NKorea tests missile after Trump warns of possible conflict

Reaction on 'The Five' after North Korea's failed missile test


This is a rush transcript from "The Five," April 28, 2017. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: This is a Fox News alert. I'm Kimberly Guilfoyle and this is "The Five."

Tensions are rising tonight as North Korea attempts to launch another mid- range ballistic missile. But for the second time this month, the test fire ended in a failure. President Trump yesterday said the U.S. is potentially headed towards major, quote, "major, major conflict" with North Korea weighed in on this rapidly developing situation on twitter. Writing, quote, "North Korea disrespected the wishes of China and its highly respected President when it launched though unsuccessfully, a missile today. Bad."

Trump advisor Sebastian Gorka said, North Korea was sending a message with its latest provocation.


DR. SEBASTIAN GORKA, DEPUTY ASSISTANT TO THE PRESIDENT: We are not surprised that the new test occurred but nor are we surprised that it was a failure. Nevertheless, despite it being an embarrassing failure, the reality is it demonstrate intent. When you're looking at any potential threat, whether it somebody who wants to commit murder or there is a nation that wants to go to war, you look two things, you look at capability and you look at intent. North Korea has both capability and intent to destabilize.


GUILFOYLE: FOX News analyst Charles Krauthammer noted the attempted launch came after the Trump administration repeatedly warned the hermit state to change its behavior.


CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER, FOX NEWS ANALYST: It seems to me simply a deliberate provocation, with us at the Security Council, with our Secretary of State presiding over. The meeting with all the threats, with the President saying, we're, you know, we're near or at least there is a threat of a major, major conflict here -- trying to challenge the Trump administration saying, well, show us what you've got.


GUILFOYLE: Okay. So, Dana, obviously a very developing situation right at this hour. But what do you think the Trump administration should be doing in terms of its messaging right now as it relates to North Korea and also China?

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: Well, I think that they've had a -- well, remember when Rex Tillerson, the Secretary of State, all right, I am sorry, the Vice President who said, the era of strategic patients has come to an end. Rex Tillerson has been very sparse in his words. So, they are not giving Kim Jong-Un the attention that he seeks. And today, well, besides the President tweets, the official statement from the White House Press Secretaries office was, yes, we know about the test and yes, the President has been briefed.

And no more thinks about, oh, well, we need to get together, the world community has to really work on it. I didn't think it was really interesting yesterday that Rex Tillerson said in an interview with NPR that the United States would be willing to speak and wants direct talks with North Korea. We haven't said that before. That is a new foreign policy position for the United States and they didn't really go further on that but I think what they are starting to realize is Kim Jong-un, is certainly under pressure, we don't understand a lot about the regime because it's so secretive and such a hermit.

But it is under tremendous pressure and he is losing face. So, he is embarrassed and he is trying to show that he does have this weapons capability and I think that maybe we are going to provoke him into doing something where we could possibly show him that we can push him back into the stone age.

GUILFOYLE: Okay. And Bret Baier, welcome to the program.


GUILFOYLE: Nice to have you. And you were taking on this breaking news earlier today as it relates to North Korea. How do you see this unfolding?

BAIER: I think the administration has a lot of confidence in the relationship that was established in Mar-A-Lago between the President and the Chinese president. And they don't talk about all the things that China is doing. But I think they are doing more than we know that they are doing. The fact that there are fuel shortages in Pyongyang suggests that perhaps they are turning screws on him. That is key for this to go along the track that the administration wants. I think there's a lot of concern that this tension rises. And gets to a point where the North Korean leader is backed into a corner. And China is the linchpin, take it out of that moment.

GUILFOYLE: Juan, if that seemed that President Trump is working quite nicely, cooperatively with President Xi of China which I think is really a key relationship to continue in good stead especially given to sort of the turbulent, dynamic that we're dealing with in North Korea.

JUAN WILLIAMS, CO-HOST: So, on FOX this morning, I saw a KT McFarland talking about the relationship with China and suggesting that China really is in a key position to influence what is going on. But it begs my reason because to me, the idea that they are doing more missile testing seems to me to be quite intentionally suggesting that they want to display their military might at this moment and they are not listening to anybody.

So, the United States has sent an armada of ships in that direction. Sometimes they sent the ships in the wrong direction. But anyway, in the neighborhood. And then you've got a situation where people feel directly threatened. Now, we know this man has nuclear weapons. That's pretty serious. And you know, you can make jokes about Trump being erratic and Kim Jong-Un being erratic and which one has looks, and oh, they're both -- but it's not to me, this is way beyond humor.

This is a threat to the stability of that entire region and I don't see that Chinese reacting in the way we are. So, you know, people say, we could bomb and back to the Stone Age. That is not to our advantage. Poll numbers, a FOX poll, I don't know if you saw this FOX poll Bret, it says most Americans say, yes, go get them. I think that is a start of a major, major World War. That is a World War.

PERINO: I think that's now what that poll said. I think that the poll said, Americans are willing to have the United States take proactive action if it needs to in order to protect our country if he has the capability of having a weapon that can reach our shores.

WILLIAMS: Well, in fact, they had the video. I don't know if you saw this in the news today. North Korea on their propaganda channel put out a video with the picture of the White House. And they were blowing up the White House. I think these folks just want to -- they are sticking it to Donald Trump and they want --

GUILFOYLE: Right, they are trying to poke the cage or poke the oval and it seems like a lot of bravado and machismo. Nevertheless, it's a very serious conflict that we have right now that's developing, Greg.

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Is it really?


GUTFELD: I don't know. Let me give you some perspective, Juan. They shot a former Scud missile, 25 miles and it broke up in flight into the water. They routinely do this. And we always play along. Do we need to care or respond the way we always do? We don't. This is like the kid in the neighborhood who have to show off by popping a wheelie. All the time, popping a wheelie and he always ends up on his but over to teakettle as they used to say. The good news about this is, from Trump's tweet, which I found, he pulled China into the tweet. He said, he pulled China on to his side. He said, hey, you are disrespecting China too. And so, superpowers in a way are like superheroes.

Generally there against each other, batman versus superman but when there is an enemy that is a force that is more evil than both of them, then they unite. They team up the fight. So, there's something positive coming here. We don't know what kind of impact this is going to have and what China is going to do but it seems to me that China and America are working together. And I think that's important as well.

BAIER: And the other thing that we don't talk about a lot is whether the U.S. was behind some the failure.


BAIER: The last one, they give you a smile and a wink in Washington.

GUILFOYLE: Absolutely.

BAIER: And intelligence officials and who knows what happened today but I think that the U.S. may be pushing that kid with the bike over.

GUTFELD: Right. Which is always a lot of fun.

PERINO: But because in North Korea, the only access that they have is the propaganda channel. All they know is that they are setting off missiles. They don't know that they broke up 25 miles off the sea.


GUILFOYLE: That's why he's right. There are so many people, you know, in the intelligence community and behind the scenes, like giving you that wink and nod. We don't think that they are going to be able to get a missile launch successfully completed anytime in the near future. It doesn't mean they're not going to be able to overcome any capabilities in terms of cyber hacking. So, that is why this is why --

WILLIAMS: Let me tell you, you know that South Korea and Japan are not very far.

GUTFELD: I understand that.

WILLIAMS: And so if they start, you know, going after, and remember we have troops as you point out. We have troops right there. I think a 30,000 troops in South Korea --

BAIER: On the line. Yep.

WILLIAMS: That is 30 miles, right?

PERINO: Thirty five.

WILLIAMS: Thirty five says, Dana Perino.


WILLIAMS: All right.


WILLIAMS: But my point to you is, that starts big trouble.

GUTFELD: Yes, that is the point. This is the pattern that you get from President Trump that is not bordering on the mundane and it's positive. What President Trump does is he sprints to the most extreme pole and then he stands there and he waves and he waits for everyone else to get alarmed and then move a little bit toward him, which is what everybody wants. He now has created moderate progress with China. He is not interested in waging a war. What he did was he was the most extreme poll, raised concerns and then people stand up and go oh, my God, what's going on. And then they moved toward him. He did this with China.


GUTFELD: He did this with immigration. He did this with Syria. It's his pattern and it seems to be working.

GUILFOYLE: Well, and this is also tied into trade with China.


GUILFOYLE: And so, let's reflect a little further. Shall we? Because tomorrow marks President Trump's 100 day in office. He talked about his presidency thus far with FOX News' Martha MacCallum earlier today.


DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: We have this artificial barrier called a 100 days, which I am not a big fan of but of course --


MARTHA MACCALLUM, FOX NEWS ANCHOR: Pretty good efforts to get a lot of things done in the past few days.

TRUMP: No, no, I fall victim to it also but it's very much an artificial barrier. Getting a Supreme Court justice, a great one. I think you will be a great one. But getting him not only nominated but approved in the first 100 days, which hasn't been done since 1881. And this is going to be something really special.


GUILFOYLE: Okay. So, you notice the point there, Bret, about Neil Gorsuch and that was very important, perhaps maybe in the headline, in terms of the accomplishments in the first 100 days as a president.

BAIER: I've talked to some conservatives who say, if nothing else happened and that happened, that this would be a total success.


BAIER: Let alone what is likely to happen, and that is possibly Justice Kennedy retiring and another's feet opening up or some other justice on the Supreme Court stepping down. And I think that that when you look at the poles among evangelicals, among faith-based voters, there is 73, 75 percent saying that this president is doing the right thing.

GUILFOYLE: They are single issue voters as well.

BAIER: I do think the 100 days thing -- people are just tired of hearing about 100 days.


BAIER: And, you know, maybe it's 200 days or whatever it takes but eventually you're going to get to a list of things he's got.

GUILFOYLE: Or eight years, as he suggested. He said it's going to be. He's calling it out, Dana. So, what do you make of these accomplishments? I know you like Neil Gorsuch, one.

PERINO: Oh, definitely for sure. I do think that one of the things that the 100 days does as well, though. It's not just to pressure the President, it's for the President to pressure the Congress. And what you heard from them today, that he's disappointed with the Congress. Because when he looks at the legislation that was brought to him, I think it's 28 pieces of legislation, none of it was a big blockbuster stuff but that doesn't matter I think that that can happen. Because you never get a second chance to make a first impression, those first 25 days that seems like there was chaos, and there was this travel ban, and there was, all of this stuff going on where he said the so-called judge and there was all the tweeting.

That just took a little bit of time to settle down. The next 75 days which included the Gorsuch confirmation and you had of course the health care bill failed. That is probably the biggest martyr against that first 100 days. But I actually think that conservatives, Republicans were like, fine, we are not quite ready to do that yet. And I think the next 100 days, when they start to lay out more on this tax reform plan, that's whenwhen when you will see even more Republicans garner around him.

GUILFOYLE: Trying to coalesce.

PERINO: Because if you look at what he has been able to do, with even skeptical Republicans, is now they're saying you know what? We are for this. Partially it is the Gorsuch thing but there is also on the politics front, I think that is good. I also -- last thing on this would be, I do think it's important for them to try to start to fill in some of these positions all across the government because that will help them achieve their legislative goals.

GUILFOYLE: They need some efficiency. They need the personnel to be able to do that. So, I think that's one of the most important things. Greg, what do you make? First 100 days?

GUTFELD: We haven't even talked about what he did today which is he signed an executive order for offshore drilling. And that is fantastic because that means more dirty jobs, need more jobs in stimulating the economy and it tells the fish who is boss. We are offshore. We're not onshore. We're offshore. I think his political philosophy --


WILLIAMS: Welcome to "The Five."


GUTFELD: I am trying to get to a good point. Trumps political philosophy has been interpreted a number of different ways. He is a populous, nationalist, economic nationalist, I think they are all wrong. I think it's just the guy who loves his country, who wants to try his hand at running it. And so, what he is, is he is applying the same kind of business which is multitasking. He is doing all of these things at once. And it creates a sense of chaos.

So, you have a lot of unease against the Democrats, you have a lot of unease against the entertainment industry and the media, they can't keep up with him. He's like a crazed, you know, personal trainer. And again, the class can't keep up with him. And it's really interesting thing to see because among these failures, you talk about some of them, you have an executive order on offshore drilling. You have got deregulation. You've got Gorsuch. You've got decreased border crossings.


GUTFELD: When you think about that over 100 days, that's almost one thing, every two to three weeks. That's pretty good.

GUILFOYLE: Okay. So, you're giving him a fair grade?

GUTFELD: Yes. I don't know.


GUTFELD: I've been drinking.


BAIER: Look at it this way. Martha MacCallum gets all new graphics.


A whole new deal!

GUTFELD: The next 100 or 200?

GUILFOYLE: All right. Juan, I want to get --

WILLIAMS: -- get the story.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, kind of very quickly recap on this and I want to --

WILLIAMS: You know the reason "The Five" is so great? Because if your homework was not turned in today, young people, you can come to this show and the dog ate your homework. That is what happened with Donald Trump on his first 100 days. First of all, 100 days, who talked about that? Oh, Donald Trump. I forgot. And then today or earlier this week, Donald Trump in an interview with Reuters, guess what, he says, you know, this job is a lot harder than I thought. I liked my earlier life much better. I didn't realize how much it worked.

GUILFOYLE: For being honest.

GUTFELD: That's honesty.


GUTFELD: That's the -- no politician ever said gee, this tough job is tougher than I thought.


GUTFELD: But everyone of us has said that.


WILLIAMS: No, he said it. He is saying it today.

GUTFELD: That is why I am saying --

WILLIAMS: He saying, it's far harder --

GUTFELD: That's what I am saying.

WILLIAMS: Oh, and remember when he said --

GUTFELD: That is what makes him unique!

WILLIAMS: Unique! How about makes him a failure?

GUTFELD: No, it makes him honest.

GUILFOYLE: Because he's honest.

WILLIAMS: Oh, honest? How about this, let's forget honest, dishonest, judgment. Let's just go -- here's what he said.

GUILFOYLE: So, honesty is a failure.

WILLIAMS: No, no, no. I love honesty, so let's be honest.


WILLIAMS: Where is the wall?


WILLIAMS: Where is tax reform?


WILLIAMS: Where is ObamaCare repeal?


WILLIAMS: Where is the infrastructure? Oh, you know, what? You elect me as president of America, ISIS, gone, I'm going to wipe it out the first day. No questions. I have got a secret plan.

GUTFELD: He's been killing ISIS.

WILLIAMS: Oh, yes. He's been killing ISIS.


GUILFOYLE: Like, just one clown?


WILLIAMS: You know what I did was I invited Greg to my birthday party. And then he made excuses for not coming. I am so lonely.

GUTFELD: And then you tried to pop a wheelie.

WILLIAMS: I know. And then what was that, I ended up as a hermit nation.


BAIER: I just want to note that the 9:00 version is a lot more fiery.


GUTFELD: You have four hours of drinking coffee.

WILLIAMS: That is what is in your mug, coffee?

GUILFOYLE: Now, one of the keys to President Trump's election victory was rallying his base. And for the first time in 34 years, the sitting commander-in-chief addressed the annual NRA convention. Take a look.


TRUMP: I have a feeling that in the next election -- you could be swamped with candidates but you're not going to be wasting your time. You will have plenty of those Democrats coming over and you are going to say, no, sir, no thank you. No, ma'am. Perhaps ma'am. It may be Pocahontas, remember that.


And she is not big for the NRA, that I can tell you. But you came through for me and I am going to come through for you.



GUILFOYLE: Okay so, Bret, you know, he mentioned that he was the only one to go and address the NRA as a candidate, and now I come before you as president of the United States. So, that was --

BAIER: The NRA is a big deal. They're one of the first endorsers as a big group. He is the first sitting president since Regan in 1983 to speak in front of the convention. Listen, those are the folks in the middle of the country, a lot of them that are saying that this is going fine. And give them a chance. That's what they're saying. Now, there's obviously a lot of criticism about the President, about how he started and what he hasn't accomplished. But for folks in that room?


BAIER: They look at Neil Gorsuch again and they look at the prospect of deregulating the things that they care about.

GUILFOYLE: Right. And the robust supporter of the Second Amendment. So, Greg, they are pretty fired up, literally.

GUTFELD: Yes. The best advertisement for the NRA right now is Venezuela. Because it has no NRA, it has no Second Amendment. It has no way for citizens to protect themselves from tyranny and right now, Venezuela is imploding and the government is killing its citizens at will because they cannot fight back. So, when you look at Venezuela, you understand why we are so lucky that we have the Second Amendment because guns preserve our freedom and liberty from tyranny. There is no other way to put it and if you didn't have guns, this country would be a different, stranger place.

GUILFOYLE: Right. There are places where no guns are allowed.

GUTFELD: I believe it by heart and soul. And I don't even have a soul.

WILLIAMS: Well, yes, you do. But I might say, you think you have enough guns to take on the U.S. government?

GUTFELD: Yes. I don't think the U.S. government could ever, every attempt -- by the way -- it wouldn't come from the government, it will come from the left.

WILLIAMS: I knew the left hanging out there --

GUTFELD: Well, they are the ones beating up people for free speech.

WILLIAMS: But I am saying, if your argument is true, guess what, then we have enough guns to confront the U.S. military. And I just think that it's a balance.

GUTFELD: We keep everything at bay. It's polite society when it is armed.

GUILFOYLE: Yes. Well, and it's also -- it serves as a psychological deterrent nonetheless.


GUILFOYLE: Because, you know, just like when we talk about soft targets, right? People go and they hit the soft targets because there aren't weapons there, right? So, that is what they do.


GUILFOYLE: When you see places that have weapons, they don't want to go there because it's -- thing for them. So, you pick places like the polls night club in Orlando, et cetera or San Bernardino to take a hit when we saw that with terrorism here. Dana, what do you make of the fact that right here, the day before his 100 day mark, he goes to the NRA. Would you like that scheduling? Would you recommended it?

PERINO: I was actually surprised to learn that the President hadn't gone in 34 years. I just assumed that President Bush had gone or that George H.W. Bush would have gone. I'm surprised by that. And so, I think it's bold and I think it's smart. Because, as I said he is locked down his base. I think the next thing that he has to do is to try to figure out what constituency can he pick off in order to help him achieve some of these legislative goals? So, if he thinks about those people in the rust belt that had voted for Obama, but decided not to vote for Clinton and went for him because they believe in whatever it might have been, you know, take your pick of Make America Great Again.


PERINO: I mean, it's jobs. So, how does he continue to keep them in his corner and how can he tried to reach out to some of those people?

GUILFOYLE: Who would you suggest?

PERINO: Well, I am not, you know, there's not a lot of moderate Democrats left. And in fact, in our future segment, we're going to talk about how the Democrats are just sort of in disarray. They don't exactly know what to do. And they are pushing purity of their ideology rather than broadening their base. So, I think that because he can rest assured that he has Republicans locked down. He doesn't have to worry, they are not going anywhere. So, what can he do to reach out to get another constituency to help him? Because he doesn't have enough votes in the Congress to do it just with the Republicans only.


BAIER: There are 12 Senate Democrats up for reelection in 2018 from states where Donald Trump won 82 percent or more of the counties. So, you know, I think you will see him travel to those states and say, you know, this senator is not with me on X, Y, and Z.


BAIER: And make the case of leverage. I think because of the slow start and because of Democrats really going down the road of the Russian investigation, they felt emboldened and there may be some more leverage that the President and the administration have.

WILLIAMS: So, let me just say for a second, there are $30 million which was a tremendous boost to Trump's campaign in places like Pennsylvania, rural Pennsylvania, Ohio, Wisconsin. I think it was a difference maker in so many places. He is going to have to do something. And what he said today was you guys backed me and now I will come through for you. And what is exactly that agenda? Oh, concealed weapons. Making it easier to carry concealed weapons. And how about this one? Everybody should have a silencer on their gun. Oh, my God!

GUTFELD: I don't think that is what he said.

WILLIAMS: I think that is the NRA agenda.

PERINO: That's not what the President said.

GUILFOYLE: But that is not what the President said. Right, Dana?

WILLIAMS: That is what their push.

GUTFELD: I think you need a silencer.

WILLIAMS: Thank you.

GUTFELD: He's not going to be silent.

PERINO: We're going to talk about the Democrats, how are things looking for Democrats? One hundred days into the Trump administration? Here's an indicator from Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, who appears stumped by a reporter's questions about the future of his party.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Who is the leader of the Democratic Party, you?

SEN. CHUCK SCHUMER (D), NEW YORK: Well, we have a bunch of leaders. You know, I am certainly the leader of the Senate. And I tried to help represent the Democratic Party but we have a lot of very good voices. It's much too premature to handicap 2020.


PERINO: Bret, I would love to start with you on this. Because you are a little bit close to Washington. The Democrats seem still to be grappling with the loss from last November. And they don't have a national leader. There's a real party split. We just talked about, you know, the push for liberal purity. So that they can actually go beyond that. How would you think that their first 100 days went?

BAIER: I think pretty poor. They are in the wilderness. When you have the DNC Chair Tom Perez saying that pro-life Democrats essentially are not welcome in a speech, when you have a leader who can't really say where the party is in an elevator's speech, what their goals are, Peggy Noonan has a really great op-ed in "The Washington Post" --

WILLIAMS: "Wall Street Journal."

PERINO: "Wall Street Journal."

BAIER: "Wall Street Journal," I'm sorry. And it really nails it.

PERINO: Yes, he does. In fact, I have a full screen here, I would love to red you just a part of it. She says, "Mr. Trump has struggled so colorfully the past three months. We've barely notices his great good luck that in that time the Democratic Party and the progressive left have been having a very public nervous breakdown." Juan, is your party having a nervous breakdown?

WILLIAMS: Yes. I think they don't know. I think they're, you know, Dems in disarray. I don't think that they have it together. And they don't have a coherent message. I mean, the shocking news of the week was the "Washington Post" poll that had Trump beating Clinton if the election was held today. That is evidence that the Democrats haven't come up with a strong message. Like today, economic news. Not good under the first three months of President Trump. But do we think that Democrats have a counter message or counterpunch to Donald Trump? I do not see it right now. They have been unified in the Congress and that is where they will split among Republicans on things like ObamaCare, the deficit and the rest.

PERINO: But Greg, they are not able to actually talk about any of those things -- when you have, the message is from the left right now are coming from campuses. It's about shutting down speech.

GUTFELD: Yes. If you look at the parties or the leadership side-by-side and you look at Trump's actions versus Pelosi and Schumer, you have the -- one side, you have the Keystone Pipeline, the other side you got the Keystone cops. The complete bundlers. But having said that, it is in a way a reversed from 2008. The prediction of implosion never happens. It's a cycle that we all go through. We see it happens. People revealed.

But what the Dems have is a lot of vitriol. And because vitriol feels really good and they still not believe that all the Trump hate will translate into Democrat love. Like more that you're withering -- you humiliate, destroy or mock the Right or the Republicans, you think that that's going to build your brand. But you're just kind of spinning in the mud. Vitriol is like booze. It only feels good to you. No one else really feels it.

PERINO: Well, and I think Kimberly, that's actually a really good point about how --

GUTFELD: Thank you. Put that in your good point journal.

PERINO: Okay. I will. And it's not a good point journal.

GUILFOYLE: It's great.

PERINO: It is a great point journal.


PERINO: The fact is if they keep up the vitriol and the rhetoric, they can keep up the fundraising. If they lit up on the gas and they start to work with President Trump and the Republicans on any of this big ticket items, they're worried that that would dry up. And they can't just expect that Donald Trump is going to flail. He just solidified his base. I think stabilized his approval rating.

GUILFOYLE: Yes. And this is really true, Dana. This comes about the base and he turns about the money. They want to continue to fundraising so does Elizabeth Warren. Everybody wants to get reelected. It's about their constituents. So, they become quite vocal obstructionists. They feel that it will serve them as a disadvantage if they actually come to the table with the Republicans. Basically this party, if you look at it right now, the snapshot in American history, they are in tatters.

They have been reduced to what, 16 governors. Historically lowest number of legislative seats in terms of the representation. The person who is sort of the darling of the Democratic Party sits next to the head of the DNC but he refuses Bernie Sanders to call himself a Democrat. So, where did they go from here? They are rudderless, they are lacking inspiration and voice and they are just -- on vitriol.

BAIER: They have to have wins too. They have to have Ws to take home.

PERINO: Imagine if the Democrats were good at politics right now.

GUTFELD: But this stuff turns around fast.

PERINO: It does. So, I won't --

GUILFOYLE: So, stay tuned.


GUILFOYLE: It can happen right now.

GUTFELD: Yes. Stay tuned.

PERINO: Directly ahead, President Trump will not attend the White House Correspondents' Dinner tomorrow. We will going to tell you what he will be up to next, instead.


WILLIAMS: Welcome back. Friday night on "The Five." White House correspondents' dinner is tomorrow, Saturday night, but President Trump won't be there.


TRUMP: I would come next year, absolutely. Look, I'm treated very unfairly, and very dishonestly by the press and I thought it was inappropriate to go this year. If I were treated even slightly fairly by the press, I would have gone.


WILLIAMS: Instead, the president is going to hold a rally in Pennsylvania on Saturday night. It's not hard to see why Mr. Trump is upset at the press, given who is getting journalism awards these days. They include some of his critics, including Univision anchor Jorge Ramos, who today received Walter Cronkite Award for excellence in television political journalism. Look back at this exchange from then candidate Trump and Ramos in 2015.


TRUMP: Excuse me. Sit down. You weren't called. Sit down.


TRUMP: Sit down.

RAMOS: I'm not...

TRUMP: Sit down. Go ahead. No, you don't. You haven't been called.

RAMOS: I got the right.

TRUMP: Go back to Univision.


TRUMP: Sit down, please. You weren't called.


WILLIAMS: Wow. Not only it's Jorge Ramos getting an award, but Katy Tur, who is often a target of the president's criticism and Jake Tapper at CNN, they're getting awards. What do you think, Kimberly?

GUILFOYLE: You know, I don't think this is a bad idea that he doesn't attend, and I tell you why. I thought about it a lot. At first I thought, he should go, he is the president, make sure that, you know, like all the other presidents have gone and address them sort of take the punch. However, he also has said I will drain the swamp. I am not going to be part of the whole Washington, D.C. insider thing...


GUILFOYLE: So, he wants to be a man of the people. So, he's going back to his people that helped put him in the oval. So, in that sense, I have heard a lot of positives remarks and analysis about him doing this from people who are not necessarily his most ardent supporters from the beginning. Saying this works well with me. In fact, Meghan McCain said that.

WILLIAMS: I think that you will be there tomorrow night?

BAIER: I will. I think this is 15. I think I've been to 15.

WILLIAMS: Fifteen? I hate to tell you, but I have been to more.

BAIER: I know, but...


BAIER: ... you know how they go.

GUTFELD: At least you guys aren't insiders.

PERINO: Let's drain the swamp, shall we?

BAIER: Politically, this will really work for President Trump. To be out there in Pennsylvania giving a speech. I don't know if he is going to put a line in there about the media and the penguin suits and NBC. I assume he will.

GUILFOYLE: (inaudible).

BAIER: Yeah, exactly.


BAIER: And it will work. It will resonate. Because, you know, it is an insider thing. The comedians are going to be very anti-Trump, I am sure. He's probably going to rip on the president a lot.

PERINO: He will probably rip on the media too.

BAIER: And he will probably be in that list. But, I think that now, this is going to focus on journalism. And as far as these awards, they are voted on by other reporters and correspondents.

WILLIAMS: Right. But, you know, what struck me is that, this has been a difficult relationship with the president saying the press is the enemy, you have Woodward and Bernstein, Dana, the featured at the correspondents' dinner. "The Washington Post" now has a subhead that says democracy dies in darkness. Clearly aimed at President Trump.

PERINO: Well, here's the thing. I think it does work for him. He likes to fight with the press. However, he also likes the press. He has done I think today eight interviews within the last last 48 hours. Eight interviews leading up to his 100th day. He is also going to do a Sunday show I think on CBS.

He said he will go to the dinner next year. So I can't take a lot of -- I just think that he is going to go next year. He is going to continue with the media. Maybe he won't go. Who knows. I just think that he does like the media in a lot of ways because it works for him when they are working with him and it works for him when they are working against them.

WILLIAMS: And (inaudible) is going to be there.

BAIER: What?

WILLIAMS: No, no. He was on Tucker, sorry. Greg, are you going?

GUTFELD: No, I went twice and I hated it. Two groups I despise. Preening celebrities and it's what he want to be, desperate for selfies with preening celebrities. To me, it's really disgusting and I hate it. And Donald Trump has made another thing great again. He made the White House correspondents' dinner great again because before it was a bloated orgy of self congratulations and now you're going to have it with Woodward and Bernstein. It's going to be less flair, less pretense. It will be more of a journalism...

GUILFOYLE: Why don't you go?

GUTFELD: Because I have to work. I am doing a live show at that time. The unspeakable truth about this and it's what I love so much, that the Hollywood and media who will be there cannot accept the new president is more interesting than you. People are more interested in looking at Donald Trump than Chad Lowe. It's not going to happen. That's going to be your highlight, Chad Lowe.

My prediction for the comedians, they are going to hit all the targets. It is going to be Donald Trump, it will be Donald J. Trump, it will be Ivanka Trump, it will be Fox News, it will be Donald Trump, it will be Fox News. That is what they are going to do. That's going to be how broad they get because that's all they can do.

GUILFOYLE: We still want people to tuned into your show tomorrow night.

GUTFELD: I think it's right that Trump is not going. He screw them. Why should he be there entertaining? He knows what they're going to do.

WILLIAMS: He can (inaudible). Anyway, straight ahead, is pot legalization making things more dangerous for you on the road? That debate, when we come right back.


BAIER: A new report put out by the Governors Highway Association shows that in 2015, 43 percent of drivers tested in fatal accidents had used drugs. That's compared to 37 percent of drivers who were above the legal limit for alcohol. It is the first time ever that the drug driving figure tops the drunk driving tally and fatal accidents. What about this, Kimberly?

GUILFOYLE: This is something that I've really been focused on for a long time as a prosecutor in San Francisco and Los Angeles. When you start out in the D.A. office, you prosecute and handle a lot of drunk driving cases. What I saw was an increase in cases where people who were pulled over for being under the influence also of narcotics. And I think when you look at sort of the shift in this country and the epidemic of people addicted to opioids and other drugs, prescription pain medicine, it just become so prevalent in terms of the abuse of it and just wrecking families.

This is so significant and finally I feel like we are paying more attention to it. Just because of the sheer volume, the numbers that we are seeing in terms of deaths associated and just really prevalent substance abuse. It's devastating to families. People say oh, well, I would rather have somebody smoking pot or doing something like that behind the wheel than drinking. No, you don't want anyone who is under the influence to be behind the wheel of a car.

BAIER: Let me just say there is a clarification here, and that the 43 percent they had tested, they had drugs in their system, not that the drugs actually influenced or affected that crash. I mean...


GUILFOYLE: But how do you know?

BAIER: You don't know.

GUILFOYLE: That's the point.

BAIER: That's the problem.

WILLIAMS: But here is the thing I'm asking you to help because I've been fascinated by this opioid crisis in America and I think it is devastating. But when they say drugs, do they mean prescription drugs? Do they mean narcotics? Do they mean -- what do they mean?

BAIER: This study does not...

GUTFELD: This is a garbage study.


GUTFELD: They track 400 different drugs. Marijuana accounted for 35 percent, that is less than 37 percent of alcohol. People were instinctively thinking about marijuana when they read this report. Marijuana 35 percent, alcohol 37 percent. If you take away amphetamines and marijuana, the overwhelming -- over 50 percent are other medications.

They don't know the medications because they only tested 57 percent of the drivers. So even the research that they have isn't good. And the bigger question is, how many number of subjects had drugs in their system also had alcohol? That is a very big question.

GUILFOYLE: So why did you disagree with don't get behind the wheel of a car...


GUTFELD: It's the law. It's against the law.

GUILFOYLE: It's against the law, but also...

GUTFELD: That's not argument. I am arguing against the research.

GUILFOYLE: I understand that, may be perhaps the research isn't as detailed...

GUTFELD: That's my point.

GUILFOYLE: ... or significant as it should be.

GUTFELD: We are extrapolating from it.


GUTFELD: We are trying to make a point, and I am trying to say, read the research. If we are going to talk about studies, this is an amazing study. The rate of opioid overdose deaths decreased by 25 percent on average following the passage of medical marijuana laws. So when you actually pass medical marijuana laws, you save lives because they don't get on opioids. So before we extrapolate from this research into stuff that we don't know, I welcome the research.

GUILFOYLE: That's medical marijuana.



BAIER: Charles Krauthammer never says that. I'm good.

PERINO: No, I said you can go.

BAIER: A brazen armed robbery in Kansas City caught on tape. We will tell you how this terrifying situation turned out. But first, stay tuned for Facebook Friday. I think this is a little dangerous.

PERINO: Oh, my God!

GUTFELD: I'm still gonna talk about (inaudible).

PERINO: Are you excited?


BAIER: Up next.

GUTFELD: Saved by the bell, right?

PERINO: Saved by the bell. Saved by the bell.

GUTFELD: All right. Let's skip (inaudible) Facebook Friday.


GUILFOYLE: Oh, my God.

GUTFELD: We don't have any time for that. It's so bad. All right. From Alana C.

GUILFOYLE: So crazy.

GUTFELD: It is sad. What's the biggest change in each of your lives since you switched to 9:00 p.m. prime time slot. We'll go Kimberly around.

GUILFOYLE: No social life.

GUTFELD: You have a social life when you don't have a social life.

GUILFOYLE: Isn't it amazing.

GUTFELD: You attract people from all over the place when you are doing nothing. It is not fair, Juan.

WILLIAMS: I think it's not fair. Beautiful, young, and all that.

GUILFOYLE: Thank you, Juan.

WILLIAMS: Eating. Because eating is -- I like to eat...

GUTFELD: You eat.

WILLIAMS: ... and now I can't -- in fact I saw you the other day, I was just eating a pizza.

GUTFELD: You were eating. You had a slice of pizza in your pocket and it was disturbing.

WILLIAMS: Let's not go too far.

GUTFELD: He had a slice of pizza in his pocket.

WILLIAMS: All right.

GUILFOYLE: I keep pigs and a blanket in my pocket.

WILLIAMS: It's a pocket. What am I suppose to eat now?

GUTFELD: I don't know.

BAIER: I'm just here for the day.


GUILFOYLE: He is like I'm out of here.

PERINO: (inaudible) when to eat but I figured that out. The answer is 6:30. and then you are fine because you don't want to eat afterwards. And the best thing is I spend a lot more time with Jasper.

GUTFELD: Oh, isn't that beautiful, America? That's America's dog. You may not have heard of that dog. It changed my life. I do a lot less charity work. I like to help people at night. I go around the city. I can't do that anymore. All right. So, this is a good one. I will start with you, Dana. This is from Ed L. If you were given the chance to change one law, what would it be and why?

PERINO: With some restrictions, all the leash laws.

BAIER: Oh, my goodness.

GUTFELD: Of course another dog answer.

GUILFOYLE: You call (inaudible)

BAIER: Dog regulations.

GUTFELD: Do you feel the same way?

BAIER: Of course, sure. I will sign with you.

PERINO: Thank you.


BAIER: Executive order.

PERINO: One vote.

GUTFELD: Come on. Pick a law. Any law you could legalize. Anything you can change.

WILLIAMS: Jaywalking.

GUTFELD: Jaywalking?

PERINO: Have you ever got a ticket for it?

WILLIAMS: No, I got harassed, that's why I don't like it.

GUTFELD: How about...

GUILFOYLE: I don't know. I mean, I like all the laws.


GUILFOYLE: I love the law. I live for the law.

PERINO: How about Obamacare?

GUILFOYLE: I am the law.

GUTFELD: You are the law.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, down with Obamacare.

WILLIAMS: That's really worked out well for you guys.


GUILFOYLE: Throwing some shade.

GUTFELD: I would legalize every single remedy ever invented that has designed to alleviate physiological or psychological pain.

WILLIAMS: Marijuana?

GUTFELD: Every single drug.

WILLIAMS: This goes back to the last segment when you were pro-drugs.

GUTFELD: No. I just think nobody should have the right to ban your oblivion. You should have the right to seek out any kind of reduction in pain.

GUILFOYLE: You know, these are dramatic issues, lots of medication.

GUTFELD: No, who are you to tell somebody that they can't treat their pain and it could be psychological pain or physical pain. They are no different. They are exactly the same. They are the same part of the brain.

WILLIAMS: Addictive drugs, Greg.

GUTFELD: Why are they addictive, Juan? Because they work.

WILLIAMS: No, they could kill people...

GUTFELD: If you could cure pain in life, you can ban drugs.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my God. Somebody put on their cranky pants tonight.

BAIER: Okay.


GUILFOYLE: It's time now for one more thing and kick it off. Take a look at this heart-stopping surveillance footage showing a Jimmy John's employee remaining perfectly calm while being robbed at gunpoint on Wednesday. The suspect was arrested Thursday, charged today according to the Kansas City Police Department, and thanks in large part to the tips they received from the public after this video was widely circulated. Federal court with illegally possessing a firearm and just for you, law aficionado, he could also face state charges. Look how calm he was.

PERINO: Did he get like an extra bone or something?

GUTFELD: (inaudible).

GUILFOYLE: Well, he should, but you got to be calm. Do not argue with somebody with a gun. Don't be the hero.

GUTFELD: That guy must...

BAIER: You love every law.

GUILFOYLE: I love it. I love it. Someone with a gun is particularly I'm fond because it's an easy conviction. I am going to be hosting "Watters' World" with Greg Gutfeld live from 10:00 to 11:00.


PERINO: You seem to work nonstop all weekend.


PERINO: Okay. I want to do a circle of life one more thing. Today, there is a funeral for Kate O'Beirne. She was a really amazing woman. Conservative intellectual who was a luminary of the woman's movement. She sought a lot of young women out in D.C. to help us. She really helped us figured out a way to communicate very effectively. I think that the world will miss her very much. I know that her family really adored her. One of her sons I know is a police officer. I learned a lot from her, and she will be missed.

GUILFOYLE: God bless.

PERINO: And then the other thing that happened today is that my friend, Bethany and Seth Mandel pictured here. She is nine months pregnant. She went to the hospital yesterday twice, they sent her home, this is not happening today. In the middle of the night, okay, it's starting to happen.

He starts to drive her to the hospital from the first contraction to the delivery in the car outside of an auto parts store 45 minutes. Seth Mandel delivered the little boy. And the police department and the EMT, they showed up. Took them to the hospital. And everybody is doing well. Congratulations to the Mandel family.

WILLIAMS: Is his name Otto?

PERINO: Not announced.

GUILFOYLE: Very nice, Greg.

GUTFELD: Should name him Otto.

WILLIAMS: There you go.


GUTFELD: All right. What am I doing? Oh, show tomorrow night. 10 o'clock. It's live. It's live. I got Tom Shillue, somebody named Kimberly Guilfoyle (inaudible). That's tomorrow night. Now it's time for something new. "Greg's Amazing Quiz." I ask, you answer incorrectly. All right. First question is a tough one. What is -- that's not the question.


GUTFELD: How many times has President Trump tweeted in his first 100 days? The winner gets this jackalope. So make your guess. Go.

BAIER: 485.


PERINO: 215.




GUTFELD: You win the jackalope, Bret. It was 486. He tweeted later today.


GUTFELD: It went up to 487.

BAIER: Like the price is right.

GUTFELD: Yes. You are the closest. You get the jackalope. There is 37 cents in here, Bret.

GUILFOYLE: Wait, did he just tweet again?


BAIER: Well job.

GUILFOYLE: Mr. President, 488. A jackalope. Who knew?

WILLIAMS: For your spring weekend reading list, my book "We the People" is now out on paperback. It will discuss what the founding fathers would think of modern America. But, look at this. Yesterday was take your kids to work day even for the NFL draft and when Garett Bolles was selected by the Broncos, he brought his 4-month-old son, Kingston, on stage to get his jersey. He stole the show in his little gray suit. Come fall, he will be supporting the Broncos blue and orange. Congratulations.

GUILFOYLE: Great choice, very nice, excellent. Bret?

BAIER: Last one. The Bunny Mellon Healing Garden at Children's National Health System in Washington, D.C. opened today. It's an outside garden. The first lady, Melania Trump, was there. It's a garden dedicated to first ladies. It allows kids who are in the hospital to be outside and to get fresh air. And believe it or not, that is a really big deal. Melania Trump said some wonderful words today and obviously that place is close to our heart. Our son Paul had some surgeries there and it's a great place.

GUILFOYLE: Wonderful.

WILLIAMS: You know what? You are being humble. You have done so much for that hospital. People in Washington know Bret Baier away from news as a caring soul because of that effort.

BAIER: Thank you.

GUILFOYLE: Very generous. Loving father and husband, too. Been a pleasure having you here.


PERINO: Add it to your resume.

GUILFOYLE: All right. Buy his book, too. Set your DVR, never miss an episode of "The Five." We will see you back here on Monday at 9 o'clock eastern. "Hannity" is next.

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