This is a rush transcript from "The Five," May 5, 2017. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.
KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone, I'm Kimberly Guilfoyle and this is a Fox News alert.
It is just after sundown in Chicago where the city is bracing itself for another bloody weekend. Last year there was 769 murders in the Wendy City. The most brutal in 20 years. And this year the problem is getting even worse. Earlier this week, the situation escalated when gang members opened fire on two Chicago police officers, targeting them with a high powered weapon.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: My partner is hit! My partner is hit! We're at 45rd and Ashland. Westbound. Westbound. A gray minivan. Shots fired! Shots fired!
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GUILFOYLE: Thankfully both officers are out of the hospital and recovering from their wounds. Cops are actively pursuing all leads and a manhunt is currently underway for the perpetrators.
Joining us now live from Chicago is correspondent Matt Finn. So, Matt, I understand you have some new information and developments about what's being done to turn this situation around?
MATT FINN, FOX NEWS NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: That's right, Kimberly. Four of the most powerful city council aldermen here in Chicago say this week's police ambush just goes to show that right now police are outgunned by gang members and drug lords who have the money to get their hands on assaulted rifles and are ready and willing to kill police. One of the city council aldermen who has seen the crime scene photos from this week's police ambush says the windshield of the undercover van the officers were in was riddled with bullets.
The alderman says, these two officers were literally boxed in by gang members who opened fire with the high powered gun. Now these four aldermen are banning together saying police must be equipped with the same fire power they face on the streets in order to survive against gang members who have AR-15s and AK-47s.
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ANTHONY NAPOLITANO, CHICAGO ALDERMAN: There wasn't a shoot at them and say, hey, we are going to show you and teach you a lesson stay out of our territory. That was to kill, to kill. And to use this, this is not to say, hey, we are just sending a warning shot. This will kill you. This is probably about two-and-a-half inches, the 223 round. So, this is the actual round that was shot at these officers and that were in that van.
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FINN: Now, for some background here are some stats about what police are against up here in Chicago. In 2015, officers were fired at 18 times. Fortunately none hit. Last year in 2016, officers fired at 31 times. Non- officers hit by bullets and in 2017 so far, officers have been fired at eight times. And as of Tuesday night, two officers were hit. And to follow up on that police ambush on Tuesday night, this is a sensitive case, so far police have not identified the undercover officers because of the nature of the work they do and they also have not given a description of the suspects -- Kimberly.
GUILFOYLE: All right, Matt, thanks so much for that update. Greg, this is something we have covered on this program a lot in terms of the escalating violence in Chicago and these criminals turning guns on police officers. A mayor who really is absentee in terms of being able to protect people in Chicago with very little regard, it seems for public safety.
GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Well, it's another reminder that, you know, officers are getting shot and being fired at, yet, they still move forward. They always run towards the threats that we run away from and we should always be reminded that they are what separates, you know, civilians from danger and we -- and I think we spent two or three years watching the media denigrate that idea that this -- that the purpose and the protection and the necessity of the police, it was somehow that they were the problem.
And so you see a 50 percent increase in murders in just one year. I think from '16 to '15. That's not a surge. It's an explosion. And how does a mayor not resign, a mayor who thought that Chick-Fil-A was a threat so he could stomach murder but he couldn't stomach chicken. And I think that there is always -- I get the feeling that somehow they have just accepted it because it occurs in certain neighborhoods and not theirs.
GUILFOYLE: I mean, honestly there almost Jesse like they've become anesthetized to the situation. He has other issues, P.C. concerns that he is more involved and more animated and invested in, other than public safety and cops lives mattering and children being protected and communities being safe.
JESSE WATTERS, CO-HOST: Yes. You know the corner stone of Rahm's murder reduction policy? Do you know what it is, Juan?
JUAN WILLIAMS, CO-HOST: I'm waiting.
WATTERS: Mentors for gang bangers. He wants to give gang bangers mentors to talk to the gang bangers about their problems. Do you think that that's a very strong approach to reducing homicide? I don't. And if there was a Republican mayor, there would be no way this guy would still have a job. I mean, there is a lot of problems in this city, racism is one of the problems.
You know, they let this happen on the south side if it was white-on-white crime or whites were getting killed, I am sure there would be more police on the streets. Narcotics is huge there. Heroin cocaine and everybody from Illinois. And even the surrounding areas come in there to buy the drugs.
WATTERS: And there is, you know, a lot of single mothers and there is no father in the picture so there are people joining gangs in order to, you know, look for what they need to look for. And it's just a tragic shame. Right now it seems like Donald Trump cares more about what's happening in Chicago than Rahm Emanuel and former President Barack Obama.
GUILFOYLE: Uh-hm. And has said, in fact to President Trump has, that if we need to we will step in if you can't get the job done, Mayor Emanuel and so far the grade is a failing one for Rahm. Juan, you have discussed this issue and part of what Jesse has discussed which is the role of fathers in households and absentee fathers that we have seen in some of these more impoverished or challenged communities.
WILLIAMS: Without a doubt, Kimberly. I do think that this is a separate issue from what I have read. This is about gang activity.
WILLIAMS: And so, we have a broader problem in Chicago and I might add it's not just Chicago. You can look at Baltimore, Newark, New Orleans. And they actually have higher rates of murder per capita.
GUTFELD: What they have in common --
WILLIAMS: Oh, you mean Republicans have been through with their three guns for everyone?
GUTFELD: I'm talking about the mayors of those cities.
WILLIAMS: Yes. I was talking about their free gun policy because what I just --
WATTERS: Well, just a free gun policy in Chicago. I thought --
WILLIAMS: They have no gun stores in Chicago even after the 2014 Supreme Court ruling.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Now, all the gang members you are talking about now are all running around with AK 47s.
WILLIAMS: Yes. And they talked about burglaries taking place at gun stores in Indiana and out in Illinois. That's a key part of problem.
WATTERS: They have a lot of guns in Idaho and not they are shooting up police officers in Idaho, Juan.
WILLIAMS: It's a different context. I don't think the population --
WATTERS: I agree with that.
WILLIAMS: -- of Idaho is similar to the population in Chicago.
WATTERS: And there's more guns in Idaho.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: But it's a dense city.
WILLIAMS: It's a dense city.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You know, completely different environment.
WATTERS: But dense has more ways --
WILLIAMS: Well, I don't think so. I think what dense is sometimes the conversations we have where we want to make the cops into heroes in every case. Tonight, this very night, a police officer in the suburbs of Dallas, Texas, has been arrested and charged with murder for shooting a black kid who was trying to go away. The kids were going away in a car. You act as if that didn't happen but we're concerned --
GUILFOYLE: We are not talking about that.
GUTFELD: Also, I didn't know when did this happen?
WILLIAMS: This was a charge just tonight.
GUTFELD: That's why we didn't know about it.
WILLIAMS: I know about it, Greg, I'm on the show.
GUTFELD: But the point is --
GUILFOYLE: We're talking about the --
GUTFELD: Let us know and we will talk about it.
GUILFOYLE: Right. Right.
WILLIAMS: I mean, to me --
GUTFELD: But you introduced it as though we knew about it but we chose not to talk about it.
WILLIAMS: Oh, I think we know about it.
GUTFELD: Are you saying I know this story.
WILLIAMS: No, I am not saying not you personally. But I think we know about it. I think that what you do in the times that we talk about these issues, we have to talk about it honestly. I think Black Lives Matter, for example, they are a changed group. They are no longer in the streets. They are all of the sudden working to try to build bridges. And I think that's what --
WATTERS: Black Lives Matters trying to build bridges?
WILLIAMS: They are.
GUILFOYLE: You missed that, too.
WATTERS: Like bridge to Alaska.
WILLIAMS: No, I'm telling you something. There have been shootings such as the one that we are talking about in Dallas where you don't see Black Lives Matter. This guy Alton -- I forget. There was no charge against the cop in that instance. You don't see any protests, why? I think there is different strategies about --
WATTERS: I don't think what we are talking about either is the violence in Chicago which is primarily black-on-black crime has anything to do with police misconduct. If anything the police in Chicago are probably gun shy because they have been so hung out to dry by the press and by politicians.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And FBI, wait.
WILLIAMS: I'm glad that Jeff Sessions --
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The FBI just released a report.
WILLIAMS: -- talking points but that is not true.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The FBI just released a report that supports what Jesse is saying. They said, this is a study that was completed, looking at -- it came out in 2016 and it found that -- sorry, just became declassified. It was published -- it was conducted in 2016. It says that de-policing in the Chicago streets is a major issue, meaning the police officers are making conscious decisions not to proactively police in the streets because they feel like they have targets on their back and they are going to get killed. So --
GUILFOYLE: -- which in fact, they do. And this is evidenced by this horrific crime here. These officers, they didn't do anything wrong. They were working undercover so the most dangerous details to try to protect families and communities so children can feel safe to go to school and come back and parents can feel safe to go to work. But they do not have the support from a mayor because of his lack of protocol and concern for public safety and support of the Police Department.
GUTFELD: I have a solution.
GUILFOYLE: And this is what happens.
GUTFELD: A solution is push the crime to areas where all the rich, white Democrats live, legalize drug trafficking in neighborhoods where the mayor lives and the police just say, don't go there. Let it go and see how soon that problem will be solved. It's like the reverse of the wire when they created Amsterdam, go to Chicago, push it into the rich white Democrat neighbors. Because there are parts of Chicago where there isn't any crime, where there aren't any murders that haven't ever had murders.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well, so to re-ground the conversation in Chicago, 760, whatever murders sound horrific. But Chicago is actually worse when you drill down into the stats. So, I want to get this right. One child age 16 or younger is murder every week. Twelve murders this past father's day weekend alone. Christmas weekend 12 murders and 27 shootings. This is all concentrated in five police districts.
WILLIAMS: I just want to emphasize though. We should not confuse what's going on here in this story which is gang activity against cops who were working as Kimberly said, doing heroic work, undercover playing close, unmark card, trying to investigate murder of a 15-year-old. So, they are really doing amazing work as opposed to what's going on in the broader city of Chicago where you have a lot of this black-on-black crime. Latino on Latino. Jesse is talking about usually young male.
GUILFOYLE: And why isn't the mayor doing something about that? It's outrageous.
WILLIAMS: And by the way, I think the mayor has been trying, Kimberly. But I don't think there is any magic solution.
WATTERS: They've been trying for many, many years and it's not been successful, Juan. Trying to try a new mayor.
WILLIAMS: Well, I think might be time to say, you know, what, we have a dysfunctional culture in a lot of minority communities, especially Kimberly and I were talking about this before a lot of fatherless boys, fallen out of school, no direction. Limited economic opportunity and they somehow think shooting and killing over grudges is normal. This is bizarre.
GUILFOYLE: It does tie in because in terms of the gangs. Because I saw this because I worked the gang detail as a prosecutor, okay? And what happens is when there aren't any paternal or, you know, father figures in the home, the gangs move into that void to supplant it, to say we are your family now.
WILLIAMS: I agree.
GUILFOYLE: We got your back.
WILLIAMS: No. I agree with that.
GUILFOYLE: And particularly take advantage of the younger kids and the juveniles to commit the crimes because they go to juve first in case perhaps not being tried as an adult. It is a very complicated and prevalent problem. And that is what you see too, as MS-13 with people coming in. Immigrants from other countries, perhaps they're displaced. They don't have the family unit and they join these gangs and that's what we're seeing play out on the streets across America. And it's a huge problem.
WILLIAMS: Well, I just don't think it's all about the gangs. I do think that as Jesse and I were saying, there are a lot of these broken families and fatherless families and I think you were going to say, even in terms of some of the twisted behavior by people who support terrorist organizations.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes. I mean, the terrorist organizations prey on people on the same manner.
GUILFOYLE: That's what they do.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You know, interesting parallel.
GUILFOYLE: The socioeconomic problems as well is joblessness.
GUTFELD: The other mistake that politicians make is how they frame the problem. So, they always say like gang activity or gang violence as though it is something independent of human behavior like weather. Oh, you know, we are seeing a lot of gang activity this weekend. I mean, that's how they portray it when, in fact, you actually have to look at, okay, what are the individuals involved and then you realize something strange.
It's like, so they go to other states and break into gun stores. That's actually, get this, against the law. So it's not like you have a law that allows that to happen. So, it's not an argument to say they go somewhere and get their guns because that is breaking the law. It's against the law. Don't treat it like gang activity. Treat it like breaking the law. That means it's not mainly about the mentoring or I feel for you. It's like you committed a crime. It's this. I don't care if you are in a gang or not.
GUILFOYLE: Yes. Personal responsibility and consequences.
WATTERS: And you know, what, priorities are right now, they are trying to obscure the Trump insignia on Trump Tower in Chicago. That's what people care about in Chicago not the gang violence.
GUILFOYLE: All right. We're going to shut that down.
All right. Coming up, new data shows Trump tough talk is helping him fulfill a key campaign promise. We're going to tell you which one when THE FIVE comes back. Stay with us.
WATTERS: As THE FIVE reported earlier this week. New data indicates the number of illegal border crossings are going down. But now we can report that new State Department stats show far fewer refugees are coming to the United States since President Trump came into office. In fact, the last two months had the fewest refugee entries since 2013. Could it be because President Trump says things like this?
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DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: In the United States courts right now we have investigations going on all over. Hundreds of refugees are under federal investigation for terrorism and related reasons. The best way to keep foreign terrorists or as some people would say in certain instances radical Islamic terrorists from attacking our country is to stop them from entering our country in the first place.
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WATTERS: So it seems like the President's bully pulpit might be having a pretty significant effect on these refugees coming into the United States. I mean, this happened, you know, on the Southern border as well. And now it's happening here. K.G., what do you think? This guy really found his voice and he's having a very big effect.
GUILFOYLE: Yes. It resonated with the people of the American public and the people that supported him and put him in the White House. It's something that people care deeply about I believe. National Security and part of that is secure borders and making sure that we are rigorous and vigilant. Although legal in terms of who we allow in and there is nothing wrong with vetting properly to make sure that you know exactly who you are dealing with and now they know that there is somebody in here who is not going to tolerate, who is not going to let people walk on in and come in the United States and commit acts of radical Jihad. So, I think the President is to be credited about this. They are taking him seriously. This is about respect, Jessie.
GUILFOYLE: And they are not going to get away with it. And as you've said, we have seen this mirror in terms of the Southern border, with the numbers down in terms of people trying to get in. I love the deterrent effect that he is having, as a former prosecutor we love that.
WATTERS: Big deterrent effect. And Greg, on the extreme vetting situation, they instituted a new vetting procedure. Apparently under the Obama administration, vetting procedures, he is already not even allowed to look at someone's Facebook page. Now you are allowed to look at their Facebook page and if they're liking an ISIS video, you can ask them about that.
GUTFELD: I think that's a really -- I hope they don't look at my twitter.
They will evict me. I have to say, you know, I -- when we talk about the border crossings decreasing, it is in a way metaphorically Trump is kind of like the wall --
GUTFELD: By setting up an attitude in which it is going to be harder. However, I refuse to be the prisoner of two ideas. You can be pro-wall, pro-vetting, pro-border enforcement. But incredibly welcoming to refugees. And I think it's very important as an American because you won the geographic lottery. I could have been born there. I could be that guy on that boat. You know, leaving Libya. But I'm not. I am here. So, I am for extreme vetting. I am for strong border enforcement.
Especially the age of terror and technology where people can come over here and drop a dirty bomb or marry anthrax to a drawn. You have to be really careful. But at the same time, some of the best Americans ever are the people who are grateful. The people who risked their lives to get here and who survived and want to make a good life here. So, you got to find the good ones. Get out and get rid of the bad ones. Send them back. I don't mean get rid in a different way. Got to watch your language. But you don't have to be a prisoner of two ideas. You don't have to be anti-or pro. You can pick from the best.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well, it's also important to distinguish between immigrants who are out of choice and free would like to come here and refugees who end up oftentimes stranded on the border here because they're fleeing countries where they are victims of war and terrorism and famine and genocide and all the horrible conditions in the world and for hundreds of years that's how part of the reason why we have been able to lead with moral authority in the universe is because we are one of the countries that can afford to and do open our arms to those people. So I think that's part of the distinction, you know, Greg is trying to carve out as well.
WILLIAMS: So, I just want to pick up on what Greg said because I thought it was so right that you have to make a distinction between people who are coming in illegally and refugees. And right now you have the in U.S. Senate a bipartisan group saying to the Trump administration, explain to us why you have stopped. There has been an absolute pause in terms of the vetting process for people who are legitimate refugees playing war, famine, political oppression coming into the United States.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Dying while they are waiting to get here.
WILLIAMS: I don't get it.
WATTERS: I think President Trump loves this country so much that he doesn't want to risk letting in one person that's going to do American citizens harm.
WILLIAMS: Let me just say, so many of the people who have done harm are American born and in the U.S.A., Jesse.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Correct.
WATTERS: A lot of reason terrorist incidents are connected to immigrants.
GUILFOYLE: How about San Bernardino where people are nice enough to throw them a baby shower and welcome them and they blow them all to pieces. Well, that is a fact.
WILLIAMS: Oh my God! Well, this is not --
GUILFOYLE: Well, that's a fact.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes. It's a fact but it's also anecdotal.
GUILFOYLE: Oh my God!
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The crime rate amongst legal immigrants in this country is half that of the national average.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Fifty percent. Chew it over. That's the big factor.
WATTERS: Well, any illegal immigrant that commits one crime is one too many. And that's how I feel about it.
Plenty more ahead as THE FIVE moves along. Bold prediction about healthcare from a conservative luminary up ahead.
WILLIAMS: I hear that music when I'm riding shotgun with Gregory.
The Republican health care plan passed the house yesterday. But the left still dreaming about government funded universal coverage.
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TRUMP: We have a failing healthcare. I shouldn't say this to our great gentleman and my friend from Australia because you have better healthcare than we do.
CHRIS HAYES, MSNBC HOST: They do have universal healthcare.
SEN. BERNIE SANDERS (I), VERMONT: Okay. Wait a minute. Wait a minute, Chris. All right. The President has just said it. That's great. Let's take a look at the Australian healthcare system and let's move. Maybe you want to take a look at the Canadian healthcare system. Thank you, Mr. President. Let us move to a Medicare for all system.
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WILLIAMS: You know, that may sound far-fetched to some of you. But even some conservatives are wondering if free healthcare for all can be a reality in the U.S.A. in the near future.
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CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER, FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR: Historically speaking, we're at the midpoint. We had seven years of ObamaCare, a change in expectations. And I would predict that in less than seven years. We will be in a single payer system. I think that's the great irony of this.
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WILLIAMS: Kimberly, this is an interesting moment. You have Charles Krauthammer agreeing --
GUILFOYLE: With you?
WILLIAMS: -- with me? I can't believe it.
But anyway, anyway, what do you think about this idea that in fact even with the vote this week Republicans have bought into the idea that instead of allowing healthcare to become a free market determinative structure, it should be something that is guaranteed by the government.
GUILFOYLE: Well, I believe they are trying to do the right thing which is commend President Trump for that which is to make sure that all Americans are insured. That sounds fair and equitable. But they also want to make sure that Americans are able to have affordable healthcare which means you have to have a free market. There must be competition. There must be options so that you can then, in fact, keep the costs down. To me that makes perfect sense. And that's actually included in phase two, et cetera, going forward with their plan.
WILLIAMS: Oh, because I must say Jesse that I don't see it --
GUILFOYLE: And the President tweeted.
WILLIAMS: I don't see it in phase one. In fact in phase one, it indicates that there are about 24 million people that would lose insurance. Premiums would go up and --
WATTERS: Premiums would go up. Was that -- where would you see that Juan?
WILLIAMS: Oh, it's all over the newspapers.
WATTERS: All over where? All over the mainstream media?
WILLIAMS: I don't know. I think --
WATTERS: I remember the mainstream media.
WILLIAMS: How about the Congressional Budget --
WATTERS: You know what else is though?
WILLIAMS: How about the Congressional Budget Office?
WATTERS: The Congressional Budget Office said it was going to be a cheap plan and ended up costing a trillion dollars. So you can take that...
WILLIAMS: Oh, you don't believe in the -- even senators, Republican senators were saying -- it's crazy that Republicans rushed this through without allowing CBO to score it.
WATTERS: You mean when they say you have to pass the health care bill so you can see what's in the health care bill?
WILLIAMS: Jesse, you're going backwards, I'm trying to go forward.
WATTERS: I know what's in it. You are going forward over the edge of a cliff.
WILLIAMS: I see.
WATTERS: I want to clear one thing. When the president said your health care system was better, he was talking about the government system. And I would agree. The Australian government system for health care is better than Obamacare because Obamacare is dead. It's in the death spiral. It doesn't exist anymore.
WILLIAMS: Yeah, because Republicans have tried to sabotage it.
WATTERS: I would agree -- okay, so is the Republicans. I don't want to get, oh, wasted a billion dollars on website that didn't work, Juan. Come on. Be serious about this. You couldn't get a website off the ground and this thing imploded after like a couple years. Republicans had to save it, Juan.
WILLIAMS: What about the fact -- okay, let me just jump in here and save me please because I need to be resuscitated. I need some Obamacare. Can you tell me...
GUILFOYLE: Then you will die for sure. Then you're going to die. Oh my gosh.
WILLIAMS: So you have it...
GILLIAN TURNER, CO-HOST: Just a word in defense of the CBP. I mean...
TURNER: Well, yes, but then...
WATTERS: You can defend them too if you want.
TURNER: Well, they are bipartisan organization. At a certain point, you do have to trust -- you don't have to take them at their word on everything, but you can't make the argument that they are partisan or that they screwed up so we never -- we throw it all out the window. You know, we have to have some kind of a baseline by which we can...
WATTERS: You shove it in the machine in then it puts out a number. But it depends on what you shove in the machine. They also say tax cuts aren't going to pay for themselves but they don't account for economic growth because of the stimulus.
WATTERS: Why are you laughing?
WILLIAMS: Voodoo economics I think is what one Republican called that.
WATTERS: I think we can we can trickle down.
WILLIAMS: Anyway, Greg, let me come to you on this because I'm so interested in this concept that you have people saying, you know, I remember when Donald Trump wrote a book and he said, single pair would be the America we deserve.
GUTFELD: I think we've learned from Donald Trump that he says a lot of things.
GUTFELD: And we hear this a lot from people who have a superficial knowledge about health care. They will bring up Canada. They will bring up U.K. They will bring up Australia. If everyone has better health care than the United States, why do the people from their countries who can afford it whether it's politicians or the world leaders or the royalty come here for their heart transplants and for their health care?
Even more when people talk about Australia, when they talk about Canada, remember Australia has only got 23 million people, it's easier to do socialize medicine in a small scale. The same with Canada which has 10 percent of their population, it's 35 million people.
Size matters when it comes to creating these government bureaucracies. Even in Australia where you have 23 million people, Australians spending is out of control. The reason is because the patients are using the emergency room for minor conditions.
GUTFELD: And there's the solution to the health problem. If we pay for the minor conditions and allow the government to pay for the larger catastrophic stuff, i.e. catastrophic insurance for a couple hundred dollars a year, $400, you actually solve the problem. Even Australia tried to charge for emergency room visits, I think it was $6 a day. They wouldn't do it because you can't un-free a free thing.
Lastly, people always talk about the NHS, some kind of superior process. I lived there and I've read about it. The NHS in Europe has some of the worst records for pregnancy treatment and they have terrible, terrible records in terms of dealing with breast cancer and preventative chronic diseases, including strokes. So people love the concept until they are dealing with chronic diseases and then it's back to the free market.
GUILFOYLE: Right. Single payer is not the answer. We already have government run health care and that's called VA. We know how well that works.
WILLIAMS: I just thinks there is a big difference between something that cares for all the Americans, all the people and a few rich (inaudible) and celebrities.
GUTFELD: Well, you can look...
TURNER: But I also think that everybody can't have everything. In a private system like we have now, a for profit system, the way I see it is binary. You can either reduce costs or you can focus on increasing access to more and better kinds of coverage.
I think that a little bit of what the Trump administration is trying to sell right now is a ruse. I don't think you can do both. I hope that they can and they figure something out, but it's not going to happen.
WILLIAMS: It could be just the economics. Stay right there. Facebook Friday is coming up next.
GUTFELD: You know it's Facebook Friday. We answer your questions and we are going to start now.
GUILFOYLE: That was weird.
GUTFELD: I know. I never know what this new thing is. It totally unnerves me. From Caleb C. Let's start with you, Gillian. What's your weirdest pet peeve?
TURNER: That's easy, Greg.
TURNER: Unicorns with broken horns.
GUTFELD: You are going after my mug. The problem is every time I get a new mug, the horn gets broken.
TURNER: I mean, it's not it is a horse or is it a unicorn.
GUTFELD: It's a unicorn. That's not your real- what's your real pet peeve?
TURNER: You know, I was thinking about that in the break. I think my real pet peeve is when you are on the train which I am like all the time especially going to northeast corridor from D.C. to New York.
TURNER: You know, like, it's a two seater and someone comes and sits down next to you but doesn't acknowledge that you are alive.
TURNER: They don't say like, oh, excuse me, I'm going to sit here or hi or -- and then they are like breathing everybody...
GUTFELD: So everybody owes must say hello go Gillian.
TURNER: Just acknowledge. Acknowledge that people are living...
TURNER: No, please no.
GUILFOYLE: Be careful (inaudible).
GUTFELD: Jesse, what is your pet peeve?
WATTERS: Besides Juan, my pet peeve is probably expense reports, those expensive reports.
GUILFOYLE: How are those going by the way?
WATTERS: Not well. I have a lot of debt to pay off.
GUTFELD: Justice that they use on employees so you don't spend as much. Always the burden is on you.
WATTERS: I know. I figured it out.
WILLIAMS: You know, I was thinking on one level when I'm in restaurants and people immediately pour a beer, they pour the beer. I don't want them to pour the beer. Because they always pour the beer badly and leaves a big head and all that. I just want to pour the beer slowly at my own pace. But everybody thinks that being polite is almost like Japanese, they are going to pour the beer.
The second thing that really bugs me is double parking. I'm trying to get down a busy street, somebody takes up a whole lane. So selfish. But, the biggest one, this is Gillian.
WILLIAMS: But, Gillian, this thing on the train, my problem is people will come and sit down next to you and they start talking on their cell phone. I'm like good gracious.
GUTFELD: Oh, my God. Kimberly?
TURNER: You should sit in quite car.
GUILFOYLE: Let's see, maybe people who sit next to you on the plane because they actually happening to be sitting next to you on a plane and all of a sudden assume they are like in a relationship with you.
(LAUGHTER) WATTERS: Opposite of Gillian, oh my gosh.
GUILFOYLE: It was like, oh, we had a flight all night, got any rest? Nope. I mean, I got the eyes popped open.
WILLIAMS: Don't talk to her, talk to to her.
GUTFELD: My pet peeve is when people criticize me for all my volunteer work. It's like...
GUILFOYLE: Oh, right. Oh, come on.
GUTFELD: What really drives me crazy is people crowding at the gate. You are going to get on the plane. And I understand it is because they are trying to get their bags up. And then the airline says, they always say it's an extremely packed flight. When is it not an extremely -- then they go it is an extraordinarily packed flight.
GUTFELD: And then they keep adding adjectives, then all of a sudden they said, we are going to have to check your bags. We are going to have to check your bags. Just make up your minds, people. And then that's what all these people have to crowd the front. They are all upset and nervous. And they are wearing cargo shorts. Why? Why?
GUILFOYLE: This guy, the worst (inaudible) ever.
GUTFELD: All right. Let's go the next question. This is not getting better. This is from Charney, great name. Who, living or dead, does the thought of interviewing send you into a panic? I will start with you, Kimberly.
GUILFOYLE: Living or dead, the devil.
GUILFOYLE: I mean, right?
GUTFELD: Somebody that's real.
GUILFOYLE: He is real. That would be the number one answer on "Family Feud," I think, right? Can I get like all the points?
GUTFELD: Okay. I would die to interview the devil. That would be amazing. That would be amazing guest. Imagine that being your first interview on your brand new NBC show. That's better than the Kardashians, I will tell you that.
GUILFOYLE: Oh, my God.
GUTFELD: I have no idea what I'm talking about. Coming up, we have the devil. The devil is here.
GUILFOYLE: Stand down, little one.
GUTFELD: Yes, it's a remote. It's a remote from middle earth.
GUTFELD: Very hot. Very hot. It's been a very hot summer. Juan?
WILLIAMS: Well, I mean, given the week we have had, I guess given what President Trump had to say about the civil war, hey, Andrew Jackson, what were you thinking? You were dead, but, what were you thinking about that civil war? Could you have stopped it? Yeah.
GUTFELD: Cheap shot, Juan.
GUTFELD: What about you, Jesse?
WATTERS: Oh, you know, I don't really get panicked ever.
GUILFOYLE: Except about expense report.
GUTFELD: Maybe that's your problem. Some panic might be good ones. What else?
GUILFOYLE: So relaxed.
GUILFOYLE: Hey, right.
GUTFELD: Nobody? Nobody? Not a single person?
WATTERS: Nothing comes to mind, Greg. I'm sorry.
GUTFELD: (inaudible) born?
GUTFELD: There you go. You were born that way? WATTERS: I was born that way.
GUTFELD: There you go. Lady Gaga, just a quote there.
WATTERS: That's right.
TURNER: That's a good answer though.
GUTFELD: You will go with Lady Gaga?
TURNER: You should go with Lady Gaga.
WATTERS: I will go with Lady Gaga in the (inaudible).
GUTFELD: Okay. What about you, Kimberly?
GUILFOYLE: I love it. But all that meat going to waste.
WATTERS: Nice one, Greg.
GUTFELD: Wasn't really. Julian, can you come up with an answer so we can exit this segment?
TURNER: I'll go with you. We can do living or dead.
GUTFELD: Right. I'm not sure what I am.
GUILFOYLE: Walking dead.
TURNER: It would be a great interview. A, because I can get you back for so much. B, I would be terrified because you, who knows what you would say.
GUTFELD: I would be a very good interview. I often practice in the mirror. You know, I would avoid people like Genghis Khan because you never know what the wrong answer might be and he might just kill you in the interview.
GUILFOYLE: Would you also be afraid of Genghis Khan?
GUTFELD: Wow. Somebody is a little upset tonight.
GUTFELD: All right. Ellen DeGeneres has interviewed several U.S. presidents but she won't sit down with President Trump. You will hear why next.
TURNER: Most talk show hosts would jump at the opportunity to interview the president of the United States but not Ellen DeGeneres. She has no interest in ever booking a one-on-one with President Trump.
(START VIDEO CLIP)
ELLEN DEGENERES, TELEVISION HOST, ACTRESS, WRITER, PRODUCER: I have not spoken to him since he has run for president or become president.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Would you like him to come on the show?
DEGENERES: Um, no.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Why wouldn't someone like you like to sit down opposite the president of the United States?
DEGENERES: Because I'm not going to change his mind. He is against everything that I stand for. We need to look at someone else who looks different than us and believes in something that we don't believe in and still accept them and still let them have their rights.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
TURNER: So, guys, I mean, what's the problem? She is not -- Ellen is not a journalist. As far as I know, she has never made any claims to journalistic integrity. She has an entertainment show. Why can't she interview or not interview whoever she wants?
GUTFELD: That's not the question. The question is kind of moral cowardice. The applause is the answer to her question. When she said no, she got the applause. Which means that if she had said yes, she would have upset the people -- the people that already agree with her. She doesn't want to upset the people that agree with her. And, she is turning down.
TURNER: About her audience.
GUTFELD: And her friends. And, also, she might even be jealous because he did it, and she didn't. He ran and won, and she maybe thinks, I could have done that. There are a lot of people in entertainment who are saying that, who said, I could have done it. If he did it, I could have done it. She probably just kicking herself.
TURNER: Isn't that a little bit kind of psychologically a little far fetched?
GUTFELD: Why not? I am far fetched.
TURNER: I'm not saying it's not possible. It's a little bit psycho analysis.
GUTFELD: I am 100 percent right.
TURNER: What do you, guys, think?
GUILFOYLE: He's right.
GUILFOYLE: He's right. I mean, what I am going to say? Oh, Ellen, you are so brave and also awesome. She didn't want to offend the people that she likes that she hangs out with and socializes with and this is typical PC nonsense. And then she got the expected, laugh, clapping, applause from the audience.
GUTFELD: What is he against that she's -- I mean, what is he against?
GUILFOYLE: By the way, he is not against gay marriage. Everything she stands for like, you know, rights for gays and lesbians and bisexuals and transgenders and the questioning community. He is not against that.
TURNER: But don't you think her audience and her friends and whole Hollywood community would then prefer to have him on the show?
WATTERS: You know what happened? He went on Fallon's show and I think Fallon tussled his hair and it quote, humanized Trump, and everybody hated that.
WATTERS: And you know what? Trump is not coming on Ellen. So it's easy for her to say, yeah, come on, go for it.
WILLIAMS: I can only imagine what Stephen Colbert is thinking when he is watching that. Is he ever going to have Trump on his show?
GUILFOYLE: Is he still going to have a show? He has had zero class. He is also not funny. He is desperate in third place.
WILLIAMS: Well, let me tell you something. His numbers, his ratings have jumped up as he has become the anti-Trump voice at night. Made him competitive.
GUILFOYLE: He said cheap shots that are not appropriate.
WILLIAMS: I didn't relate some of the language in there. I got myself in trouble for asking somebody. What did he say? I couldn't believe him. Anyway, I just think that everybody in American media these days played to some niche and Ellen's niche clearly is not pro-Trump.
TURNER: Stick with your niche and call it a day.
GUTFELD: But then you get criticized for sticking to your niche. Because then that means that we are not talking to each other.
TURNER: You never sticks to your niche.
GUILFOYLE: The LGBT community is very upset with Colbert as well.
TURNER: All right. Stick with us. One more thing is coming up next.
GUILFOYLE: It's time now for "One More Thing." Hello, over here.
WILLIAMS: All right. Back in November, Stephen Hawking, the genius, the physicist said that we had about 1,000 years left to live on this planet. But guess what? He has recalculated now he says only 100 years to find another planet for the human race to go to.
He cites climate change, asteroid strikes, epidemic, putting us at risk for mass extinction. And it gets worse because we're going to need artificial intelligence to settle on another planet. But he says the artificial intelligence may kill us first. I want to go home, Greg, help me.
GUTFELD: He is right, though. It's all about artificial intelligence.
GUILFOYLE: And the robots.
GUTFELD: Nonthinking consciousness is going to destroy us. Anyway, I will be talking about that tomorrow on "The Greg Gutfeld Show" with Andrew Schultz, Amy Holmes. We're actually going to be talking about Stephen Hawking, artificial intelligence, and why those -- why that's going to destroy the earth. But more important.
GUILFOYLE: Okay, beautiful mind.
GUTFELD: Greg's endangered crowned lemur news. It's 1989. He wants top source for all your endangered crowned lemur news needs. This is in Chicago's Lincoln Primate House. Take a look at this little doll. Just born. Baby little lemur. See where he is? He is being held on to and the mother, you can't see it. The mother's name is Tucker.
TURNER: Oh, Carlson.
GUTFELD: I said funny mother Tucker, that's her name.
WILLIAMS: Could you repeat that for the audience?
GUTFELD: What? What's so funny? I don't understand. God, you people, get your mind out of the gutter.
WATTERS: That's what I said.
GUILFOYLE: You are so innocent, Greg. You are charming little unicorn boy. All right.
GUILFOYLE: And another Kentucky derby news. Yes, everyone is very excited about that. You saw all the hats on Fox today. Horse creatures with no horns out of their heads, Greg. So 20 horses compete in the Kentucky derby which is a larger field size than most of the races. Now, on average, eight horses race against one another.
However, in this one, one of the most talked about horses is Patch, the one-eyed horse. Lost his eye to an ulcer that never healed. He came out of the stall one morning with a swollen and tearing eye. So sadly they had to remove it. But he is the underdog here. I think we should root for him, 30 to 1 shot.
WATTERS: I might put some money on Patch. A lot of people say I look like this guy right here.
GUILFOYLE: Well, because you do.
WATTERS: Okay. So not only do I look like this guy. I think I speak like him too. Roll the tape. And what they need to do is take some stories but then pivot and say this is what our new plan will do.
(START VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Here we go, pivot, pivot.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Pivot.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Pivot.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Pivot.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Pivot, pivot.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Pivot.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Pivot.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Pivot.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Pivot.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Shut up, shut up, shut up.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
WATTERS: My show is on tomorrow night, too.
GUILFOYLE: Did you just boomerang yourself? Have a great weekend, everyone. "Hannity" next.
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