This is a rush transcript from "The Five," August 8, 2018. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.
JESSE WATTERS, CO-HOST: Hello, everybody. I'm Jesse Watters along with Candace Owens, Geraldo Rivera, Dana Perino, and Greg. It's 5 o'clock in New York City, and this is "The Five."
President Trump is predicting a red wave after last night's election results, this comes as the Democrats' dream of winning the race in Ohio's 12 appears to be just that, a dream. It's still too close to call, but the president is claiming victory with Republican candidate Troy Balderson leading. Trump backed candidates in other states also having big nights. The president confidently tweeting about his endorsement hot streak, as long as I campaign and/or support senate and house candidates, within reason, they will win. Speaking of winning, the opposite happened for socialist candidates looking to take over the Democrat Party, their new leader adding insult to injury with a baffling new statement.
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ALEXANDRIA OCASIO-CORTEZ, NEW YORK CONGRESSIONAL CANDIDATE: I think that politically this, like upper-middle-class is probably more moderate. But that upper-middle-class doesn't exist anymore in America. Their heyday was in the '90s when like, you know, kids had like Furbys, and like parents -- you have like soccer moms, like two vans and stuff like.
UNINDENTIFIED MALE: Furbys and two vans.
CORTEZ: That's not America anymore.
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WATTERS: I counted about seven likes in that sentence. I know that really bothers you, Dana.
GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: She's like a cute photo on Facebook. She gets a lot of likes.
WATTERS: She gets a lot of likes. So what do you think about last night in general, and then, also about -- not a very good statement by Ocasio-Cortez.
DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: I think that it was an interesting introduction that you have there in that segment. The Republicans did OK, but, like, I don't think they should be resting that there's going to be some big red wave because it's just -- it's just a tough environment, it always is in the first midterm for any president. Look at -- in history, and there's only one example -- kind of an aberration because of the war.
I do think that the interesting thing is how the left-wing progressives are not winning, so more traditional established type moderate Democrats who have been around the block a few times. They're winning. So Bernie and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, they have an interesting duo. They get a lot of attention. They are -- they have an outside influence in the media, but they're not translating that into wins on the ground. I don't know what that necessarily means going forward. I also point to something like in Missouri where voters voted two to one against a state legislative law for right to work.
PERINO: And one of the reasons is because the messaging by the Democrats and the unions was really good. They had one of these ads that showed, OK, workers get paid an average of $8 an hour compared to -- this is what CEO's get, and it was effective messaging. So, some of the things that we've talk about up here in New York, and like big picture -- we're not really seeing what's happening on the ground in some of these places.
WATTERS: That's right. Also talking about branding, Ben Jealous, very upset. He's running for governor in Maryland, former NAACP director. He was asked about being branded a socialist by his Republican opponent, and this is how he responded.
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UNINDENTIFIED FEMALE: Not to put to find a point on it, but do you identify with the term socialist?
BEN JEALOUS: Are you (BLEEP) kidding me? Is that a finer point?
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WATTERS: Wow, Greg.
GUTFELD: You know, I think I would vote for him just for that response because that's -- that's -- it was just so natural. I would say to your point, Ocasio's endorsements when ignored which leads me to conclude the only people that were paying attention to her was us, and we were building her up into something because she was a socialist and we like that. We have like a pinata for a while. And we're the only people that were -- like focusing. I love the -- I don't think this is a blue wave. I don't think it's a red wedding. It's more like a purple nurple.
GUTFELD: Everybody got a little of something, the Democrats almost won. But I love how the Washington Post can look at a victory that might happen for the Republicans and still call it a Democratic win because their morale is high and that's all that matters. My favorite story is the green party spoiler candidate who got 1,100 votes, may have cost the Democrats the election, but the Democrats cannot get mad at him because he claims he's from outer space and they are pro-alien.
GERALDO RIVERA, CO-HOST: What a relief.
(LAUGHTER) WATTERS: And we've invited that Democrat on Watters' World.
GUTFELD: Of course.
WATTERS: Green Party Democrat.
GUTFELD: He believes that every American should grow hemp.
RIVERA: And what's the bad news about that?
GUTFELD: I was saying that's beautiful.
PERINO: For the good of the country.
GUTFELD: For the good of the country. He can't remember his own website, so there might be a correlation.
RIVERA: I thought Jesse's intro was, you know, I always wear those red -- the rose-colored glasses. I thought yours were definitely rose tinted because.
RIVERA: . there's trouble ahead for the Republican Party unless the president maintains his hands on approach. He did a great job. I think John James in Michigan is the rock star of the election last night. He's a West Pointer, and an apache pilot, a combat veteran, a black businessman, successful business, grew his business, married, two kids, I think he really has a tremendous future. I don't know if he can beat the incumbent, Debbie Stabenow, but I think he's got a terrific, terrific future.
On the other hand, I think the president's embrace of Kris Kobach in Kansas, I mean, why Kris Kobach? I mean, he's a nice guy, he's very articulate, Ivy League educated, but his policies on immigration are so Neanderthal-ish that I don't know how he can possibly win. I don't know why the president chose him. Probably because of loyalty because Kobach came in and helped him craft his draconian immigration policy.
GUTFELD: Why do you have to pick on the Neanderthals?
WATTERS: Maybe not the Neanderthals. Strict, I think it's strict. We have some sound from Danny boy, as President Trump likes to call him. I guess almost eked out a victory in Ohio 12. This is what he had to say about Nancy Pelosi, Candace.
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UNINDENTIFIED MALE: Will you vote for Nancy Pelosi to be your Speaker of the House?
DANNY O'CONNOR, OHIO CONGRESSIONAL CANDIDATE: No, I won't. And we really need the leadership because what we see in Washington, and I think that was demonstrated last night, is that the same old politics aren't working.
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WATTERS: So, they're running candidates in certain places, Candace, that are trying to distance themselves from Nancy Pelosi.
CANDACE OWENS, GUEST CO-HOST: And that is actually a smart move. And that's why I think you had such a successful campaign. Look, we -- on the right, we had to be very careful there in Ohio. It's been a close call. We don't really know what's going to come of it. But I will say this, the smartest thing you can do is distance yourself from the extremists. Distance yourself from Nancy Pelosi. Distance yourself from Elizabeth Warren. Distance yourself from Maxine Waters, who is calling for violence. And that's the only way they're going to be able to salvage the Democrat Party.
And look, the thing I was watching last night, obviously, was the Democratic socialists. I was happy to see that that crashed and it burned in that four of the candidates that Alexandria Cortez endorsed, nothing happened there, because that's gonna -- that was a very compelling story there. Is that really where we're going to go? A 100 million debt in the last 100 years due to socialism and that's what their platform is essentially built on. But it turns out, America, good news, most of America understands basic math and, no, everything cannot be free.
RIVERA: I like the platform. I have to say, I love $15 an hour minimum wage. I think, why not? I mean, how do you live with eight bucks an hour? Some of these.
OWENS: Can I give you the math? Can I actually give you the math?
RIVERA: Let me finish with what I like that you hate.
RIVERA: . guaranteed health care. There should be Medicaid for everybody.
RIVERA: . I think. I think that student debt, I mean, my goodness. I was a movie star for three years. I mean, seriously. I was the biggest local news man in New York. Three years it took me to pay off my.
OWENS: Well, I had $100,000.
GUTFELD: Why is that our problem?
OWENS: I had a $100,000 incident loan debt and guess how I got out of it. I worked my way out of it like everybody else should. You read the papers, you understand, which I didn't at the time what you're signing and you move on. But listen to this, $15 an hour means that businesses are just going to hire less people. More people will be out of work. That is the mathematics of it. That's the way it works.
OWENS: You can't just say -- businesses can't make the money come out of thin air.
GUTFELD: All right. Just the two points that Geraldo raise, the minimum wage is for people -- you're not supposed to stay at the minimum wage. It's the entry-level first rung of the ladder. So the idea of raising that -- raising that -- that one wrong doesn't help anybody. That's just to get more people on the ladder, so you have to keep that -- that's why you keep the price low. Student debt, the reason for that is because we are giving too many loans out. We're making it easy to go to college, and so now we have all these people.
And college, let's face it, is overrated. It really is. It's expensive and it's overrated. And now it's becoming -- you have all these kids that are basically enslaved to campuses and it's nuts. But I also -- just to the coming election, I think we -- I'm a neurotic. I plan for the worst. I don't see any really encouraging news for Republicans. I don't out of what happen last night. I think you should -- if you want to win.
RIVERA: How about the other way around.
GUTFELD: If you win -- if you want to win, prepare to lose. And that will make you fight harder.
PERINO: Part of it is the funding, right? So -- and Congressman Steve Stivers who is the chairman of the National Republican Congressional Committee said, hey, guys, we can't do this for all of you, OK. So --we've pulled out all the stops.
WATTERS: They put 4 million into that Ohio race.
PERINO: At least. I mean, at least. And that doesn't count independent expenditures. Not to mention, the travel and time of Pence and President Trump. If the president is going to come and campaign for you, like, that's a huge investment. And you have to figure out how much time does he actually have to be going and doing rallies everywhere for you. You've got to do your work. You've got to figure out a way not to be outspent by these Democrats.
OWENS: You've got to give up Furbys.
WATTERS: How is the president -- let's just say things don't go as well as he thinks they're going to go. There's no red wave and the Democrats maybe have one or two vote margin in the house. If he's out there as he says campaigning 6 to 7 days a week and he doesn't keep the house, how will he frame that issue? How will he explain what happened?
RIVERA: Well, before he does the explaining, the problem with the Republicans losing the House of Representatives is what? It is that they will move immediately to try to impeach the President of the United States. I really believe that in my heart, even though I am in many ways very progressive.
WATTERS: Pelosi said it's not necessarily up there that they're going to do.
RIVERA: I've invested in this president. I want him to survive. And I hate the idea that they're going to short-circuit his term or attempt to. And in the very least, it's going to be a gigantic distraction from real problems, like Syria.
GUTFELD: It's also going to create massive unrest in America. We have 66 million people, knowing that you are now stealing elections because you didn't like the results.
PERINO: Can I tell you there's another thing though. Let's just say that they don't move for impeachment, as Pelosi have said that they won't. There's another road for President Trump and it's about something he'll be very good at, which is to say, well, I did all I could. The media and the lame Republicans who couldn't get out there and raise enough money and campaign well, they lost. But, you know what? I can get things done with these guys. I'm a dealmaker, right? Let's do infrastructure week. Let's finally actually get it done.
PERINO: There's another way and Bill Clinton did that in 1996 -- '94, excuse me, '94 to '96. His reelection was actually quite good. If you really -- what you really care about is President Trump getting reelected in 2020, losing the house is not the worst thing that could happen to you.
WATTERS: All right. An anti-Trump liberal mayor gets a free pass after attacking the press. Greg calls out the hypocrisy, up next.
GUTFELD: New York City Mayor Bill De Blasio spoke to The Guardian on Tuesday. The Guardian is a crazy left British newspaper, so it's basically no different than De Blasio talking to himself. Crazy stuff comes out of his mouth and people with butterfly nets make a circle because the loony bin might be the only place left for De Blasio and his make-believe politics. That was a lot. He told The Guardian if you could remove News Corp. from the last 25 years of American history, we would be a more unified country. We would not be suffering a lot of the negativity and divisiveness we're going through right now.
We went to the mainstream media for comment on this blatant attack on the press.
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Bill De Blasio, when was the last time you gave this towering piece of politics a thought? So he thinks America would be better off without us? What he's really saying is he would be better off without us. But he's wrong. Even without America's most-watched news channel making fun of him, other progressive still shun him. He's 7 feet of political invisibility. So it should be easy to pretend De Blasio's dumb ideas don't exist, but if that were the case, millions of people would be better off. You can't beat leftism for burdening humanity and that's why Lurch hate us. We point this out while doing our best to ignore him.
Anyway, over at CNN, Brian Seltzer denied the mayor's words aren't attack on the press, claiming it's not about the media at all, but a media empire, right? I guess if Trump didn't say it it's not a story and it's about Fox, who cares? We get it. Run along, Brian. Anderson's lunch is getting cold.
GUTFELD: OK. Dana, De Blasio is the mayor, he's not the president. But, I mean.
PERINO: But he wants to be the president.
GUTFELD: Yes, yes.
PERINO: That's what I think this is all about. He's a term limited lame duck. This is right around the time when in Iowa, Democratic hopefuls started going out there.
PERINO: . trying to like -- like, basically send out a signal, and attacking leaning publications is a way to do that. Hmm, where did he learn that?
GUTFELD: Yes, yes.
PERINO: Like -- what President Trump has been very effective with it. I don't know if it will work for de Blasio. I assume not. But I do think that he's wading back into some of these bigger fights, like he wants to pick a fight with Uber here in New York City.
PERINO: And that's probably because he needs some reason, some way, to get national coverage.
GUTFELD: Yeah. Candace, double standard the fact -- they're talking about Fox, not a big deal, because, you know, everybody knows what Fox is. It's not like CNN.
OWENS: Is that a serious -- double standard on the left. I mean, is water wet? This is what we're seeing all the time. This is their entire thing. We can do it, but you guys can't. The left loves this, you know. They've been unusually silent at CNN this week. They were silent when we were attack, although they spent all of last week crying about Jim Acosta in the CNN sucks chant, which, by the way, it kind of does, OK? This is what they do. It's sickening, but at the same time it's like par for the course. This is the number one network for a reason. Nobody cares what De Blasio thinks.
GUTFELD: Geraldo, I was going to ask you a question but I can tell you're about to talk.
RIVERA: Why? Just because my.
GUTFELD: Yeah, yeah, I can see it.
RIVERA: My fists clenched.
GUTFELD: You know De Blasio. You know everybody in New York.
RIVERA: He's a -- what has always impressed me about De Blasio is that for all his dominance of local politics, New York mayoral politics and local politics, he has zero national appeal. Zero charisma.
RIVERA: I mean, when you compare him to Bloomberg, or to Giuliani, or Ed Koch before that. You know, he's a guy -- he's a giant guy, he dominates physically, and yet he has zero kind of appeal. It doesn't move the needle at all. I don't think he has any future in the Democratic Party. He's never talked about it. And he really has it out for Fox News. I mean, we have pressed parking outside. I've always had pressed parking. Forty seven -- forty eight years in the business, I've always had NYP plates because I've always parked right in front of my shop. I worked at ABC 13 years, NBC 8 years, I did the talk shows at CBS, 11 years. And I've always have NYP. He took NYP parking away from Fox News. They still have it at NBC two blocks up. They still have it at CBS, four blocks up.
GUTFELD: This is an outrage. I think America.
GUTFELD: Feel his rage. Geraldo lost his special parking place.
PERINO: That is ridiculous.
GUTFELD: Jesse, have you lost any preferred parking since de Blasio became mayor?
WATTERS: I need to know how to get those NYP plates. I need some of those. I remember de Blasio physically had me removed from his press conference by security because I asked him a question.
PERINO: Did they pick you up?
WATTERS: No, they couldn't. I'm pretty strong. So, they had -- he's very prickly, he's very sensitive. He doesn't want unity in this country. He wants a monopoly. They can't be content with 90 percent control over the media. They need a hundred percent control. They can't stand criticism and they want praise. He tweeted at me and said Jesse Watters doesn't belong in New York City.
PERINO: What does he mean?
WATTERS: One time he was getting warm in a tent during New Year's Eve and I wanted to go down there and get warm too, and I was told by his security, no, you're not allowed to be in the same tent as the mayor. He doesn't want you in there.
GUTFELD: That's the greatest story. So -- and he tweeted at you?
GUTFELD: I'm now beginning to like this mayor.
GUTFELD: Get out of my tent.
OWENS: Get out of my tent, Jesse.
GUTFELD: Well, that's intolerant. If you can't allow, you know, Jesse to get warm.
(LAUGHTER) PERINO: How could we let the segment go by without talking about the obvious degradation of this city?
GUTFELD: Yeah. No, it's true.
PERINO: I've lived here, what? Seven years, almost eight years.
PERINO: And in the last few, you can really see a decline. Every day, you see it more.
RIVERA: Because of Uber.
GUTFELD: No, but the thing is, Geraldo, it's because.
RIVERA: Construction on every block.
GUTFELD: No. Geraldo, because nobody vote in New York because they assume nobody is going to win. So, 20 percent of the people vote.
PERINO: Uber didn't cause the homeless problem.
OWENS: The homeless problem -- I was shocked by that the other morning when I was walking. There're so many homeless people and it -- it weeks. New York City was cleaner years ago.
PERINO: People deserve to be treated better than that.
WATTERS: That's Antifa.
GUTFELD: It is all Geraldo's fault because of the deinstitutionalization. I'm blaming you, Geraldo. I'm kidding.
WATTERS: He should run for mayor.
RIVERA: That's right.
(CROSSTALK) OWENS: No, not with that Democrat policy though.
(CROSSTALK) GUTFELD: You'll get a better parking space. Run as an independent. Run as an independent.
RIVERA: John James, by the way, should campaign as a Democrat in Michigan.
RIVERA: . even though he's a Republican. He should be in Detroit. He should be in Flint.
RIVERA: That's what I want.
GUTFELD: Why wouldn't you run as an independent?
RIVERA: Because I don't want to. My time has passed.
PERINO: That's not true.
RIVERA: I want to sit in my hammock.
PERINO: This is the new.
RIVERA: I'll eat protein. We'll talk about that later, that great.
PERINO: Your agents now were like crying.
GUTFELD: They're yelling at me.
RIVERA: . rice and beans, margaritas.
GUTFELD: I'm hungry. Crazy story out of New Mexico about a man allegedly training children to commit school shootings, details on that next.
PERINO: Fox News alert, this is a disturbing story out of New Mexico, prosecutors saying a man accused of abusing children at a compound in the state was training them to carry out school shootings. William La Jeunesse joins us now with all the very latest. William.
WILLIAM LA JEUNESSE, FOX NEWS CORRESPONDENT: Well, Dana, it's actually all the adults there. But let me tell you, Police did find these 11 children, ages 1 to 15, last week, hungry and malnourished, living in this compound in rural New Mexico. They've also found an AR-15, five 30 round loaded magazines and four loaded pistols. Now, according to court records from just a few hours ago, these five defendants that you see here, two men and three women, trained at least one of the children and how to use a gun. Quoting from those records, a foster parent of one of the 11 children stated the defendant had trained a child in the use of an assault rifle in preparation for a future school shooting. Additional charges filed specifically against the women for transporting kids beyond state lines for the purpose of receiving advanced weapons training to commit future acts of violence.
Now, police executed a search warrant last week after receiving a text saying, we are starving, need food and water. A SWAT team after seeing a firing range on the property, moved in unannounced, and arrested the five suspects. Now they were looking for a boy, a 3-year-old, Abdul Wahhaj, he was kidnapped last year by his father, Siraj, who believed the boy was possessed by the devil and plan to perform an exorcism. In fact, the boy could not walk because of epilepsy. Now, Siraj's father is a controversial Islamic cleric, and was a unindicted conspirator in the '93 World Trade Center bombing according to the New York Post, The Daily News, and Senator Chuck Schumer. The cleric also called the CIA and the FBI terrorists and defended the man who was ultimately convicted in the Trade Center bombing.
So court records say some of these kids who are now in state custody, Dana, told police that in the last few days, they saw that 3-year-old boy, Abdul, that he was in the compound, he is now assumed to be dead. Police retrieved what they believe to be his bones, but that has yet to be confirmed by a coroner. Right now, all five suspects are in court. Back to you.
PERINO: Wow, thank you, William. Sobering, confusing, very disturbing story. Geraldo, I'll go to you first because you've covered a lot of these breaking news stories and there's a lot we don't know, but what do your instincts tell you?
RIVERA: Well, a couple of things. The first thing I think of -- you know, I think of all my Muslim friends, and I think about every time there's one of these cases. And here you are, extremist Muslims with AR-15s and compounds, planning school shootings all of that.
My dad, proud Puerto Rican, came here. And every time there was a big crime, he used hold his breath until the perpetrator was identified, hoping against hope that it wouldn't be a Puerto Rican, because it was going to like disparage the whole community.
So I feel awful for the Muslim community. I want to emphasize that they had candidates running. One is going to be the first candidate of the Congress in Michigan, all the rest of that.
In terms of the extremism, these are nut jobs. These are narcissistic, paranoid, crazy militant people. I don't know how they existed that long in the New Mexico desert before someone complained about them. This complaint, as I understand, it came from family services in Georgia. You know, it's a very disturbing, tacky awful story. I'm sorry about the 3- year-olds. I hope the other 11can get over the scars that these monsters inflicted allegedly.
PERINO: Any initial thought, Candace?
OWENS: Well, my initial thought is not, first, to defend the religion of Muslim. I think it's a strange reaction that we're seeing more and more, particularly on the left, is to dive down and say Muslim is a religion of peace. Islam is a religion of peace.
I think it's an important dialogue we need to have especially in this country when we start to have conversations about bringing refugees from regions of the world, which are against the American culture.
RIVERA: This guy is from Brooklyn.
OWENS: I understand that he's from Brooklyn, but I'm talking about in general, when we talk about bringing refugees over, we are talking about extremists over. And this guy obviously is extreme.
So I hesitate. I wouldn't do what you did there, instantly defend it. I hope that there's a wider conversation because God forbid they did not stop this. What, you know, what would be the consequence?
OWENS: How much of this is being bred here? Why is it being bred here? Who is coming over here and teaching this sort of indoctrination? So there are a lot of bigger questions that need to happen, terrible story. And I definitely following it and seeing what happens.
PERINO: Greg, the idea of school shootings as a form of terror. You know, whenever we've covered a lot of school shootings on the show. There's always a question, was this terrorism related. And often it turned out not to be the case. By the idea that school shootings are a form of terrorism is an interesting one.
GUTFELD: Yes. I mean, one of the -- you know, there are no silver lining to this other than the fact that it was stopped.
GUTFELD: So that's a pretty good silver lining. But we're hearing fewer and fewer of these things happening. That to me is encouraging. But I don't want to relax. And I always feel extremism will be a around as long as humanity is around. And we have 330 million people, so you're bound to have a few extremists that can inflict.
One person can inflict incredible damage.
GUTFELD: And we always have to be cognizant and not be afraid if we do see something to say something and not go after people who actually do say something. And who might be wrong. I think that's what keeps people from reporting things is that, they see something, they say something. But if they do something then they get in trouble. But I think in this, you know, in this case as an example that these mind sets will exist.
PERINO: And then, thankfully the people who are did something here were the authorities in charge, would able to go in and save the kids.
WATTERS: Yes, hats off to law enforcement. They saved countless lives. Not only the children there at the compound, but the potential victims of the school shootings.
I can't believe this guy is the son of an imam who was an unindicted coconspirator in the '93 World Trade Center bombing. How many unindicted conspirators have there been in the '93 World Trade Center bombing? It sounds like there's dozens of them. Why are they unindicted and why are they keep popping up?
GUTFELD: And why are these (inaudible).
WATTERS: Exactly. The sons, the uncles, everyone iu -- this family tree is poisoned. And this guy is a huge red flag. I'm glad they finally nailed him.
PERINO: Indeed. We'll keep on it and bring you more information as it becomes available.
Meanwhile, two NFL Hall of Famers take a stand against kneeling. Will protesting players listen to them this season? That's ahead.
RIVERA: Two NFL Hall of Famers are taking a stand against protesting players. The legendary Cleveland Browns, my new favorite team, running back Jim Brown weighing in on the anthem controversy, saying -- Jim saying, he would never kneel. "I am not going to denigrate my flag, and I am going to stand for the national anthem. Because what is the top side? Are you not going to stand up? This is our country, man." Brown adding that he respects the players and coaching great Tony Dungy also agrees.
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TONY DUNGY, FORMER NFL COACH: I would stand because I personally think that's the way to go. But I know -- my dad was in the service, he was in the military. That's why he fought, that's why he enlisted in World War II to give us the choice, the freedom of choice to do what we think is best. These guys are not unpatriotic. They're not standing against our country. They are standing against -- kneeling against what's wrong in the country.
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RIVERA: So Candace, what about that? What about Coach Dungy? He is such a wonderful person. He is so agreeable and thoughtful.
OWENS: Wonderful, wonderful. Yes. I was really happy to see this. (Inaudible) the week, I'm really excited about this. I'm seeing more and more of this to be honest. NFL protesting is starting to stop and we're seeing more players stand up and say that they are not going to participate in it, which means people are starting to think individually, which is what I preach and what I practice every single day.
Look, the problem with these protests is obvious. It was built upon essentially something that wasn't true. If you're going to stand up for something and you say it is police brutality and shootings. So that impact during the year that all of this started, 2016. Only 16 unarmed black men were shot and killed by police officers. Result, that the total is 0.0004% of the black community was impacted by this.
They are never kneeling when you talk about welfare programs. They are never kneeling for fatherless absents, all of the other problems that we have. And that's what I took issue with. Why would you pick this issue? That was my problem.
RIVERA: What about freedom of speech, though, what about the fact that, as Coach Dungy says, the players have an absolute right. They are not doing anything to disrespect the country. They are doing it to point out some of the problems that Candace seems to think are inflated.
WATTERS: I think they have freedom of speech off the field, on their Twitter account, if they want to come on Gutfeld's Show are ESPN or a podcast, and they can say whatever they want. But once you're wearing the uniform of the owner and you're standing there on the field, not your field. I mean, that's the company field.
You can't do whatever you want. And you can be sanctioned for that. You can be fined. You can be told what to do. They regulate what we do here at Fox News.
So I think it was the wrong thing. It backfired. They realize that. Kaepernick has now faded. The tide is turning. The Cowboys player that came out, I thought that was strong. That's moving the needle. The debacle with the Philadelphia Eagles going to the White House I think changed a lot of people's minds.
Hopefully, this thing has now calmed down and we can have a nice, good NFL season. And the Eagles can repeat.
RIVERA: The Browns can't do any worse. They have Baker Mayfield, maybe a good future. You know what, I worry about President Trump, Dana, and this issue because -- and even when he takes on messing words. I know that's not what we're talking about. But when you call players low intelligence or son of a bitches, or whatever, you know, I worry that he doesn't use the same tone when he's criticizing white guys for doing white guy stuff.
PERINO: Have you heard him?
WATTERS: Did you ever hear what he said about John McCain?
PERINO: Yes. I mean, I think he doesn't have a problem going after people.
WATTERS: Lock her up.
RIVERA: You don't think there's a problem with that?
WATTERS: Talk about Rosie O'Donnell.
PERINO: I think that people remember the insults a lot more than they would remember the fact that there's a good economy or things like that. I mean, I think it's counterproductive for President Trump and also for the players who are kneeling.
Because at this point, no one is thinking that as Candace was saying, that it's not about the original idea for the protest. I did know that Shannon Sharpe took a lot of a bridge of what Jim Brown said. And one of the things that he wrote was that movements are team efforts, and the players doing this didn't asked Jim to be part of it. And he's disappointed in him and that because --
RIVERA: Shannon Sharpe is disappointed with Jim Brown?
PERINO: And Jim Brown because I believe right now you're doing activism for pay. So it is exacerbating within the black community. I like the football season. I don't know a lot about it but I kind of enjoy the whole culture around it. So hopefully, yes, I agree. And I hear that the Broncos have a really good new quarterback.
RIVERA: Pretty good. Are you a big football fan? I don't know.
GUTFELD: You know, I used to play pro ball in the '70s.
RIVERA: You were the ball.
GUTFELD: Yes, I was the ball. Good one, OK. Just pulling out on this actual topic and why something like this in general for me is refreshing. It's why old guys are refreshing because they remind you of an old-school mentality that seems to be fading.
RIVERA: Are you talking about me?
GUTFELD: Well, you two maybe. Jim Brown is like -- it is kind of like when he is talking, you were actually time traveling to another era where men were stoic and laconic. There was less navel-gazing and emotive analysis that you see. We put a lot of importance on being well-spoken, but there's a certain masculine minimalism from the '70s. In the '60s, guys just did stuff. They didn't say stuff.
And I think that when you hear -- so I think that's the difference between like Brown and the modern-day adult, is that --
RIVERA: Johnny Manziel.
GUTFLED: He just says what he -- he is like you just stand up. Your job, you have to stand up. That's how old guys think and we're missing that.
OWENS: They were men. That's what's changed. Men were men back then.
RIVERA: Men were men. I hate the fact that politics has infected sports. I hate it.
GUTFELD: I hate it I was infected "The Five."
RIVERA: Deadlifting drama, deadlifting drama. Find out what sparked a barbell blowout at the gym. That's next.
OWENS: All right, guys. When pumping iron goes wrong. A 19-year-old weight lifter at a Canadian gym was in the middle of his work out when he was confronted by an angry member for being too loud. The two then got into a heated shoving match. Watch.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Get out of here. Get out of here.
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OWENS: That man has been banned from the health club and could face criminal charges. So with that in mind, one of the five biggest gym pet peeves take it away, Jesse?
WATTERS: Well, you know, I don't lift heavy anymore. So I don't have anybody spot me. I'll do like, you know, higher reps, low weights, I do a lot of planking and a lot of sit ups and stuff like that. Yes, there's me with my old trainer, Corey.
GUTFELD: You actually got a picture.
WATTERS: I dropped the trainer. I can't afford them anymore. I joined a different gym. And I need you Corey.
GUTFELD: You work out in a sleeve shirt.
OWENS: Jesse is so hot right now.
WATTERS: No, I roll those up for the photo.
OWENS: Yes, yes. Jesse is not even answering the question, everybody. Jesse is just showing off.
WATTERS: Here's what I don't like. I don't like when I am working out and then trainers at the gym keep trying to get me to sign up to be a personal trainer.
GUTFELD: Every one (inaudible).
OWENS: Or a great one sales at the gym. That was a strong answer. All right.
GUTFELD: Let me go because I don't believe that tape was real because the camera was situated perfectly. But maybe he does that to watch himself workout but it seemed too -- I don't do that. I hate equipment hogs, people that sit on equipment too long, that seem crazy.
But if you're going to talk like, you got -- you can't tell these people not to make noise. I have tape of somebody you know right here. This is our good friend.
WATTERS: Oh, my God.
PERINO: Oh my gosh.
WATTERS: Who was that?
GUTFELD: That's Tyrus. He's on my show. He sits in for me on "The Five". So I would not tell him that he was making noise. Dana, would you?
PERINO: I would say, could you just keep it down in there, Tyrus? So I talk -- so I have a trainer, believe it or not. John Opreita (ph) and he watched the video, Candace, that you open with. And he said that the guy did the right thing. That he was using the proper technique and he should not have gotten in any trouble for that.
What bothers me at the gym, there's his guy, he's a trainer. He wears his coat in the gym, like poppy jacket, even if it's 90 degrees outside.
GUTFELD: To burn calories?
PERINO: I don't know. But it bothers me that he's wearing his coat.
OWENS: Yes, I would be uncomfortable.
PERINO: Oh I've got another one. This guy, when he walks on the stepper, instead of doing it normal, he has to hit it every time like this and it makes a huge noise and drives me insane. I hope he is watching. I'm pretty sure he is not.
RIVERA: I think that -- that looked like 'roid rage to me. It look like people all popped up on steroids. I mean, I'm not accusing anybody. They are stupid. I hate when they do wiped off their stuff.
PERINO: That's just a germ thing, I think we're all going to have to switch our gyms after this segment, if everyone watching this. I have to be honest with America. I am the girl that sometimes get distracted by her phone and sits on the machine.
GUTFELD: I hate you. You are the worst.
OWENS: I know, I know.
WATTERS: Do you take gym selfies?
OWENS: I don't take gym selfies.
GUTFELD: Where do you work out?
GUTFELD: Neither do it.
OWENS: So bad. No, I have a gym in my building. You can't not pay attention to your phone the whole time, the music is on your phone. And then it blurs out. Then you have to look at it.
WATTERS: I use an iPod.
RIVERA: Howard Stern gave me great earphones.
PERINO: Howard Stern, can you set me up with some earphones?
OWENS: That is absolutely hoax. Anymore pet peeves?
RIVERA: Oh here's my earphones.
PERINO: You have a picture.
GUTFELD: You got a picture?
RIVERA: I have a picture.
PERINO: I didn't know we were submitting pictures.
RIVERA: Your average 75-year-old.
PERINO: That's pretty decent weights right there.
GUTFELD: At least you had your shirt on.
RIVERA: I did. I was instructed to keep my shirt on.
OWENS: I don't take gym selfies. I actually should invest in having the iPod. Because I feel like that would help me be a little less distracted.
GUTFELD: Then I can put my phone away. But the people sitting on the machine, and you say can I use the machine and they go I've got three more sets.
OWENS: No, I go, yes, just reminded me I was on a machine. And then I do my three sets. Actually, I had a girl the other day. We were in a separate room. She brought her boombox and played her music. Just like dirty hip hop.
PERINO: No, not for me.
OWENS: I was like wait.
RIVERA: I think maybe it was a class.
OWENS: She was (inaudible) on everybody's music.
PERINO: My building is so uptight, there's no music in the gym. You could only have it in your ears.
OWENS: That's good. All right, "One More Thing" is up next.
WATTERS: Time now for "One More Thing", Gregory.
GUTFELD: Hey, thanks Jesse, it's been a pleasure tonight working with you. I want to thank everybody, Huntington, New York at a review. Here's a tape of me at the book. Listen to this. Listen to the -- can you hear it?
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GUTFELD: I don't think I can keep doing this, I'll get very dizzy. And I'll fall over. I just wanted to see how big the crowd was. This is definitely bigger than his (inaudible).
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GUTFELD: Yes, it was like 800 people there. Tonight, I'm going to be at Northvale, New Jersey at Books and Grettings and tomorrow Ridgewood, New jersey at Bookends, clever little name there. The book is doing great and I would like to thank everyone at the table for helping me with this.
RIVERA: Don't be modest.
PERINO: New York Times best seller.
RIVERA: Best seller.
GUTFELD: I didn't want to say it because I was expecting every to someone else to say it.
OWENS: I was going to then you start baiting.
PERINO: How many New York Times bestsellers is this for you?
GUTFELD: That for four.
PERINO: Four amazing.
GUTFELD: Oh great. So that's like what (inaudible) to do with Johnny Carson. So how many is that 100? Well, it's three. Yes, but four, it's four I think.
PERINO: Congratulations, it was a great book.
WATTERS: All right, Dana?
PERINO: OK. This is something new, I haven't seen this yet. Here we have this new thing of mine. Dana's Sports Corner.
WATTERS: It's a great outfit.
PERINO: Because I love Greg's Sport Corner, it was the first thing he ever did. I think it was like the first week of the show, seven years ago. I have some big news, you know, I'm a big sports fan. Today, the NCAA adopted some sweeping policy changes in rules, in hopes of cleaning up college basketball because as you know it's been engulfed in scandal and corruption over the last few years.
One of the major changes is that elite high school basketball recruits and college players can be now represented by agents who are certified by the NCAA. And they can basically go into the draft and return to school even if they don't make it. But that's a big change. That's a new thing.
GUTFELD: That's a lame sports corner.
PERINO: I know, I got to work on it.
WATTERS: That should clear up something.
GUTFELD: We have animals in it.
WATTERS: Here some better sports actions. This is the Minor League Baseball game, look what happen when this one guy, very angry about some calls made by the up. Very, very upset by this. Get to this huge argument with the umpire, could not take it anymore. Gets kicked out, he goes into the dugout, brings a garbage bucket out onto the field and places it right behind home plate, clever. That is a garbage call.
GUTFELD: That is clever. I've never seen that before.
WATTERS: That is innovative.
GUTFELD: I agree.
WATTERS: Very eloquent, well, well done. Geraldo?
RIVERA: So our daughter Sil was in camp in Toronto, same camp as her mom. So this is when Sol first sees mama and runs into her arms. So that's in Toronto, but when we were waiting for Sol to get out of camp we went to Montreal. And in Montreal, you have to try the poutine, this is food that is all the rage.
I have a plate right in front of me right here. Well, it basically is French fries with cheese curds with brown gravy. Take some chance. With brown gravy, and it used to be like peasant food but it's all the rage now.
GUTFELD: It looks like a carnival clown threw up.
PERINO: No, it's actually delicious.
GUTFELD: And it's great for drunk and stoners. They will love it.
PERINO: That's good stuff.
OWENS: Yes. So one more thing, poutine is delicious, that's not my one more thing. Look, unemployment rate is low, everybody is out there looking for jobs and actually getting them. One woman went about at the wrong way.
In Illinois, one woman who went to a career fair on her lunch break got caught out after a TV news filmed her looking for new work. The footage captured her. She found out because a family friend sent her. A text had said, you looked really good in the picture on the news.
WATTERS: All right. Don't miss an episode of "The Five." "Special Report" up next. Everybody's dream, Shannon Bream.
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