she was going to be secretary of state. She promised Obama that. These are examples of the exact opposite. Her doing something completely different from what she promised.
WILLIAMS: Well, I don't know that it's impropriety.
But Dana, I'm interested in your take, Dana. Do you think that, given that video -- and you've been in government -- that that's an example of somebody just reading a statement, as Eric suggested? Or do you think wait a second, how can you take one step -- make this speech and do something else in your own life?
PERINO: Well, both. And I think that's actually the concern about her or any leader that is able to tell you, you should do it one way and then think that they are above the law and that they don't have to do the same. And it's like they can separate themselves from the rest of the American public.
So I'm sure that when she was getting $12 million from the king of Morocco, they're thinking, "Well, we're doing it for the good of -- the greater good. This is all going to be fine." They don't realize that, if anybody else had done the same thing, they would be screaming about it. Right? They would use that to attack them.
And the same thing on cyber-security. Yes, it was -- every government employee goes through this training. You do hear at corporations, as well. In addition, everybody that works at the State Department that has a clearance has to sign a document that says that they got a briefing on how to handle classified info.
She's the secretary of state. She makes a terrible, reckless decision, and it almost ruined her candidacy.
WILLIAMS: Well, we'll see more.
Still to come, "Facebook Friday," but "The Fastest Seven," that's up next.
BOLLING: Welcome back. Time for...
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BOLLING: ... "The Fastest Six Minutes or So on Television." Three droll stories, seven dynamic minutes, one dexterous host? You'll take it?
BOLLING: Droll. Fun, good.
First up, 71.6 million people watched the third and final presidential debate Wednesday night. FOX News Channel was the most watched television network, cable, broadcast and other. FNC's Chris Wallace moderated a flawless 90-minute debate, receiving wide acclaim from both sides of the aisle. Chris did his first post-game interviews today.
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CHRIS WALLACE, FOX NEWS ANCHOR: I heard this voice asking these questions, and I kept thinking, "Who is that," because I didn't realize it was me. It was such an out-of-body experience.
But about ten minutes in, I kind of relaxed into it. You had to be super aware. And this was a surprise, because I had prepared the questions in tremendous detail, tremendous focus. I got a great researcher. And we were ready with that. But you -- to a certain degree, that's just a game plan. It's not by any means a strict curriculum. And you have to just go with the punches.
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BOLLING: I'm glad to be on the same team as Chris, and he'll be on "The Factor" tonight, as well. Go clockwise, starting with K.G. on this one.
GUILFOYLE: Yes. I thought he was magnificent. I mean, I didn't see him sweat at all. He started off strong and focused. And he got into, what, four buckets right away, the questioning. I think it was extraordinary. They should show that in colleges about how to debate.
WILLIAMS: You know, I was pleased for him and also his great researcher, Lori Martin. They did a fantastic job.
GUILFOYLE: A great team.
WILLIAMS: And the -- remember, the early concern was, "Oh, it's FOX News. He's going to have such a slant." You know what? I thought Chris was tough on both of them. I don't -- I think that's why you're getting praise from every direction.
I saw a comment that said, "You know, that strange sound you hear, it's a discussion of substance." Boy, was that absent in the three previous debates, and it allowed Chris to be a standout. Stellar.
BOLLING: Bipartisan support for Chris Wallace after that. Washing Post, New York Times, et cetera.
PERINO: Yes, everybody. And actually, sometimes in the media, your harshest critics can be your peers. But other networks across the board thought it was a great debate. And he'll be back in the saddle already again. On Sunday, he's got, I think, Kellyanne Conway and then his panel. I don't know who else he has, but he doesn't take -- he's not, like, taking a vacation.
GUILFOYLE: Juan Williams.
BOLLING: Greg Gutfeld, your thoughts on Chris?
GUTFELD: I think I might throw up. I mean, are we laying it a little too thick here?
PERINO: A little thick.
GUILFOYLE: We have only just begun.
GUTFELD: It's not like he landed on Mars, people.
You know, he did a good job. The reason why I thought he did a great job, he's like the butcher who knows who's next in line.
GUILFOYLE: Oh, my God.
GUTFELD: Whenever you go to a butcher and you -- I know that guy is not paying attention. That woman just cut in front of me. He, like, doesn't even have to look at the numbers. He just knew who was there. And he did not get distracted by acrimony. He kept it to the issues.
GUILFOYLE: He was great. Don't you think, too, his father, if he were alive, would be so proud of him?
Surprise, surprise, apparently, Americans are patriotic. A new poll shows anger at Colin Kaepernick is significantly driving down NFL ratings. Now Dana, your thoughts on this one? You're the poll...
PERINO: I am interested in this. Remember Ruth Bader Ginsburg, the Supreme Court justice, she weighed in initially on "60 Minutes" in an interview with Katie Couric and said she thought that it was a wrong thing to do, that it's not good. And then the backlash against her was such that she even -- then she apologizes for saying that. So the controversy has more been around the issues all around the NFL. And there's another one today.
No rest for Joe Lockhart over there at the NFL, who's now the spokesperson. There's allegations of sexual -- sorry, domestic abuse by a player at the Giants who just got re-signed. And there's questions again in that. They're facing New York Times front-page story tomorrow. And I think it does weigh down the brand.
GUILFOYLE: Good job, Sports Center.
PERINO: Thank you.
GUILFOYLE: "Dana's Sports Center."
BOLLING: The 49ers were playing Buffalo last week. Kaepernick took a knee for the anthem, and there was an officer saluting.
GUTFELD: I love it when the market reacts naturally to events. It's like a cat coughing up a fur ball. In this face, the furball was an attention- seeking political protest performed by a fading star. What Colin Kaepernick tried to do is what fading pop stars do: seek relevance in the dying light. And it didn't work.
BOLLING: All right. They want me to go on to this for you two on this one.
GUILFOYLE: But I got the Niners in my divorce. I think I should be entitled to ten seconds.
BOLLING: Literally the whole team?
GUILFOYLE: Yes. The whole team. And I would like to trade him. To the Raiders or, you know, maybe Philly will take him.
WILLIAMS: I will say this on that story before you go, you know who has the highest selling jersey in the NFL right now?
WILLIAMS: Colin Kaepernick. So you know what? I think lot of it is too many games. It's Thursday night, Monday night.
BOLLING: It's Halloween, Halloween. They want to put on scary things.
Speaking of that, I'm not afraid of the dark; I'm not afraid of scary movies.
GUILFOYLE: Not zombies.
BOLLING: Not overly superstitious. Clowns, however, creep me out. Thankfully, at least two places, including a county in Mississippi and a town in North Carolina, have banned adult clown costumes for certain events this Halloween. Now we'll start with you. You got shortchanged.
GUILFOYLE: I really have no appetite for clowns. Right?
BOLLING: Scary, horrible.
GUILFOYLE: Yes. They're not fun. They're not interesting. I never hired them for a party. And now people just want the costume because it's banned. You know?
BOLLING: Mr. Juan.
WILLIAMS: Homie don't play this. I don't want any clowns around.
WILLIAMS: But I must say, I don't understand why the government has to get involved in banning clowns. It seems like way over the top. I mean, if someone wants to dress up as a clown, you're supposed to say it's illegal?
GUTFELD: Let's try...
PERINO: Speaking as a free-market guy.
GUTFELD: Let's try a thought experiment. What if you belong to a religion, and the religion required that its disciples or its believers put on pancake makeup and wore baggy clothes and had funny little horns that made noises? This would be clownist, and we would be outraged over it.
By the way, this just shows how media are sucker for trends. If nothing happened -- if there's one incident, nothing happens. If there's three incidents, it's a trend. And if there's four incidents, all of a sudden you have the government involved.
WILLIAMS: I think it's being driven by media coverage.
GUTFELD: That's all it is.
PERINO: I would just say that I know that my good friend, Gia Mamo (ph), our friend here at "The Five," Gia Mamo (ph), she's in North Carolina this weekend. She will be so happy about this.
GUILFOYLE: Oh, God.
PERINO: She is not for the clowns.
GUTFELD: Leave the clowns alone. I'm a clown.
GUILFOYLE: We did this on "O'Reilly." Hard-hitting segment.
BOLLING: Stay right there. "Facebook Friday next.
GUTFELD: So true. We're making it.
First question from "Facebook Friday," from Chuck L.: "If you could be a fly on the wall, what wall would you be on?"
Let's go this way, Dana, what wall?
PERINO: I'm going to say on the International Space Station, because I'll never go to space. I'm really kind of creeped out by going either underwater or up in space. So if I could be a fly on the wall and I was safe, I would be interested.
GUTFELD: That's interesting. Eric.
BOLLING: I would be the fly on the wall for the production meeting for the "Homeland," the series. I love -- they just pivot in the middle of a season. And they reedit and recut stuff to make it top topical. Love the show.
WILLIAMS: Well, I would have said that I would like to be a fly on the wall in the beauty contestants' dressing room.
PERINO: But you can't say that.
WILLIAMS: But Donald Trump has already been in there. So, you know, Donald Trump beat me.
GUILFOYLE: I liked your first choice that we didn't hear.
WILLIAMS: But I think, you know, ideally, this week, debate prep. I would really like to see if Donald Trump did no debate prep or what he was doing before this debate prep. Did he get a question about "Will you, in fact, respect the results of the election?" I don't know.
But I would say also, you know, all this WikiLeaks hacking that we've been talking about, they are basically a fly on the wall inside. It's even worse than the fly. They're inside people's thoughts and private conversations.
GUTFELD: They're going through people's stuff. Kimberly.
GUILFOYLE: All right. So I think that I would like to be a fly on the wall, but it might take a long time and involve, like, a week or two or three. I'm not sure how that would work out in closed quarters. But on Chris Wallace's wall.
GUTFELD: Interesting. You're really -- you're crushing hard on Chris.
GUILFOYLE: Well, t is what it is. I'd rather be transparent about it.
GUTFELD: You are, you are. If I could be on the wall, it would be Ken Wall, the star of "Wise Guys" and the great film "The Wonderers."
GUTFELD: Thank you.
BOLLING: Not the Mexican wall?
GUTFELD: No, not the Mexican -- or I could be on the wall of a fly paper factory.
GUILFOYLE: You should have picked that.
BOLLING: The Mexican side of the wall, see if they're really paying for it or not.
GUTFELD: There you go.
GUILFOYLE: Oh, my God.
GUTFELD: We'll go this way. From Brittany...
GUILFOYLE: It just got (UNINTELLIGIBLE)
GUTFELD: ... K.G., "If you were running for president, what would your campaign slogan be?"
GUILFOYLE: "Kill Them All."
PERINO: "Crush it."
GUTFELD; "Kill Them All."
GUILFOYLE: You know how I feel.
GUTFELD: Yes, yes. I don't know what "them" are, but I'll go with that.
GUILFOYLE: The terrorists.
GUTFELD: OK, good, good.
GUILFOYLE: Radicals, jihadists.
GUTFELD: I wanted a footnote there.
GUILFOYLE: Remember if I was -- what was it -- not naked. What was it?
GUTFELD: I like it.
GUILFOYLE: Invisible. I wanted to go into Raqqah. But then I changed it to...
GUTFELD: Juan, what's your slogan if you were running for president?
WILLIAMS: In honor of Greg, I would say "Rock and Hard Roll." How about that? You know? We are going to rock. It's hard rock, right?
WILLIAMS: And we're going to really roll here. Because we're going to -- we're going to win and rock so much. You're going to be tired of rocking and rolling.
GUTFELD: There you go.
GUILFOYLE: Is that, like, a commercial?
BOLLING: I already wrote it.
GUTFELD: What was it?
BOLLING: "Wake up, America."
GUTFELD: That's right. That's right.
BOLLING: Maybe someday I'll be able to use that.
PERINO: I think I would quote Todd Beamer from Flight 93, "Let's Roll."
GUTFELD: Very good, very good.
WILLIAMS: You stole that -- you can't -- this is the problem with politics.
PERINO: "Let's roll" is not "Rock -n- Roll."
GUTFELD: Mine would be -- mine would be "Make America Greg Again."
BOLLING: There you go.
GUTFELD: Only have to change a little thing on the ad, two letters. Make America Greg again. You could save a lot of money.
GUILFOYLE: What about me?
GUILFOYLE: "The Art of the Guilfoyle."
GUTFELD: We just did you.
All right. From Jillian L. -- over to you, Eric -- "Other than 'Family Feud,' what is one activity that the five of you would like to do together?" Keep it clean, Juan.
BOLLING: I don't know. We travel well together. But not on a bus. Definitely not a bus. I don't know.
WILLIAMS: I think we should go bowling.
BOLLING: How about karaoke?
GUTFELD: Karaoke's good.
PERINO: Oh, no.
GUILFOYLE: We went bowling one time.
BOLLING: No karaoke?
GUILFOYLE: I would love to be in one of the jumpy castles with all of you, and I would aim for you first, Greg.
GUTFELD: Well, there you go. I had that nightmare or dream.
PERINO: I want to take everybody to the American Country Music Awards. That would be fun, though we'd have to go back to Vegas.
PERINO: Nobody is taking -- no takers?
GUILFOYLE: I liked it except for the excessive smoke.
WILLIAMS: Yes, you know, that was very different. It's almost a shock to me to go into places, and there's smoking these days. Boy, my life has changed, because everybody used to smoke.
GUTFELD: Juan -- Juan, did you want to answer the question?
GUILFOYLE: I wanted to really go to the pool. That was the problem.
GUTFELD: This is like -- you know what? I'm going to kill this question now.
PERINO: Our viewers are the flies on the wall.
GUTFELD: Yes, you know what I would do? I would like to have all of us sit together around a table and talk about political issues. That would be great.
GUILFOYLE: What would you call it?
GUTFELD: I think I'd call it "The Five."
"One More Thing" is up next.
PERINO: It's time now for "One More Thing." Greg.
GUTFELD: All right. "G.G. Show" tomorrow night, I've got Terry Shapert and the return of Ed Henry. He has two first names.
All right. Let's do this real quick.
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GUTFELD: Greg's Halloween tips.
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GUTFELD: I'm so tired of the same old cliche costumes. When people dress up as animals, they always go as, like, lions and tigers and dogs. You know, why don't you try something different? Dress up like a lemur. Here is footage from last year's FOX News Halloween party.
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GUILFOYLE: Is that you?
GUTFELD: No, it's Bill hemmer. That's Bill Hemmer as a lemur. He did an excellent job. And look how adorable Hemmer is. Look at those beautiful eyes. Hemmer is adorable.
PERINO: That's a good little lemur.
GUTFELD: Yes. Really?
GUILFOYLE: I was leaning on...
PERINO: Juan, you are next.
WILLIAMS: You know what? We're a week away, picking up here on -- a week away from Halloween. And Greg has been busy answering the phone. So I took it on myself to help America get ready with great costume ideas.
First up, we go to Ripley's Aquarium of the Smokeys down in Gatlinburg, Tennessee...
GUILFOYLE: Is that a penguin?
WILLIAMS: ... where Cocoa the Penguin has decided to dress up as a pig.
GUILFOYLE: That is so cute.
WILLIAMS: Go, Cocoa, go. Isn't he cute?
PERINO: No one will ever guess.
GUTFELD: That looks vaguely for-birded.
GUILFOYLE: Wait. Isn't Cocoa a girl?
WILLIAMS: Please. All right. Next up, we go to Coney Island's dog costume contest here in New York where some of the canines put on some very cool outfits.
PERINO: Super cute.
WILLIAMS: But we can also get some ideas, of course, right here at home on "The Five" set. Who's that?
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WILLIAMS: Can you guess who that is?
PERINO: A unicorn.
GUTFELD: That is some strange man.
WILLIAMS: And then last month...
GUILFOYLE: Roll the bubble suit.
WILLIAMS: Last month, Greg was wrapped, of course, in bubble wrap.
PERINO: There you go.
WILLIAMS: So I hope that will help you, America, get some ideas for Halloween.
GUILFOYLE: This is unbelievable. This is unbelievable.
PERINO: I'm going to go next. We've done a lot of praise of Chris Wallace, deservedly so. But I also want to thank the crew. We all want to thank the crew. They show up early. We get there, and we're, like, trash the place. And they stay behind, and they have to break it down. This is their group shot in Vegas.
GUTFELD: A motley crew.
PERINO: They've been amazing this last year and a half. So we want to thank the crew.
And also, I have treats. This is now "Kimberly's Food Court," but it's sort of...
PERINO: ... food court and business. Dunkin' Donuts had their quarterly call today, and they said they have a hole in their projected earnings. They have not been as good as they would like.
BOLLING: I get it.
PERINO: A hole, get it? And they blame the overall dampening effect of the presidential election. Apparently, people are not feeling like they want to buy Dunkin. But we did.
WILLIAMS: This is a Boston cream.
GUILFOYLE: Can you give me some of that, please?
WILLIAMS: Yes, but it's so delicious.
PERINO: Give her the first bite.
GUILFOYLE: Eat out of that end.
PERINO: And while she does that, Eric, you go next.
BOLLING: How do you blame the presidential election on coffee sales?
PERINO: People are disappointed or dampened. I don't know.
BOLLING: Or maybe because you're so excited you don't need coffee to stay awake.
GUILFOYLE: Thanks, Juan. Wow, that's really good.
BOLLING: OK, so we heard about a cyber-attack today.
BOLLING: It's called a...
BOLLING: ... the servers, what happens is, foreign servers come in, and they blast these sites. So it feels like it's fake traffic -- it feels like it's real traffic, and it blocks everyone else's use. But today, Amazon, Netflix, Tumblr, Twitter, Spotify, Airbnb, even PayPal...
PERINO: What about Grindr?
BOLLING: I don't know about that one.
BOLLING: PayPal had...
PERINO: I don't even know what it is.
BOLLING: ... service problems, interruptions. And they're trying to figure out right now...
GUILFOYLE: Oh, my God.
BOLLING: ... if it's a nation state.
GUILFOYLE: What's wrong with you.
BOLLING: This is -- I have no idea what's going on.
You don't know what Grindr is? Can we say?
GUTFELD: Can we start over again?
BOLLING: She wanted to know if Grindr was involved.
GUILFOYLE: I mouthed -- I mouthed it to her. Yes.
PERINO: I didn't know what it was.
WILLIAMS: You are so inappropriate.
GUILFOYLE: See what happens, hanging out with Gutfeld?
PERINO: Kimberly, can you save us?
GUTFELD: It's a sandwich. Your order a grinder in Philly.
WILLIAMS: Yes, that's it.
PERINO: What's the other one?
GUILFOYLE: My turn now? All right. Let's go bald. Bald eagle. All right? So we have a situation here. Turning to America's favorite pet videos. I don't even know.
GUTFELD: We're not even trying anymore.
GUILFOYLE: So this bald eagle flew through the windshield in Florida's turnpike near St. Cloud, Florida. Highway patrol trooper Julio Velez carefully approached the eagle, because they can be feisty.
GUILFOYLE: And put him in the back of the car. He's going to be released. He's going to live. They're going to tag him, put a little band on his little leg.
PERINO: I wonder if they took his head and, like, helped him into the vehicle.
GUILFOYLE: Fly and represent America.
PERINO: That's it for us. This was a great show. "Special Report" is up next.
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