Published January 14, 2015
This is a rush transcript from "On the Record," October 8, 2009. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.
GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, FOX NEWS HOST: This video says it all. Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid having an awkward moment in front of the world, and unfortunately for them, caught on tape.
Speaker Pelosi and Senator Reid had a meeting at the White House about the war on Afghanistan. So how did the meeting go? Watch this tape very closely.
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SEN. HARRY REID, D-NEVADA, SENATE MAJORITY LEADER: Madame Speaker, the one thing I think that was very interesting is that everyone, Democrats and Republicans, said whatever decision you make, we will support it, basically. So we will see.
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VAN SUSTEREN: Was that a flinch from the Speaker Pelosi and an eye roll? What was going on there? We report you decide.
FOX News contributor Tucker Carlson joins us live. And Tucker we can put this in slow-motion. Would you like to see it in slow-motion?
TUCKER CARLSON, FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR: You know what, I don't think I could watch that enough, Greta. Can we see that again?
VAN SUSTEREN: Let's see that in slow- motion.
There she goes. Look at that. Pull away. Get away. Look at that. She gets away.
CARLSON: That is fantastic.
VAN SUSTEREN: And how about the eye roll?
CARLSON: That is both a flinch and an eye roll.
VAN SUSTEREN: I like that.
CARLSON: I absolutely like that.
VAN SUSTEREN: I love it. I have a theory. "Get your guy hands off of me."
CARLSON: Completely. And also your stupid platitudes. I mean, I'm not a Nancy Pelosi defender most of the time, but this was a moment of pure honesty. This was the moment of Nancy Pelosi saying, oh come off it and Harry Reid, that is nonsense and you know it.
Nancy Pelosi is from these lefty antiwar caucus in the Congress. She represents a district that believes that. She personally believes that. She voted for Obama in the hopes that he would be that way, and now he's considering adding more troops to Afghanistan.
She doesn't want that, and she's telling us right now on national television with her eyes, and I appreciate the candor.
VAN SUSTEREN: And I like that get your hands off me. It's so condescending, it's order reaches over. Has Harry Reid done that to guys?
CARLSON: Harry Reid, in my experience and reread is enormously direct, brutally direct. Sometimes charmingly unpleasant, sometimes just plain unpleasant a guy, but he is very direct.
But he is not being direct here. He is kind of schmoozing.
Harry Reid is in a very tough reelection race next year in Nevada that he may very well lose, and he cannot in any way seem to be part of the Pelosi anti-war caucus because his constituents in the state are not for that. They want to see tough hawkish positions on Afghanistan.
So part of this is geographic. He represents a Nevada, she represents San Francisco, very different constituencies.
VAN SUSTEREN: I tell you, the way she pulled away for a bit, in my opinion, and we all look at this and we'll come up with our own ideas -- it looks like it was the creep factor, something like "don't touch me." It was something sort of condescending, "get your hands off of me."
CARLSON: But the ruling of her eyes -- would you listen to this majority leader? This is just too much.
VAN SUSTEREN: Do you know what she said afterwards, though? She was quoted in "The Politico," she insisted she wasn't upset," they had in "The Politico" was "I do not know where you would have heard such of thing."
CARLSON: No, it was where you would have watched such a thing.
VAN SUSTEREN: It's 85 times all over the news.
CARLSON: It's fantastic. I don't often say this, but good for Nancy Pelosi for telling roof at least with her expressions.
VAN SUSTEREN: So I wondered what happens next time they meet and they do a little press conference, it's going to be so stage. They are going to be so ready for this because we have hammered them on this.
CARLSON: There is a war in the Democratic Party over this question. A lot of people voted for Barack Obama in the hopes that he would pull American troops back home.
VAN SUSTEREN: He said the word necessity was Afghanistan. He was going to put more troops in. He did put more troops in, and there is now a proposal in front of him to put more troops in.
CARLSON: But they didn't go for the put more troops into Afghanistan.
VAN SUSTEREN: So they didn't believe him.
CARLSON: That's right. And moreover, we still have a lot of troops in Iraq. They are coming home, but it's a slow process. And by the end of the second term, if he has one, there will still be combat troops in Iraq.
And that is, to some people good news, two others a grave disappointment. And many of those are on the left, and this is a very real conversation/argument/battle taking place in the Democratic caucus right now.
VAN SUSTEREN: I always thought those litmus test from the San Francisco area which is of course where speaker Pelosi -- on don't ask, don't tell, because -- and I remember Robert Gibbs gave a rather one-word answer when he was asked whether that would be done with, and he said something like yes, or something like that. It was something very decisive. And nothing's happened on it.
CARLSON: Nothing's happened on it.
VAN SUSTEREN: I would suspect that would be something that many people would be disenchanted with the president about.
CARLSON: You would think that the gay-rights organizations that gave a lot of money to the Obama campaign and support him wholeheartedly would be extracting something from him now, that they would be outraged and picketing the White House. But they haven't.
I think there's been a lot of dissatisfaction. He's not going to get rid of it. He is afraid to get rid of it. I think he is really in some ways, to the left, a disappointment because he's not as decisive as they expected he might be.
VAN SUSTEREN: I love to be there when they try to reconcile the House bill and the Senate bill, and basically have. Reid and Speaker Pelosi, who probably will have very different bills, because the Senate bill will probably not have a public option in it, and the hospital does have a public option in it.
CARLSON: That's right.
VAN SUSTEREN: So these two right now, we see them with rolling eyes, Speaker Pelosi rolling eyes and pushing his arms off. Imagine what's going when it comes to that showdown.
CARLSON: We think about the battles in Congress in terms of Republicans versus Democrats. But this is a year where Republicans are just not as relevant as they have been in the past. In fact, in some ways they're kind of irrelevant.
The real fighter taking place among Democrats. And people forget that this is not a caucus where people agree with each other. You have pretty conservative Democrats -- not many, but some -- and you have a lot of liberal Democrats. And they are true believers as you get in every party.
VAN SUSTEREN: I love the two tapes. I love the human aspect to it. I love dumping the guys hand from the shoulder and rolls her eyes. I like that
CARLSON: I hope she tells the truth more often.
VAN SUSTEREN: Girl power!
CARLSON: Maybe if she stuck her tongue out, I would like that.
VAN SUSTEREN: It's so great. Anyway, Tucker, as always, it's nice to see you.
CARLSON: Thank you, Greta.
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