This is a rush transcript from "The Ingraham Angle," March 30, 2018. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.
LAURA INGRAHAM, HOST: Hey, everybody. I'm Laura Ingraham and welcome to this special edition of "The Ingraham Angle."
Culture wars and the age of Trump. As we have been reporting since our debut five months ago on nearly every single issue, the left seems kind of fresh out of ideas, and I'm seeing it this way. Rather than offering reasonable solutions to real world problems facing the American people, the left is desperately trying to stoke tumult and protests at almost every turn. You don't believe me? Watch this.
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SEN. TAMMY DUCKWORTH, D-ILLINOIS: So many more Americans, including our president has never worn the uniform and he needs to back off because I would stand up and fight for transgender and all military men and women.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The census is not a political tool. This is a first cousin of these voter I.D. laws. Make sure that African-Americans and Latinos can't vote.
JAKE TAPPER, CNN HOST: President Trump might have met his match with Stormy Daniels.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Are Trump's alleged affairs a threat to his presidency?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We are talking I think understandably and appropriately about the most serious legal allegations that Stormy Daniels made.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Clearly, this is something that has gotten to the president.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The reason he can't engage with stormy Daniels is because she has got his number.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Actually, extraordinary cultural moment that a porn star is more credible than the president of the United States.
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INGRAHAM: Another never Trumper. Joining me now for reaction is Democratic strategist and attorney, Richard Goodstein, and Dan Bongino, who is a former Secret Service agent and contributor to NRA TV. Great to see both of you.
All right. Let's start with you, Richard. The president's numbers are at its highest point that they have been since last spring. Even CNN has to concede that Trump and the GOP see their popularity rise. They say it's not bigly but the averaging shows that it's going up.
The generic ballot has shrunk from 16 percent Democrat favor to 6 percent in March. It seems like the people want more real-world solutions to real problems. The Democrats keep going back to these other wedge issues.
RICHARD GOODSTEIN, DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST: Well, he is still historically unpopular relative to every president at this point in his administration. The Gallup poll, which tends to be the gold standard has him at 40 favorable.
INGRAHAM: That's what they had him at right before he won the election, by the way.
GOODSTEIN: Just saying. So, what you have is record number of retirements from the House members, who are pretty sensitive to these numbers as well. Record numbers like off the charts of committee chairs. Dozens being outraised of Republicans incumbents being outraised by Democratic challengers.
So, all kind of the real world (inaudible) suggest that politicians who really have their careers at hinge on these numbers, they don't have the confidence that you have that somehow or another Trumps trumping back.
I will say that there is an element of the pot calling kettle black to say that somehow Democrats are playing up these cultural issues. This is the Willie Horton party. This is --
INGRAHAM: What Michael Dukakis came up with Willie Horton. That was his initial thing, right?
GOODSTEIN: It's true against Al Gore, but I'm saying it's Reagan and welfare queens. It's Jesse Helms crumbling that up paper. You can't disagree. I mean, in the way that frankly Donald Trump has race baited --
INGRAHAM: Well, first of all, Barack Obama at the same point in his presidency was at 46 percent so he wasn't above 50. Look, this has been a wild ride for a year. All I'm saying is when it comes to the economy, when it comes to these trade agreements, life seems to be getting better for middle America. Wages are slightly ticking up. Fewer people unemployed. That's good stuff.
Now, it doesn't mean that everything is perfect and there aren't big disagreements. I think that D.C.C. polling that came out this week. Dan, you can comment on this. That showed that in swing districts especially, Democrats really would be well-served to at least appear to be trying to work with the president on some of these issues.
And I think when you see the comments by Greenberg Quillen Research, they say look, in these swing districts, they must be willing to express hope and desire to work with this president when his agenda might help in the district. Trade comes to mind and some of this deregulatory moves come to mind that free up American manufacturing and spur business growth.
DAN BONGINO, NRA TV CONTRIBUTOR: Yes. Laura, I agree, but that's going to be very difficult. The moderate Democrat who has to engage in primary fight. Remember, Laura, the Connor-Lamb race in Pennsylvania, recently. There was no primary. Democrat primary voters have increasingly moved to the radical far left.
It's not going to be easy, even in a swinging type district to win a primary anymore. Let me just double down on your opening. I think it was darn spot on. The Democrats are out of ideas in the legislative and policy realm and they've moved seamlessly into the culture fight.
I mean, Laura, what are they going to run on? Let's raise your taxes. The government should have a bigger role in your health care. By the way, give us your kids in public schools and let's forget school choice. They can't put that on a campaign sign.
So, what do they do? They run on everyone else is a racist. So, vote against Republicans but don't vote for us. They have nothing. That's a good point.
GOODSTEIN: Yes, so, to answer that I think what Democrats will run on in 2018, but especially in 2020 is what George W. Bush ran on, I want to restore honor and dignity to the White House.
INGRAHAM: Democrats are going to run on that?
GOODSTEIN: You and everybody else in your audience doesn't want their kids to emulate the conduct, bullying, and womanizing of Donald Trump. They don't. They may actually think this economy helps them, but they don't want -- they shutter at the thought that this is a man who is in charge because he seems erratic let alone somebody who is not kind of more to the values that they actually want to think that their president holds.
INGRAHAM: Dan, look, the Democrats are now all about how consensual sexual relations between two adults and now it's fair game. I thought it was all about free love and whatever works for you. We have moved a long way. They are kind of moving toward the more traditional, I guess, on sexual morass, maybe we should welcome that.
BONGINO: I always appreciate Richard's commentary. I mean that. He fires me up like no one else. I'm not kidding so good luck --
INGRAHAM: By the way, I love Richard.
BONGINO: He is a great guest. He really fires me up. Unfortunately, what he said was more of a comedy act rather than an actual commentary. The Democrat Party is going to bring honesty and integrity? Richard, please --
GOODSTEIN: Honor and dignity, George W. Bush.
BONGINO: This was the party of Barack Obama using the IRS. If you like your plan can you keep your plan of relations in the oval office. We can't even talk about with my kids because they are under age. Come on, Richard, please, give us a break about the honesty and integrity line. I'm a Christian conservative. I'm a singer, too. I get it.
INGRAHAM: Everybody is.
BONGINO: But that is absolutely ridiculous that the Democrats are the party of honesty and integrity, come on.
INGRAHAM: We all have our issues. Each party has problems on that score. We have seen that, but I just think the economy really in the end is what people are voting for, 56 percent, again to the DCC Research 56 percent of Americans in these districts are saying that they are confident about their economic future.
I'm just happy that that's actually the way people feel because it was a rough ride for a long time for so many Americans. We still have a long way to go. I want to play a sound bite for both of you from Al Sharpton. This is, of course, in the wake of yet another big controversy involving police use of force against unarmed black man. Let's watch.
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AL SHARPTON, CIVIL RIGHTS ACTIVIST: This president has not uttered one word, not tweeted one time other than to tell police to be rough when they're arresting people.
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INGRAHAM: Stephon Clarke shot a week or so ago. This is boiling into a new controversy. We have had protests for the most part haven't been violent, thank goodness. But nevertheless, he said this is not a local issue of law enforcement. This is a national issue.
He made a point of saying that I believe that was at the funeral as well of Stephon Clarke. Richard, let go to you on this, the racial issue in the country, I think it's actually at least on the economic level should be getting better and it's slowly getting better.
Republicans are arguing, at least Trump is arguing we want to make sure we have more jobs for people who need them, black, white, Latino, entering the workforce for the first time. Slowing down the number of illegal immigrants who come in and take a lot of those jobs, traditionally entry level jobs.
I think they haven't done a great job of selling that, but I think they should and I think Donald Trump should go into those areas, as uncomfortable as it might be, and actually preach the good news of his economic reform.
GOODSTEIN: Two things, first, remember Donald Trump said to the black community what do you have to lose? Answer, healthcare, voting rights, Medicare, social security. I'm just saying that there are actually -- we now see after a year and a quarter that there are things that the black community did lose.
INGRAHAM: How are they losing voting rights?
GOODSTEIN: Well, it seems to me that if you look what the Justice Department is doing and not doing they are not standing actually up for the voting rights of the black community in districts and states around the country.
INGRAHAM: I just don't understand what examples do you have of that?
GOODSTEIN: Well, let me just say one other thing about Donald Trump. The problem is his bonafides when it comes to race relations are frankly between what he said about the Central Park Five, what he said about good people on both sides at Charlottesville. He just has no standing. I agree with you. The only way he is going to restore it is to go into those communities.
INGRAHAM: He should do that.
GOODSTEIN: Say something meaningful as opposed to just something that's trite and frankly --
INGRAHAM: Well, Dan, close it out.
BONGINO: Richard, Donald Trump was celebrated by people in the civil rights community before he ran as a Republican. Richard, how do you square this circle that black unemployment is down dramatically under the Trump presidency. The black middle class expanded by a third under Ronald Reagan.
And they are stopping black people from voting? Did you just make that up? And please don't tell me because it would be entirely racist to suggest that because you are black you don't know how to get an identification card. That would be entirely absurd for you to suggest that I hope that's not what you are saying, right?
INGRAHAM: Do you want to make --
GOODSTEIN: What I'm saying is that every line in the economy is on a straight line starting with the pits that Barack Obama inherited to the great kind of record that he developed. So, all Donald Trump has to do is step out of the way.
BONGINO: Blaming Bush now.
GOODSTEIN: That accounts for why his numbers are as strong as they are.
INGRAHAM: He's clearly the manufacturing rebirth that is happening. All the announcements from Apple on down of companies bringing back wealth to the United States, I don't think there is a strong argument that that would have were it not for the tax cut that he helped push through and all these other reforms.
We will see how this goes. The Republicans have a long way to go in selling the message of free market capitalism and, you know, individual initiatives that's rewarded into all communities, especially minority communities. They have a heavy lift, but great segment, guys. Dan and Richard, thanks so much.
The Democrats as I said seem to have no interest in working with President Trump on cultural issues or anything for that matter. Is that good politics? Not according to a poll I mentioned just a short while ago. This new private poll conducted for the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee as reported by "Axios."
They found that Democrats running in these swing districts, quote, "must express a willingness to work with the president," as I said. Well, joining me now for reaction is Shelby Steel, a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution. Dr. Steel, great to see you. How are you?
SHELBY STEELE, SENIOR FELLOW, HOOVER INSTITUTE: I'm good. I'm good. Good to be here.
INGRAHAM: Does that surprise you that there seems to be an unwillingness on the part of Democrats even on issues where the president has moved, let's say on -- moving on that issue of the DACA kids from 800,000 kids who would have gotten amnesty, Dr. Steele, to 1.8 million who would have received amnesty under the Trump proposal. The Democrats in the end as I predicted said not going to do it.
STEELE: That's right. That's right. There is the source of their power and on the American left. I think has a lot to do with supporting policies that win them a kind of innocence in the culture that put them on the side of the good, show them to be redeeming, racist, sexist, so forth past.
So, that is what they are looking for in bills like this and in much of what they pursue today because the other side of that is that America has morally grown in the last 50 years. It is not the racist society that I grew up in, for example.
Today, it is -- you can say that the oppression of minorities is over with. It's simply systemic part of our lives. We can do what we want. Well, this pretty much pulls the rug out from under liberalism. They have no other mandate than to rectify history and rectify the past. So, they are a bit exhausted at this point. They don't know what to do next.
INGRAHAM: Stephon Clarke funeral that I mentioned just a few minutes ago, Al Sharpton flies in. He gets up and speaks at the funeral. People are very impassioned. He said I flew here 3,000 miles only for this family and to keep this going. We have a sound bite. Let's watch.
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SHARPTON: White House Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders to say this is a local issue is the main reason that many of us said no matter what, we will be here. This is not a local issue. It's a national problem.
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INGRAHAM: It's a national problem. Now, we will see what the facts of this case ultimately show. But whether it was Trayvon Martin or Michael Brown or Freddie Gray, each horrible incident ended up becoming a racial flash point regardless of what the ultimate facts determined, Dr. Steele.
STEELE: Well, the flash point, if we're going to have a flash point, should be Mr. Sharpton should fly to Chicago where in 2016, 762 young black largely boys shot by other black boys committed that many murders in one year where was Reverend Sharpton then.
Again, liberalism goes after examples of victimization. What's amazing about Mr. Sharpton, he has a passion for black victimization. He loves it. He celebrates it. He won't let anybody escape it because victimization is his only source of power. He has nothing else to offer. Nothing to say about the economy, immigration, whatever.
Nor do most people on the left have much to say about those issues, but they can sure call people racist, take positions that give them this sort of aura of innocence from the Americans. I'm not a racist. I'm an innocent, good-hearted American.
We're going to go and have diversity and inclusion and so forth while they actually ignore the real problems. If you have got 762 boys being shot on the south side of Chicago in one year that suggesting a profound, almost unheard of level of human pathology particularly in the western world.
Well, what -- we will believe them again when they begin to have something meaningful to say about that circumstance.
INGRAHAM: Dr. Steele, we have talked about this before on radio and you are so insightful on what happened to the actual debate. I mean, I saw this going all the way back to college where there is an attempt to shut down debate.
Someone actually raises a point about, you know, what happens when our fighting forces become social experimentation places. Then you are anti-trans or anti-this or anti-that instead of having a conversation, what works best for the military or what works best for borders. You are anti-immigrant.
So, the left does not want a discussion. They want to impose their will on others and if you do not bow down to them. They want to try to demonize you or, you know, isolate the (inaudible) tactics that are so patently obvious at this point.
STEELE: That's absolutely right. They really want to shame you and that's really what they are about. Again, they have no other raise on Detra other than the sort of again identification with innocence and moral superiority and so forth.
One thing that liberalism hates the most, which conservatism, by the way, tends to represent is pragmatism. Nuts and bolts of it, how do we fix a problem like the family breakdown we see across the black America today?
What do we do there pragmatically down on the ground that can actually move us into the modern world? Now that as blacks we enjoy this level of freedom. What's going to take us -- help us meet that challenge? Nothing to say. They want to take us back to the old world.
He wants to fly to Sacramento. Stand before the cough continue of another black kid and basically identify that event with slavery and segregation and so forth and show themselves to be humanely concerned with all of this. He never appears in Chicago or Baltimore or St. Louis or Detroit, any of those cities.
INGRAHAM: Doctor, it's a heart-breaker but it is utterly predictable and to a lot of people it's utterly depressing. But your insights are amazing. I could do a whole hour with you. Thank you so much for coming on tonight. We really, really appreciate it.
And by the way, also something that's been stunning is Roseanne's runaway success. Could it already be triggering a conservative renaissance in the entertainment industry? Well, details coming up.
Plus, did the pope really say hell didn't exist? Stay tuned.
INGRAHAM: Welcome back. Over 18 million people watched that debut of the Roseanne reboot on Tuesday night. Staggeringly high number in this era of cable television and smart phones. According to a report in the New York Times, the idea to relaunch the show came from a brainstorming session at ABC.
This happened the day after President Trump's victory over Hillary Clinton. It took a presidential election for the suits at ABC to realize that regular Americans had different values than the far-left people who live on the coast. Wow.
Joining me for reaction is Cathy Areu, who is the publisher of Catalina magazine and here with me in the studio is Mollie Hemingway, senior editor of The Federalist. I love this story. I love it so much. Catherine, I want to start with you.
INGRAHAM: The New York Times writes this piece and says the meeting that took place on the morning of Mr. Trump's surprise victory led New York to reconsider strategies and had in place means of revised strategies centering on struggling midwestern family a show to appeal to the voters who had helped put Mr. Trump in the White House.
Is Ben Sherwood still the head of ABC Entertainment? He is a smart guy. I know Ben. If he had anything to do with it doesn't surprise me. It is amazing. Like these people have always existed. They have always been there we have a coast and America in between. I'm sorry that's Tom Wolf's line. Why did it take them so long to figure this out?
CATHY AREU, PUBLISHER OF CATALINA MAGAZINE: I think the election maybe inspired them. I would hope they were going to have this meeting anyway. They were number four when it came to the network channels in ratings. ABC had not had a hit for a while. "Modern Family" had not been working. Other shows had not been working. I wouldn't say that "Roseanne" is the brand new answer because they are hitting on Middle America. Middle America loves "Empire."
Empire is Fox's big hit ratings buster. "Walking Dead" huge hit. That's about zombies. I don't think that's about Middle America. I wouldn't say that exactly that "Roseanne" is a reflection of what Americans are looking for because it's them.
INGRAHAM: Cathy, 18 million people tuned in.
AREU: Exactly. Big bang theory gone bad.
INGRAHAM: "Big Bang Theory" launched how many years ago. "Big Bang Theory" a liberal favorite and funny show I watch it every now and then. It's on every channel all the time.
INGRAHAM: Mollie, it's not like it's a conservative show. Just treats people who are conservative like they are real people have a sense of humor, like "Duck Dynasty" in the beginning. They were really popular.
MOLLIE HEMINGWAY, FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR: What an audience.
INGRAHAM: It's massive.
HEMINGWAY: Reflective of what happens when you make good art. This is such a small thing for a really large population of people. There isn't one kind of Trump voter. Yes, the people on "Roseanne" might represent one type of Trump voter. There are tons of different type of Trump voters. They are so unrepresented in our art and it's bizarre. This is a group that's large enough to elect a president and, yet, media treat them as if they don't exist or cartoon characters of evil.
INGRAHAM: Speaking of which Donny Deutsch on morning joe had this little snarky comment about the Roseanne deal. Let's watch.
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DONNY DEUTSCH, MNSBC CONTRIBUTOR: Isn't a big part of this news is the demo that watches appointment television that means when it's actually on the air when ratings count are the more red state, lower income, lower education, and, yes, when you put that on broadcast television, L-3 television, those numbers are always going to be higher.
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AREU: I don't know. I don't always agree with Donny Deutsch. I think Middle America loves the "Walking Dead" and those were zombies. I think right now maybe "Roseanne," yes, did come out with 18 million viewers. At the same time, there is a sister there who is anti-Trump supporter.
INGRAHAM: That's the point.
AREU: That's what's beautiful. This is what is happening in America. I think the coast and Middle America, everyone can relate to Roseanne right now because we all have Trump supporters and non-Trump supporters in our lives and this show is teaching us how to live with that we haven't seen this on TV right now. Brand new Archie Bunker and it was about time. I think all of us can relate to this show no matter what coast or middle states we are living in.
INGRAHAM: Good point. I have family members who love Trump. Family members who can't stand him. It is amazing that sometimes in families they can't even speak to each other. Like, you guys are family. This is family. Family should transcend politics. What are you talking about?
HEMINGWAY: I think it shows so many people in Hollywood think they are being brave when they go up among their piers that have the same views and talk about how they have the same views. So much better when people do art grappling with members in the family.
INGRAHAM: That's real diversity.
HEMINGWAY: That's much better than what we see usually from Hollywood which is preachy.
AREU: I think the beauty of the show is that it's so beautifully done and it's appealing to all of us.
INGRAHAM: They love each other.
AREU: They love each other, but they don't agree with each other and it is, yes, led by a Trump supporter. There is also the other representation. I think we are all learning from this show. Hopefully, the ratings can stay up because she is doing a favor to all of us right now.
INGRAHAM: Do you guys think this will be replicated. Everyone thought after "The Passion of the Christ" that everyone would see all these more religious films that were really well done. I'm not sure. I think most of these folks in Hollywood, they put profits second and ideology first.
You have an opportunity to have struck gold with this audience for decades and yet, they have not done it because they are ideologically incapable of seeing past their own, you know, the hanged in front of their face.
HEMINGWAY: Yes. Every few years you get a lesson like this where people really do have, you know, overwhelming numbers of people coming out to see things that are different than the traditional values done by Hollywood. And, yet, they care.
INGRAHAM: "American Sniper."
HEMINGWAY: They care so much about their liberal ideology.
INGRAHAM: A little embarrassing for some of these executives, Cathy, if they put on a show that a lot of these traditional folks like there is a strain of intolerance in that narrative. We would see more of it because we have half the country doesn't agree with the prevailing wisdom in Hollywood and that half of the country is not served. Cathy, can you wind it up for us?
AREU: In Hollywood they do say everyone first wants to be second. Now that they see there is a winning formula. They will return to try to replicate it and I don't know if they can do it. Roseanne has done it beautifully.
INGRAHAM: All right, guys. People of faith by the way speaking up, standing with President Trump amid the Stormy Daniels controversy. We will tell you why.
This Holy Week, did the pope really say that hell does not exist? Our Friday follies segment with Raymond Arroyo, next.
MARIANNE RAFFERTY, FOX NEWS CORRESPONDENT: Live from America's news headquarters, I'm Marianne Rafferty.
California governor Jerry Brown pardoned five immigrants with criminal records facing deportations. The pardons could be critical to helping them avoid deportation. Two of those pardoned fled Cambodia's Khmer Rouge regime 40 years ago. The governor's decision comes as the state battles with the White House over immigration policies. The Justice Department is suing the state over three laws that protect undocumented immigrants living in the state.
And former attorney general Eric Holder is mulling a run for president in 2020. Holder said during an interview on Viceland that he'll make a decision by early next year. He may join what's shaping up to be a crowded field of Democrats pursuing the job. Holder was the nation's first African-American attorney general serving in the Obama administration.
I'm Marianne Rafferty. Now back to THE INGRAHAM ANGLE.
INGRAHAM: Welcome back. Let's get right into it with our Friday folly segment tonight. Three hot topics. Evangelicals are sticking by President Trump no matter how stormy things get. And did the Pope really say Hell doesn't exist? And Walmart pulls a magazine from its racks and the media freak out.
Joining me now with analysis is Fox News contributor Raymond Arroyo, the "Will Wilder" series, et cetera. Raymond, this is wild. Evangelicals still supporting Donald Trump. We have been hit with nonstop Stormy Daniels and other people coverage.
RAYMOND ARROYO, FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR: Other alleged relationships, and it seems the evangelicals who were such a big part of the Trump fan base and supporters, eight to 10 they are supporting him and giving him job approval numbers at that level. Eight out of 10 evangelicals still support him. That's incredible in the face of what they have been seeing.
INGRAHAM: So the left thought that they would push the sex narrative, Donald Trump.
ARROYO The networks are doing it around the clock.
INGRAHAM: And it is nonstop. And they thought that would crack him. That would crack him, crack his support. It reminds me of the Billy Bush tape, when that came out. They thought that was it. We've stuck a fork in him. He's done. Again, they don't want to debate Trump on the issues. They do not want to talk issues. They want to demonize and isolate him and destroy him. That's the left's tactic.
ARROYO: Look at this piece of video. This is CNN. They convened a group of evangelical women and they thought, well, we will rattle them. We will play some Stormy Daniels for them. This is what happened.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Why would she come out and give this interview if she wasn't telling the truth?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Money.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Money.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And more money.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Do any -- based on this interview, do any of you believe that Stormy Daniels did have sex with Trump?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I don't believe it because I haven't seen any hard proof.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Do we believe the president of the United States --
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I'd pick him over her.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: -- or a stripper porn star. I go with the president of the United States.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This is a porn star. Why are we giving it any credibility?
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INGRAHAM: So why are they sticking by him?
ARROYO: They are sticking by him because, remember during the campaign, I went out and was at polling places. I encountered a number of evangelicals and Catholics and I said why in the light of the Billy Bush thing are you voting for this man? They said --
INGRAHAM: Oh, that's right.
ARROYO: And they said we believe he is check not only on our government that has gone a way we didn't like it to go, but on our churches that have also gotten very political. They are talking about environmental issues and climate change and we don't agree with that, they said. They see the president as a check in all those areas. And look at the agenda and the record. He has installed the Mexico City policy which keeps us from funding abortions abroad. He's changed and dropped the ObamaCare regulations.
INGRAHAM: Funding Planned Parenthood though.
ARROYO: Well, Planned Parenthood.
INGRAHAM: That's a big mistake.
ARROYO: He still has to stop the funding of Planned Parenthood which he promised, and conscience protections which he promised to put into the law. People are still waiting on that. But they are willing to give him the benefit of the doubt also. For a man not particularly religious, he speaks and talks about God with regulator. Evangelicals like that.
INGRAHAM: I still remember the lighting of the Christmas tree. I haven't heard Jesus mentioned that much. That was unbelievable.
ARROYO: It was a very heartfelt.
INGRAHAM: It was extremely religious. We are used to saying happy, seasons' greetings.
ARROYO: Here comes Santa Claus. It was all about the baby in the manger.
INGRAHAM: Speaking or religion, the Pope sent everyone over the edge through this interview he did with 93-year-old --
ARROYO: Eugenio Scalfari.
INGRAHAM: Scalfari, the atheist.
ARROYO: The founder of an Italian newspaper "La Republica," 93 years old. He has interviewed the Pope five times.
INGRAHAM: Why is the Pope going to do interviews? He thinks he is going to convert him?
ARROYO: He thinks he might convert him, and they're friendly. They see the world politically I think in the same way. But look, Scalfari claimed the Pope said Hell does not exist. We will put it up on your screen. What exists is the disappearance of sinful souls. I won't go further because we are running out of time.
INGRAHAM: There it is. Can you read the whole thing?
ARROYO: There it is. Hell does not exist. What exists is the disappearance of sinful souls. They are not punished. Those who repent obtain the forgiveness of God and go among the ranks of the souls who contemplate him. And that's it. Those who do not repent therefore cannot be forgiven. They disappear. Now, as can you imagine, all of Christendom was up in arms when this headline hit, Pope says Hell does not exist.
INGRAHAM: Why are we doing that Good Friday thing?
ARROYO: This is the second time Scalfari has said the Pope claims Hell does not exist.
INGRAHAM: Isn't the whole point of the resurrection because you want to avoid going to Hell?
ARROYO: Right, Jesus died for sins and to keep people from going to hell. The Vatican quickly issued a retraction, but listen to the retraction. This has caused also agita among some people listening. They said, the article is the result of his reconstruction, Scalfari, in which the exact words spoken by the Pope are not quoted. No quotation marks in the above article should therefore be considered as a faithful transcription of the Holy Father's words. Now, that's a non-denial denial. I mean, so people are still wondering, what does that mean?
INGRAHAM: We need an interpretation of the interpretation.
ARROYO: Well, the language wasn't exactly what he said. But the question is substantively did Scalfari capture what the Pope meant. I doubt it because the man has spoken about Satan and the lures of the devil for a long time. But they should come out and decry this and clearly say the Pope believes in Hell and this is a big misfire.
INGRAHAM: Well, now Walmart is removing Cosmo, we don't have time to talk about it. They are removing Cosmo.
ARROYO: What's the big deal? They don't want little girls seeing sex and how to please your man.
ARROYO: There we are, happy Good Friday.
INGRAHAM: Happy good Friday. By the way, the P.C. mob sets its sights on monuments. Now Thomas Jefferson, he is next when "The Ingraham Angle" returns.
INGRAHAM: Welcome back to this special edition of "The Ingraham Angle." One of the most divisive issues in America today is the forced removal of historic statues. While some want to preserve our nation's history, others say these figures are not worthy of remembrance given their support of slavery or the confederacy.
Case in point, a group of student at Hofstra University on Long Island want Thomas Jefferson, his statue outside the student center, removed because our nation's third president owned slaves. And last year the city of New Orleans removed several Confederate statues.
Here is what New Orleans Democrat mayor Mitch Landrieu had to say about this issue earlier today.
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GOV. MITCH LANDRIEU, D-NEW ORLEANS: You can't change history by taking a statue down. You are just moving it to another place. These particular monuments occupy prominent places and reflect only four years of New Orleans' 300 years history, crowding out all of the other history.
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INGRAHAM: Joining me now for reaction is FOX News correspondent at large Geraldo Rivera, author of "The Geraldo Show, A Memoir," and with me here on set is Fox News political analyst Gianno Caldwell. Geraldo, let's start with you on this. Mitch Landrieu has had a number of statues removed in the dark of night, and these are statues that have been there for a long time, worth multimillion dollars, and we don't even know I guess where most of them are. P.T. Beauregard, other statues, don't know where they are. They're just gone. What's your take on this? Is this the right way to handle these historical monuments?
GERALDO RIVERA, FOX NEWS CORRESPONDENT AT LARGE: Putting aside what's happening in New Orleans, and I really do like Mayor Landrieu. I think that he is a very thoughtful man. I think his family has real roots, real cred when it comes to New Orleans and Louisiana history generally speaking.
But remember, Laura, I resigned from my fellowship at Calhoun College at Yale University a year or so ago when they changed the name, taking John C. Calhoun's name off the college and naming it for a more contemporary person.
I fear when history starts being rewritten constantly through the prism of political correctness and contemporary thought that we risk cutting ourselves off from our roots. I absolutely get that slavery, this abomination, is different than a lot of things that happened in political life. This is something like the holocaust that can't be forgiven. But I think that to try and continually rewrite history, Jefferson was a slave owner. So was George Washington. What will happen when the entire first third of our history is cut off or in some way covered up, Laura?
GIANNO CALDWELL, FOX NEWS POLITICAL ANALYST: Well, there's levels, as I see it. You have the Confederate statues. Ones of generals, and if you look at the history of the generals, most of those guys, they were military, generally speaking, and that was pretty much it. So you've got these statues in public squares of individuals who fought to really divide our country. And when you look at it from that perspective I think it gives a greater degree of understanding why statues like that should really be in museums.
Now when it comes to somebody like Thomas Jefferson, for example, he is much more than a slave owner. That was a past sin of his, but this is somebody who created, had a hand in creating the Declaration of Independence. And he said all men are created equal. In addition to that he was the president. He was a governor. He was the secretary of state. So this is an individual I think that we can celebrate, although he did have past sins. These other individuals, however, their past sins was the majority of their career from the viewpoint of having a Confederacy.
INGRAHAM: P.T. Beauregard, General Beauregard, is one of those generals who did so much after the war. He helped build schools for minority children and he did so much work to try to bring the fabric of the community together. I mean, he is a beloved person postwar. So, yes, sins of slavery, horrific. An entire lifespan, maybe not so much with everyone.
And I agree with Geraldo that painting every historical figure that was living in the south at the time and might have even fought in the war with this brush of put him away, take him away in the middle of the night, put it somewhere we don't even know, I think that does not serve us all that well.
And look, I'm not a black person. I don't know how it feels to walk by one of these statues, and maybe you are told this person hated you and didn't think you were a real person. I can't imagine that. But I do think that people who especially worked for reconstruction or forgiveness for bringing and healing the country, especially those people, I think we are on a real slippery slope if we start saying like -- look, these Hofstra students, they're serious. They were serious at Princeton about Woodrow Wilson, a great internationalist. Democrat hero. Woodrow Wilson has to go off the Wilson Center.
This is what one of the Hofstra students said on FOX News, the right to peaceful protest and assembly is at the core of our democracy. Hofstra supports our student's rights to engage in peaceful demonstrations about issues that matter to them. We look forward to continuing civil exchange of ideas on the subject. That's what their statement was to FOX News. But it looks like groups of students mobilized at Princeton University, not successfully yet, but I think it's a matter of time before Thomas Jefferson gets put in that same place as Robert E. Lee, who past American presidents including FDR hailed as one of the greatest generals we have ever had. One of the greatest Christians gentlemen we have ever had. That's FDR's commemoration of Robert E. Lee. So this is a wild territory we are in. And I don't know where it ends, guys.
CALDWELL: And I would have to disagree with that. I think it's a slippery slope if we are continuing to put these individuals, these Confederate generals, in similar categories as Thomas Jefferson. They are not in similar categories as Thomas Jefferson. You have individuals who really founded our country, Christian principles. You talk about Robert E. Lee, Democrats who lived to destroy the fabric of our very country. And yes --
INGRAHAM: He didn't own slaves. His wife did, though.
CALDWELL: African-Americans see this as a problem because you see many that celebrate this, and not put it in its proper categorization. So if you want to put it in a museum, by all means. We can't erase our history, and I understand that. Certainly not. But we shouldn't be celebrating it in public squares and allowing for people to think that there was nothing wrong with that.
INGRAHAM: Should we remain Washington, D.C.?
RIVERA: You know, Laura, just going back to --
INGRAHAM: He owned slaves not too far from here.
RIVERA: I get it.
INGRAHAM: Thousands of acres of land.
RIVERA: John C. Calhoun in the 1950s was voted one of the five greatest senators in American history by an elite Senate panel that included John F. Kennedy. So Senator Kennedy was one of those who picked John Calhoun as one of the great -- that was in the 1950s. My fear is that as contemporary mores and values and who is in and who is out change we'll continually be erasing. History will have to be written in pencil rather than in ink. And I don't think that that gets anyone anywhere.
But I will say this much. There was a time in this country at the beginning of the reaction to reconstruction, the beginning of Jim Crow where statues were erected specifically to stick it to black people, to let them know who was still boss and who was subordinate. Those statues, I think, they may have the facade is a historic monument but the real purpose is a racialist social statement rather than historic remembrance. And I think you can look at them, and it's easy to find their providence and history and determine how you feel about them based on that.
INGRAHAM: All right, guys, great segment.
And Hillary Clinton, by the way, has a brand new victim card to play. I am going to perform a tune for her on the world's tiniest violin right after this.
INGRAHAM: Welcome back to our special culture wars in the age of Trump. If a cold shiver just inexplicably ran down your spine, maybe you felt Hillary Clinton was coming. Well, she speaks out again, this time about the backlash to her constant election loss griping.
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HILLARY CLINTON, D-FORMER PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I was really struck by how people said that to me, mostly people in the press, for whatever reason like oh, you know, go away, go away. And I had one of the young people who works for me go back and do a bit of research. They never said that to any man who was not elected.
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INGRAHAM: Well, just tossing this out. Maybe it's because no male failed presidential nominee in modern history has gone on never ending speaking tour blaming almost everything imaginable for his loss. What or who does Hillary Clinton have left to scapegoat at this point?
Joining us with reaction Katie Pavlich, editor of TownHall.com, along with Antjuan Seawright, a Democratic political consultant. All right, guys, let's talk about this. Hillary Clinton has been on a book tour that never ends. It just goes on and on and on. It's like Cher's farewell tour, it just keeps going on and on and on. Her book was titled "What Happened." Antjuan, here is what happened. Hillary lost and forgot Middle America. But Hillary is now blaming sexism when Democrats say time to leave the stage, please. Your reaction to this?
ANTJURAN SEAWRIGHT, DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST: Well, my reaction is this, I think it's -- I think it's quite disgusting for the right to harp on what Hillary Clinton as a private citizen is doing in her private life. Look, she did lose the election. Actually, she lost the Electoral College because 3 million more people voted for her than President Donald Trump. She lost the Electoral College. But she is in her private life getting paid to do speeches, selling her book. And so why does the right wing want to harp on what Hillary Clinton says? I don't think Hillary Clinton gives two cents about what the right wing is doing. So leave her alone. Let her be. Hillary has served our country well, first lady, secretary of state, U.S. Senate. Let her be Hillary Clinton in her private life.
INGRAHAM: OK, as long as that's the way the left is going to treat the right. Like we can just -- as long as we just don't talk about each other.
SEAWRIGHT: Laura, Laura, Laura what I don't remember is -- I don't remember anyone harping on whether it was Joe Biden, whether it was Bachmann, whether it was any of these other people --
KATIE PAVLICH, NEWS EDITOR, TOWNHALL.COM: Hillary Clinton -- I have only covered two major presidential elections, but I also remember Al Gore losing the election. And instead of going out and talking about the reasons he lost unending, he actually found a pet project instead in global warming. Hillary Clinton could do the same. The global warming argument actually worked for Al Gore for a number of years to help his party and the left. Hillary Clinton is stuck in this idea that everything is still about her. She can't move on. She is insulting women across the board.
SEAWRIGHT: That's not true.
PAVLICH: Let me just finish my point. She is insulting women across the board. She's insulting voters in red states where Senate Democrats are vulnerable. And it's not the, quote, right wing conspiracy that you are citing that is talking about Hillary Clinton. It's Hillary Clinton talking about herself, and it's people like Senator Dick Durbin and Senator Claire McCaskill who are Democratic senators saying Hillary, you're not being helpful. It's time for you to move along.
INGRAHAM: I think the New York Times and the Washington Post has reported that unnamed Democrats, don't want to give their names, were hoping that Hillary would just enjoy retirement. But they need to move on from the Clintons. The Clintons had their run. They did the Clinton Foundation, they did all that stuff surrounding that. But they had their run and it's time to go. Now we are looking to the future for the Democrat Party, and they have Kamala Harris, they have a lot of interesting people. That's the point. It's not about sexism, Antjuan. It's about they had their time. They had their time, she made a good run of it, and it didn't work. That's all.
SEAWRIGHT: Laura, I agree with the fact that we have to move on from the 2016 election. But there are a couple points. One, people actually want to know what happened. They want to know what happened in the election. So in the future Democrats cannot perhaps make this trip up on the same thing that prevented them from winning the White House again. People want to know. I don't think there is nothing wrong with talking about what happened in the last election. Two things happen in the election, you win or you learn.
PAVLICH: Here is some advice about what happened. Don't nominate Hillary Clinton.
SEAWRIGHT: When elections happen, Laura, you win or you learn. She is talking about what she learned.
PAVLICH: She hasn't learned anything.
SEAWRIGHT: That's a great lesson for all of us. She talked about it in her book.
INGRAHAM: She said she drank chardonnay afterward because she was all bummed out. I get that, but she has used that joke 15 times. It's a joke that worked the first time she said it, and now she says I drink a lot of chardonnay. OK. Great.
PAVLICH: Its' one thing to talk about --
SEAWRIGHT: Again, if Mitt Romney --
SEAWRIGHT: Excuse me, in learning from your mistakes and helping the party move forward. But instead it's a pity party for her. In the meantime, she is damaging Democrats who are in shambles and trying to get their party back together by revamping this deplorables argument, saying that white women only vote based on what their husbands do, et cetera. Her elitist attitude is what Democrats are trying get away from and she is only pulling them back in. Which is fine for Republicans, by the way. They don't really want her to go away. She is helpful to them.
INGRAHAM: Antjuan, close it out.
SEAWRIGHT: And that's the point, the Republicans want to pivot to something to take their eyes off the most toxic president that has ever occupied the White House in Donald J. Trump with the numbers in the tank the way they are. And so they want to look to something else.
PAVLICH: At least he is in the White House.
SEAWRIGHT: And they want to use Hillary Clinton as that something else.
INGRAHAM: All right, well, his numbers are the highest they have been since last year, and they are not too far away from where Obama was in his first year in office at 46 percent. But great segment nonetheless.
Just in time, guys, for Easter. What may prove a heavenly secret weapon in college basketball's Final Four tomorrow? Stay tuned.
INGRAHAM: Before we go, this year's March Madness has been chockfull of huge upsets and drama. But it's the Cinderella run of Loyola University Chicago that may be the biggest surprise so far. The person stealing the spotlight hasn't been a player. It's been the team's chaplain and diehard supporter, 98-year-old Sister Jean Dolores Schmidt, a.k.a. Sister Jean. She's been rooting for the team for six decades, since Eisenhower was president, and has captured the hearts of fans and foes alike.
Sister Jean may be the only nun to inspire an entire sports merchandise line. Everything from t-shirts to socks and, yes, even Sister Jean bobbleheads. "USA Today" reports that sales of Sister Jean merchandise has been through the roof leading up to tomorrow night's game. I love it. The 11 seed Loyola Chicago Ramblers take on the three seed Michigan Wolverines in San Antonio. Great match up. And today at a press conference, Sister Jean provided wisdom and perspective, much needed these days, on the game that I really like.
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SISTER JEAN DOLORES SCHMIDT: We have a little slogan that we say, worship, work, and win. And so you need to do all those things. And if God always hears, but maybe he thinks it's better for us to do the L instead of the W, and we have to accept that.
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INGRAHAM: Wow. Here's hoping Sister Jean and Loyola's Cinderella run continuous.
That is all the time we have tonight on this special edition of "The Ingraham Angle." A blessed Good Friday and Passover to all of you. I'll be off next week for Easter break with my kids. But fear not, we've got a great lineup of guest hosts to fill in for me. And up next, it's Shannon Bream. Have a wonderful Easter and Passover holiday weekend, everyone. Goodnight from Washington.
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