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Trump says he won't broadcast how US may respond to Syria

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This is a rush transcript from "The Five," April 5, 2017. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: Hello everyone, I'm Dana Perino along with Kimberly Guilfoyle, Bob Beckel, Eric Bolling and Greg Gutfeld. It's 5 o'clock in New York City, and this is "The Five."

Will America respond to yesterday's deadly chemical attack in Syria? Today, President Trump addressed the atrocity in a news conference with Jordan's King Abdullah.

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DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: These heinous actions by the Assad regime cannot be tolerated. When you kill innocent children, innocent babies, babies, little babies with a chemical gas that is so lethal, people were shocked to hear what gas it was. That crosses many, many lines. I will tell you, that attack on children yesterday had a big impact on me. Big impact. It was a horrible, horrible thing. It doesn't get any worse than that.

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PERINO: The images out of Syria are absolutely heart wrenching. We must warn you that they are very disturbing. It was another suspected attack on civilians by President Bashar Assad's government. Mr. Trump says he has a responsibility to handle the ongoing crisis but he will not publicly say how he will.

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TRUMP: One of the things I think you've noticed about me is militarily I don't like to say where I'm going and what I'm doing. And I watched past administrations say we will attack at such and such a day at such and such an hour. I'm not saying I'm doing anything one way or the other but I'm certainly not going to be telling you.

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PERINO: Bob, let me start with you today about -- to give us a little bit of history about how important the role of Jordan has been, in particular how vulnerable it is being on the border with Syria and having to take in all of those refugees, almost as many as their own native population.

BOB BECKEL, CO-HOST: You know, Jordan is the only -- there are only two Arab countries that it recognizes, one being Egypt and the other one being Jordan. Jordan came in to alliance with Israel in the mid- 90s when Bill Clinton was president. But let's keep it more at the West Bank that Israel now controls was Jordan and they abdicated (ph) that land. They made a couple of big deals.

But the problem for them is much bigger than Syria and that's what they're worried about. And for the life of me, when the president says, you know, it's crossed the line and we obviously know who he's referring to before. But it does sound like you're going to have to take some kind of action which I think would be dangerous. Syria is just the wrong place for us to be.

PERINO: Well that was, you know, back in 2013 when, or 2012, when this was being discussed and President Obama said that if Assad crossed the red line then there would be consequences. And then Assad did that and there were no consequences. The point of that day is the one that led to all of the resulting growth of ISIS. So, at the time, President Trump, who was then a civilian Trump, said President Obama, don't do it. But obviously things have changed. Now that you're a commander-in-chief, it looks a lot different.

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: Yes, and if you listen to that press conference today, he said that himself. He said, "Look, I haven't seen it this way for a long time." He wasn't in favor of getting more aggressive with Bashar al-Assad and Syria until he saw the images of the children. You can see he was very emotionally moved by those images, as we all are. They're hard to watch. It's horrible what's going on there.

But can I point out, to his credit he said, you know, I'm evolving on this. I see what's going on, the atrocities. By the way, you can do things that change your mind on certain actions that you are willing to take and this may have been the one that changes President Trump's mind. But let's talk a little bit about what's going on in the administration this week.

This is a massive national security foreign policy week for the Trump administration. You had Egypt coming in -- Bob you pointed out Egypt coming in yesterday. You have Jordan coming in today. Jared Kushner goes to Iraq. China is coming in tomorrow. Syria, you know, Trump moves his position on what he may or may not do without showing his hand. I think this is a big important week in the Trump admnistratio.

BECKEL: It's huge. It's huge.

BOLLING: And so far, you know, this may not shock anyone. I'm very impressed with what I'm seeing.

PERINO: Why?

BOLLING: Because I think they are addressing the problem, like Syria is a -- because remember, President Trump has a very tight rope to walk with. He wants to stay friendly and close with the Russians because, you know, he's that -- this is the way it's been for a year and a half. He feels that President Obama failed in Syria, turned it over to the Russians. So he has a relationship that he wants to continue with the Russians, yet the Russians are backing Syria.

To this day, Russia still say it looks like it was not Bashar al-Assad who killed the people. It looks like it was the rebel fighters who killed the people which is contrary to what everyone else understands.

PERINO: Because, Kimberly, everyone knows the rebel fighters weren't giving any equipment in order to carry out such move (ph) anyway.

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: To carry out a specific chemical attack and this is why this has become so incredibly complicated with the passage of time, is because when you see this atrocities happening, and obviously justifiably the president is moved by them and upset by them as he should be. We are left in a very difficult position now because it is going to be almost impossible for the U.S. to punish militarily Syria because now during the stretch of time from when this situation first evolved, you have Iranian and Russian forces at all of the different military sites.

So if we try to strike them in those spots, you're going to risk casualties and large numbers of Russians, of Iranians, which means then a direct military confrontation with those countries. Is the United States prepared to do that right now? I don't think so.

PERINO: In addition, there could be other casualties, Greg, and that we know that ISIS tries to hide civilians and use them as human shields. What do you make of this, especially the entanglement that we have now in the last several years of having Russia try to do this work for us?

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Yes. Is it too late? I mean, if you live in the woods and you come across a cub, if you let the cub live, sooner or later, you are going to face a bear, and that's what it is. You're literally facing the Russian bear and you're facing a bear in terms of atrocities. You're staring at a region that is destroying itself. It almost tells you that no matter what you do, it's not going to affect their direction because they don't mind that they're destroying themselves. They're gassing children.

GUILFOYLE: Right.

GUTFELD: There are two terrible things about being president of the United States. Number one, the rest of the world -- it's full of suffering. It's full of destruction, death, and false belief. The second terrible thing about being president are Americans who think we should be more like them. You know, it's amazing in the 21st century that thousands can still die -- tens of thousands can still die in one part of the world while the other part does pilates and drinks lattes and listens to John Mayer and then tells us that we are the troubled country, we are the bad country.

Look over at what's happening, you'd be so happy and so lucky. It has nothing to do with God. You are lucky you were born in this country because if you were born there, you'd be living in hell.

BECKEL: We could take it down at one. Let's go back to what Eric was saying here, Kimberly, this week, if you think about it, North Korea launches a missile that may have, just may have gone off track but it's not clear yet. We do know it was smaller than the last they did, but think about that. They made a decision to launch knowing full well that China was coming here. Now, it's been assumed all along that China could tell North Korea what to do. I've never believed that. I think China is --

BOLLING: Of course they could.

BECKEL: What?

BOLLING: Of course they could.

BECKEL: No, no. I think what it is, is that they're worried about huge numbers of refugees coming o-over from North Korea but I don't think they can make them stop their nuclear program.

BOLLING: They can do whatever -- China has complete and total control over North Korea.

BECKEL: Well, you see, I don't agree on that. And also if they did --

BOLLING: North Korea gets 100 percent of their energy from China.

BECKEL: But if that was the case, would that -- somebody have said don't do this missile launch the week that the --

BOLLING: I agree with, who was it? I can't remember who it was -- John McCain for once. I agree with him. I think the guy, you know, the chubby leader in North Korea is crazy and, yes, I could see him trying to provoke some sort of fight between Donald Trump and President Xi in Washington next week. I can see that.

Can I go back to Russia for one second? Maybe this is a good reason to be friendly with Russia. Maybe this is a good reason to not have not burned that bridge walking into the White House, where you can say if you really care about Syria and you really care about the children in Syria, you sit down with Putin and say, what are we going to do about this? You think it's the rebels. We think it's Bashar al-Assad. Let's get together as the two of the three predominant superpowers on the globe and fix the Syrian situation.

GUTFELD: What did you think of Nikki Haley today? I mean, she kind of -- she faced the Russians. I mean that's serious cajones.

PERINO: She did except for the last week and this is not anything against her, is that we announced a new policy last week.

GUTFELD: That's why it was brave -- but that's what I'm saying. What she did was actually brave because she did it after Tillerson said it.

PERINO: OK. And she said it last week too, but then so, then what is our policy going forward, Kimberly? Now they have to decide, OK, are we for Assad or not? We are not for atrocities.

GUILFOYLE: We're certainly not for atrocities. And here's the problem, something has to be done about this and by the way, something should have been done about it before because unfortunately, President Obama, his administration spent the past four years drawing a red line that they did not intend to stand by and enforce and punish militarily Assad when they had the opportunity to hit his chemical sites. So instead now, we're operating at a tactical disadvantage, at a political disadvantage.

It's far more complicated situation because he was more concerned with getting Iran and ayatollah to be able to sign the nuclear agreement and convince them that it was to their advantage and we missed this opportunity. So now what do we do?

BECKEL: An opportunity --

PERINO: Bob, can I ask you something about -- Susan rice, who we're going to talk about on a different subject in a moment, in January of this year, she gave a press conference or speech in which she said one of the accomplishments of the Obama administration was convincing Assad to give up his chemical weapons. And here we are on April 3rd of 2017, just two and a half months after she said that, him using sarin gas -- one of the most horrible gasses against his own people.

BECKEL: Well, I mean obviously it was bad intelligence they were using and they hadn't checked it out very carefully, and it's right. It never should've had the red line in the sand. But we have no reason to be in Syria. And the thing about Putin is --

PERINO: So would you say it was just (ph) nothing?

BECKEL: Putin is lying. He is lying for -- he's basically supporting a myth that this guy didn't do these atrocities and you're going to sit down and say, OK, let's work this out, no.

PERINO: But Bob, are you saying that we should do nothing?

BECKEL: I'd say -- I know I think we should do something.

PERINO: Like what? Like you said --

BECKEL: I think there probably are some targets -- some targets in Syria that will send a message but the last thing we're going to do is get in cahoots with the Russians on Syria. Syria is --

PERINO: We are in cahoots with them.

BECKEL: No --

BOLLING: -- there is no other solution other than getting --

GUTFELD: Or you could take out Assad. I mean, I'm sure we're capable of that.

BOLLING: How?

GUTFELD: He's protected by the Russians.

GUTFELD: I think we have the intelligence.

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PERINO: Also, it's also not legal.

GUTFELD: There you go.

BECKEL: It's not legal but --

PERINO: Also, it's not legal to do that.

BECKEL: -- there are ways of doing legal and illegal things and he should be knocked off.

BOLLING: Yes, but there is no way to go into Syria and fix it without -- first of all --

GUILFOYLE: Then how do you stabilize the region?

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BOLLING: This is terrible. I mean it's going to sound horrible especially with the pictures running every hour, but I don't think this is our fight. I just don't think this is our fight.

BECKEL: It's been 4,000 years --

PERINO: Well, the president does. The president changed his mind and I think that's his point.

BOLLING: I don't have to agree with everything President Trump says.

PERINO: No, I'm just saying that he agreed with that when he was not commander-in-chief. Now, he is commander-in-chief, leader of the free world and he has a different position.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, and he seem so embolden with what he did. You can't be unmoved when you see these pictures of these atrocities and children suffocating to death and dying in the streets. The United States isn't the country that stands by and does nothing. We should have acted before. Shame on us. And now we have a new president. He's promised to do something about it. Let's see it.

BECKEL: But for American troops, American blood and treasure in that place, well for 4,000 years that part of the world --

PERINO: Don't be suggesting -- who is suggesting that? That's against the (INAUDIBLE)

BECKEL: If Donald Trump takes military action and that you have to assume to listen to that. What is the alternative? You're not going to cut off medical supplies.

GUILFOYLE: No, but there is -- there are operational, you know, advantages that they could do, different covert operations that they can do.

BOLLING: What? There is no --

GUILFOYLE: I guess there are.

BOLLING: It is that the worst ball -- a bomb that's ready to go off for America. I would agree -- I don't know if you're on this page or not Bob, but offer massive humanitarian aid but don't offer any military or God forbid --

PERINO: We've got to get going.

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GUTFELD: Can I add just from the press conference, I liked that King Abdullah. I like him. No, it was like he's --

PERINO: He's an amazing ally.

GUTFELD: But he's also more articulate than any of our American politicians.

GUILFOYLE: Wouldn't you agree then that one of our strongest and best allies with the United States and training --

PERINO: And there's a lot more credit.

BECKEL: And a guy who's constantly under the gun all the time.

GUILFOYLE: And has fought and flown combat missions.

PERINO: That's another reason they have to stay involved is to protect him because ISIS and Al Qaeda would like nothing more than to try to topple Jordan.

GUILFOYLE: He helped with the U.S-Arab coalition, if you gentlemen are familiar with that.

PERINO: All right.

BOLLING: Are you -- wait, wait, wait -- let's not -- I'm not going to be in the camp that says I'm against helping Jordan. Good Lord, no. It's one of our strongest allies if you remember.

PERINO: Yes, let's just move on. Next, President Trump makes a very serious accusation against former national security adviser Susan Rice, who you were just talking about. He believes she committed a crime for her role in the unmasking of his aides. Details straight ahead.

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BOLLING: Susan Rice denies she did anything wrong by requesting the unmasking of Trump team members after they were swept up by foreign surveillance. Now, President Trump says that maybe inaccurate. In his first public remarks since news broke of Rice's involvement, the president says he believes Obama's former national security advisor may have committed a crime. Republicans want an investigation.

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SEN. RAND PAUL (R), KENTUCKY: We need to protect American privacy and use of constitution. We can't let political partisans like Susan Rice search through databases, unmask people, and she may not have leaked it but what if one of her staff leaked it. We can't allow intelligence to be used for political purposes.

CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER, FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR: The mainstream media and the Democrats, that is sort of redundant, are not interested in this line of inquiry. They only want to talk about the collusion story. They are not interested in the story about the improper use of intelligence. Which is equally important, and it's worth investigating.

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BOLLING: That was Dana. Democrats will do whatever they can to make this go away.

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REP. ADAM SCHIFF (D), CALIFORNIA: The hard right has always chosen Susan Rice to be their villain. I was dragooned into service on the Benghazi Select Committee. One of the central figures the Republicans went after and after and after was Susan Rice. What it is they have about Susan Rice that they like to go after her, I don't know.

DAID CORN, WASHINGTON BUREAU CHIEF, MOTHER JONES: All we know is that she did her job. Did she do something wrong? There's no information indicating that. So they are making her, you know, basically they're defaming her without any reason to do so because she's a woman, maybe because she's a black woman.

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BOLLING: Oh, my god. Really? Playing the race card on this one. Didn't everyone (ph) what color she was, whether she's male or female or otherwise, Greg. The bottom line is, Susan Rice, a political operative, a White House appointee, pressure the FBI, CIA, and the NSA to give them Flynn's name and five other names and then the leak.

GUTFELD: And I mean, that always you have to say this, the last bastion of failure is manufactured victimhood. If you think Rice, you know, acted out of political malice because she's black and a woman, what if you said, I mean, that's kind of what they're saying. I don't understand it. It's idiotic. Good luck with that.

That is why when you call race on everything -- that is why you lost an election. This bigot ray no longer works. I go back to this metaphor, the stock metaphor. The media bought the collusion stock early and it turns out to be a penny stock. It doesn't seem like it's going anywhere.

GUILFOYLE: Yes.

GUTFELD: But there's another stock. The leaks -- I call it leaks incorporated. That's an up-and-coming stock and it seems to be doing very well. It's amassing evidence. It's hard to ignore.

BOLLING: Dana, well, I don't know, you can pick either one. Are those on the right, Krauthammer that you had on, correct and that this should be -- what about this? What about an independent investigation into who leaked it?

PERINO: Well, I think that if you're the Trump team, you don't want an independent investigation because I think that those drag on for years. It drags on so many other people, and then if you look at what happened in the case of the Valerie Plame issue, that dragged on for years. They had a special investigator -- prosecutor -- who decided to go after something different even though he knew all along who had actually leaked the names. So, I don't think that's necessarily the best thing for this White House. But if you don't have confidence in any of the investigations then maybe you do it.

I do think that the president was premature in saying that she committed a crime and the best answer on anything when there's an investigation, especially if you're the commander-in-chief is, I have confidence in the investigation. I'm not going to try to prejudge it here. I have confidence in the investigation, I'm not going to prejudge it here because what they guarantee is that now it looks like he's trying to interfere in the investigation and people, like the ones we just saw, will come to her defense and say that she is being unfairly maligned by the president of the United States with no evidence.

BOLLING: KG, did he jump the gun by saying she committed a crime? Again, on the leaks, there is clearly a crime being -- has been committed by someone.

GUILFOYLE: Somebody leaked it. She admitted that she unmasked it but what is the reason for doing so? If there was no reason to do so by all the other intelligence agencies, they didn't find the need to unmask them or say that there was any wrongdoing or illegality, but she found it upon herself to do it. And who else, wherever she is, you see Ben Rhodes. So, somebody leaked it.

GUTFELD: All roads lead to Rhodes.

GUIFOYLE: I was going to do that Greg but it's predictable but maybe you can --

GUTFELD: I used it before.

GUILFOYLE: I know.

BECKEL: If we put a couple facts on the table here that might be worthwhile, one, she couldn't do it herself. She has to get permission from the director of National Intelligence and the FBI before she can unmask anybody. So she had to make those requests and they granted those request.

BOLLING: Right.

BECKEL: They grant hundreds of thousands unmasking request a year so she had to have a reason. She didn't do it on her own. And if that's the case, I would like to see the two White House aides who work for Trump who leaked that thing to Nunes. They should -- they broke the law.

BOLLING: So she leans on the FBI to unmask.

BECKEL: How does a national security advisor lean on the FBI?

BOLLING: That's the only reason why they unmask names. They didn't find any (INAUDIBLE) names. They did it in response. And she admitted that.

BECKEL: They're trying to --

BOLLING: She said there were some dozens of request on that.

GUILFOYLE: They could have done it themselves. They didn't. She made the request and they put it through based on her request.

BOLLING: They didn't need to do it. She wants it unmasked. So she gets her wish. She gets it unmasked. That's not necessarily illegal although it's probably improper but not illegal. The illegal act happens when Flynn's name gets leaked to the public, period.

BECKEL: How about (INAUDIBLE) that was leaked to Nunes by the White House staff.

GUILFOYLE: Right and then --

BECKEL: Then what do you do --

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BOLLING: Bob, we're talking about that. Bob, we're talking about a -- the felony that was committed. Do you not --

BECKEL: The felony we know what happened was with Nunes or whatever his name is?

BOLLING: No. The felony we know that happened was that Michael Flynn's name is being talked about right now and there was mess.

GUILFOYLE: Right. So the same questions are who push the video on Benghazi and she was the one that peddled the false narrative out to all the Sunday shows so she's already been dirtied by that administration, right. So she'll go out and have a loose relationship with the truth and the facts then circle back. Lo and behold, who's the one who unmasked the names and for what justification?

BECKEL: Do you think these two white house guys should be put in front of the committees too if they're going to pull Susan Rice up there?

BOLLING: You know what else matters Bob On March 22nd --

BECKEL: Answer the question --

BOLLING: On March 22nd, she said I have no knowledge. I don't know what you're talking about. I know nothing about that. Can you imagine it?

BECKEL: I'm not talking about that. You are covering up for the two guys that leaked that to --

BOLLING: Dozens of request to unmask these people's names and two weeks ago she says, I have no idea what you're talking about.

BECKEL: So you don't think those two guys who did that should have any problem (ph) whatsoever?

BOLLING: Well --

BECKEL: Well what? They broke the law.

GUILFOYLE: They should complete and conclude the investigation and find out who did what --

BECKEL: Yes.

GUILFOYLE: -- and by the way, why they did it. Who was this at the direction of and who's to have?

BOLLING: She wasn't under investigation, Bob. They didn't leak any information -- evidence, unlike what Susan Rice or someone with her did or someone connected to her (INAUDIBLE)

PERINO: I think we should just lay off the gas a little bit on indicting her and let the investigation take its course.

GUTFELD: I'm sorry, that's not gas.

PERINO: What is it?

GUTFELD: Well I had some bad lunch.

BOLLING: All roads --

GUILFOYLE: Well then it is.

BOLLING: -- all roads lead to Rice.

GUTFELD: Yes. I had a lot of rice.

BECKEL: -- they sold it well for us to sit here and talk about Rice and make a big deal out of it when there's no --

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BOLLING: Next, Ivanka Trump doesn't have to respond to critics who call her complicit and her father is president but she just did and you will want to stay tuned to hear what her answer was.

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GUILFOYLE: Ivanka Trump just addressed critics who labeled her complicit for not keeping her father in check.

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IVANKA TRUMP, PRESIDENT TRUMP'S DAUGHTER: If being complicit is wanting to be a force for good and to make a positive impact then I'm complicit. I hope to make a positive impact. I don't know what it means to be complicit. But -- but, you know, I hope time will prove that I have done a good job, and much more importantly, that my father's administration is the success that I know it will be.

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GUILFOYLE: OK, so Dana, obviously, this is an area that has passion and interest. Ivanka Trump is really trying to do the right thing in terms of helping her father be the best president that he can be. She's very earnest in her desire to try to do that. You know, has made a sacrifice to move to D.C. to try to help.

PERINO: Yes, so she's in a really unique position. All of us are in a unique position covering this situation, because this hasn't really happened before, where you have a daughter there.

GUILFOYLE: Sure.

PERINO: And for the people that want her to speak up more, would they rather she not be there? I'm assuming not. I think that they think that she is actually a good influence. And I think that she's -- I remember her saying that "I am not a clone. I'm a daughter." And I would ask the media, would you be asking Chelsea Clinton similar questions...

GUTFELD: Thank God.

PERINO: ... about her parents? I doubt it.

GUILFOYLE: Right. And by the way, she's a very accomplished businesswoman. OK? She's hard-working. She's a very nice person, does a lot of charitable work and is really -- what can you really say objectionable about her? If you don't like, you know, President Trump, you don't like -- because she's a Trump? I mean, it's unbelievable. At least she's willing to serve and try to do something here to help out.

They seem to be upset, Greg, that she's there, and even though she's they are, like Dana said, they're upset because they think she's not doing enough.

GUTFELD: Yes, they're clearly sexist; they're antiwoman, and it's disgusting. We can use that on them. They use it on us.

The accusations against her are based on liberal assumptions that go back to the 1960s. It's never about a difference of opinion but a difference of morality. That you are not wrong; you're simply evil.

So the reason why she's -- they use the phrase "complicit," as though it's a crime. It's a crime that she's supporting her dad. It's not because of the beliefs itself. It's because he's a Republican.

GUILFOYLE: Right.

GUTFELD: So if he had run as a Democrat, she would be considered different.

And believe me, she's -- I would not consider her beliefs a strong conservative. I mean, she's a climate change. I don't know where she stands on pro-life issues. I don't know. But I -- I don't know if she's a Republican. So I think it's just another team sport attack.

BECKEL: You are evil.

GUTFELD: Thank you.

BECKEL: I just want you to know.

GUILFOYLE: All right. Do you have something nice (ph)?

BECKEL: Yes, I do say this -- I think, frankly, this criticism is not well-founded. I mean, the people that Trump has surrounded himself with have been mostly "yes" people, except for her. She has substance. She has ideas. She -- when she said, "When my father knows that I don't agree with him, he knows it." And I think we ought to feel some comfort that she's around there...

GUILFOYLE: I agree.

BECKEL: ... knowing full well that if he gets as off-track as I think he can, that she might be able to get through to him.

GUTFELD: And he listens to her.

GUILFOYLE: And Bolling, shows a very sincere interest in helping helping working women and women who are mothers that are trying to reenter the workforce. And yes, climate issues is another one of her concerns. So she's quite vocal in terms of her opinions and her viewpoints.

BOLLING: I think she's very strong. I think she's a strong advisor. She's very smart, strong. She's leading him in the right direction. I'm thrilled she's there.

GUILFOYLE: Maybe she'll be the first female president.

BOLLING: As thrilled as a Democrat would be if Hillary Clinton were president and Chelsea was there doing a similar job, which she probably would be.

PERINO: Yes.

BOLLING: And we wouldn't be taking shots at Chelsea, saying, "Oh, thanks a lot, Chelsea."

GUTFELD: I would.

BOLLING: "You're part of the reason why Hillary's there."

GUTFELD: I would.

BECKEL: Evil would.

BOLLING: Whatever. He's -- I know he's kidding. But the bottom line is, look, it's good to have strong advisors and people who know you, you know, for a long time. I'm happy she's there and, by the way, I'm happy Jared Kushner is there, too.

GUILFOYLE: Happy, happy.

BECKEL: Yes, the only -- the only historical connection here was, believe it or not, Harriet Truman and his daughter, who had a lot of influence on him. In fact, she was the one who finally talked him into dropping the bomb on Hiroshima. Did you know that?

PERINO: I did not know that.

GUTFELD: No idea.

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BECKEL: And he also went down -- also went down to The Washington Post and tried to duke it out with the critic who said his daughter couldn't sing.

GUILFOYLE: So -- so Ivanka might tell President Trump to drop it on North Korea?

BECKEL: It's a thought.

GUILFOYLE: Ahead, a big update on that new Pepsi ad starring supermodel Kendall Jenner that's been causing a firestorm on the Internet. Greg has it for you, next.

GUTFELD: I do. I do!

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GUTFELD: If there's one thing we know about life, it's that hot celebrities are the solutions to all our problems, especially hot celebrities being paid tons of money to sell soda.

Behold the revolutionary iconic figure that is Kendall Jenner, bravely leading a protest, facing riot police, armed only with a can of Pepsi. And we thought Martin Luther King was special.

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(KENDALL JENNER HANDS PEPSI CAN TO POLICE OFFICER)

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GUTFELD: It really is that easy. So the policeman smiled, because that's all it took: hot protesters bearing carbonation. Move aside, Rosa Parks. Hit the road, Mother Theresa. Take a hike, Gandhi. We have our new spiritual leader. And it's that hot girl from that family with the reality show.

Now Jenner got slammed by smug celebrities for co-opting the serious protests. Because that's what's only smug celebrities get to do. Seriously, what Kendall did is no different than the hashtag posturing on Twitter by the other stars who are currently giving her grief.

Anyway, Pepsi pulled the ad due to the uproar. But tell me what's worse: the ad or the outrage? It must be nice to have a life where this is your chief complaint.

But Kendall's real sin, she airbrushed the whole scene. I mean, I just don't remember the protests being that magical. Remember this?

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What do we want?

CROWD: Dead cops!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When do we want them?

CROWD: Now!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What do we want?

CROWD: Dead cops!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When do we want them?

CROWD: Now!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Pigs in a blanket!

CROWD: Fry 'em like bacon!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Pigs in a blanket!

CROWD: Fry 'em like bacon!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Pigs in a blanket!

CROWD: Fry 'em like bacon!

(SHOUTING)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think the people watching tonight should look at the people protesting and look at what color hat they're wearing. It's certainly not red.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Are you surprised? Ma'am?

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GUILFOYLE: I hate that.

GUTFELD: So I guess protests can be peaceful. But lately, agents of disruption create a chaotic mix of envy, division and fear, happily targeting cops, bystanders, businesses. It ain't no party. There's no dancing or beverages. So that's Kendall's real crime: She made everything look too good.

Dana, should they have pulled the ad, you think?

PERINO: Well, I think that they got enough publicity from it.

GUTFELD: Right.

PERINO: Sometimes that happens. Right? So you -- they put a lot of money into it. They've already gotten a ton of repeats on it.

I don't think it was written by millennials.

GUTFELD: No?

PERINO: I think millennials would've been like, "All right, we're not for this." So maybe there's a generational thing going on.

But you wouldn't believe what I'd do for a Diet Coke.

GUTFELD: Yes, exactly. This was the best ad for Diet Coke.

BOLLING: You know what...

GUILFOYLE: We beg. Around here.

BOLLING: The problem is the premise of the fight. The premise -- and the pushback by the liberals or whoever has a problem with this ad is that it belittles the fight between protesters and cops. And there shouldn't be a fight. That's the -- really the heart of it is, yes, cops are protecting property. You want to protest, you have a right to protest, but do it in a peaceful way.

GUTFELD: And they're protesting the -- protecting the protesters, too.

BOLLING: And protecting the protestors. But what they're doing is highlighting a fight. Like the people who have a problem with the ad, not the ad, not Pepsi, not Kendall Jenner, the people who are protesting the fact that this ad even runs are the people perpetuating the fight with law enforcement.

GUTFELD: You know, Kimberly, I always have a problem when supermodels are -- are insulted because, being in the industry myself...

GUILFOYLE: Yes, right.

GUTFELD: ... I feel bad for Kendall.

GUILFOYLE: OK, Zoolander.

BOLLING: Photographer.

GUTFELD: Yes. What do you -- what do you make of this? Much ado about nothing? Or much a lot about something?

GUILFOYLE: Look, I think Pepsi ended up with -- like Dana said, they got a tremendous amount of publicity. People are probably going on the Internet and, you know, trying to catch clips of it where people have it. They pulled it, but there was a message accomplished.

I think Pepsi did a good thing. You know, they didn't, like, bow down. Well, they did pull the ad, but in terms of producing it and putting it forward, I'm surprised an ad like this that, obviously, people can get hysterical, phony, like, feigned hysteria over it, when all it is, is she's being kind. She's -- like an act of kindness towards law enforcement, which as you point out, Greg, does protect the protesters, too.

What's wrong with this ad? Maybe we're going to swap out the Diet Coke that we just finally got after five long years...

PERINO: Speak for yourself.

GUILFOYLE: ... for the Diet Pepsi.

GUTFELD: Bob, you mentioned in the break that you didn't like this because they ripped off the Chemical Brothers, one of their videos.

GUILFOYLE: Wait, what?

GUTFELD: Are you actually surprised? We turn everything into a product.

BECKEL: Yes, well, first of all, the thing that I'm sure Pepsi did not consider, was your idea about using those scenes.

GUTFELD: Yes.

BECKEL: I can imagine a Pepsi commercial with a bunch of people breaking glass and putting pepper spray at people.

GUTFELD: Yes, exactly.

BECKEL: You wouldn't sell much.

GUTFELD: Reality.

BECKEL: I don't get it. I think it's a fine ad. And I don't -- I just don't get it. It's not worth -- it's not worth talking about, frankly.

GUTFELD: Oh, I think this is -- oh, I could talk about this for hours.

PERINO: You love talking about the Kardashians.

BECKEL: Excuse me.

GUILFOYLE: She's a Kardashian. Remember, you always love to talk about them?

BECKEL: She is?

GUTFELD: Don't say it, Bob. Don't say -- why did you tell him?

BECKEL: ... the dog? OK.

GUTFELD: Don't you remember? The Kardashian...

BECKEL: Yes. She was going to run for mayor. Remember, for mayor? What was her name?

GUTFELD: I don't know, Bob. All I know is.

GUILFOYLE: What?

BECKEL: All the plastic surgery. Kim.

GUTFELD: All I know is...

GUILFOYLE: Kardashian?

PERINO: Did you like the ad?

BECKEL: Plastique.

GUTFELD: No.

PERINO: OK.

GUTFELD: I didn't like the ad. But I think the uproar on Twitter was self-satisfied -- self-satisfied smug celebrities saying, "Oh, that's terrible" but they do the same thing with their little hashtag stuff.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, they made the protests looked pretty glamorous. It was like, you know, models from Abercrombie -- and Benneton.

PERINO: With wonderful refreshments.

GUTFELD: Yes. No, it was an outdoor concert. It wasn't a protest.

GUILFOYLE: Pink lemonade, too.

GUTFELD: All right. They're not -- I'm not hearing anything, but I'm assuming they want me to go.

GUILFOYLE: I think you've got to go.

GUTFELD: Up ahead, Rory McIlroy may never golf again...

GUILFOYLE: Irish.

GUTFELD: With President Trump. He'll explain why, next.

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BECKEL: The world's No. 2 golfer took a lot of heat from critics for hitting the links with our golfer in chief, President Trump, in February. Doesn't sound like Rory McIlroy will ever do it again.

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RORY MCILROY, PROFESSIONAL GOLFER: I think definitely, I felt it was -- you know, I felt I would have been making more of a statement if I had turned it down. And, you know, it was a rather tough place to be put in, but it was a round of golf and nothing more. And, you know, would I do it again after sort of the backlash I received? I'd think twice about it.

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BECKEL: Good idea. Good luck at the Masters this weekend, starts tomorrow, as a matter of act.

As for Mr. Trump, who's made 17 trips so far to his golf clubs in just ten weeks as president. This, coming from the party that dumped all over Barack Obama for golfing. It's time, Mr. President, to put down your golf clubs and go back to work. That's what you were elected to do, I think.

What do you think, Eric? Do you think he ought to go to work or...

BOLLING: Now you want the president to stop golfing. For eight years, it was OK.

Look, Rory McIlroy clearly is caving to the pressure of his fan base who says -- who may not like Trump, saying don't golf with the guy.

BECKEL: But don't you think it's a little bit too much golf?

BOLLING: Oooh, Rory's not going to golf with Trump anymore.

BECKEL: Do you think it's OK that Trump golfs every weekend? I mean...

BOLLING: Last weekend, he golfed with Rand Paul and Mick Mulvaney to talk about the health care bill.

BECKEL: Yes?

BOLLING: They spend four hours talking about the health care bill.

BECKEL: I understand.

BOLLING: He's working on the golf course.

GUILFOYLE: He was Shinzo Abe.

BECKEL: Seventeen times in 10 weeks?

BOLLING: He works on the golf course, Bob. Where do you get -- where do you get most of your work done?

BECKEL: Huh? At the Beckel Institute.

GUILFOYLE: Well, the point is, like, presidents obviously need to do some things in their free time, too, but nobody is actually saying that President Trump isn't working hard or isn't available or isn't up early. The proof is in the tweets. So this is somebody who's trying to get work done. If he thinks that he's not doing it, then have a suggestion.

BECKEL: If it were up to me, he'd stay on the golf course the entire four years until he gets defeated or impeached, and none of this stuff we'd have to put up with.

BOLLING: You did see all the economic numbers that came out today, right?

BECKEL: And did you see the economic numbers in Ohio in those small counties where he did very well?

BOLLING: Yes. Well...

GUILFOYLE: And the objection was that, when President Obama should make be making statements, and instead he was out golfing when an American was being beheaded.

GUTFELD: So Dana, do you have plans for this weekend?

GUILFOYLE: Remember that?

BECKEL: Yes, but George -- I will, I'm sorry. Dana -- I'm sorry. Dana, George Bush decided to stop golfing during the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq, because he thought it was bad, the visuals for the soldiers. Now Trump says that this is -- the world's in worse shape than it was then. Do you think Trump should get off the golf course?

PERINO: I think that President Bush made that decision based on his own personal beliefs, and he wouldn't suggest that anybody else has to adhere to it. He personally wanted to make that decision.

And I think that for Mr. McIlroy, one of the things that he could have said was that it was a privilege to be invited to golf with the commander-in- chief. I don't think that will ever come around again. "It was a once-in- a-lifetime opportunity, and I'm looking forward to winning the Masters."

BECKEL: Well, Greg, we got to you before he went to the Masters. What do you think?

GUTFELD: I would pay -- I would pay Tom Brokaw $100 to say Rory McIlroy ten times. I would love to hear him do that. Tom, I know you watch the show. I'll give you $100 to say, "Rory McIlroy. Rory McIlroy. Rory McIlroy."

PERINO: I love him.

GUTFELD: Yes, but he can't do "R's" or "L's."

PERINO: I watched him...

BECKEL: You are ugly, you know that?

GUTFELD: Thank you, Bob.

BECKEL: It's OK.

GUILFOYLE: That's not nice.

BECKEL: He's the one that raised it.

GUTFELD: What?

GUILFOYLE: "Rory McIlroy."

BOLLING: Bob, would you golf with Trump?

GUTFELD: What the hell is happening?

BECKEL: Oh, yes. Sure I would.

GUILFOYLE: And he should have said that. Have more manners.

GUTFELD: Golfing under Obama is different, because Trump is in power and he's our guy.

BECKEL: OK, there you go. Let's go.

GUILFOYLE: Truth to power.

BECKEL: "One More Thing" ...

GUILFOYLE: "One More Thing"...

BECKEL: ... is up next.

PERINO: How nice.

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PERINO: It's time now for "One More Thing" -- Kimberly.

GUILFOYLE: OK. Well, in cheerful news, a New Jersey high school senior has her pick from any Ivy League school. Can you believe this? Talk about the pride of her parents.

And there she is, 17-year-old Ifeoma White-Thorpe has been accepted into all eight Ivy League colleges and universities in addition to Stanford. So people, that means Brown University, Columbia, Cornell, Dartmouth, Harvard, University of Pennsylvania, Princeton, and Yale. Her parents are unbelievably happy. She said it may come down to financial aid packages and who's able to give that to her.

She won the Selma Speech, an essay competition, and she aces all her advanced placement classes and is student government president. Congratulations to her.

PERINO: Good job.

GUILFOYLE: God bless her and her family.

And on a personal note, I want to say thank you so much to Eileen Coffey- Cowlick (ph), Bob's friend, who is the creator of this Silly McGilly, which is, like, the elf. And she gave me this beautiful nice Irish scarf.

PERINO: Very, very nice. Eric, you're next.

BOLLING: I'll go very quickly. Tonight, I'll be on O'Reilly, fighting with Geraldo on Susan Rice stuff.

OK. Very quickly. After our A-block, my son, my crazy, right-wing son emailed me. He's like, "I see you're talking about those gas attacks in Syria. It's crazy." It's so bad. But I just said, as awful as this sounds, it's not our fight. We should send money and aid and not military.

And he goes, "I don't know. Violating U.N. agreements. We're practically endorsing this. It will continue if we don't do anything. Obama didn't do squat after Assad using chemical weapons, and now this happens. You're like Obama right now, Dad."

PERINO: I love him.

BOLLING: The right-winger's son.

BECKEL: Usually, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

PERINO: You did such a good job...

BOLLING: Oh, my gosh.

PERINO: You did such a good job raising him. You and Juan Williams, I tell you.

GUILFOYLE: Eric Chase, thank you for calling your dad out on that.

PERINO: All right. I'm going to go next. So you thought journalism is dead? Well, it is not. A high school journalists at Pittsburg High School in Kansas are responsible for the resignation of their dishonest principal.

Amy Robertson was a newly-hired principal. She claimed she had received her Masters and doctoral degrees from the online Corllins University. The student journalists, they all got together -- there's five of them. Let's see, a group of five juniors and one senior, wanted to learn more about their principal, so they started doing research. And they were, like, "Wait. This isn't adding up." And they were faced with a lot of pushback. They kept going.

And so congratulations to them. They are Gina Mathew, Kali Poenitske, Trina Paul, Connor Balthazor and Patrick Sullivan. Congratulations. Well done.

Greg.

GUTFELD: All right, go to FOXNewspodcast.com. "The One" with Greg Gutfeld. This is a doozy. I'm with philosopher and scientist Susan Schneider. We talk about artificial intelligence, aliens. You name it, we talk about it. And I'm on with Ben Kissel (ph). It is a -- it's a doozy.

And if you're wondering where Tom Shillue is, this is where he was, doing barbershop on "The Tonight Show" with Jimmy Fallon.

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(MUSIC: BARBERSHOP RENDITION OF "BABY GOT BACK")

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PERINO: All right, Bob, quick. What have you got?

BECKEL: I have nothing. I'm the liberal.

PERINO: You have a lot of notes there.

BECKEL: I'll save it -- I'll save it till I come back next week. That's fine.

PERINO: Is it a good one to save?

BECKEL: It's a Trump dump again.

GUTFELD: No wonder we went long.

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