This is a rush transcript from "The Five," March 30, 2018. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.
JESSE WATERS, CO-HOST: Hello, everybody. I'm Jesse Watters along with Kimberly Guilfoyle, Juan Williams, Dana Perino, and Greg Gutfeld. It's 5 o'clock in New York City. And this is "The Five."
It just won't go away. Almost a year and a half since losing the election, Hillary Clinton is still complaining. During a speech at Rutgers University yesterday, the failed Democratic nominee continue to gripe about getting trounced by Trump.
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HILLARY CLINTON, FORMER DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: The election was pretty traumatic.
CLINTON: Because of what had been expected to happen in the election, which obviously did not, and then a lot of angst and second guessing and finger pointing.
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WATTERS: Clinton also hit back at critics who told her to shut up by crying sexism.
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CLINTON: I was really struck by how people said that to me, you know, mostly people in the press, for whatever reason, like oh you know, go away, go away. They never said that to any man who was not elected. Al Gore didn't stop talking about climate change.
And for heaven's sake, Mitt Romney is running for the senate.
I am really committed to speaking out and doing what I can to have a voice in the debate about where our country is going.
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WATTERS: Kimberly, I know that you are sighing over there.
KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: Well, I was trying to do some meditation, some inhale and exhale thing. It didn't work because I don't know what it is. I just find her very aggravating. Because nobody likes a sore loser, man or woman, it doesn't matter. I'm just talking about a candidate. You ran, you did I guess what you thought was your best, you came up short.
But nevertheless, now she is pushing back against her own party who is frustrated --
GUILFOYLE: -- by her rhetoric and by the things that she said that has like disavowed, stepped away from her. So -- but I'm not saying that she should just go away and never like talk again. Let her do whatever she wants, but I don't know necessarily that one, it's helping her case, and two, for sure, it is not helping the Democratic Party.
WATTERS: She, like you said, points out that it's not just people in the press that are saying shut up. It's Democrats.
DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: Right. It's not just like -- it's not just here at Fox News.
PERINO: -- all the time because people would pay attention. But it was Claire McCaskill, who is the Democrat from Missouri, she is a senator -- a two-term senator. She is running for another term in a very tough race. Missouri -- President Trump won it by double digits. And so, she knows that she has to figure out a way to appeal to voters that Hillary Clinton called deplorable.
PERINO: And it was just a couple of weeks ago Hillary Clinton reminded everybody about the deplorable comment and basically doubled down on it. And she mentioned Al Gore, for example. If anyone had a reason to be a sore loser, it will be Gore.
PERINO: And he did stay in the public eye, but not about the recount. He chose an issue. And it was climate change. And we made fun of him mercilessly for it, but he wasn't basically trying to re-litigate the 2000 election. He was gracious and he moved on. And that actually helped the country to be able to move on and to unite after 9-11.
WATTERS: And from what I remember, it seemed to me he took almost a year or maybe year and a half off before reemerging with the beard and talking about the climate, and talking about the Iraq war. So he did lay low, unlike Mrs. Clinton. Greg.
GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Yes. None of her examples hold water. Mitt actually did go away. And Al Gore's pet cause was not himself.
GUTFELD: Her pet cause right now is herself. If you look at John McCain, he went back to work as well. I disagree though strongly with Kimberly. I think Hillary is an American hero. I love her. She is like the political version of Jason from Friday the 13th.
GUTFELD: She is so -- she just keeps coming back. If only she had this kind of resiliency and energy during the actual campaign, she would be President. But, you know, Juan -- Juan nailed me on this. And he's right. I don't want her to go away. I want her to keep coming. Because the more she is around, the worse it looks for the Democrats.
WATTERS: Care to respond, Juan?
JUAN WILLIAMS, CO-HOST: I think that's what is going on here today.
GUILFOYLE: Oh, it is, indeed.
WILLIAMS: Thank you, guys. You are having quite a party.
GUILFOYLE: At least, we're not having a pity party like you.
WILLIAMS: Well, no, but it's not -- you know, what it is. It's like you are trying to beat you know a so-called dead horse.
GUTFELD: Are you calling her a dead horse?
WILLIAMS: Because guess what, you know what, I hate to break it to you. But she didn't win. She is not the President.
WILLIAMS: She is out there. And it's a traumatic experience not only for Hillary Clinton, but for the entire country. But I think you love her as the boogeyman. And if it is not Hillary Clinton --
WILLIAMS: She was asked an interesting question, which by the way, did you know she only took like $25,000 for the speech? She got paid less than Snooki to go to Rutgers.
WATTERS: Oh, that hurts.
WILLIAMS: But, you know, she was asked an interesting question about what she would do about powerful forces that are affecting the Republican Party. And she said you know, the Republican Party is coming undone right now, because if you don't run for the far right, you can't be a moderate or you will be vilified.
WATTERS: The only thing I will say to that, it's hard to come undone when you have the House, the Senate, and the White House, and majority of the states --
WILLIAMS: No, it isn't.
GUILFOYLE: What do you think coming out of that?
WILLIAMS: -- about the high number. I think it's 23 Republicans in Congress are retiring, getting out. And it's the highest number since 1973. And what happened in 73, Jesse? Watergate. Richard Nixon.
WILLIAMS: So a lot of people are pushing away from the heart of the Republican Party.
WATTERS: Watergate for the Democrats, because we have an inspector general and the federal prosecutor begin looking into the FISA abuses. But that's another story for another time. Let's also listen to Hillary on Monday. Let's also listen to Hillary talk about the world under President Trump.
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CLINTON: Right now, I'm more worried about whether our Constitution is going to be honored, whether we will see the rule of law protected, whether we will have the predictability and stability that we need in foreign affairs. You know, as a former Secretary of State, I am deeply worried about the loss of leadership and leverage that the United States is currently experiencing.
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WATTERS: It's funny to hear Hillary talk about respecting the rule of law.
GUILFOYLE: Now, you're freaking me out.
WATTERS: Crooked Kimberly.
GUILFOYLE: Yeah. I won't mind. I won't mind. I will find a way to escape. So I love this, because she's like I'm concerned about the Constitution. So am I and the people that are trying to tear down the Second Amendment, doing gun grabs in this country, not even looking at the full picture and spectrum of what we need to -- in terms of making schools and other places that are soft targets safe for our children, especially whether it's a movie theater, whether it's (Inaudible), et cetera.
So, besides that -- also, she is concerned about the rule of law. So am I. Why is there lawlessness going on in California and sanctuary cities, total disregard for federal law? I guess they still want the money, but they're not in compliance. They want to make their own laws instead of following those that are on the books.
So, it's interesting because President Trump is the one who is actually showing that he is looking out for the Constitution to support it and is making sure the federal law is enforced. And as it relates to foreign policy, so sorry, Hillary, we're way better off than when you and President Obama were in charge. But it is now, we don't feckless foreign policy, we have effective foreign policy. Take a look at Russia, take a look at North Korea. Things are getting cleaned up, no thanks to the mess you all made.
WATTERS: Wow. Greg.
GUTFELD: I agree with the lady over there. Kimberly brings up a very good point about the Second Amendment. If President Trump said that he was concerned about how does the party in power get its voters juiced up to get off the sofa? He may not have to as long as the left and the media, John Paul Jones hand a legitimate lifeline and Juan mentioned this before, this legitimate lifeline being we are taking away your guns.
I don't think Donald Trump has to work too hard to get people off the sofa, because that is the issue I think for Republicans that people could get people like, you are not taking away my guns.
GUTFELD: When you listen to her talk about you know the accusation of sexism, it is time for a heroic Democrat to rise from the ashes and lead some kind of identity reformation in which disparities are looked at logically and not emotionally. And we -- the party offers a healthy perspective and not a divisive one. And I think that's going to -- I really do think that that's going to happen in 2020, that they're going to abandon this. And there's going to be somebody there that gets it. I kind of know who it is. But I won't say.
WILLIAMS: You know, this is interesting on the gun thing that you're talking about. Because here, you have a situation where the former Supreme Court Justice Stevens says you know I think you should repeal the Second Amendment. So the right-wing Justice --
WILLIAMS: So, oh, oh, look, they're trying to take away our guns. Because it's easy button to push for the right to activate their base.
WILLIAMS: But in actuality, those wonderful young people who are out there, making their marks, have never said that.
WATTERS: But now, suddenly, that's not the debate. That's not the debate.
GUTFELD: But, Juan, if the mirror image would be if a person said when I am elected, we're going to repeal Rogi Wieg (ph).
GUTFELD: OK, that's the button pusher for the Democrats. That's -- so it's the exact mirror --
WILLIAMS: She did not say that?
GUTFELD: No, she didn't. But there are people in the march -- by the way, the majority of the people in the march are adults. And a lot of them weren't talking about repealing it.
WILLIAMS: In other words, you are looking at someone who does not like the easy availability of guns in society. But let's not put my opinion on what the young people did. They wrote it up.
PERINO: But actually, what you're describing is exactly what somebody like Claire McCaskill is saying, which is that Hillary Clinton doesn't speak for me. And what they're saying they're not asking her to shut up forever. They are just saying that we want to keep the seats we have.
WILLIAMS: Right. In certain places like you know --
PERINO: Like Missouri. But the thing is you can't give a speech now without it being an international --
WILLIAMS: -- in Ohio, said much the same thing. One last point on this, which is she was talking about sexism. And I was reminded, as I was reading her speech, when she talked about how Republicans, she is so shrill. She's so shrill. I can't stand her voice. I remember that. And I thought, I remember that. It's awful. And you know what, you say, but we need Hillary on the right because we need someone to demonize so that Donald Trump looks someone like normal. But, guess what, it doesn't matter if any other woman had been that candidate. They would have been vilified, too, Pocahontas, Pelosi. Look for that.
GUTFELD: But, Juan, there was twice of many men that were vilified by Trump and they were white, they were black, they were women.
WATTERS: Little Marco. But we got to run, Juan.
Coming up, Russian tensions take a satanic turn with Putin's latest new test. Details next.
GUILFOYLE: Thank you, Greg. Disturbing new developments from Russia where the military there is testing a new kind of intercontinental missile, one that Vladimir Putin bragged to nuke any target on earth. The so-called Satan 2 missile was test launched for the second time today. And this comes after President Trump reportedly told Putin last week, after the Russian president's reelection, if you want to have an arms race, we can do that, but I will win. OK. So, Greg --
GUILFOYLE: This is obviously abominate. People are concerned about it, because they're saying, wait a second, are we going steady pace straight into an arms race with Russia? President Trump is not one to back down ever. But nevertheless, neither is the former head of the KGB.
GUTFELD: This is very old school. It reminds me of the time when Zed Leplin was on FM and there was only Clearasil. You know, it's like I can -- I can deal with this kind of threat, the 80s, 70s before Proactive. You remember that.
All right. I can accept this kind of this adversarial relationship because mutually assured destruction doesn't work on terrorists. It doesn't work on religious zealots whose murders take over precedents everything else (ph). At least, you know, with Russia, they don't want to die. That's why everybody has missiles. How could you not love the name Satan 2?
I am married to a Russian. There is no subtlety here. Americans have a plane, Americans will have a military plane. They will call it the Eagle or the Thunderbolt. The Russian go make it scary. Call it Satan 2, that will scare them.
But one serious point about this, the reason why we will always win these races is because in part of immigration. We attract the best and the brightest. The reason why -- one of the reasons why Germany lost in World War II and we won was because of Jewish scientists.
GUILFOYLE: They fled Germany and they brought really valuable information to America that helped us create the bomb. So the best tools come from the best and brightest, and they often come from somewhere else.
GUILFOYLE: I like it. Satan 2. We will have a little naming contest for our most scary missiles ever. Dana.
PERINO: I think that we continue to fail to remember in what bad shape Russia is in from an economic standpoint. They really are on their last leg. Health-wise, the average age of living -- there is another phrase for that.
GUILFOYLE: Life expectancy.
PERINO: Life expectancy, thank you. It actually does not get better over the years, despite all of the advances that we have. We can beat them on all sorts of things. And the meddling they did in our election, they are doing in all sorts of other places as well. The alliance that the U.K. incident helped re-invigorate is very important at this time, so I am much more comfortable knowing that the President thinks we would win an arms race.
GUILFOYLE: I like it. We will call our missile, Perino.
PERINO: That's really scary.
GUILFOYLE: So put him in the deep freeze.
GUTFELD: Jasper 2000.
WATTERS: We can spell the missile Trump, that would scare them.
PERINO: There you go.
GUILFOYLE: Excellent branding idea.
GUILFOYLE: It's going to be big, it's going to be beautiful. It's going to have Trump written in gold on it. Yes.
WILLIAMS: Let's have a parade.
GUILFOYLE: Yes. Yes.
WATTERS: Listen, we have smaller intercontinental ballistic missiles. We don't need this kind of 80s style arms race. We have you know missiles that come off our submarines that are smaller and can put I think about 8 warheads instead of their 15 warheads, because we have a policy of deterrence. And it's mutually assured destruction.
As you said, this is not the 80s anymore. These types of threats, we're not totally concerned with. This is kind of like a macho move by Putin because like Dana said, their economy is not doing well, because the oil prices have gone far down. And they are heavily relying on oil and we have really ramped up our natural gas and oil production here.
WATTERS: And that is really putting a squeeze on their economy. He just got reelected, we just tested a missile, the Trident 2 off of one of our nuclear submarines. This is a response to that. And if we're going to have an arms race, we will win it. They can't afford it. So I am not worried about it.
GUILFOYLE: There you go. Maybe time for Putin to take his shirt off again and ride a horse. Coming to a screen near you. Dana, you have a quick follow-up on that.
PERINO: I just want to say that the arms race that we really need to have is not actually with missiles. It's with cyber-security.
GUILFOYLE: We're going to win that, too. Juan.
WILLIAMS: Yeah, you know, Ronald Reagan called it the Peace Keeper as opposed to the Satan 2. And people still got the message. But anyway -
WILLIAMS: What concerns me at this moment is we have a shift from HR McMaster to John Bolton at a critical moment in terms of our foreign affairs and what is going on in Syria. We lost a service man today in Syria.
WILLIAMS: In fact, two people were killed. One I guess was part of the anti-Assad forces. But we have lots of people there. And this week, guess what, President Trump says, just kind of out of the blue, kind of a shock to everybody in the Pentagon and State Department, we are leaving. We will be out of there soon. This is the guy who said oh, we shouldn't telegraph our military moves. But the reason that it concerns me in the context of this discussion about Putin and Satan 2, is because if we're gone, guess who steps in, Iran and Russia. And that to me is feeding the world stage --
WATTERS: You were not concerned about that when Obama pulled out of Iraq?
WILLIAMS: Of course I was.
WILLIAMS: Let me just tell you something. Not only are the American people concerned and what you hear from the Pentagon right now is that the will to fight in Syria -- again, this comes back to your point about Obama and the will for the American at that time was you know what, we have been over there for so long, not much has accomplished. (Inaudible) weapons of mass destruction. In this case, what you hear for military leaders, is that we think will to fight in Syria, again, as people are saying, you know-- and Trump said it on the stump in Richfield, this week, he said it's time for us to come home. What does that say?
WATTERS: Let's just not cross any redlines.
All right. Directly ahead, will Hollywood liberals like Sean Penn take a cue from Roseanne's success. Probably not. Details next.
WILLIAMS: We all saw the success of Roseanne this week. It featured a conservative voice in primetime entertainment. But will the rest of Hollywood follow suit? Probably not. For example, Sean Penn has written a new book. It trashes the #MeToo movement, it fantasizes about assassinating President Trump. The actor now under fire after his bizarre interview this week. Take a look
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I wish you move on. Please don't smoke anymore. You know, we want you to be around for a long time. This is bad for you.
SEAN PENN, ACTOR: This is job security for oncologists.
I think it's important to keep up the culture. So I am not ashamed to be here with talented people and with you all in talking about this stuff. If I were a news anchor, I think that rather than reporting, I would pull a fire alarm.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yeah, yeah.
PENN: Every night.
I could say that the respect and the aspiration that we modeled is no longer on our country. And in this case, the job includes by any historical parallel, the impeachment of this president.
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WILLIAMS: Wow. So you should know that politics aside, critics on both sides slamming Penn's novel, even calling it -- and here is a quote, stupid. So, Kimberly, what do you make of this? You know, by the way, on Colbert, he said he was on Ambien and then he was smoking. And of course, in New York City, you can't be smoking. But Colbert couldn't stop him. So, do you think he is like out of control, what do you make of this?
GUILFOYLE: So, yeah, I have known him for a long time. I haven't seen him in a while, you know.
PERINO: He is looking good.
GUILFOYLE: Not looking good. I think that he is having obviously some substance abuse problems.
GUTFELD: Don't put it on substance abuse.
GUILFOYLE: No, no, no. He always had political viewpoints. However, I am seeing a slide here. He is like decompensating, that's not normally how he behaves even under regular circumstances, though. He is not doing well. Let's put it that way.
WILLIAMS: My favorite part of the book, he talks about Trump's love of blonde women and says that he believes that yellow lives matter.
WATTERS: That's a good line.
WILLIAMS: That's a good one.
WATTERS: I have come around on Sean. I think he is entertaining. I've watched his interviews on late night usually. And I'm mesmerized by them. He's captivating.
GUILFOYLE: Oh, you're trying to book him, aren't you?
WATTERS: There is a slot Saturday Night at 8 o'clock. I like how cocky he is. He is old enough now where he doesn't care anymore. I don't respect his opinions when it comes obviously the Me Too movement and assassinating the president.
With that said, he is doing his own thing. He's writing, he doesn't have to deal with other people. He says he doesn't like to act in movies because he is not good at collaborating, because he hates everybody else.
GUILFOYLE: That's funny.
WATTERS: That's kind of funny. And let him ride. If he's getting criticism from these pencil-neck people at the Washington Post, that's fine. I think that's a badge of honor.
GUILFOYLE: Wait, wait, wait. The Guardian was also --
WATTERS: He's been unbearable. But now, I think -- I'm warming up to him.
WILLIAMS: I don't want you to damage your brain. Kimberly says you are saying these things just to book him.
WATTERS: My brain is fine.
WILLIAMS: Dana, one of the things he says is he wants to have a duel with the President in this book. The book is called "Bob Honey Who Just Do Stuff".
PERINO: It would be really fun if Ronny Jackson, the president's personal doctor, now nominated to be Veterans Affairs secretary, could give a physical to Sean Penn and compare it to President Trump's results and see what we would find.
I think think smoking on air. Hollywood likes to lecture America on all sorts of things, from eating habits and all sorts of stuff. And then that's allowed? That, I think, is really bad form.
WILLIAMS: Bad form. Well, let's go to good form -- Greg.
GUTFELD: Yes. OK. So I want to focus completely on the book. Because tomorrow night on my show, I'm having a celebrity read excerpts from the book. The book is horribly written, because he relies completely on a thesaurus. And the whole point is, you can't let --
GUILFOYLE: I hate that.
GUTFELD: You can't -- if you're going to use a thesaurus, people should not be able to know that you're using a thesaurus. That's the sign of a hack. And it reminds me of me in high school when you write a short story to impress a girl, and you look up all these words. But it's a beginner's mistake.
WATTERS: That's not how I impressed girls.
GUILFOYLE: I don't even know.
WATTERS: I didn't write them a short story.
GUILFOYLE: Who has --
GUTFELD: Maybe that's the different between and you me.
WATTERS: It really is.
GUTFELD: But his arrogance and he's trying to go hard. It's exactly the same error a novice political thinker who comes into politics late in life and you come into writing late. The arrogance that you possess is inversely proportional to the wisdom, and the knowledge and the skill. So he just thinks he's really good at things he knows nothing about. In this case, it's writing and also politics.
PERINO: You know who's a good writer and actor that became a novelist is Steve Martin.
GUTFELD: Yes, yes, yes. He was a great -- he could write jokes. He was a great writer when he was a comedian.
WILLIAMS: I just saw Steve Martin's show on Broadway, that he wrote anyway. Don't you go anywhere. Because when we come back, our good friend, Geraldo Rivera, he joins us to preview his fascinating new book.
PERINO: We all remember Geraldo Rivera's reports from war zones around the world, including the mountains of Afghanistan, on the hunt for Osama bin Laden and many more. After nearly 50 years in the news business, our friend and colleague opens up about his career and life in his new memoir, "The Geraldo Show." It hits stores on Tuesday. But he hits us right now. Here he is with us.
RIVERA: Thank you.
PERINO: So congratulations.
RIVERA: I appreciate that.
PERINO: This is an amazing, wonderful accomplishment. A book that you can write after a really amazing career.
RIVERA: You know, a half century is one of my greatest achievements. Just being enduring, just being able to go through so many changes in popular culture and taste. You know, being made fun of five different decades on "Saturday Night Live."
PERINO: That is a really cute one (ph).
PERINO: Jesse is working on that.
RIVERA: You'll get there. You'll get there. Hang in there.
WATTERS: I don't know if that's what I want.
RIVERA: Keep stumbling.
WATTERS: Keep stumbling? OK, Geraldo. You know what? I wasn't going to ask you this question. Now I am.
WATTERS: When I was a producer back in the day, I remember being in the little edit rooms. And we used to watch footage of you dodging bullets in the war zones, and you were screaming and the bullets were whizzing by. Was there ever one moment where you thought to yourself, "I'm about to die"?
RIVERA: In Libya. A great question. In Libya in 2011 when Gaddafi was on the lam. And the remnants of his army were being sued by the Islamists, of course, who later became allied by the extremists. I got caught between the two very disorganized, very heavily-armed groups. And so the bullets, literally from both sides flying over our heads. You could hear me muttering profanities.
WATTERS: I think that was the video I was watching.
RIVERA: "F-word, f-word." And it was so vivid that Jon Stewart actually mocked it in his -- in his Comedy Central program. He made Geraldo of Arabia. He took my tape and he superimposed it on the iconic scenes from the great movie with Peter O'Toole. And he interspliced it with our actual war footage. He did it to make fun of me. But I took it as homage. Almost used his title, "Geraldo of Arabia," as my title.
WATTERS: A badge of honor, when you're mocked by "The Daily Show."
PERINO: Greg, any thoughts or questions?
GUTFELD: Yes, I do, actually. My favorite Geraldo moment -- and you are actually part of pop culture, whether you like it or not. My favorite moment was not in the war era. It was on your show when you had G.G. Allin on.
GUTFELD: And I think you had -- I don't remember if it was he same show with Jello Biafra. But the G.G. Allin show remains, like, burned into my brain. Could you explain what that show -- do you remember that show?
RIVERA: Wasn't that the party punks of New York?
GUTFELD: These were he -- he was in a band called the Murder Junkies.
GUTFELD: They just hated and wanted everybody to die.
RIVERA: How appropriate that only Greg Gutfeld would get that obscure moment in with the fringiest of fringe groups. You know, G.G. did not make the book.
GUTFELD: You don't remember G.G.?
RIVERA: Of course. I remember, I remember. It's not like my Mom does --
GUILFOYLE: Geraldo Show, 2.0.
GUTFELD: Did you ever regret a story that you did?
RIVERA: Ah, that's an excellent, excellent question. When I -- I regret -- let me tell you what I regret. I regret in 2002 backing down from backing the Palestinians in their conflict with Israel, the second Intifada. Because I saw with my own eyes how -- and I know this is going to resonate very poorly with the people watching right now.
But still, I have to tell you how I feel. I saw firsthand how those people were, and now you just had 14, 15 people killed in Gaza. Palestinians killed by the idea forces.
I saw what an awful life they live under constant occupation and oppression. And people keep saying, they are terrorists. Or they're this or they're that. They are an occupied people.
And I regret chickening out after 2002 and not staying on that story and adding my voice, as a Jew, adding my voice to those counselling a two-state solution. It's so easy to put them out of sight, out of mind and let them rot and be killed and keep this thing festering. And I think a lot of our current problems stem from, it's our origin sin, Palestine and Israel. I want a two-state solution. I want President Trump to reenergize our --
PERINO: You might see one. You might see one.
RIVERA: I hope so.
WILLIAMS: So I have a two-part thing, Geraldo. One is I remember you as a young reporter who went into the hospitals here in New York City. And maybe the audience doesn't know that part of you. Why don't you just explain that part of your history?
RIVERA: That is my greatest achievement, Juan. There's no doubt about it. The Willowbrook State School in New York City. Staten Island, one of the boroughs, five boroughs of New York. It was the nation's largest and one of the world's worst institutions for the population we used to describe as mentally retarded and now called developmentally disabled.
And to expose the institution and to advocate and champion a different way for those people to be treated so they have a normal life as possible. Their human potential can be fulfilled and have those institutions closed as a result of the pressure from our investigations. That's my signature achievement. I -- it was my greatest moment. And the rest of my life since then has been a follow-up.
GUTFELD: Can I just -- do you have any worries about what happened after that? Where a lot of the unstable people are when you walk around New York City, and see all the homeless?
RIVERA: Just very briefly. The mentally -- when we called them the mentally retarded, it was easier to distinguish.
RIVERA: Developmental disabilities, people like Down's syndrome or autistic. You know, reduced mental capacity. The mentally ill, the schizophrenic and the bipolar. That's a different population. And the -- and what happened with the -- that population, I think, was an unfortunate-- maybe a side effect to my exposes. But people confused the two populations.
RIVERA: They're two different conditions totally. The homelessness you see are not the developmentally disabled. Those are people who are schizophrenic.
WILLIAMS: I want to say before we go on that that was a tremendous journalistic achievement. I don't think people understand. Awesome.
GUILFOYLE: Because we're out of time.
I'm Puerto Rican. I am proud of you. I was so excited to come here to work at FOX News. I've always admired your work and your fearlessness, your journalistic capabilities. And my brother is watching, too. We stayed up all night to watch you, the vault. Very proud of you with bin Laden. The reporter that you did there was also really special.
RIVERA: Being on the air the night bin Laden was killed, or the announcement came, was the greatest night of my career. To be able to bring that news, after what happened here in 9-11, after obsessively pursuing the terrorist mastermind for 10 years. To then be on the air when we -- I could break the news that Rob O'Neill and his mates in SEAL Team 6 had killed the S.O.B, I loved that.
PERINO: So much is in the timing.
RIVERA: I just want to say quickly about Al Capone's vault, it's an iconic reference. That's true. You know, like Stormy Daniels was Al Capone's vault, in my mind. A lot of hype, delivered nothing.
PERINO: All right. Geraldo, congratulations --
RIVERA: Thank you.
PERINO: -- on the book. Up next, we're answering your questions from our social media pages on this very fantastic "Fan Mail Friday." Stay right there.
GUTFELD: "Fan Mail Friday," your questions answered. First question, we don't have much time. Kimberly, "What" -- this is from 6Hill. "What is the weirdest thing you've ever seen in someone else's home?"
GUILFOYLE: Oh, my gosh! Do we have the time? Yes, so in someone else's home? Hmmm. Actually, it was probably in my apartment. When I first bought it, and I went in to go see it.
PERINO: Oh, yes.
GUILFOYLE: And it had 200 dead animals hanging all over the wall.
GUTFELD: My goodness.
GUILFOYLE: Gigantic -- there was a taxidermy when -- it was a really crazy night at the museum.
GUTFELD: Taxidermy sounds so nice, but sometimes it's not.
GUILFOYLE: Everyone, like, wrote about me, "Guilfoyle, that's horrifying." Taxidermy. Dead animals. Haters are going to hate.
GUTFELD: Yes. Juan.
WILLIAMS: I think it's art.
WILLIAMS: You know, where you see, like, people who have pictures of themselves.
GUILFOYLE: Like Greg?
WILLIAMS: Like Greg --
GUILFOYLE: He has all these paintings of themselves.
WILLIAMS: I'm talking about, like, an oil painting done of themselves.
I think that's pretty weird.
GUILFOYLE: Oh my gosh.
WATTERS: My sister's husband. I think their parents made them, like, pose for an oil painting like this when they were about, like, 9 or 11. And they're wearing all white and they're just like this.
GUILFOYLE: This will be good for Easter Sunday.
WATTERS: It was completely humiliating. So I was -- I loved walking through the house and making fun of them.
PERINO: I can't really remember. I do remember going to one of the coolest houses I've ever been in. There was a fund-raiser at a private home in Ohio. And the staff, like, we just had to wait in the basement. So the basement had every possible thing you could imagine. There was a game room. Like a movie theater. They had a cellar for, like, all the wine. I didn't drink any wine. But that's all I can think of.
GUTFELD: I'm going to tell a good story. I never tell good stories.
GUTFELD: When I was in my early 20s, I had -- I flew to L.A. to meet with a film producer. You know the story?
PERINO: Yes, yes.
GUTFELD: To pitch a screen play. And I was extremely nervous. Like stomach nervous, if you know what I mean.
GUILFOYLE: We know, we know.
GUTFELD: And I rang the doorbell. I opened -- it was a mansion in Bel- Air. And I walked in -- or it was Brentwood. And I looked to my left, and there was a butler holding a tray. And I look, and I look away and I sit down and I sit in front of the butler. And I go, "Don't think of the butler."
The producer came down. He just won Best Picture. I won't say for what. Came down and we started -- we started to talk. And I was so nervous, because you can't concentrate when you have somebody behind you all the time just standing there.
And he could tell, but when I was trying to pitch this thing, that I wasn't making any sense. And he felt really bad. So he went and got me a beer. I sat there, and I go, you know, "I have to talk to this guy." Because I kept thinking, "This guy probably came to Hollywood for a big break, and he's a waiter."
PERINO: A butler.
GUTFELD: He's a butler. And I'm some jerk from, you know, D.C. who flew in to this, and I'm a nobody. I said, "Maybe I should just say hello to him." And I turned around, and it was a wooden -- it was a wooden butler with an apple head.
GUILFOYLE: What a psycho you are.
WATTERS: It wasn't a real butler?
GUTFELD: It wasn't a real butler.
GUILFOYLE: Could you even see?
GUTFELD: Great question to you, Dana. From Stella T.: "Do you collect anything?"
GUILFOYLE: That was a terrible story!
PERINO: I do not -- no, I do not collect anything.
GUTFELD: You don't collect anything?
PERINO: I'm not sentimental in any way.
GUTFELD: Not even hobbies? Now, Jesse, do you collect anything?
WATTERS: A bad habit.
WILLIAMS: Is that her name?
GUILFOYLE: Oh my God!
GUTFELD: Anyway, Juan.
GUILFOYLE: Get a move on.
WILLIAMS: What I have on my desk, I have baseballs --
WILLIAMS: And signed by various people, you know, like Barack Obama signed a baseball for me. Condi Rice signed a baseball for me. Recently, I got one from Dusty Baker. Bryce Harper signed a baseball.
PERINO: I'll sign one for you. Just let me know.
WILLIAMS: You know what I have? I have --
WATTERS: I'll throw it at you.
WILLIAMS: I have a baseball.
PERINO: Have your signature all over it.
WILLIAMS: We made the road trip. Remember, we made the road trip during the 2016 campaign?
PERINO: You kept something from that?
WILLIAMS: Everybody signed a baseball that we got --
GUILFOYLE: Oh, I remember that.
WILLIAMS: -- at PNC Stadium in Pittsburgh.
GUTFELD: Excellent. Kimberly.
GUILFOYLE: Yes. Not going to say that I collect marriages. I'm going to say challenge coins, because I actually do. I collect challenge coins, and I have some nice ones.
PERINO: That's a good answer.
GUILFOYLE: State of the Union.
PERINO: Better answer than me.
GUTFELD: You know what I collect a lot of? I collect those little plastic packages that have two kinds of mustard in it and a fork and a little -- a little tissue from the Chinese restaurant.
WATTERS: Chinese restaurant.
GUTFELD: I've got a lot of those.
PERINO: That will a nice thing to pass on to your nieces and nephews.
GUTFELD: Yes, I think they'll be very happy.
GUILFOYLE: Can you imagine?
GUTFELD: That will be in my will.
GUILFOYLE: His apartment at his death, the hoarding.
GUTFELD: Hoarding is a skill. All right. "One More Thing," next.
WATTERS: It's time for "One More Thing" -- Dana.
PERINO: You've been missing it. Here -- it's time for this.
WATTERS: Corny joke.
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PERINO: Dana's Corny Joke of the Day.
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PERINO: OK, I've got -- we're going to go real fast. What music does the Easter bunny like?
PERINO: Very good.
WATTERS: Whoa! Juan.
PERINO: Very good. What kind of jewelry does the Easter bunny wear?
GUTFELD: Faberge eggs.
PERINO: That was a good guess. Fourteen-carrot gold.
Come on! OK, joke three. What do you call a mischievous egg?
WATTERS: Bad egg.
PERINO: A practical yolker. Very good.
And the last one, where does the Easter bunny eat breakfast? Where does the Easter bunny --
PERINO: Wow, congratulations.
WATTERS: Very corny and very funny.
Go ahead, Kimberly.
GUILFOYLE: Very awesome. OK, baby. This is "Candy Court." No graphic and no support.
On Easter, thank you.
According to the National Retail Federation, Easter spending is expected to total $18.2 billion this year, the second highest level ever on record. We can thank President Trump for making Easter profitable again.
The Easter bunny and candy tops the list of planned purchases to help celebrate, followed by food, gifts, clothing and greeting cards. We've got some Peeps here -- I did my research -- courtesy of the candy man who knows everything. He's my favorite, the big distributor of candy in the country. Greg, get out of my shot. There you go.
GUILFOYLE: Candy to celebrate. So there you go.
WATTERS: Excellent. OK. "Watters World" this weekend, we did a little Easter quiz. Here's a sneak peek.
PERINO: Oh, dear.
WATTERS: What does Good Friday mean, in your opinion?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Nothing.
WATTERS: Why not?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I don't shop.
WATTERS: You don't shop?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No.
WATTERS: I think you mean Black Friday.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Whatever.
WATTERS: What happened on Good Friday?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Jesus was hung on the cross.
WATTERS: Why was Jesus crucified?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: For rocking the boat.
WATTERS: That's one way to put it.
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WATTERS: OK, so this week, the quiz. And the Mark Levin, the Great One. And the clown who's running for Congress.
GUTFELD: Which one?
WATTERS: The Democrat.
Who else? Greg.
GUTFELD: All right. Saturday, tomorrow, 10 p.m., we've got Candace Owens. Great, great, great person. Rob Long, OK guy. Tyrus and Kat Timpf, 10 p.m. And we've got a special celebrity reading Sean Penn's book.
Now it's time for, quickly --
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GRAPHIC: Greg's Don't You Just Hate That?
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GUTFELD: "Greg's Don't You Just Hate That?" All right.
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(CHEETAH POKING HEAD INTO SOMEONE'S CAR)
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GUTFELD: Don't you just hate it when you're trying to get to work but some cat gets into your car that sits on your hood and you can't go anywhere. And it's not really a cat, it's a cheetah. You're on safari. And if you move the cat might actually eat your entire face off? So you just have to sit and wait quietly until the -- well, that cat in the back seat -- no, he's not going anywhere. He's going to stay.
PERINO: You know what curiosity did.
GUTFELD: Well, it's not going to kill this guy. Look at him. He's just happy as a clam.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Anything else, Greg?
GUTFELD: I have another one.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I bet you've got --
GUTFELD: Podcast. Next week.
GUILFOYLE: Oh, my gosh.
WATTERS: OK. Juan.
WILLIAMS: Here we go. This is every boy's dream. Somebody on the big team gets hurt. The coach points to the stands and says, "You're in, kid."
That's what happened Thursday night in Chicago. The Blackhawks hockey team saw both their goalies go down. The coach had no choice but to put in 32- year-old accountant Scott Foster. He's part of a group of recreational players available in case of emergencies. But he never thought he'd actually get to play in an NHL game. And boy, did he play well. He stopped all 7 shots fired at him over the final 14 minutes of the Blackhawks' victory.
Way to go, Scott Foster.
WILLIAMS: You made dreams come true for us all.
WATTERS: Maybe being a goalie is not that hard. I mean, just -- the big pads on. I mean, he's an accountant and he stopped seven shots.
PERINO: Somebody please challenge Jesse. Please, please.
WATTERS: All right. That's it for us tonight. We'll see you back here on Monday. Happy Easter and Passover. "Special Report" is up next -- Shannon.
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