Kellyanne Conway on Democrats ratcheting up scare tactics

Counselor to the president talks opposition to health care reform on 'Hannity'


This is a rush transcript from "Hannity," May 5, 2017. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

ERIC BOLLING, GUEST HOST: Welcome to "Hannity." It's been a very big week for President Donald Trump!

I'm Eric Bolling, in for Sean tonight.

The president helped House Republicans pass a bill to repeal and replace "Obama care."' He took steps to protect religious freedom in America. He signed the new spending bill to keep the government's lights on. And the unemployment rate has just dropped to the lowest level in 10 years.

When it comes to the commander-in-chief's biggest win of the week though, health care, Democrats are stooping to new lows to try and scare Americans. Take a look.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, people are going to lose their lives. People are going to lose their health coverage. And these people think it's a party? They think this something fun?

SEN. BERNIE SANDERS (I-VT), FMR. PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: You were talking about it as some kind of a health care bill. It's not a health care bill. This is a massive tax break to the top 2 percent.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: -- you know, and deeply saddened by its passage because it means, of course, millions of people are going to lose their health insurance.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Senator Sanders, earlier this afternoon, you tweeted, quote, "Donald Trump and Republicans just celebrated voting to let thousands of Americans die so that billionaires get tax breaks." Is that really what you think is happening here? Do you think thousands of Americans will die?

BERNIE SANDERS: Absolutely. No question.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This will cost American lives if it ever becomes law. This will -- this will mean death, pain and suffering to people's families.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This crushing age tax will fall on some of the most vulnerable members of our society.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Let's put this bill in a coffin, not Americans.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Let's kill and bury this bill. Thank you.

REP. NANCY PELOSI (D-CA), MINORITY LEADER: Really a stupid bill. It's a stupid -- it's a bill of destruction of government.


BOLLING: Well, this bill has a long way to go before it reaches the president's desk, but it looks like the Democrats are just getting started.

Joining us now with reaction is counselor to the president Kellyanne Conway. Kellyanne, have you ever seen -- in literally just hours after the signing (sic) of the bill, we had five or six lawmakers saying people are going to die if you sign this bill.

KELLYANNE CONWAY, COUNSELOR TO THE PRESIDENT: It's so disappointing. And we have faith in the American people to know that that's not true. The Democrats lost everything not nailed to the ground in the last -- three of the last four elections, Eric, mainly because of "Obama care." It's been a terrible political loser for them, 938 state legislative seats, governorships, control of the House, the Senate, and now the White House in part because of this issue.

We know what all the horrors of "Obama care" have wrought, 20 million people last year opted out of it, 6.5 million Americans said they'd rather pay the penalty, they'd rather pay money than be part of "Obama care." It's had premiums out of control. People had a health insurance card, which is the worst possible outcome because they couldn't use it. It was - - the deductibles were unaffordable.

What this does is the president has made clear -- and he leaned all the way into this. He worked the phones. He had the meetings. He was right there with the House of Representatives getting this done, and the vice president. He is telling people, Your premiums will go down. Your deductibles will go down. There's extra money in there for Americans with preexisting conditions. That's a feature of "Obama care" that's popular and that is retained here with extra money.

BOLLING: I think a lot of people were concerned about that preexisting condition issue, and that seemed to be solved with the additional $8 billion--

CONWAY: Right.

BOLLING: -- that was -- that was put into the bill. But talk to us about reducing the cost and price for not only health insurance but health care. How does the bill do that?

CONWAY: The bill does that several ways. There's more competition in the system. You've got more flexibility to the governors with Medicaid because they have -- you know, they are closer to the people in need and they know what their population needs. Having top-down care from the federal government was never a good idea. It's what Americans say is so intrusive and (INAUDIBLE) expensive and expansive. "Obama care" is the best example of a federal government that behaves that way.

Also, there's money here to help people meet their deductibles, if they need it. There's $100 billion for people with preexisting conditions. There's the extra $8 billion for people who have a preexisting condition and happen to live in a state that opts out. So that they want to be granted a waiver, you're still protected. That was a feature that was important to some of those fence-sitting Republicans who came to the White House the day before the vote was taken.

And so it's just a much better free market patient-centric system. It also allows you almost to double your contribution to health savings accounts, which is a free market solution that allows to you have more control over your health care spending, allow people to pool together who don't have employer-sponsored coverage, like most of us do, or government health care through, say, Medicare or Medicaid or veterans benefits. It allows them to get access to care.

BOLLING: You know, Kellyanne, I was one of the people out there who was pushing back on the original Paul Ryan bill because it didn't really introduce any competition. It didn't seem to introduce any substantial competition to the insurance companies so they can compete for our dollars. Does this add that? And how does this add it?

CONWAY: Yes (INAUDIBLE) competition. We don't have competition now. Just this week, 94 of the 99 counties in the state of Iowa, Eric, don't have -- they have one provider now. Aetna said it's coming out of all these exchanges. Medica (ph) in Iowa said the same thing. Just this week, we had exhibit A of why this isn't working.

BOLLING: But these are examples of (INAUDIBLE) you can't sell insurance--

CONWAY: Yes, competition.

BOLLING: -- over state lines. When does that provision get into this legislation?

CONWAY: Well, that's something that's been very important to this president. He has talked about that all through the campaign, all through the transition and now as president. It's important to him. The Senate, as you know, will be writing a bill, or they will take up the House bill. That's up to Leader McConnell and the Senate. And Leader McConnell and the president are in regular communication about health care and everything else.

The other thing is, let's not pretend and let's not forget, because the Democrats want people to forget and just to scare them, how we got to this place. Forty-one states saw deductibles increase. There's been an average of a 40 percent increase in people's premiums, 100 percent increase in some places. You have states now and counties, about a third of the counties in this country, all but five of the 99 counties in Iowa, that only have one provider. That's not choice. That's not competition.

BOLLING: I'll tell you--

CONWAY: And by the way, where the hell were those Democrats -- excuse me - - when veterans were dying waiting for care? I didn't see them coming on TV with hosts that just sat there listening to them and their screen when there were veterans dying for care who deserved better. This president two weeks ago signed the Veterans Choice Act. He expanded it so that if you're a veteran who cannot get timely quality care at a VA, you can access the private system.

BOLLING: I don't have a lot of time. Let me get to this. You and I both live in the state of New Jersey. New Jersey started when "Obama care" came out with several providers. They're down to two now, and by the end of this year, they'll have one. The state of New Jersey will have one provider, and that is the problem with "Obama care."

CONWAY: That's the problem with "Obama care." But state -- our United States senator was on a different network saying there's going to be pain and suffering and death.

BOLLING: That's Corey Booker. Let's call him out. I mean--

CONWAY: I mean, that's just terrible to say. They -- people say he wants to run for president in 2020. You can't run for president scaring people and going on TV where no host asks you to produce any kind of evidence whatsoever that such death and destruction are going to befall people.

I think they're running scared because they don't have a message. There's no economic message for the Democrats. They have no connective tissue with working class Americans. This last election, President Trump proved that.


BOLLING: I don't want to be one of those talking heads on the other side who didn't ask you about this. I really, really think it's very, very important to get this -- that second, phase 2 portion of competition across state lines.

CONWAY: Across state lines, very important to President Trump.

BOLLING: If you're going to reduce the premiums, for me, that seems like it's the only way to do it, other than having government put more and more money into the system, which I think the conservative doesn't want to have.

CONWAY: And remember, even though the Democrats made this a very partisan issue, the president did not. You heard Leader Kevin McCarthy say the first time President Trump called him, he said, Don't give me a health care bill that's good for the Republican Party. Give me one that's good for the American people.

And even yesterday, although he said the Republican Party came together because we couldn't rely on any Democratic votes, we welcome them. Tax reform, infrastructure -- we welcome your help defeating ISIS. Come on board, Democrats.

But we had zero. But he wanted something that actually helps Americans. We hear from people every single day who are suffering under "Obama care," and this is for them.

BOLLING: I don't have a lot of time. The Freedom Caucus somehow came on board. What was it that pushed them over the line?

CONWAY: Well, I think it was a better bill for them, and it had more competition in it, less spending, perhaps, less, I should say, wasteful spending.

But also, I think it's the personal relationships that the president was able to build with Mark Meadows, the head of the House Freedom Caucus, with Tom MacArthur, the head of the Tuesday Group, also from New Jersey, and even people who aren't part of any of those groups, where he kept saying, How do we get to yes? He's the ultimate deal maker. He's the most brilliant communicator and natural connector with people I've ever seen.

And that goes beyond the electorate. Now it works with his own Republican conference in the House. He was able to talk to them very patiently, very respectfully, invite them in, talk to them on the phone. He and the vice president I think deserve the lion's share of credit on that.

BOLLING: He now has a bit of a tall order. He's going to have to do a little deal making on the Senate side of the equation.

CONWAY: That's all right. That's why he's there, and he can do it. He will do it.

BOLLING: Got to leave it right -- Kellyanne, thank you so much for doing this.

CONWAY: Thank you, Eric.

BOLLING: (INAUDIBLE) right back (ph).

Coming up right here next on "Hannity"--


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Today, House Republicans voted to make American health care coverage much, much worse.


BOLLING: The liberal mainstream media is teaming up with Democrats to attack the Republican health care bill. We'll show you the worst examples of media bias you've ever seen and get reaction from Dr. Mark Siegel, Byron York and Joe Concha.

And later--


STEPHEN COLBERT, "THE LATE SHOW": One reporter ran into Reince Priebus, who told her the president stepped up and helped punt the ball into the end zone. I think a more accurate football metaphor might have been the GOP just kicked America in the (EXPLETIVE DELETED)


BOLLING: And after trashing President Trump earlier in the week, the foul- mouthed Stephen Colbert is at it again. Michelle Malkin is here later to weigh in.

That and much more as "Hannity" continues.


BOLLING: Welcome back to "Hannity." Just like the Democrats, the liberal mainstream media is slamming the Republican health bill to try and scare Americans. Take a look.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Today, House Republicans voted to make American health care coverage much, much worse.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You break it, you own it. And anyone that loses health care as a result of this will blame Republicans.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is it OK in America, as a sort of fundamental nature of the laws, for an insurance company to charge a family with a kid with cancer $100,000 a year?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No. Of course not. And look, I don't think--

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: But you just voted for a bill that allows that to happen.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, you did vote, sir.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We just saw the people's concerns about preexisting conditions. That's just one of the land mines going forward as this goes to the Senate.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think this is one of the largest pure redistributions from poor to rich in one bill we've ever seen.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK. That's hard to hear.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Look, it's all smoke and mirrors. And look, I'm not going to sugarcoat this. This is a bad bill. and this is bad politics. And when I see these Republicans out there, you know, declaring this as a victory, I hope they have health insurance because they really need to get their heads checked.


BOLLING: The media has been quick to trash the GOP health care plan, but didn't seem to care when President Barack Obama misled millions of Americans with these false promises. Watch this.


BARACK OBAMA, FMR. PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: No matter how we reform health care, we will keep this promise to the American people. If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor, period. If you like your health care plan, you will be able to keep your health care plan, period.

If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. If you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan.

here's no doubt that we must preserve what's best about our health care system. That means allowing Americans who like their doctors and their health care plans to keep them.

If you've got health insurance and you like your doctor, you like your plan, you can keep your doctor, you can keep your plan. Nobody is talking about taking that away from you.


BOLLING: Joining us now with reaction are, from The Washington Examiner and FOX news contributor Byron York, FOX News medical correspondent Dr. Marc Siegel, and from The Hill, Joe Concha, Mr. Joe Concha.

I didn't hear much pushback by the liberal mainstream media when some of those outrageous claims were being made. Specifically, I was waiting for Rachel Maddow to push back little but (ph) on Jonathan Gruber, and she just -- OK.

JOE CONCHA, THE HILL: I didn't hear once during all those clips you played one word, "Obama care." And when I watched the three evening newscasts last night, and I watched them all, in all their packages, they left out half the story. What's half the story? Deductibles going through the roof, premiums going through the roof, insurance companies opting out.

Why is that important? Because the narrative that became yesterday after this story -- after this bill -- the House -- this bill passed in the House was that "Obama care" is utopian, Eric, that there weren't any cost problems, that insurance companies weren't opting out.

So when you present it against a health care bill that we don't know exactly what it's going to end up looking like, but you say it's horrible because it doesn't cover everybody and everything, like the old bill, and you leave that out, that is the bias of omission. That's what it sounds like. And more importantly, Eric, that's what it smells like.

BOLLING: Doc, what are we getting here. What are we -- you know, President Obama -- you saw him saying you can keep your doctor, you can keep your insurance if you want to. That was a lie. What are we getting here?

DR. MARC SIEGEL, FOX MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT: A lot of people wanted to keep me, Eric, and they couldn't. I'm tell you their plan just didn't -- they couldn't keep coming.

Here's where this is a step in the right direction. We're getting rid of the mandate, the individual mandate, which was basically a lie because health insurance doesn't necessarily mean you're going to get health care. You get to the doctor's office, and I'm fighting to get you the care that I want you to get. The insurance company is turning it down. It's a false premise that insurance means care. It doesn't mean care all the time. And you can overuse it all the time, come to see me when you don't need to.

Joe's point, it's jacking up prices if we cover everybody with preexisting conditions the same way. Why isn't anyone talking about that over on the Democratic side? We have new technologies that are a fortune. I'm very happy about them. The latest inventions, you know what they cost? You know what cancer treatments cost? $100,000 a year. If everybody is paying the same price to cover that, premiums are going to go through the roof.

So the new bill, with a waiver, creates an option that you could fund a high-risk pool which somebody could go to. If they were in a gap, they could go there and pay a higher premium, which, by the way, the government could supplement.

BOLLING: Let me bring Byron in. Byron, I want you -- I want you to weigh in on the media treatment of what's going on here. They were very, very anxious to jump on Donald Trump when at first round, he couldn't get the votes for this health care bill. And now, all of a sudden, he gets the votes and now they're jumping on him again. Where -- it's kind of hypocrisy, right?

BYRON YORK, FOX CONTRIBUTOR: You know, I think we're seeing one consistent thing through this, from the coverage of "Obama care" when it was debated and passed in 2009 and 2010, to today, which is kind of an amazing lack of skepticism on the part of a lot of the press. When President Obama made those promises that you just played, a number of them were reported as if they were simple facts.

And today, when Democrats say people will die because this bill has been passed, it's kind of reported as a fact when the CBO, the Congressional Budget Office, estimated the original House bill on "Obama care" that 24 million people would lose coverage, there was almost no talk about how the CBO had been dramatically wrong, grossly overestimating the number of people who would sign up for "Obama care" originally. So when you're talking about these kind of things and especially about what they're going to do in the future, you have to be skeptical.

BOLLING: And skeptical, but -- but Joe, how about prepared? It struck me as a lot of those anchors didn't have the background. They didn't even understand what they were talking about at the time, and they didn't push back.

CONCHA: And they jumped to the cheap narrative, Eric, and that is the why. Why did Republicans want to repeal and replace "Obama care"? Because of the points we made before about costs and about insurance and about it's going to implode underneath its own weight.

And they went to the cheap narrative instead, which is Republicans, white, middle-aged -- and we heard about the optic yesterday -- white, middle-aged evil Republicans want to get rid of this bill for political support and because they don't care about Americans. That's the narrative that was pushed.

BOLLING: Let me ask you, Doc, is there -- so Democrats are hoping that this bill drives up costs again on health care so they can come back and run on it in 2018.

SIEGEL: This bill was a step towards not driving up costs. It depends on what happens in the Senate because the reality is, again, this is a prix fixe meal we have right now under "Obama care" -- a prix fixe meal -- you pay one price no matter how are. A 27-year-old that wants to buy a car can't buy a car because you have to pay an insurance premium.

Eric, did you know that 5 percent of Americans generate 50 percent of the health care cost, 5 percent generate 50 percent!

BOLLING: The oldest and sickest, yes.

SIEGEL: And OK, and I want to take care of them. I'm compassionate. I'm a compassionate physician. I want to take care of them. But I don't want my 27-year-olds, who are just starting out in life, to be the ones that are shouldering the burden.

BOLLING: Let me--

SIEGEL: Democrats are not considering that!

BOLLING: I'm running out of time, Byron, and final thought on this. And remember, this bill hasn't even gone to the Senate yet. I can't wait to see what they come back with next time.

YORK: We're about to start the cycle all over again because the bill will go to the Senate. I don't think the Senate is going to start with a blank page. They're going to start with what was passed and try to make the changes they want to make.

But the whole idea is, just don't believe what they say. Read the bill and make your own judgments about what's going to happen.

BOLLING: Always a great idea, read it for yourself and make your own judgments.

Coming up right here next on "Hannity"--


COLBERT: One reporter ran into Reince Priebus, who told her the president stepped up and helped punt the ball into the end zone. I think a more actual football metaphor might have been the GOP just kicked America in the (EXPLETIVE DELETED)


BOLLING: After coming under fire for crude jokes about President Trump, Stephen Colbert does it again. Michelle Malkin is here next to respond.

And later--


DAVID AXELROD, FORMER OBAMA ADVISER: Jim Comey didn't say to the Clinton campaign, Don't campaign in Michigan. You know, Jim Comey didn't say, Don't go to Wisconsin once after the Democratic convention.


BOLLING: Democrats are calling out Hillary Clinton for making excuses about her election loss. My friend from "The Five," Bob Beckel, will be here to respond.

All that and much more straight ahead on "Hannity."



BOLLING: Welcome back to "Hannity." Late night talk show host Stephen Colbert continues to go after President Trump and his administration even after the uproar over his vile and crude monologue Monday night that had people calling for him to be fired.

Here he is at it again last night. Watch this.


COLBERT: One reporter ran into Reince Priebus, who told her the president stepped up and helped punt the ball into the end zone. I think the more accurate football metaphor might have been the GOP just kicked America in the (EXPLETIVE DELETED).

The Republicans went over to the White House, where Donald Trump spoke about the bill in front of the nation's strategic white guy reserve.


COLBERT: And he wanted to be very clear about what this is.

TRUMP: This is -- make no mistake, this is a repeal and a replace of "Obama care," make no mistake about it.


TRUMP: Make no mistake.

COLBERT: Yes, make no mistake.


COLBERT: We've already made enough for today.


COLBERT: All the mistakes are taken.


BOLLING: And Colbert is not the only one. Other late night show hosts are also attacking the president. Watch this.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I saw that Democrats are calling for the new Republican health care bill to be called "Trump care." Experts say that's the first time the word 'Trump" and "care" have ever been said together.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Big news. Later this month, Donald Trump is going to make his first foreign trip as president, first foreign trip, yes.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes. That's right, he's visiting a library.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A member of the conservative House Freedom Caucus said yesterday that it can be difficult to negotiate with President Trump because it's hard to tell what he's thinking. Also if.



BOLLING: Joining us now with reaction, the host of "Michelle Malkin Investigates" on, Michelle Malkin.

Michelle, look, so Stephen Colbert started this off a couple of nights ago. This was written. It was in his prompter. The produces knew. CBS knew he was going to deliver it. And he still delivered it anyway. He can't say it was mistake.

But your thoughts on doubling down and tripling down on this vulgar, vile, crude stuff.

MICHELLE MALKIN, CONSERVATIVE COMMENTATOR: Eric, I really don't know how much lower these clowns in late night can get. I don't want them to be filtered. I don't want them to be censored. I want them to keep showing America how hate-filled and how vile and how filthy so much of their thinking about public discourse in America really is.

They really should be thanking Donald Trump. They are now all absorbing what's being called in the TV industry a so-called "Trump bump" prior to Stephen Colbert sinking as low as he has gotten. His ratings were actually dwindling, and I think that they are grasping desperately at these attacks because it's the only way, I think, that they can stay relevant.

There was a time when late night comedy could appeal to a broad demographic of people in America, and whether it was stupid pet tricks or talking about doing pranks on your kids at Halloween, or the bread and butter of so much late night TV, having on fellow celebrities to chat about the Tinsel Town fluff. But, no, no, these people now believe so much of their own press.

And this is the problem with living and breathing and working in coastal bubbles. Where do these people get off thinking that we actually care about their opinions on serious policy matters? And yes, I'm looking at you Jimmy Kimmel.

BOLLING: I'm looking back at you, Michelle Malkin. I remember Johnny Carson. Going all the way back to Johnny Carson, politics and monologues and late night have always been together. But for some reason Stephen Colbert went over -- in my opinion he went over the line. You can talk about a president, you can make fun of a president. But when you get vulgar and crude the way he did in that first monologue, I think he has exceeded the line. Listen, I'm against boycotts. I don't believe in any of that stuff. But he should at least have a sincere apology, right?

MALKIN: You would think so. It's never going to happen though. I think that he has an insatiable appetite for getting the approbation of radicals, radical progressives in Hollywood, and he is feeling it now, and I think he's feeling some sort of validation. I wish there was more backlash among decent liberals, and I guess they are unfortunately too few and far between in America anymore.

But I think it's interesting that you talk about the history of late night comedy and politics, Eric. I think what's happened is that the left has gotten so desperate because they realize how marginalized they've become among mainstream America that we have gone far beyond Bill Clinton playing the saxophone with Arsenio Hall. Even Jimmy Fallon I think, remember, he came under attack in the campaign because he did have Donald Trump on. And what was his sin? Treating Donald Trump like a human being. There is nothing more anathema to the radical left than doing anything that would humanize conservatives and Republicans.

BOLLING: Michelle, remember, David Letterman. David Letterman got into a whole heap of trouble. I think he also talked about the line when he talked about Sarah Palin's daughter. He got dinged for that as well.

MALKIN: He did.

BOLLING: You would think CBS would learn their lessons.

MALKIN: Yes. You are absolutely right. I'm so glad that you reminded our audience of that fact because it was absolutely disgusting. I mean, these people on the left in the Democratic Party are always lecturing their political enemies that you shouldn't go after women, that you shouldn't talk about the children of political figures. And the way that David Letterman talked about the Palin family was way beyond the pale. And he gave a faux apology after there was a backlash on that. Again, we're talking about the double standards that the radical, hate-filled left always gets away with, and it really is a time to draw a line on that. Where is the corporate responsibility?

BOLLING: All right, maybe we will ask Les Moonves what he thinks of what's going on on his late night program. We're going to leave it right there, Michelle Malkin, thank you so much.

Coming up next right here on Hannity.


AXELROD: Jim Comey didn't say to the Clinton campaign don't campaign in Michigan. Jim Comey didn't say don't go to Wisconsin once after the Democratic Convention.


BOLLING: Democrats are calling out Hillary Clinton for refusing to take the blame for her election loss. Has the left had it with Hillary finally? My friend from the five Bob Beckel joins us next.

And later, Butler University is under fire for an anti-Trump class being offered to students, anti-Trump class being offered. Charlie Kirk, Kristin Tate, and Raymond Arroyo will respond later. Stay with us.


BOLLING: Welcome back to HANNITY. Hillary Clinton is back. Earlier this week the failed presidential candidate came out of hiding and blamed her devastating election loss on James Comey, Russia, and WikiLeaks. Meanwhile, some prominent former Obama administration officials were quick to call her out for making excuses. Watch this.


AXELROD: Jim Comey didn't say to the Clinton campaign don't campaign in Michigan. You know, Jim Comey didn't say don't go to Wisconsin once after the Democratic Convention. A little more introspection, maybe we will have to wait for the book, but a little more introspection is probably in order.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: If people close to Hillary Clinton who are going to stay in politics don't take from this election that there are a lot of other failings, including where we didn't campaign, the fact that there wasn't polling in swing middle of the country states, the fact that Democrats failed to have an economic message that connected with people, then we are really missing an opportunity and we're really putting our heads in the sand to our own detriment.


BOLLING: Now according to reports Hillary Clinton is planning to launch a brand new political action committee aimed at taking down President Donald Trump. But isn't it time for Hillary Clinton to step aside and let others lead? Haven't Democrats had enough of the Clintons? Joining us now with reaction is the co-host "THE FIVE," Mr. Bob Beckel. Bob, good to be with you again, brother.

BOB BECKEL, FOX NEWS HOST: You too, man. Congratulations on your new show.

BOLLING: Thank you. And you as well on your new hour. What do the Democrats stand for?

BECKEL: That's part of the problem. You know, I get it was down with a group of Democrats, and I said -- this is before this broke this week. And I said, you know, we have got to get rid of this identity politics. We are the party of gays, labor, women, Indians, I'm all for that. The problem is that we when we lead with that, that's what people in middle America hear. It used to be the Democrats were known as the working man's party. And so I think that got lost. And Hillary Clinton made it worse by concentrating on those identities that make up -- made up the Democratic Party.

BOLLING: Think about this for a second. Hillary Clinton is a super resistance PAC, she's calls it. And its sole purpose is to take down Donald Trump. One of the other leaders of the Democratic Party, Elizabeth Warren has a new book out. I think it's number two or three on the "New York Times" bestseller list. It specifically deals with taking down Donald Trump. You Democrats seem to be foe focused on Donald Trump instead of developing a message that the American people want to hear -- jobs, the economy, make my life better.

BECKEL: Yes, but, listen, you know when you are a party out of power, you tonight make a message for a whole party without a president. And of course we are out after Donald Trump. That's exactly what I'm doing. I wish Hillary would take a very long boat ride to China because I don't think it's necessary to have her in the mix because it reminds people of where we come from. And she is great, and I always liked her but --

BOLLING: Then who is the leader?

BECKEL: Well, there is no leader in that sense. I mean, because you don't have a president.

BOLLING: Come on, been, you don't have to have the White House to have a leader of your party.

BECKEL: The leader of our party will be the person who wins in Iowa and New Hampshire. They say you don't have any bench. We have plenty of people. You get big name in politics by winning at the presidential level. Who knew Donald Trump much in the country?

BOLLING: Wait, so you're going to tell me the Democrats are going to go next three years without a leader of the party and you're going to find out whoever becomes the Democratic nominee?

BECKEL: You're going to some of that Schumer and Pelosi will be seen as that. And the Republicans will continue to say, you know, dump on.

BOLLING: Bernie Sanders, you know, he actually has a message. Here is a guy who actually does have an amessage.

BECKEL: And that message is the right message to be developed. The problem is you don't have anybody withstanding, except for him, to go around and say that. And so what do we have to work on now? We got now, before you erupt here, we have got a president who, in fact, was not legally elected, but he was our president.

BOLLING: Whoa, what? He was totally legally elected.

BECKEL: If the country of Russia was not here he would not be president of the United States.

BOLLING: Oh, I see. I thought you meant the Electoral College wasn't relevant anymore. Now you are saying the Russians got him the election with absolutely no proof whatsoever.

BECKEL: There will be plenty of proof coming out. Look, the point is a lot of people in the Democratic Party believe that. That's all that matters. That's the perception. They are mad. They are very, very mad. About 66 million people, 3 million more than Trump got, a lot of them are furious and they're staying furious. I haven't seen anything like this since Nixon. And they're going to do whatever is necessary to make Trump's life miserable, and so am I.

BOLLING: Being anti-Trump is not a message. It's not a message that the American people, even the 66 million people who voted for Hillary Clinton, that's not what they want to hear going into 2020. Here is your problem as a Democrat is that things are getting better. The economy is improving under Trump. Wages are going up. Unemployment is going down. Consumer confidence is going up. That's an economic message that you're going to have a tall hill to climb in 2020.

BECKEL: You can throw out all the statistics you want. You go out and ask people in Michigan and places where she lost and shouldn't have. The point is that he is coming up to a midterm election. We want to make him the message the same way they made Obama the message. You remember the McConnell said when he first got in as majority leader? My job from day one is to ensure that Barack Obama doesn't get reelected. OK. I understand that. And my job as a commentator, a Democratic commentator, is to underscore that Donald Trump is -- has broken the record as the worst president of the United States.

BOLLING: Why? You don't like higher wages? You don't like unemployment down? You don't like consumer confidence going up? You don't like the stock market making brand new highs on this very day yet again over 21,000? Bob, these are wins. And let's not forget he got Neil Gorsuch on the Supreme Court. He's rolled back regulations. He has done everything he has promised.

BECKEL: No he hasn't.

BOLLING: What are you talking about? Name one campaign promise he's failed on.

BECKEL: The wall.

BOLLING: He's got the wall going, too.

BECKEL: He set I'm going to be environmental president. He has ripped apart the EPA.

BOLLING: I don't remember him saying that one time, Bob Beckel.

BECKEL: He was asked that --

BOLLING: Donald Trump ran on being environmentalist?

BECKEL: No, no, no. He was asked a question, he said I'm going to be a good environmental president, just like he said I'm going to be a good president for health insurance. This thing is abysmal. This is great for us because I'm glad it passed. You don't like it. You know it.

BOLLING: I think I remember him saying I'm going to be the greatest president for jobs that America ever had, or that God ever created. I think I remember him say it. Guess what, he is delivering.

BECKEL: How many jobs has he created. Are you going to give him the jobs from the day he took office?

BOLLING: No. But I will give him the wages and the consumer confidence because that is something that follows pretty much month to month, and that is a big, big positive.

BECKEL: How much have wages gone up?

BOLLING: It's 2.5 percent versus last year just this month alone.

BECKEL: And if you take a look from wealthiest job workers down to the lowest --

BOLLING: You know who benefits the most in that middle class down to the lower cost. You want to see higher wages.

BECKEL: That's your argument. It's not mine. But the one thing I will say about you, Eric, you have been here a long time, and I love you once. But somewhere when you were 10 months old --

BOLLING: I know. Someone dropped me on my head. And I have never quite recovered.

BECKEL: And when you predicted, one of the first people predicted Trump was going to win, I was having back surgery. I almost got up and walked.


BECKEL: I couldn't believe it.

BOLLING: I love you, brother. Good to see you, again, Bob.

BECKEL: You, too.

BOLLING: Coming up, liberal campus craziness, Butler University is now toning down the description of its brand new anti-Trump class over growing backlash. Charlie Kirk, Kristin Tate, and Raymond Arroyo will respond. That and much more as Hannity continues.


BOLLING: Welcome back to HANNITY. Butler University sparked outrage recently after offering a brand new course titled "Trumpism and U.S. Democracy" which described President Trump as someone who is, quote, "perpetuating sexism, white supremacy, xenophobia, nationalism, nativism, and imperialism." The course description went on to say that the class would quote "discuss and potentially engage in strategies for resistance."

After facing backlash over its anti-Trump class, the course description was revised, but the class is still going forward as planned and the university is defending that decision.

Joining us now with reaction is the author of "Will Wilder, The Lost Staff of Wonders" Raymond Arroyo, along with the founder and executive director of Turning Point USA Charlie Kirk, and contributor for "The Hill Kristin Tate. Kristin, your thoughts on -- can you imagine putting a prospectus together and putting this class out there being so negative and so anti- Trump?

KRISTIN TATE, "THE HILL" CONTRIBUTOR: I know. It blows my mind, though, that these Butler snowflakes would pay $36,000 a year in tuition for this nonsense. If they wanted to learn resistance tactics against Trump they could just turn on CNN and get the same thing for free.

But the original course description that Butler had was so radical, even by liberal standards, that they really had no choice but to tone it down. But I will guarantee you, Eric, that the course, the actual contents of the course will be very closely aligned with the original course description. This is pure indoctrination. And unfortunately this is very common today on college campuses. Even Harvard University ran a series of anti-Trump courses called "The Resistance."


TATE: It's crazy what is going on. Kids are literally paying to get educated in how to march and hold picket signs.

BOLLING: So Charlie, let's say my son is in one of these classes and he happens to be pro-Trump, which he is, at University of Colorado. Is he almost guaranteed a failing grade if he has that position?

CHARLIE KIRK, FOUNDER, TURNING POINT USA: Almost guaranteed. It's less like a class and more like a training camp. They're trying to train these liberal activists to get class credit to protest the president. Now imagine for a second if there was a class that did this against Barack Obama. Imagine the backlash, imagine the media attention.

And not to mention, you know, you look at these college university administrators and these professors, they are not sorry that this actually happened. They are sorry they got caught. They are more sorry that someone found out about this. They are so like embarrassed that this actually got revealed. I mean, they actually believe that the university structure should exist to train young people to resist conservative ideas and now the president of the United States.

So moms and dads watching out there, they can access our website and see all these professors that do this. But your tuition dollars might be going to train the next generation of activists.

BOLLING: Very good point, Charlie. The thoughts of parents spending money on a course as biased, just outright biased as this.

RAYMOND ARROYO, "WILL WILDER" AUTHOR: Eric, my biggest problem is, look, if you want to study a presidency, fine. Study a presidency. This man has been in office for 100 days and change. There are clearly presidencies that are close that you could have a historical context and have a debate. That is called dialogue, which the president at Butler is calling for.

But this, imagine if we had "Hillary Clinton, Pantsuits in Power" as a course, or "Jeb Bush, a study in low energy." This is political jingoism as core study. If you want to resist something, that's what you resist.

BOLLING: Kristin, let me talk to you about this. What's going on in academia? The closed-mindedness is insane. You talk about this course and then you talk about Berkeley where they're shutting down speech if it's not speech they agree with. This is anti-free speech.

TATE: Absolutely. Those on the left have no tolerance for diversity in opinion. But you know what, Eric, I have got to tell you, I'm a little bit optimistic about the future because the left has become so radical that I think we're starting to see the beginning of a pendulum swing in the other direction. I really do. I think there is a movement of conservatives, millennial conservatives.

BOLLING: Really, really? Charlie, I'm not sure.

TATE: Look at Charlie's organization, Turning Point. It's huge and it's growing.

BOLLING: It's a great organization, but these academics still continue to do this biased teaching, Charlie.

KIRK: Well, I will say there is a pushback against this, and young people are fed up with saying you have to think this. You have to do that. And there is going to be a pendulum shift back to that, because who wants to be told what to do.

Very quickly, young people, if you are a progressive on campus, who are you rebelling against? The teachers are progressive. The professors are progressive. Your parents are progressive. The music you listen to is liberal. The rebels on campus are conservatives. So there is a lot of potential. I am optimistic but there had is a lot of work to do.

BOLLING: Raymond, are you optimistic that the pendulum, as Kristin, is swinging back in the --

ARROYO: Eric, like you, I have been touring a lot of campuses. My son is going to college next fall. You do see an emergence of true liberal education where you have people on the left, people on the right. That's what we need, a true civic discussion. Let's have a discussion and engage the real issues and a real record, not 100 days of an administration. We don't know what the Trump administration will bear at the end. But to try to classify it and set it in a course study this early I think is reductive and dangerous for our kids.

BOLLING: I'll tell you what, it's only 100 and change days you pointed out. I can't imagine what's going to happen, I don't know, seven, eight years down the road of a Trump administration. Yes, I did say seven or eight years. We're going to have to leave it right there. We'll have more HANNITY after the break. Stay with us.


HANNITY: Welcome back to "Hannity." That's unfortunately all the time we have left for this evening. You can follow me on Twitter @EricBolling, and be sure to watch me along with Eboni K. Williams and Kat Timpf on our new show, "The FOX News Specialists" every weekday at 5 p.m. eastern. Bill Richardson and Dana Loesch are going to join us on Monday.

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