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Gen. Keane: Trump wants the US to exercise global leadership

Fox News military analyst goes on 'Hannity' to compare the foreign policy strategies of Trump and Obama

 

This is a rush transcript from "Hannity," April 14, 2017. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, GUEST HOST: Welcome to this special edition of "Hannity," The Trump Doctrine.

I'm Kimberly Guilfoyle, in for Sean tonight.

President Trump is showing the world what leading from the front looks like by taking a very different approach to foreign policy than the Obama administration. Tonight for the hour, we'll explain how the Trump doctrine is starting to take shape and what it means both here at home and abroad.

The commander-in-chief's foreign policy moves have dominated the headlines by drawing a line in the sand with Syria over chemical weapons, calling out Russia, taking a tough stance with North Korea and by dropping the, quote, "mother of all bombs" on ISIS.

Let's take a look.

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DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Frankly, Putin is backing a person that's truly an evil person. The barbaric killing of small and helpless children and babies must be forcefully rejected by any nation that values human life.

We have a very big problem in North Korea. I really think that China is going to try very hard, and has already started. We'll see what happens, but we will be effective. I can promise you that.

SEAN SPICER, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: Their actions with respect to the missile launches is not tolerable.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Fox News can confirm now that the U.S. has dropped a large bomb in eastern Afghanistan.

SPICER: We targeted a system of tunnels and caves that ISIS fighters used to move around freely.

TRUMP: We have incredible leaders in the military and we have incredible military, and we are very proud of them. And this was another very, very successful mission.

SEBASTIAN GORKA, DEPUTY ASSISTANT TO THE PRESIDENT: We have changed the geopolitical reality in the world in just a matter of weeks.

TRUMP: Somebody said, Oh, Trump's not going to build the wall. I'm going to build the wall 100 percent. People aren't even trying to get through anymore because they know they can't.

JEFF SESSIONS, ATTORNEY GENERAL: This is a new era. This is a Trump era!

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GUILFOYLE: So what do President Trump's bold and decisive foreign policy actions mean going forward? Joining us now is Fox News military analyst, retired four-star general Jack Keane. General, thanks for being with us tonight.

Indeed, quite a busy week, especially as it relates to U.S. foreign policy, national security and a number of different geopolitical fronts. What do you think now, if you can compare and contrast for us the juxtaposition from President Trump's approach to foreign policy and how it differs from the previous administration?

GEN. JACK KEANE, U.S. ARMY (RET.), FOX NEWS MILITARY ANALYST: Yeah, we're seeing a dramatic change here. President Obama and President Trump are facing the same security challenges that are on a scale we have not seen since the end of World War II and the rise of the Soviet Union.

President Trump has definitely made a statement that he wants America to exercise global leadership. And he is acting decisively and responsibly, with a moral underpinning to it. And I'm absolutely convinced he's come to the conclusion when America is exercising this global leadership, the world and America is a safer place.

And when that leadership is weak, as it was during these last eight years, in my view, and when we disengage from the world, we embolden our adversaries and we weaken the relationship with our allies to the point that they start making bad decisions.

President Trump has spent the first 84 days reassuring our allies around the world, in Europe, in the Far East, in the Middle East that the United States intends to exercise its responsible leadership role in the world. And that is great news for our country and also for our allies out there.

GUILFOYLE: And what does it mean to you, you know, personally and for the military people that you speak to that this president is allowing them to act and engage, giving them the support that they need, especially in the field?

KEANE: Yeah, that is the way it normally is. And the last eight years, it was not that way. Recall three secretary of defenses all had challenges with President Obama in the execution of their duties-- Secretary Gates, Secretary Panetta, and Secretary Hagel was fired over it. The issues were the same, micromanaging the military.

What President Trump has said-- Listen, when we're involved in conflict operations in Iraq, in Afghanistan, other places where we're already there, already committed, what you do with your forces are your decisions. How you use air power is your decisions. How you maneuver forces, those are your decisions. You don't need to get our permission, and we're certainly not going to second-guess those decisions.

What gets-- what-- the result of that, Kimberly, is that we actually make better decisions. And the fact is, the forces are more effective because they can adapt to an enemy that is changing as the days go by. And when you're able to do that and you don't have to ask permission, we're very responsive in getting on top of that enemy.

So all of those leaders out there truly applaud that decision to give them the authority and the responsibility to exercise their duties. They love what's happening here.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah, and we saw that just, you know, this week now with Afghanistan, and get your reflections on the decision to use that bomb in the area that they used it in. It seems to me this was a smart move strategically, too, and also a little bit of a wake-up call to Pakistan.

KEANE: Oh, yeah, absolutely. Listen, what we were doing there-- this is ISIS, the Khorasan group in Afghanistan. There were several hundred in a safe haven and caves there, bona fide safe haven. A major lesson we learned out of 9/11-- we permitted the al Qaeda to have a safe haven, by the way, not too far from where the strike was, for a number of years. And by permitting them to do that, we got 9/11, that disaster and that horrific event. That is a major lesson learned.

When we find radical Islamists in a safe haven or sanctuary, we have got to pounce on them. And that is what Nichols (sic) did, the general in charge over there. He recognized that-- they tried to do it with infantry forces, took casualties. If I keep doing that, the casualties are just going to rise. What's the biggest thing I can do to take this thing down? Air Force had an answer for him, and he made the right decision here.

He broke the back of that safe haven that ISIS has in Afghanistan. And that's good news for the people of Afghanistan certainly and the Afghan military and also for us because ISIS is an out-of-region organization. They are after Western civilization's values, and they intend to do everything they can to destroy it. So when we find them in a safe haven, we've got to destroy them.

GUILFOYLE: Absolutely. And a lot of this traffic back and forth across that border with Pakistan, this-- you know, this needs to stop, especially with the U.S. giving so much aid to Pakistan, as well.

So let's talk a bit about North Korea. You know, a lot of people, eyes on North Korea for this weekend, very unstable place right now. What do you see as the U.S. role? What can President Trump do and also working in accord with the president of China, President Xi?

KEANE: Yeah, well, a couple of things here. First of all, the strike carrier group-- their mission is really to reassure South Korea, reassure Japan that we have got their back, that things have changed. That's why Secretary Mattis has been out to the region. Secretary Tillerson's been out to the region. And obviously, President Trump has met with some of the key leaders from the region. So that's number one.

Obviously, the strike carrier group sends a message to North Koreans and the Chinese, reminding them of the significant military options that the United States has in its toolkit here. And this is about as significant as it gets.

Secondly, the phone call from President Xi on Wednesday night to President Trump following up to the Mar-a-Lago weekend bilateral meetings is incredibly significant. President Xi told President Trump that, I'm willing-- this was an hour-long conversation, longer because of interpreters, to be sure. But he told him that, I am willing to move in the direction of denuclearizing North Korea.

That is a stunning statement! Three presidents prior to President Trump have tried to get the Chinese to do the same thing, 20-plus years of it, and it has failed miserably.

If this turns into action and it's not just rhetoric, then President Trump has made a major, major geopolitical achievement to make the world a safer place. We have to see action behind those words.

GUILFOYLE: Absolutely. And that's one of the areas that many analysts feel is of greatest concern and threat to the United States, is that instability and that dictatorship in North Korea.

So where do you think, at this point now, President Trump should be focusing his attention because he's got a lot of irons in the fire? Syria-- what should we be doing about Bashar al Assad?

KEANE: Well, the Bashar al Assad situation in Syria is really a tough situation because we squandered all the opportunities, Kimberly, over the last number of years to really make a difference and to change the momentum against the regime.

HANNITY: So true.

KEANE: The regime is solidified and consolidated. Now, we got to be honest about it. The Russians and the Iranians have propped up Assad. The Alawite regime is not going anyplace, anyplace. And all the rhetoric that we're going to find a political solution-- it's not happening.

Assad may be a liability personally because he's reckless, and Putin would trade him out for another Alawite leader, also a thug, I would assume, and we wouldn't make much progress. But bringing that situation to an accommodation where the Syrian people are going to feel good about it, it's not going to happen.

We're going to go focus on ISIS. That's what we should do. We should defeat ISIS in eastern Syria. We've got to get that done. Let's get that cleaned up. And then after that, we may be able to have some influence in the Syrian civil war. I don't believe we should get in the middle of it. I think that would be a disaster. But we have squandered the options, and it's tragic because we got 500,000 people dead. We've got four million refugees.

HANNITY: Awful, yeah.

KEANE: And that killing is still going to go on.

GUILFOYLE: You're right. It's become so much worse, you know, in terms of an intractable problem because the Iranians and the Russians were able to move into those key airbases and those fields, and so it really complicates the problem from, you know, a mission perspective in terms of what you can do and what targets you can hit, and we saw that just most recently.

General Jack Keane, I could talk to you all night. I want to thank you so much for being here and for your service.

KEANE: Yeah, it's great talking to you, Kimberly. Good seeing you.

GUILFOYLE: Thank you so much.

Coming up next, right here on this special edition of "Hannity"--

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GORKA: It's stunning! Obama's own principals, their own secretaries, talk about NSC meetings that last for 3 to 4 hours with nobody taking a decision! That was the last eight years. That was the reality of the red lines.

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GUILFOYLE: Special counselor to the president Dr. Sebastian Gorka explains the difference between the current commander-in-chief and Barack Obama. Ric Grenell is here next with reaction.

And later, the U.S. military has released video of the massive mother of all bombs non-nuclear strike on ISIS tunnels that killed 36 jihadists in Afghanistan. Retired brigadier general Tony Tata and Michael Waltz join us next.

That and more as this special edition of "Hannity: The Trump Doctrine," continues.

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GUILFOYLE: Welcome back to this special edition of "Hannity: The Trump Doctrine." President Trump's foreign policy approach (ph) is much different than that of Barack Obama. Listen to how special counselor to the president Dr. Sebastian Gorka describes that.

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GORKA: If you read the memoirs of Secretary Gates, of Secretary Panetta, it's stunning! Obama's own principals, their own secretaries, talk about NSC meetings that last for 3 to 4 hours with nobody taking a decision! That was the last eight years. That was the reality of the red lines. Along comes President Trump, that's gone. We have a threat, we promise to deal with it, and we're dealing with right now.

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GUILFOYLE: We are seeing what Dr. Gorka is talking about play out with North Korea. And here's President Trump taking a tough stance with the rogue regime over nuclear weapons.

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TRUMP: North Korea is a problem. The problem will be taken care of. I will say this. I think China has really been working very hard.

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GUILFOYLE: Here with reaction is former spokesman for the United States ambassador to the U.N., Ric Grenell. Ric, thanks for being with us. Tonight, so many people are (ph) mind (ph) the focus on North Korea, what might happen next. Do you believe that the president is correct to rely on China so heavily with North Korea?

RIC GRENELL, FMR. SPOKESMAN FOR U.S. AMBASSADOR TO THE U.N.: Absolutely. I think China is the key here, and we haven't been successful in breaking through with China to get them to understand that this is an important issue for us. And it makes sense because China is not threatened by North Korea, so it's not a priority for the Chinese government.

However, this meeting between Trump and Xi down at Mar-a-Lago I think was timed perfectly. And something happened that I have never seen in diplomacy in all my years, and that was Donald Trump made perfectly clear to President Xi that we are willing to use all the tools in the tool belt of the U.S. government in order to accomplish our foreign policy goals.

What he said to the president of China was this. You are going to get a better trade deal from us if you help us out on North Korea. Now, Kimberly, I've been inside the Security Council, sitting across from the Russians and the Chinese for almost a decade. And we U.S. diplomats usually are forced to make moral arguments. We say to the Russians, we say to the Chinese, You must do the right thing because it's what the international community says you should do, or it's in your best interests. We are not very good at linking commerce or agriculture or treasury and banking issues.

Donald Trump has made it perfectly clear that in order for the Chinese to get a very good trade deal, which they care about, they're going up to do something on North Korea. That was a brilliant move and it happened to be something new that diplomats seldom, if ever, do.

GUILFOYLE: I mean, you just wonder about that because it makes such sense as kind of strategic diplomacy, bargaining to make sure, to say, if you want this, we have some mutual interests, but this is something that's important to us and we need you to step up in terms of exerting pressure. It seems like, Wow, why wasn't this done before? And why didn't the Barack Obama administration do anything to kind of further stabilize the area, that area of the region and with North Korea?

GRENELL: Right. It's exactly, I think-- as you say, it seems common sense. But it's common sense for a businessman. It's common sense for people outside of Washington. It's not common sense for politicians. Remember, Donald Trump is very proud of being flexible--

GUILFOYLE: Yes.

GRENELL: --and being somebody who is flexible in negotiations. That is what Americans want to see.

For politicians, that's a bad word. Most people in Washington, D.C., mock and ridicule somebody who is flexible. In business, you go in with the position that is stated very clearly as what your goal is, but you realize when someone across the table doesn't have the same goal, that you have to bargain. You have to be flexible. That is 101 of business, but it is not something that politicians value, and I think that that's why Washington is having such a hard time with Donald Trump's style.

GUILFOYLE: What I'm wondering at this hour is, you know, can-- can we trust China? Can the United States trust their government and really count on them to get this done?

GRENELL: Well, let me-- let me put it this way. We can trust that China wants a really good trade deal, that they care about the economy. They're having a tough time when you-- when they look at a long-term economic plan for China. There are, you know, a lot of poor people in China. There's a lot of very concerning economic situations on the horizon for China. There are UNICEF, U.N. workers, inside China helping them feed their people.

So the one thing that we can be confident of is that China cares about economic issues, and therefore, when we tie those economic issues to the fact that they've got to help us on North Korea, then I think we're getting their attention.

Don't forget, Kimberly, that after their meeting in Mar-a-Lago, President Xi went back to China and moved 175,000 troops to the Chinese border with North Korea.

GUILFOYLE: Yes.

GRENELL: That is a signal that he understands what's going on. He saw Syria. And he also understands that he's got to put pressure on the North Koreans because Donald Trump has a credible threat of military action.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, and President Trump has now made it the equivalent of diplomatic skin in the game for China to achieve the goals that they want with respect to trade. Very well explained. Thank you so much, Ric.

Coming up-- the U.S. military has released video of the mother of all bombs, a non-nuclear strike on ISIS tunnels in Afghanistan that killed 36 terrorists. Retired brigadier general Tony Tata and Michael Waltz join us next.

And later--

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SESSIONS: The border is not open. Please don't come. You will be apprehended if you do come and you will be deported promptly. And if you're a criminal, you'll be prosecuted.

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GUILFOYLE: U.S. Attorney General Jeff Sessions tells illegal immigrants that the southern border is now closed! Richard Fowler and former sheriff Paul Babeu will weigh in.

Stay with us as this special edition of "Hannity," "The Trump Doctrine," continues.

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GUILFOYLE: Welcome back to this special edition of "Hannity: The Trump Doctrine." Yesterday, the Trump administration sent a strong message to ISIS by dropping what's called the, quote, "mother of all bombs" on ISIS tunnels in Afghanistan. And today, the U.S. military released video of the massive non-nuclear blast and details of the mission, saying 36 ISIS fighters were killed in the strike.

President Trump is also reacting to the major show of force in the fight against ISIS. Watch this.

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TRUMP: --very, very proud of the people (INAUDIBLE) really another successful job. We're very, very proud of our military. Everybody knows exactly what happened, so-- and what I do is, I authorize my military. We have the greatest military in the world, and they've done a job, as usual. So we have given them total authorization. And that's what they're doing.

And frankly, that's why they've been so successful lately. If you look at what's happened over the last eight weeks and compare that to what-- really to what's happened over the last eight years, you'll see there's tremendous efforts.

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GUILFOYLE: Joining us now with reaction is the author of "Besieged," retired brigadier general Tony Tata and retired U.S. Army Special Forces officer Michael Waltz. Thanks for being with us tonight, gentlemen, to discuss this, the Trump doctrine.

And want to discuss what happened in Afghanistan, the fight against ISIS. Give me your best shot and what kind of impact do you think this bomb will have on ISIS in Afghanistan, General.

BRIG. GEN. TONY TATA, U.S. ARMY (RET.): Well, Kimberly, great to be with you. I really think the Trump doctrine is one of peace through strength. It's very Reaganesque. When I think back to Jimmy Carter and Reagan coming in and the hostages being held by Iran and not released until Reagan was sworn in, it's pretty much the same thing.

I think all around the world, people are beginning to recognize that we are a powerful country. We're not passive anymore. We're not going to be bowing down to our enemies and apologizing. We're going to assert our strength.

And so Mick Nicholson, the general in Afghanistan, made a tactical decision to drop this mother of all bombs on this ratline that goes into Pakistan, but it has strategic implications. And part of the elements of power at play here--sure, we've got the military destroying ISIS in Pakistan and on the Afghan border, and we're also using information. That's-- that's you know, the big reason that this video is being released is because it's an information play to show the world what we can do, much like we did with the Tomahawks and the cruise missiles in Syria.

So lots of elements of national power at play, political, diplomatic, informational, military all coming together to have peace through strength. And we've got to fight our way out of this hole that the Obama administration dug us into.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah, it's like catching up, you know, with a huge deficit at halftime and needing to come back with a big win.

TATA: That's right.

GUILFOYLE: Michael, what else do you think that we need to do in Afghanistan to fight against ISIS and even al Qaeda, for that matter?

MICHAEL WALTZ, U.S. ARMY SPECIAL FORCES (RET.): Well, I mean, I just wanted to add to General Tata's comment there. You know, there's been a lot of discussion on what message the cruise missiles, the dropping of the MOAB sends, and what's key is that the commander on the ground did not have to "Mother, may I" back to Washington to use the appropriate ordnance.

And that sends a critical message to the U.S. military that your commander in chief trusts you. He recognizes that you are the best trained and equipped military in the world, and he's not going to have him or his staff second-guessing you from Washington.

There was story after story from Panetta, from Gates, from Hagel, Obama's secretaries of defense, of National Security Council staffers calling commanders in the field and second-guessing their strategy and their tactical moves. There was this kind of obsession with civilian casualties.

I can tell you as a commander, a green beret, we all understand the implications of that on the ground. I don't need Washington calling and asking me about that. And then you had pilots, as ISIS is charging across Iraq taking over the Middle East, and we finally engage our air force, and you have pilots coming back with their wings still on the bombs -- I'm sorry, bombs still on the wings, and 75 percent of sorties not allowed to drop because we had this obsession with zero civilian casualties.

And the irony there, as we all know, is ISIS went on and massacred tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of civilians. So I think the overall message geopolitically is important, but the message to the U.S. military that we are going to let you do your job and that the commander- in-chief is not going to be worried about strategy -- what success looks like -- some of that is still developing granted but the military is going to be allowed to do what it does best. And that we understand that diplomacy has to work hand-in-hand with military force in order for either one to work.

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, FOX NEWS ANCHOR: General Tata, General Keane was on earlier and said the same thing. This of the big game changer for the U.S. military to say that, look, we are behind you. We have a president and a commander-in-chief that's going to let you do the job, that's going to let you do the missions and make sure that you have the military might to back it up.

BRIGADIER GENERAL TONY TATA (RET), "BESIEGED" AUTHOR : That's right, Kimberly. It's called commander's intent in the military. When the commander's intent is broad guidance that you want your subordinate commanders to execute, and you train them and then they go forward and execute your intent. The commander-in-chief's intent, President Trump's intent, is that we kill the enemies of this nation. They are threats everywhere. You look at Iran, you look at Syria, you look at Russia, you look at North Korea, you look at ISIS. Everywhere we're being turned we are being crowded by our enemies to whom we have apologized or given billions of dollars. And now we're trying to fight our way out of this thing.

Pakistan, you name it, ISIS is they are. And so suddenly what we have to do is fire our way out of this thing and reestablish our preeminence so we can protect our liberties, protect our vital interests and plan properly with the national security council now looking at ends, ways, and means, and taking a hard look at U.S. vital interests, threats to those vital interests, calling Islamic extremism a threat, and actually attacking that threat to try to eliminate it so that we can live freely for an enduring time.

GUILFOYLE: All right, fantastic. Gentlemen, thank you so much for being here with me tonight and have a wonderful Easter and Passover weekend.

And coming up next right here on this special edition of "Hannity."

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JEFF SESSIONS, U.S. ATTORNEY GENERAL: The border is not open. Please don't come. You will be apprehended if you do, and you will be deported promptly. If you are a criminal, you will be prosecuted.

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GUILFOYLE: U.S. Attorney General Jeff Sessions says the southern border is now closed as President Trump moves forward with his plans to build a wall. Richard Fowler and former sheriff Paul Babeu are here with reaction. And later --

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TRUMP: We will end the political correctness and force a free and respectful dialogue.

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GUILFOYLE: That was then candidate Donald Trump blasting political correctness. He's continued to do so as president. Charlie Kirk and Jessica Tarlov will be here later. That and much more straight ahead on "Hannity."

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TRUMP: Somebody said, oh, Trump's not going to build a wall. I'm going to build the wall 100 percent. In fact we have hundreds of bidders. We have many, many designs. I've seen of the top but I want to see more. And what I'm doing is I said to our very great secretary, he's really doing a great job, General Kelly, because you see the numbers where they're down 68 percent. Nobody has ever seen numbers. It's like a record. In fact people aren't even trying to get through anymore because they know they can't.

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GUILFOYLE: That was President Trump talking to Maria Bartiromo about his plans for the border wall, and earlier this week here on "Hannity" attorney general Jeff Sessions told Sean the border is no longer open. Take a look.

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SESSIONS: The most important thing for us is to send a message to the world that the border is not open. Please don't come. You will be apprehended if you do come, and you will be deported promptly. And if you're a criminal, you will be prosecuted. And if you assault our officers, we're going to come at you with a ton of bricks. This is the kind of message we need to send. It's already being sent, it's having a dramatic impact so far.

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GUILFOYLE: Joining me now is Fox News contributor Richard Fowler and former Pinal County, Arizona, Sheriff Paul Babeu. Gentlemen, thanks for being here, gentlemen. Lots of news this week, but first off to you, has the administration done a good job so far in terms of signaling that it is a new era and illegal immigration will not be tolerated, sheriff?

PAUL BABEU, FORMER PINAL COUNTY, ARIZONA, SHERIFF: Absolutely. Wow. What a strong, powerful message from Attorney General Sessions. Not just the words but followed up with actions. He is actually directing all U.S. attorneys to target and prosecute criminal illegals, those who are repeat offenders, continue to come into this country illegally, and hiring additional 125 immigration judges so this whole backlog could be solved and deport these criminals who really pose a risk to our entire community.

This is all after President Trump has actually taken executive actions and actually ordering the enforcement of the law. You have seen these executive orders roll out, and it ends catch and release, which was the rule of the day under Obama, and then also targeting the million criminal illegals throughout the country that law enforcement are going to work together to target them, to apprehend them, and then to deport them for good.

And then of course the signature is to build the great wall. The president himself has personally been looking, reviewing these plans. We know him as a great builder. And this is going to be done. These are no longer just promises, they're not campaign piece. We are seeing action, resulting evidence 70 percent now reduction in illegal entries crossing the border illegally.

GUILFOYLE: A huge number drop. Richard, you have a lot to work with right there, so where do you want to begin?

RICHARD FOWLER, FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR: A couple points. I think what we know for a fact is over the past 20 years we have seen a decrease in border crossing. We've had those research and studies from the border patrol. But beyond that point is we know this -- in President Trump's budget, he has allocated $51 billion to go to build this so called unpractical, unrealistic, and I would argue un-American walls. But this money is being taken away from American students who need textbooks in the city of Detroit or American citizen in Chicago who don't have heat in their classrooms because the department of education is taking a 14 percent cut.

So we have to really have a conversation with ourselves as Americans as to how we balance protecting our border, quote-unquote, and making sure that we are enriching our future. If we really want to, quote-unquote, make America great again, then let's invest in America's kids, let's invest in our greatest resource.

And I would go further to make one other point about this sort of Trump era and this Trump Justice Department. I don't ascribe to it because I find a lot of our policies to be taking our country backwards instead of moving us forwards as we should. We are a nation of immigrants, and we have 11 million of them here living in the shadows, and we need to do everything in our power to make sure that we deal with those undocumented immigrants and provide them a pathway to citizenship.

GUILFOYLE: Richard, well stated, but we are also a nation of laws, and I worked as a prosecutor in San Francisco and Los Angeles, and I saw repeated abuses, the laws that were not followed. Dangerous things have happened in sanctuary cities like San Francisco, and what's wrong with actually enforcing the laws that are on the books currently, Richard?

FOWLER: I have no problem enforcing the laws that are currently on the books. And I have no problem with deporting people who are ax murderers, rapists, and child abusers. But what we see under Donald Trump's America is you're deporting people who haven't paid their traffic tickets.

BABEU: That's not true.

GUILFOYLE: No, no.

FOWLER: No, no. That's actually true. You can pull the Miami Herald. There's a Haitian national who was deported from Miami because he did not pay his traffic ticket. Point blank.

GUILFOYLE: You two seconds, Paul.

BABEU: Certainly. He gave this whole speech about America. The United States has a proud history of accepting legal immigrants. We accept a million year legally. And how about putting Americans and our citizens, as the president has promised, first, instead of the lawlessness that's gone on under Obama?

GUILFOYLE: Gentlemen, we're going to have to leave it right there. Coming up next right here on the special eat edition of "Hannity."

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TRUMP: We will end the political correctness and force a free and respectful dialogue.

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GUILFOYLE: That was candidate Donald Trump criticizing political correctness. He has been doing the same thing as president. Charlie Kirk and Jessica Tarlov are here next to weigh, that and much more as HANNITY continues.

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TRUMP: In the past few decades, political correctness, oh, what a terrible term, has transformed our institutions of higher education from ones that fostered spirited debates to a place of extreme censorship where students are silenced for the smallest of things. You say a word somewhat differently and all of a sudden you are criticized, sometimes viciously. We will end the political correctness and force a free and respectful dialogue.

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GUILFOYLE: That with a flashback to then candidate Donald Trump promising to fight back against political correctness at America's colleges and universities and for good reason. This month alone we have seen protests at Notre Dame over a schedule commencement speech from Vice President Mike Pence because it's making some students feel, quote, "unsafe."

Also this month at California's Claremont Mckenna College, a speech by Heather McDonald was disrupted by Black Lives Matter protesters who physically blocked the entrances to her advents. And now at Duquesne University, some members of the student government association are working to block a Chick-fil-A from coming to campus out of concerns over, quote, "student safety."

So how can President Trump work to change this culture at America's universities? Joining us now from Turning Point USA, Charlie Kirk, and Democratic strategist and director of research at Bustle.com Jessica Tarlov. Thank you both for being here with us tonight. Jessica, you look at the news cycle and you see these stories happening over and over again. And I guess the first question would be what causes this liberal groupthink mentality in higher education that seems quite pervasive, Jessica?

JESSICA TARLOV, DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST: I think of a lot of it obviously has to do with the professors themselves. We know the majority of professors are liberal, and I don't think actually there has to be anything wrong with that. I think what we need to get back to understanding is what the First Amendment is all about.

And I think that when you have protests at some of these speeches, that's fine, violence never fine. Maybe blocking the doors is going too far.

But the complication for me with all of this is that when it distracts from actual issues of hate speech or racism. We saw this last year in the big story at the University of Missouri. There were actual incidents going on. And then you had that professor who said we need some muscle in here. And a complicated issue and the national story became about her and not what was actually going on on that campus.

So there is a middle ground and it's incredibly important that we listen to the other side here, but I think that has to start with the professors and also the national dialogue.

GUILFOYLE: Charlie, it just seems to me you're supposed to get a great education in college, have an open mind, listen to other people's viewpoints, as Jessica is saying, but it's really what we're saying is this movement of stamping down diversity of thought and opinion to a groupthink that isn't healthy for America's youth.

CHARLIE KIRK, FOUNDER, TURNING POINT USA: That's right. And Jessica brings a great point. This actually does the far leftwing campus activists a disservice when they want to point out real hate speech on campus. Trying to bring a Chick-fil-A to campus is all of a sudden considered dangerous and unsafe? Are they worried that delicious chicken sandwiches are going to make students unsafe? Essentially they are saying is "We disagree with the owners of Chick-fil-A. Therefore it should not be opened on campus."

You bring up a great point about diversity. One of the students at Notre Dame that was protesting the potential visit for commencement speech for Vice President Pence, he had a sign that said "Diversity is our strength." I agree, but it should be intellectual diversity is our strength. Racial diversity is great, but we need to get back to being able to entertain ideas that you don't agree with. And our colleges are not fostering those discussions.

And unfortunately Notre Dame is one of the greatest schools in the country and it had students even given an audience to say we shouldn't have the vice president of the United States because we disagree with him. I don't think that's what college is supposed to be about. I think Jessica agrees with that. And I don't believe it's good for the country, it's good for the dialogue to continue to silence people you disagree with. On these campuses, there's no my diversity of thought, and I think it's a dangerous precedent to be set.

GUILFOYLE: It really is. And I encourage people to go and speak at universities, Jessica, to have an open dialogue. I've spoken at Cornell and it was well received, better than poor Jesse Watters who was booted off campus. But it makes no sense to me. I come from San Francisco, very liberal, very open-minded place. U.C. Davis, I am familiar with the U.C. system. It wasn't like that then. This has gotten so out of hand that it worries me that we are sending our youth and they are coming out of college ill prepared to deal with the reality of life. Nobody's going to give you--

TARLOV: You can't pick your coworkers. You're going to go and get a job and there are going to be people there who think things that are different from you. I know last year we also saw that Jason Riley was disinvited from UVA. WE had issues with Ray Kelly, former New York City police commissioner. I think that was at Brown.

The most useful thing that you can do, I believe strongly, and I come on here and I talk to people who are conservatives all the time because I think it's the best used of my time to put out my viewpoints and what I think is an arguably constructive, is to make sure that you show up and you present your rationality of your case so that they most amount of people can hear what you have to assay.

So go to those rallies, go to those speeches, raise your hand, get called on, submit a question, write a letter to the editor and papers. But don't get a violent and don't distract from this, because I think the liberals, and maybe this is not the far, far left, but we have important things to say about the dangers of the Trump administration and many of these policies, about what Mike Pence believes. You can pick them apart on policy, but it's really important to show up and be constructive about it, to move forward.

GUILFOYLE: I think that such great advice. Charlie, what is your advice for kids out there, conservative students that want to go to university?

KIRK: So I am a big fan of students trying to go to schools like Hillsdale that are more conservative schools. But if you're a conservative don't be afraid to go to the very liberal schools and stand up to what you believe in. And be the champions of free speech. As Jessica noted, that's something that is not always being fought for today on our college campuses. And it's being eroded quickly.

And look, you have to be able to not just fight for what you want to say but also fight for things you might not want to hear. That's what free speech is all about. And what's going on on the campuses right now is that the administrators and the faculty are encouraging some very far left wing activist voices to silence conservatives.

And I pose a question to liberals on campus, if you're so confident on what you believe in, shouldn't you want more conservatives on campus so you can prove them wrong? Why try to shut them down? Why try to disprove them? Encourage more conservative voices and then show them why they're so wrong. Don't try to storm the stage, don't try to block the door, don't try to riot or do dangerous protests or even in the sense of Duquesne University, don't shut down a private business. I think that's so deconstructive of what college --

TARLOV: It totally is, but I think that it's also beholden to conservatives to play a part in this and to call out what is more towards hate speech. People in the alt right, I think it's important to distinguish what is just conservativism, a relatively safe ideology as it were, certainly in terms of the more mainstream Republicans -- to separate that from the Richard Spencers of the world.

KIRK: Chick-fil-A is not hate speech, though. So it totally delegitimizes these activists to say Chick-fil-A must be gone because it's hate speech. Vice president Pence because it's hate speech, Heather McDonald because it's hate speech.

TARLOV: I've moved on from the chicken, but there are voices out there that are dangerous.

GUILFOYLE: Missing out on all that tasty chicken, their loss. But if you can get a Pence or a Condoleezza Rice or Petraeus them to show at your school and give a speech, come on. You are pretty lucky. You should open your ears and your mind and listen. We have made a great start tonight. Thank you so much.

And coming more of this special edition of "Hannity: The Trump Doctrine."
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