While Gary Vaynerchuk is an entrepreneur and Casey Neistat has made his name as a filmmaker, these very different personalities depend on two very related skills: Listening and communication. Watch this short video about why it’s so important as well as the skills they’re working on right now.

This interview was made in partnership with General Assembly’s Open the Door speaker series. To watch a livestream of Casey and Gary discussing storytelling, watch more here.

Related: Watch Our Livestream of Gary Vaynerchuk and Casey Neistat Wednesday at 7 p.m. EST