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Controversy swirls around House Intel Committee probe

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This is a rush transcript from "The Five," March 27, 2017. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: Hello everyone, I'm Eric Bolling along with Kennedy, Bob Beckel, Meghan McCain, and Greg Gutfeld. It's 5 o'clock in New York City and this is "The Five."

Tonight, new developments on the stunning collection of Trump team communications by U.S. intelligence. We now know where the intel committee chairman Devin Nunes viewed the information he found concerning that's ignited a controversy of its own. More on that in just a minute, but first, ranking member Adam Schiff still won't let up on Nunes for briefing the president on the matter before the committee.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

REP. ADAM SCHIFF, D-CALIF.: We can't have a credible investigation if one of the members indeed the chairman takes all the information he has seen to the White House and doesn't share it with his own committee. I think the chairman has to make a decision whether to act as a surrogate of the White House as he did during the campaign and the transition or to lead an independent and credible investigation. I hope he chooses the latter. The country really needs to have an independent, credible investigation in the house.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BOLLING: Adding feel to the controversy, it was revealed today that Chairman Nunes viewed the documents that reportedly shows incidental collection of team Trump on White House grounds a day before he revealed the news to the public. His spokesman says it was shown to him there in order to have proximity to a secure location where he can view the information provided by the source because of classification rules, the source could not simply put the documents in a backpack and walk them over to the House Intelligence Committee space.

White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer addressed that revelation at today's briefing.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SEAN SPICER, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: I know that Chairman Nunes confirmed that he was on White House grounds Tuesday and frankly, any questions regarding who he met with or why he was here should be referred to him. I'm not going to get into who he met with or why he met with them. I think that's something that he has made very clear and I'll let him answer.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BOLLING: Greg, it just seems like a lot to do. A lot of times, committee chairman can go to the White House. They're looking for sensitive, compartmentalized information facilities, secure locations.

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: You know, we must point out first of all that Adam Schiff is definitely Sheriff Woody from "Toy Story." When I look at him that's how I see, do you?

BOLLING: He needs a hat though, right.

GUTFELD: He does need a hat. I don't know, the question is has he helped or hurt the president? I mean, it's like he wanted -- it sounds like he wanted to do the right thing but it kind if blew up at his face. It's like setting up two people on a blind date and one turns out to be a psychopath.

But the bottom line is the perception from Nunes' broad claim that Trump's people were surveilled through incidental collecting, in a way, has proved that Trump is kind of right. Not completely right about Obama, Bob but that's -- the best you could hope for is being half right, and Trump in a sense is half right which is better than most politicians. Nunes provided Trump with more cover than Michael Moore's shadow.

BOLLING: Bob you're chuckling but why don't we wait and find out what Nunes knows, what he's seen, what he's been told and showing that he said, new or several documents showing Trump transition members being incidentally surveilled by the FBI or intel.

BOB BECKEL, CO-HOST: The key point you made here was that they couldn't carry these things up to the intelligence committee because it would have been an illegal act. They would have to write (ph) out the fact that they took it out, which indicates to me that, you know, the most secure locations in Washington by far are the House and Senate intelligence committees. They could easily gone on there but they didn't do that, why? Because a Trump person gave it to Nunes to cover up --

BOLLING: Wait, you're speculating. You are speculating Bob.

GUTFELD: We don't speculate on "The Five"!

BOLLING: We don't know who Nunes saw on these documents. We don't know who that --

BECKEL: Well somebody had to have access to the White House grounds.

BOLLING: Well, Meghan, NSE has offices in the White House.

MEGHAN MCCAIN, GUEST CO-HOST: Well we still don't know what evidence he is speaking of and it's incumbent on Nunes at this point to be as transparent as possible. I think it's important to note that he became the chairman because he doesn't have a reputation for being grandstanding. He had a good reputation which is why he was given this serious position as chairman.

And it's not beyond anyone's comprehension. We know the President Obama targeted people for political reasons, you know, IRS to the Tea Party. It is not above everyone's understanding that this could happen. But I am begging Chairman Nunes to be as transparent as possible because I do believe the American public has a right to know whether or not our intelligence agencies are doing things specifically for political purposes and specifically against this sitting president which all leaks right now point to yes.

BECKEL: You, by the way, you cut me off.

BOLLING: Go ahead Bob. Go ahead Bob.

BECKEL: No, no, no. I was going to say it's OK.

GUTFELD: Don't cut Bob off.

BECKEL: No, no, no, it's fine. I just --

KENNEDY, GUEST CO-HOST: You're cutting each other off --

(CROSSTALK)

BOLLING: Can I give you the shroud of mystery that's surrounding this thing? Tuesday night, Devin Nunes gets a call while he's with staffers. The cab -- the Uber he's in has to pull over. Nunes leaves the Uber with the staffers in the car, goes to the White House, gets his information and then the next day when they reveal that there is something going on.

KENNEDY: Yes, he is switching cars. It reminds me of the end of "Goodfellas" or was the "Casino," when they're switching cars and talking on --

BOLLING: "Casino." It was definitely "Casino."

KENNEDY: "Casino," yes. When the wives are talking about really boring stuff for 20 minutes and all of a sudden they get to hand the phones back to their husbands. The thing is that Chairman Nunes actually thought about installing his own private server in order to get the classified information at his house because he realized that that's not a crime anymore. But he went ahead and went to the White House. There are other secure locations he could have gone to. You know --

GUTFELD: The Popeye's on 17th.

KENNEDY: Very secure place.

BOLLING: Starbucks bathroom. Everyone goes there.

KENNEDY: But Adam Schiff going in front of cameras every chance he gets talking about independence is absolutely laughable. And I guess one of the reasons that the chairman didn't share this information with Congressman Schiff is because Congressman Schiff is a little bit annoying and he knew that no matter what he did, either way, he was going to --

BECKEL: He wouldn't show it because he was covering it up for the White House. By the way, if a guy (INAUDIBLE) whoever gave him that stuff had a White House pass which means they work for Trump.

(CROSSTAK)

BOLLING: Does Schiff work for Trump now?

BECKEL: We are talking about Nunes. We're talking about him getting out of a cab like some modern day --

BOLLING: Bob, you're just making the leap that it actually came from within the White House. You can use the White House --

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL: -- what's the leap about that, you got have a pass to get in the White House --

MCCAIN: Whatever information he has (INAUDIBLE) to clearly alarmed him enough to say those in front of a press corps knowing he's a smart man. He knows this will probably end up being a possible --

BECKEL: He has covered up with Trump and --

MCCAIN: I don't that's fair. I think there are a lot of unanswered questions about exactly what the intelligence community was doing and why. And again, if he saw some evidence that show that they were spying on Donald Trump for a specific reason that is information the American public more than has a right to know.

BECKEL: Well, you take the first (ph) committee.

MCCAIN: I'm not conspiratorial by nature. I really am not and I think all the information, all the leaks that have shown so far since President Trump has been elected are pointing to an extreme politicization in our intelligence community that the American public should be wary of --

BECKEL: But why should Trump get that information before the committee gets it?

KENNEDY: He's the president of the United States. He has access to more information than the committee has access to.

BECKEL: Well, that's what you think. Do you think he has read it?

KENNEDY: I think he's the president.

BECKEL: I think he doesn't read anything, that's his problem.

BOLLING: Let's move on to this. Today, Press Secretary Sean Spicer pushed back on the idea that Nunes was the recipient of what they're calling a White House "leak."

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Why do you think it's OK but other leaks are not?

SPICER: There's a difference between a leak, someone leaking to reporters for nefarious -- to take classified information and share it with people who aren't cleared. Chairman Nunes is cleared. He is the chairman of the intelligence committee. Someone who is cleared to share classified information with somebody else cleared is not a leak.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BOLLING: All right, Bob. All you, brother.

BECKEL: What? Should I repeat what I said about Spicer?

BOLLING: I would.

BECKEL: (INAUDIBLE) He's not going to last long anyway. Listen, the fact of the matter is, when he said -- that is the most tortured answer I have heard. This is the chairman of the intelligence community. It's unprecedented. They never, ever had that happen. When I was in the White House in '76, we started (INAUDIBLE) on Frank Church's bill and it was (INAUDIBLE) the two co-chairs of the senate and never once - never once did either one of them give something to the White House that the other one didn't know about.

BOLLING: Did you just make a claim that the White House don't leak? Is that what you --

BECKEL: No, no, no, I said that what happens is that the intelligence committee chairman usually are formidable Americans who are not trying to cover up for a dirty president.

GUTFELD: It's not -- it may not be a leak. It's what I would call a tease. You know what I mean? It was like you see -- I think it was very premature in this press conference. It was like somebody who said they have really good gossip and right when they're about to tell you, they go, oh wait, I got to go. I'll call you back.

KENNEDY: Or like Rachel Maddow saying I see Trump's ng tax returns and then you realize that rich people actually pay a lot of money.

GUTFELD: Exactly.

MCCAIN: OK, but here's the problem though --

BOLLING: -- part of the problem that there wasn't more distance between the actual, you know, that Tuesday night getting -- jumping out of the cab, getting the information and then that press conference that Nunes held the very next day --

KENNEDY: Yes. I mean, what's problematic is also the White House points to Nunes' information and says see? We're exonerated. And they gave --

BECKEL: But they're not exonerated.

KENNEDY: But at some point it's begging the question. At some point it's using the premise as the conclusion and that's a foul.

BOLLING: Bob, let me bring --

(CROSSTALK)

KENNEDY: I don't believe that they were -- I don't believe necessarily in the wiretapping. I don't think we should get caught up in that one phrase, but I do believe that a lot of these agencies inappropriately used surveillance in one form or another.

BOLLING: Meghan, there was, I think on Friday they said -- Nunes said that he was going to call James Comey and Admiral Rogers for a closed-door meeting that was supposed to happen today. They were no-shows.

MCCAIN: Well, I mean, that's highly disappointing for a lot of reasons but I think James Comey has completely shot himself in the foot. I thought he should have stepped down before the election. No matter what president we have, because Republicans and Democrats have reasons to believe he is politicized and easily manipulated in both ways.

I'm deeply concerned. I've always been deeply concerned by these leaks one way or the other. I think anytime you're taking secret intelligence information that could impact our national security into your own hands for political reasons, to say it's dangerous, I think it's treasonous. I think it's insane.

And so, I have said from the beginning I think this White House specifically has a leaking problem because a lot of people were put into place in the intelligence communities under President Obama. And I don't know exactly where they go going forward but I do think this normalization of leaks is very dangerous. Starting by the way with WikiLeaks and the understanding that releasing Hillary Clinton's information is OK, but I think Chairman Nunes really needs to be as transparent as possible --

BECKEL: Meghan, let me ask you a question. It's fair to say this has become fairly controversial, this investigation. Why -- let me ask you Eric this too -- why would you guys or do you oppose an independent counsel to get this thing out of Capitol Hill, out of politics, into the hands of people who know what they are doing and who have no skin in the game --

KENNEDY: Why did you oppose that with Benghazi? Why did you oppose that with Benghazi?

BECKEL: I didn't oppose with Benghazi.

KENNEDY: Why did you oppose that with Hillary Clinton's e-mail scandal?

BECKEL: I didn't.

KENNEDY: I did not either but I find that a lot of your colleagues and people who share your philosophy completely oppose that.

BECKEL: Frankly, I hate to just get into Benghazi again because I promised the commission --

BOLLING: Come on, let's stay on this. Let's stay on this.

BECKEL: We stayed on Benghazi for four years.

BOLLING: Would you be opposed to --

MCCAIN: No, but the problem is there's an innate distrust of so many people in our intelligence communities and so many people quite frankly, you know, that would be on such a committee. I mean it's at a point that it's absolutely ridiculous and quite frankly it scares me that so many people have this distrust. But I actually don't think it's something to make light off. You're talking about our national security secrets and people purposely trying to undermine our president.

BECKEL: So are you for another --

BOLLING: Let's bring Greg in.

MCCAIN: Yes.

GUTFELD: Yes. I am too. I think we need an independent investigation to find out if it's Nun-ez or Nun-yez. It's driving me crazy. Also, this is all about a tweet and the tweet, you almost have the sheet over the tweet and then Nunes came and gave the tweet CPR. It was like we had just moved past that story and for some reason, he had to come back and do that. It was already two weeks old.

BOLLING: All right. We're going to leave it right there and I called his office and the voice on the recorder said Congressmen Nun-ez.

GUTFELD: Nun-ez. That's what I'm thinking.

KENNEDY: No tilde.

BOLLING: No tilde. All right, leave it right there. And make sure to tune in tonight. "O'Reilly Factor" for Bill's one-on-one interview with Congressman Nunes. That's tonight. Big interview happening at 8:00 p.m. Coming up here --

BECKEL: Don't want to miss that.

BOLLING: -- the White House shifting blame for the failure of the GOP health care plan. The latest fall out, next.

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KENNEDY: -- I'll make you a believer. This is "The Five." This effort to repeal and replace Obamacare isn't over. Today, the White House said it is working with opponents of the health care bill on a way forward after the legislation imploded in the House on Friday. The president isn't only blaming Democrats for the collapse. He tweeted, quote, "Democrats are smiling in D.C. that the Freedom Caucus, with the help of Club for Growth, and Heritage, have saved Planned Parenthood & Ocare." His chief of staff backed that up.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

REINCE PRIEBUS, WHITE HOUSE CHIEF OF STAFF: Well I think the president is 100 percent correct and he hits the bull's-eye. We can't be chasing the perfect all the time. I mean sometimes you have to take the good and put it in your pocket and take the win. I think it's time for our folks to come together, and I also think it's time to potentially get a few moderate Democrats on board as well.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

KENNEDY: Well, curious. Here is how some Freedom Caucus members are responding to the president's tweet.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIPS)

REP. MARK MEADOWS (R), NORTH CAROLINA: This is not the end of the debate. You know, this is like -- I had one of my friends call me the other day, he says it's like saying that Tom Brady lost at halftime. You know, we are not -- we may be in overtime but I can tell you at the very end of the day, the most valuable player will be President Trump on this because he will deliver.

REP. JIM JORDAN (R), OHIO: Instead of doing the blame game, let's get to work. Let's do the responsible thing, let's get back to work and do what we told the voters we are going to do. Remember this bill, 17 percent of the country approve this bill. Maybe the fact that we oppose it we did the country a favor because this bill didn't repeal Obamacare.

(END VIDEO CLIPS)

KENNEDY: No, it absolutely didn't. It just gave a little whitewashing and a few rewrites. Eirc, do you think it is inappropriate to blame the Freedom Caucus for the failure of this legislation?

BOLLING: I think the Freedom Caucus is going to want that blame because the way the premiums and deductibles were going to work out, is they were going to peak at 2018 and 2019, which means with all those members are going to go up to the districts and have massively higher for most people in their districts -- massively higher premiums. They're going to get destroyed in the town halls.

So I think maybe it looks right now like it's their fault but I think there will be some form of replacement to Obamacare down the road, so that will be taken care of. In the meantime, it's time to get working on taxes guys and I understand that you wanted to do Obamacare first because you wanted a $1 trillion savings to put toward taxes. Do it anyway. Take the big what looks like may be deficit increasing tax cut and then fix it with the repeal of Obamacare. It took 17 months to get Obamacare through. They tried to get the replacement done in 17 days. Come on, they got time to do this.

KENNEDY: Yes, they got time, they had time, and now the White House says they're going to reach out to some of those moderate Democrats. My question for you, Bob Beckel, is there such a thing in 2017 as a moderate Democrat?

BECKEL: Well, not from your standpoint. We're all communist but I mean the --

KENNEDY: I'm a libertarian. How dare you?

BECKEL: OK, sorry about that.

KENNEDY: You've always been communist.

BECKEL: You know, interestingly enough, the Democrats now want very much to get into this game and they think they've got an idea about how they -- you know, if you look at some of the welfare reform (INAUDIBLE) in the '90s where Democrats and Republicans coming together. I think the Democrats have an opportunity here. I think Trump doesn't care about the Freedom Caucus to negotiate a deal.

And the Democrats will protect one thing that the Freedom Caucus will never agree to, which is Medicare reform and Medicare extensions. They just want to do away with Medicare. So, the Democrats should do across state lines, even tort reform, get some things done on Medicare and you get a bill that and they'll get it passed and the Freedom Caucus becomes insignificant. Right now this country is being held hostage by a bunch of right-wing cooks (ph).

KENNEDY: All right, so Meghan, you know, Bob brings up a good point which is buying insurance plans across straight lines, which is something you never hear Democrats talking about. Bernie Sanders came out with his single payer version of Utopia (ph) which will truly bankrupt the country and make health care so ordinary it's awful. So what is the way forward? Is it reaching out to these Democrats or is it just trying to get the Republicans back in order?

MCCAIN: You know, there really are a lot of lessons to be learned here but I do think and I'm, as you know, you and I see this through different lenses, but I don't think the Freedom Caucus can take all the blame here. And I'm surprised that's who's getting ahead of the blame. This bill was done privately, backdoor-wise by Paul Ryan. Then presented on a silver platter and said you agree with this or we're taking our ball and going home.

The American people are suffering right now. One in 10 -- I just looked this up -- one in 10 people in the American public want it to remain as is. It's a deeply unpopular bill still. And I just don't understand going forward how Republicans can't unite together for the good of the American public. Premiums up 125 percent in my home state of Arizona. I don't think Paul Ryan can sit there and say you have to accept this as is.

I also think the Freedom Caucus should meet in the middle. When we're talking about on a number today, I actually do believe compromise could have happened and could have been found had it not been so rushed through and had there not been this insistence on no bipartisan or inter-party -- I say bipartisan because there are two separate aspects of the party --, you know cooperation together and really do think it could've been done differently and we could have a different --

KENNEDY: I think you're absolutely right. I think if the bill were written differently, you would've seen more moderates and conservatives get on board with it, but Greg, what does the road forward look like? You know, Eric talks about tax reform. Does the president have to have a win on tax reform before he goes back to these various caucuses?

GUTFELD: I think so but the road will always be bumpy when you're a conservative Republican. Again, the difference between the left and the right, the left is an obedient cult. They fall in line. The right is as --

BECKEL: Here we go.

GUTFELD: No, it's true. The right is fractious as you know, Black Friday at Wal-Mart. We, you know, we -- the enemy, the perfect is the enemy of the good or whatever. We can't win them all. The worst thing you can do in my mind is the blame game because you just sit there and stew. It's like a marriage. If you're only interested in being right, you will always be wrong. So the whole key is to move along and also to take -- you got to -- I have to give Trump credit because he went for it and it humanized him. It humanized him.

KENNEDY: And his reaction when he had that press conference at the White House after the bill was pulled, but I want to bring up a point I would like you to address, Bob. And that is Reince Priebus says, you know, here's a good one, we should put in our pocket, taken then win and gone home. I think that's what Democrats did with Obamacare which was a horrible bill. They settled for something that was less than acceptable. And now it's in a death spiral and Republicans were smart not to make the same mistake in that regard.

BECKEL: You guys can talk about it being in death spiral. I want to see that proven -- 125 percent in Arizona is for certain small percentage of people who have --

MCCAIN: I'm sorry. I'm an Arizonian and the stories that are coming out of my home state are cataclysmic.

BECKEL: But I'm saying that the average of Arizonan does not pay 125 percent.

BOLLING: The average is somewhere around 30 percent inreases across the board.

BECKEL: Yes. And where was it before you had Obamacare?

(CROSSTALK)

MCCAIN: Wait, my home state is just (INAUDIBLE).

BECKEL: And by the way --

MCCAIN: That's the answer here, how dare you?

BECKEL: How dare me?

MCCAIN: I mean, I'm sorry but there are people that are paying more than their mortgage than their premiums right now and the problem as we've talking about all day is there is really is a bottom line for average Americans. Washington, D.C. is (INAUDIBLE) I'm angry at everybody. I'm angry Paul Ryan, I'm angry at the Freedom Caucus, I'm mad at President Trump, I'm mad at Democrats for putting in place to begin with.

But the bottom line is a lot of Americans are suffering. This is an unpopular bill that will implode as Eric talks about at length --

BECKEL: -- most poor people don't have (INAUDIBLE) by the way, but that's OK.

MCCAIN: I don't know -- I honestly don't worry about --

KENNEDY: -- they're underwater.

GUTFELD: Yes.

KENNEDY: I mean that's why we have the financial crisis --

(CROSSTALK)

MCCAIN: You shouldn't be so glib about something that is actively making people suffer across the country -- the hardest in my home state --

BOLLING: Very lastly, it's almost impossible to come up with a bill that would cost more than Obamacare but somehow the guys in D.C. figured that out. Paul Ryan and his --

MCCAIN: Can I ask you one question? Do you think there could have been compromised though give more time?

KENNEDY: I hate to compromise right now but we are up against a break so hard, its name is hardness. Coming up next, it caused a storm on the internet over the weekend. United Airlines blocked two teens from getting on a flight because of something they were wearing. An item of clothing lots of women wear all the time. Greg is wearing some now. The airline's explanation and our response, it's ahead.

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GUTFELD: United Airlines barred two teen girls from boarding a flight because their leggings violated a dress code. This set off our precious celebrity tweeters who frothed like cups of overheated cappuccino, mocking the airline for its sexism. It must feel so good for Chrissy Teigen, Patricia Arquette and LeVar Burton to unload on a giant faceless company and its poor employees just trying to do their damn jobs, which is what the gate agent was actually doing.

See the teens were boarding as pass travelers, i.e. they were flying for free as dependents of United employees. That means they represent the company and they got to follow their dress code. Being that company, United can enforce such rules. It's why I don't show up for "The Five" in hot pink leather cut-offs as much as I'd like to, and that's good for you. And the airline, I mean, since when did air travel turn into a sloppy slumber party? And I'm not talking just about women. Men, boys, girls, flip-flops. I don't need to see your toenails. Tank tops. Your hairy shoulders turned no one on.

KENNEDY: Thanks Greg.

GUTFELD: -- and spandex leggings, you are not a mime. Wear them when you do laundry. Without standards, who knows what we'll wear or not wear next? Travel like a pro, not like a hobo. That's my motto.

And as for the celeb outrage, you could stuff it especially Ms. Chucklenuts, Patricia Arquette. Last week she tweeted that terror attacks are likely faked to distract the world from Trump's Russian ties. Frankly, Patricia, that opinion looks far worse on you than a thong on Bob Beckel.

I have that picture still, Bob. So watch.

BECKEL: Don't be so quick to judge.

GUTFELD: All right. I'm going to go to the ladies first, or women, as I like to call them. And I spell it with a W-O-M-Y-N, Kennedy. I think is - - I say good for United. What do you say?

KENNEDY: I don't have a problem with it. This is -- you know, it's a company. This is not the government squashing someone's First Amendment rights.

GUTFELD: Yes.

KENNEDY: And frankly, these girls should have had their parents explain to them what the dress code is for pass travelers.

GUTFELD: Yes.

KENNEDY: And I remember a time when I used to fly in the '20s and '30s, Greg.

GUTFELD: Yes.

KENNEDY: We wore hats, and the men wore suits with full lapels and cummerbunds.

GUTFELD: Yes.

KENNEDY: And we all had smoking jackets and cravats.

GUTFELD: Cravats. Cravats never go out of style in my world.

Meghan, what do you think about this? I mean, people now travel in leggings carrying giant bedroom pillows.

MCCAIN: Yes, I know. I mean, listen, I as a general rule, don't like telling women what to wear, where to wear it or how to wear it. They can do whatever they want.

GUTFELD: But what if it's your company?

MCCAIN: I -- the thing is, if you travel at all, and I travel almost every weekend, you see people wearing snuggies and pajamas to the airport.

GUTFELD: Yes.

MCCAIN: I don't specifically understand why it was these girls that got the wrath of United.

But anything that Patricia Arquette and Chrissy Teigen are against, I kind of have to be for, so I guess I change my position. And it would be good if some of these celebrities put their platforms to good use by talking about, you know, veterans waiting...

GUTFELD: Right.

MCCAIN: ... doubled over in pain at the V.A.

KENNEDY: Or privatizing the TSA, a real issue with airports.

GUTFELD: Or what about the injustice towards women in radical Islam, in countries where...

MCCAIN: Exactly.

GUTFELD: ... that's going on? I don't remember Chrissy Teigen ever tweeting on that, Eric.

BOLLING: So I would agree with you, Greg. I think you aptly point out that, when you're flying for free...

GUTFELD: Yes.

BOLLING: ... you're representing the company. Just like in a football stadium, you can't show up with your own jersey. You're representing the team.

I love the free-market solution, though. Delta -- not United but Delta -- tweeted today, hey -- where is this? "Flying Delta means comfort, meaning you can wear your leggings" with a smiley face. So they're just playing with them a little bit.

GUTFELD: Yes. The leggings and the shirt over the leggings, I don't know. It's like that's what mimes wear. Nobody likes mimes, especially you, Bob.

BECKEL: No, I certainly don't.

First of all, I'm going to miss those pink hot pants of yours. I thought they were really the highlight of some of our days.

Yes, I'm going to surprise you. I'm going to agree with United on this. I mean, I think if they are flying for free -- and by the way, I think, if I'm not mistaken, her father -- their father got on before them, and he must've known what the dress code was. Right?

BOLLING: He was wearing leggings, too.

BECKEL: He was? Was he wearing a thong?

BOLLING: All right. You always have to take it one step further. There's the line, and Beckel is like...

BECKEL: Exactly.

BOLLING: ... over there.

BECKEL: Exactly. But I don't -- I don't understand what the -- why they can't just do what they're supposed to do if you're going to fly for free. I mean, I -- if I could fly for free first class, of course...

BOLLING: Of course.

BECKEL: ... I'd wear...

GUTFELD: God knows what you'd wear, Bob.

You know, the other part of the story? This probably never would've been a story, but like, a fellow traveler and blogger overheard it. It wasn't even a big deal. They were -- some of the girls actually found clothes to put on. But the fellow traveler and blogger, Miss Busybody, had to do something. Those are the worst people, the people that sit there...

MCCAIN: The people that live tweet up on planes? They're the worst type of people ever.

GUTFELD: Chrissy Teigen is the worst.

MCCAIN: I just hate people that live tweet about other people on a plan.

GUTFELD: I know.

MCCAIN: Things like that.

GUTFELD: And half of it's made up.

BECKEL: I agree with Kennedy. I like the days when you used to wear ties and jackets. Now they don't do showers.

GUTFELD: Yes.

BECKEL: That's the problem.

KENNEDY: I wear a boa and sequins, even on a quick commuter flight.

BECKEL: Really?

KENNEDY: Are you kidding me, Bob?

MCCAIN: An evening gown.

BECKEL: I bet -- I bet you swore on those flights, too.

KENNEDY: I'm the grand dame of Continental. No longer exists.

GUTFELD: We have -- oh, Continental. Remember TWA?

KENNEDY: Do I!

GUTFELD: Oh, jeez. All right. We're old. Or I am.

Up next -- up next, an update from the president on his efforts to secure the border and a stern warning from his attorney general for sanctuary cities that protect illegals, ahead.

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BECKEL: This week, President Trump tweeted his efforts to stop illegals from crossing our southern border, tweeting, "General Kelly is doing a great job of the border. Numbers are way down. Many are not trying to come in any more."

Earlier at the White House, his attorney general, Jeff Sessions, delivered a new warning to states and cities that provide sanctuary to the undocumented in violation of the administration's orders.

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JEFF SESSIONS, U.S. ATTORNEY GENERAL: Countless Americans would be alive today, and countless loved ones would not be grieving today if these policies of sanctuary cities were ended.

Today, I'm urging states and local jurisdictions to comply with these federal laws.

Failure to remedy violations could result in withholding grants, termination of grants, and disbarment or ineligibility for future grants. I strongly urge our nation's states and cities and counties to consider carefully the harm they are doing to their citizens by refusing to enforce our immigration laws, and to rethink these policies.

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BECKEL: Yes, I still don't understand what he said. The -- here's a couple of facts. I want to throw it around the table.

One, more illegals were leaving the country than coming in last year, under the Obama administration. Two, what he's talking about, the sanctuary cities, the sanctions they're going to put on states that are sanctuaries or -- states of cities, were put into place by the Obama administration last August. So Jeff, get yourself some new material, all right? Go on "Saturday Night Live."

BOLLING: It's important that you note that, though, Bob.

BECKEL: What?

BOLLING: This is very important. A lot of people are saying, well, what do you do about sanctuary cities? Conservatives on the right would say, "We'll cut off funding." Not only the funding that they're reimbursed for when they hold an illegal in these sanctuary areas, but also cut off bigger -- bigger picture funding.

And I went back and tried to figure out how can you legally do that. And what President Obama did, executive order, is he earmarked or he was pushing the earmarked education funding to -- to cities that didn't uphold federal law.

BECKEL: Yes.

BOLLING: I mean, that's fantastic. So all Trump is doing is, once again, taking a law that President Obama put in place, and he's actually enforcing it.

BECKEL: Except what they're talking about here is cutting off funding for law enforcement, which is -- seems to me to be counterproductive, if you're.

BOLLING: Worse than education?

BECKEL: Well, no, no. I think both of them, probably, are absolutely legitimacy to them. But I'm not sure I would start with law enforcement. That's all.

GUTFELD: Do you know how you punish a city like that?

BECKEL: How?

GUTFELD: You elect another liberal mayor. I mean, think about it. How do you threaten a city like Chicago? Under Rahm Emanuel, it's done more damage than anybody possibly could. There's -- I mean, it's a joke.

By the way, all these pro-sanctuary cities are nothing but virtue signaling. They don't mean anything, just people going, "Look much I care."

But you don't even care about your own citizens, the people who are victims of crime. But you pretend to care about something like sanctuary cities, because there's no capital being expended on your part. You just seem so romantic, you know. Screw you.

MCCAIN: No, the left is really good at politicizing emotion: "Oh, you heartless, whatever, conservative if you're against sanctuary cities." Talk to Kate Steinle's family if you think this is still a good idea.

I've never understood the concept of a sanctuary city. You and I have talked about this, that we're just going to have a sanctuary area of New York where I don't pay taxes, and I can do whatever I want...

GUTFELD: Oh, yes.

MCCAIN: ... and be completely lawless, because I really see absolutely no difference between doing that and doing this.

There are real-life ramifications. There's plenty of stories in the news. Fourteen-year-old girl raped by illegal immigrants that were in sanctuary - - was in a sanctuary city just last week.

I just think President Trump ran on hardline immigration. He's delivering it, and I'm not going to have my emotions manipulated by the left, simply because he's continuing to enforce the laws that are already in place.

BECKEL: Kennedy, you're a libertarian.

KENNEDY: Hi, Bob.

BECKEL: I assume you would like -- you'd just, like, let them come in and smoke dope on the beach. Right?

KENNEDY: What?

BECKEL: What's wrong with that?

KENNEDY: Sounds like a great idea.

GUTFELD: A great idea. I'm there tomorrow.

KENNEDY: However...

GUTFELD: Tomorrow.

MCCAIN: That's exactly Kennedy's platform.

KENNEDY: ... I've got work to do. I'd love to come to one of your pleasure parties, but...

MCCAIN: That's exactly Kennedy's platform.

KENNEDY: But here's the thing. You know, Meghan, you -- you and Greg talk about virtue signaling, and you're absolutely right. Oftentimes these exercises on the left are "look how great I am."

GUTFELD: Right.

KENNEDY: But on the right, conversely, it's "look how tough I am."

GUTFELD: True.

KENNEDY: But Bob brings up a really good point. There have been fewer people coming into this country and more leaving as the Great Recession...

GUTFELD: Right.

KENNEDY: ... continues to linger. You also have, believe it or not, some -- some market reforms in Mexico that have improved the economy there. But Mexico...

GUTFELD: Making Mexico great again.

KENNEDY: They're trying to, but...

BOLLING: That doesn't mean you look the other way on -- on people...

KENNEDY: Yes, you do not -- but that's my final point.

BOLLING: ... who are here illegally.

KENNEDY: If someone does something bad, whether they are from here or they are just visiting or they have overstayed a visa, they need not continue to participate in a a free and prosperous country.

BECKEL: We've got to go -- we've got to go to our tease. Greg, let me ask you one question. You live in a sanctuary city. Has one thing happened to you because of the sanctuary city?

GUTFELD: A lot of things...

BECKEL: OK.

GUTFELD: But I can't mention it here, though, because I asked for it.

BECKEL: You started drinking tequila.

Ahead, more U.S. troops are heading overseas to drive ISIS out of Iraq.

KENNEDY: He has a pretty mouth (ph).

BECKEL: The prime minister tears into President Obama for abandoning the fight. Next.

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MCCAIN: A few months ago, the U.S. helped drive out ISIS from the eastern parts of Mosul, Iraq's second largest city. Now we're sending in 200 more troops to regain control of the western part of the city. Two companies from 82nd Airborne Division have been deployed to help liberate Mosul. Iraq's prime minister predicted ISIS will be defeated within weeks, and he's not crediting the Obama administration for the help.

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CHRIS WALLACE, FOX NEWS ANCHOR: Do you see a difference between President Trump's determination to destroy ISIS and President Obama's?

HAIDER AL-ABADI, IRAQI PRIME MINISTER: I can see a very powerful determination to defeat DAISH.

WALLACE: But more determination with President Trump than President Obama?

AL-ABADI: Well, yes, I can see that determination. President Obama didn't want to get involved in the first place. He just want to just forget Iraq. There was a lot of pressure on President Obama to come to the help of Iraq. While I think at the moment, there is understanding that Iraq is an ally, and we should keep on working with Iraq to support Iraq, to stand against terrorists.

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MCCAIN: You know, Eric, I'll start with you first. I mean, I thought that was no disrespect to the Iraqi prime minister, but of course President Trump is harder on ISIS and more committed to solving our problems in the Middle East than President Obama was.

BOLLING: Yes, President Obama couldn't wait for Iraq to go away and thought it was going away, and it didn't go away on him.

I'm in the camp -- and I've been saying this for years -- that I hate the fact that we get involved in these Middle East conflicts. I just don't like them. This is the one that I think you have the opportunity to now put ISIS out, completely out of Iraq. You've got to finish the job. We spend a trillion dollars, and we have thousands of lives gone. Finish the job there. As far as Syria, man, I don't know we pick up that fight. I mean, if you drive them out of Iraq into Syria, I'm fine with letting the Russians take care of that mess.

BECKEL: That's a good point to make. I -- Syria is -- is a no-win situation. I mean, it's complicated. Who the rebels are is not at all clear. The Russians clearly are aligned with Bashir [SIC]. And it's going to be problems with the United States.

But it is the same prime minister, by the way, who shot his mouth off when we wanted a status of forces agreement; and he refused to go along with it. We wanted a status of forces to leave more troops in, but this punk refused to go along with it.

KENNEDY: Whoa.

BECKEL: And so I...

GUTFELD: Term (ph).

BECKEL: ... I could care less what this guy thinks. I'm surprised he speaks English as well as he does.

KENNEDY: Anywho...

GUTFELD: Yes.

MCCAIN: OK, moving on.

GUTFELD: Uncle Bob.

MCCAIN: Kennedy, what do you think about sending 200 troops in right now?

KENNEDY: I don't know. I mean, it seems as though, if you don't have a clear strategy, you're putting American warriors in harm's way. And I think that's what we saw that was the biggest mistake that the Obama administration made, is not really having understanding, first of all, of how the region works, which, you know, granted, it is so complicated.

And to Bob's point, you don't know who your friends are. You have no idea who your enemies are, how many of them there are. But there's a pretty good chance that they will be armed with your weapons within a few years as alliances shift.

And, you know, I agree with Eric. Syria is such a disaster. And what -- what Assad and the Russians have done in Aleppo alone. That humanitarian crisis. It is -- it is unforgiveable.

MCCAIN: It's a dystopian hellhole.

KENNEDY: Yes, it really is. I mean, there's really no other way of explaining it. So it's hard to see that 200 troops are going to make enough of a difference, first of all, to defeat ISIS and second of all, more importantly, getting us out of the Middle East for good.

MCCAIN: Thoughts, Greg?

GUTFELD: The difference between President Obama and President Trump is, if you think you have all the answers, then you never ask the right questions. And when we did this story in Afghanistan about ambassador and what did he say about Trump, that Trump asked him the right questions.

So I think the reason why President Obama missed ISIS to begin with is because he felt he had all the answers. And ISIS didn't fit in his answer key. It wasn't there, so therefore, it wasn't a problem.

At least with Trump, he admits if he doesn't have the answers he's willing to ask the right questions.

MCCAIN: Yes, President Obama was also simultaneously arrogant and naive, which also didn't help anything. But this issue ought to be continued.

GUTFELD: They usually go together.

MCCAIN: All right. "One More" -- "One More Thing" is up next.

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BOLLING: All right. Time for "One More Thing." Before I do my One More Thing, look what's outside our studio, adorable little girl. Look at that poster she made of "The Five." You can see all of us down there at the bottom and Jasper up in the corner.

GUTFELD: Boo!

BOLLING: OK, my "One More Thing." Ainsley Earhardt has a nice sit-down interview with Eric and Lara Trump about their new baby announcement and how Donald Trump reacted. Take a listen.

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ERIC TRUMP, SON OF DONALD TRUMP: What was amazing was how excited my father was. I mean...

AINSLEY EARHARDT, "FOX & FRIENDS": Yes, what was the reaction?

E. TRUMP: He was just on cloud nine. We were, in fact, joking with him. He saw Lara at the big event a few weeks ago in Tennessee, and she went out and introduced him. And before, he goes, "Lara, it's a boy, I can't wait. It's a boy."

LARA TRUMP, ERIC TRUMP'S WIFE: Told everybody that was in the room and I was like, "Oh, we haven't told anyone."

E. TRUMP: We haven't told anybody yet.

EARHARDT: It was a surprise?

L. TRUMP: He's notorious for that. It was awesome.

E. TRUMP: He is super excited.

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BOLLING: Congratulations to the family. Also, Ainsley's interview airs tomorrow morning on "FOX & Friends." Don't miss it.

All right. Greg's up.

GUTFELD: All right. I have an article up at FOXnews.com/opinion. It's on identity politics, the biological fraud.

Now it's time for this.

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GUTFELD: Greg's Smelting News

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GUTFELD: You know, I love any news about smelting. Let's go to the smelting experts.

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RACHEL MADDOW, MSNBC HOST: If you dry alumina out and you take it to your metal processing plant, you take it to your smelters, you process that dry alumina powder into liquid aluminum.

The smelting process, smelters. Aluminum smelters.

Big, big aluminum smelters.

Giant aluminum smelters.

He started sleeping at his smelters. Sabotage in his smelters.

Came to his smelters.

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GUTFELD: Like I said over the weekend, whoever smelt it.

BOLLING: What's your favorite fish?

GUTFELD: Smelt.

BOLLING: Obviously.

KENNEDY: Delta smelt.

BOLLING: Delta smelt.

Bob, you're up.

BECKEL: Smelt this. First of all, this is why, you know, his politics stink, Eric Bolling, but that little girl, tells you a lot about him.

MCCAIN: Yes.

BECKEL: He's a good man.

OK. Adding to the North -- University of North Carolina's NCAA championship fight -- sorry, lore was a shot that was done -- you can see right here -- with less than a second left. And it went in, and they beat North Carolina [SIC]. Well...

MCCAIN: Kentucky.

BOLLING: North Carolina beat Kentucky.

BECKEL: North Carolina beat Kentucky. Thank you.

And that was Luke Maye, who was not a powerful No. 1 guy on the team. But nonetheless. The big news for him was the next day, the guy made an 8 a.m. business class at school; and he walked in, and he got applause from all of his students. He's a very smart guy. And congratulations. Sometimes we only see the athletic side of things, but he did a wonderful job.

BOLLING: That was a clutch shot.

Meghan, you're up.

MCCAIN: That's awesome. OK. There were two newborn babies, coincidentally named Romeo and Juliet, born 18 hours apart in the same hospital. And...

BECKEL: The same mother?

MCCAIN: Same hospital. No, different parents. And they had a Shakespeare-themed photo shoot in honor of the hospital. They did it for them.

KENNEDY: Aww!

MCCAIN: I saw it was so cute, I couldn't handle it. Their parents are Morgan and Edwin Hernandez. That's Juliet's parents. Allan Uman [SIC] and Christiana Schifflett. Reunited Friday to create this memory. I thought it was adorable.

KENNEDY: Star-crossed diapers.

BECKEL: That is adorable.

GUTFELD: Yes. A play that didn't end well.

BOLLING: Kennedy, you're up.

KENNEDY: All right. Well, you know how much I love Mickey D's. Not as much as Loraine Maurer. She is 94 years old. She's been working at McDonald's in Evansville, Indiana, for 44 years.

BOLLING: Wow.

KENNEDY: Just had a big celebration. She's been working there since 1973. She's got four kids, six grandchildren, seven great-grandchildren.

It's the relationship she has with her beloved customers that keep her going and punching that clock year after year after year. She says, "If you don't like your job, it's a job. But I love it."

Loraine, your story is amazing. I'm loving it.

GUTFELD: There's nobody ever unhappy at McDonald's. Everybody's happy.

BECKEL: What are you talking about? You ever been at a drive-thru at 2 in the morning?

GUTFELD: Yes. That's when I'm at my happiest.

BECKEL: Well, that's because you were drunk and you didn't notice it.

KENNEDY: Not at the drive-thru, Bob!

GUTFELD: No, I walk there.

BECKEL: Oh, you do? OK.

GUTFELD: You know, you can walk to the drive-thru.

KENNEDY: Some places.

BOLLING: That right?

GUTFELD: Yes. I do it.

KENNEDY: A lot of places, they call the police.

BECKEL: You can get mugged, too, as you walk down there.

BOLLING: We better go. Set your DVR so you never miss an episode of "The Five." That's it for us. "Special Report" is coming up next.

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