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DHS reports steep drop in number of illegal border crossings

In the first month of the Trump presidency, illegal border crossings dropped 40 percent

 

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," March 9, 2017. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Hello. I'm Greg Gutfeld with Kimberly Guilfoyle, Juan Williams, Eric Bolling, and Lisa Boothe -- "The Five."

So, in the first month of the Trump presidency, illegal border crossings have dropped 40 percent in a period when you usually see an uptick of 20 percent. That's about 31,000 to roughly 19,000 people. To paraphrase Joe Biden: this is a BFD -- a big fabulous deal.

Seriously, we just slashed bad behavior nearly in half in a month. That is like Keith Olbermann losing 40 percent of his brain cells since Trump got elected or Michael Moore losing a chin in 30 days or Hilary losing Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania in one day. It's what you call an achievement. And one that would be big news if there weren't other big news shooting into space like a t-shirt canon every 12 minutes.

The fact is if you want stricter border enforcement, just announcing that idea can do half the job. The blind eye, once turned, is now wide open and it's staring right back at you. Now that illegals know the welcome mat is gone, why take the trek? Certain capture becomes, in a way, its own wall.

So, get this: It's now is hard to get into America as it is to get into Mexico. Think about who this really helps and hurts. It hurts the ruthless coyotes who victimize the people they transport here and it helps the folks who are no longer abused and raped by these ghouls.

Trump just made Mexico great again. It's a shame that such success is overshadowed by early-morning Tweets. But maybe it's a good thing: While the media gets bogged down in words, deeds quietly get done. Maybe that's been the strategy all along.

That was interesting. Kimberly, happy birthday, by the way.

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: Thank you.

LISA BOOTHE, GUEST CO-HOST: Happy birthday.

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GUILFOYLE: . widely rumored to be my birthday.

GUTFELD: It is. You never age though.

GUILFOYLE: . and not confirm or deny.

BOOTHE: Exactly.

GUTFELD: You're like Dorian Gray, somewhere in an attic there was a painting of you just getting old but you stay young.

GUILFOYLE: In your attic. I'm not crazy.

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GUTFELD: Well, there are a lot of things in my attic. I can't believe that belongs to you.

GUILFOYLE: All right.

GUTFELD: Do you think this is an accomplishment?

GUILFOYLE: Do I -- the whole thing an accomplishment?

GUTFELD: Yes.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, I mean .

GUTFELD: The 40 percent drop.

GUILFOYLE: Absolutely. But guess what? Everybody else is burying the lead, right? Because they want to take cheap shots at President Trump. They want to do anything they can to dismantle and delay his forward progress, the momentum that he has. This is a key area. He was very strong on this in terms of his campaign and throughout the election. And now, he is actually returning dividends to the American people and delivering on his promises. This is great for the supporters. It is bad for the detractors because this kind of facts and progress makes them uncomfortable.

GUTFELD: It's interesting, Eric, it's almost because of the change in policy, right? That has bogged this.

BOLLING: So, he says he empowers his border agents to go after illegals and actually catches them instead of the old .

GUILFOYLE: Catch and release.

BOLLING: . catch and release the Obama -- and by the way, when the Obama administration or a border agent under the Obama administration catch and release an illegal come across, they counted as a deportation.

GUTFELD: Right.

BOLLING: So, that's why you're seeing a lot of the numbers go down because now border agents actually catch them and they don't release them. And guess what happens when there's a penalty from -- to an activity, to doing something? That activity goes down.

GUTFELD: Right.

BOLLING: When they caught, they realize we're not going to do this anymore. I am thrilled that we're leading the show with this. I mean I am just so happy that we're not like, you know, every other show on every other network, even on this network, where there were just ad nauseam going at this Obamacare thing. We're going to get to it, but this is big news. This is, as you point out, the crime that they are committing but also the real economic damage that they are doing so Americans were trying to work and the economic damage they are doing to the American taxpayer when we are providing benefits to the illegals.

GUTFELD: What do you think, Lisa? Do you this is temporary like they're just wait -- they're kind of like waiting until everything cools down or is this going to be a permanent change you think?

BOOTHE: No. I think it's going to be permanent change. And in short, I would just say the, like what do you think happens when the president of the United States says, "Hey, we are actually going to follow the laws on the books and they allow -- illegality at the border is going to stop." Of course, it's going to be a deterrent. What I found interesting also because if you look at the numbers, that October before the election, they saw I think it was nearly 67,000 illegal immigrants that tried crossing the border, which is basically back to that 2014 when we saw that summer of the border surge from individuals coming from central America. So, I wonder why right before the election we saw this, you know, record high number of individuals or illegal immigrants trying to cross into country.

BOLLING: Why, Juan?

BOOTHE: Yes. Why, Juan?

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BOOTHE: Hello, Juan.

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GUTFELD: Is this cause and effect? Is this strictly a correlation? It's coincidental that this is happening or is it cause and effect what Trump is doing has caused this to happen and how do you feel about that?

JUAN WILLIAMS, CO-HOST: I think it probably is cause and effect. I think -- I think the rhetoric is amped up and it's anti-immigrant rhetoric.

GUTFELD: Illegal immigrants.

WILLIAMS: No. I think -- I think overall anti .

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WILLIAMS: I am too, but I think that the Trump rhetoric is anti-immigrant and I think -- let me just finish the thought.

GUTFELD: He married an immigrant.

WILLIAMS: That's fine, but he is not talking about .

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WILLIAMS: You know what I mean? Yes.

GUTFELD: But she had to marry -- he had to marry a Mexican.

WILLIAMS: No. I'm saying the kind of -- what you're seeing here is anti- immigrant rhetoric. And remember, both of the immigrants, both legal and illegal are Mexican, right? So, just think about .

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WILLIAMS: But here is my point to your talking point, which is that, yes, I do believe that Donald Trump -- President Trump's rhetoric has had an effect because I think people think, you know, this is not welcoming, but I see some bigger effects that reflected in the fact that there is net zero migration at the border now for some time and the key reasons there are, one, the great recession that took place; two, I think that there is more .

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WILLIAMS: Yes. And that's what -- it drove it down. We have seen since 20 - - you know, going back 50 years, this is a -- just about the lowest point for people crossing the border legally or illegally, Eric. So, what you got .

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BOLLING: President Obama has record deportation.

WILLIAMS: . but I think you have stricter enforcement and more deportations.

BOLLING: President Obama had record deportations.

WILLIAMS: I'm saying this .

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BOLLING: . far more than Bush.

WILLIAMS: I'm saying all of that contributed to what is the big picture here. So, what Greg was talking about is for the last two months .

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GUILFOYLE: That President Trump is the bad guy.

WILLIAMS: I didn't say he was the bad guy.

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GUILFOYLE: You said his rhetoric was anti-immigrant.

WILLIAMS: I agree with that.

GUILFOYLE: Yes. I -- no. You said that you agree with .

WILLIAMS: That's what I said.

GUILFOYLE: So, you agreed with yourself, but just charming. Except his rhetoric isn't anti-immigrant. In fact, he has a wholehearted approach to welcome immigrants, but we should not .

GUTFELD: And there's a giant door.

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GUILFOYLE: . and we should not be allowing people who are criminal recidivists to reenter the country in a revolving door over and over again.

WILLIAMS: Let me just say. I think the big news today was when Mitch McConnel said, the Senate majority leader, said when they asked him, who is going to build that wall? Who is going to pay for that wall? Is Mexico going to pay for that wall? He said, "No."

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BOLLING: Why does Mitch McConnell has to say who is going to pay for the wall?

WILLIAMS: Oh, you don't think the Senate has anything to do .

BOLLING: No, no.

WILLIAMS: . approving the money.

BOLLING: I think the House -- I think the House will approve it.

WILLIAMS: It doesn't matter .

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BOLLING: I think the House will approve it and then .

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BOLLING: . if the House approves and sends a bill -- spending bill to the Senate and says, "We have this money for the wall." Do you think Mitch McConnell is not going to get 50 votes to say, "Let's pay for that wall."

WILLIAMS: He;s not going to .

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GUILFOYLE: Good luck with reelection then.

BOOTHE: So, Juan, would you -- so would you just -- so, President Trump said a nation without a border is not a nation. Do you disagree with that? Do you not think sovereign nations have a right to control the borders and control .

WILLIAMS: Of course.

BOOTHE: . illegality of the border?

WILLIAMS: That's not really the issue that's really on the table today.

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WILLIAMS: The issue really is there are 11 million or 12 million people .

BOOTHE: . on illegal immigrants coming into the United States .

WILLIAMS: That's fine.

BOOTHE: . how do we not have the right to control that?

WILLIAMS: No, no, no. As Eric was saying or was it Greg? You know, we had a record number of deportations under President Obama.

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BOOTHE: . under President Trump just now.

GUTFELD: You know, it's interesting .

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BOLLING: I'm sorry but the reason why I said that, Juan, is you claimed that there was net zero migration because of the bad economy and I said last year and the year before were record deportations under the president -- any president. So, what happened in the last month or so? They stopped emigrating?

WILLIAMS: They stopped immigrating.

BOLLING: Yes. Immigrating and emigrating. They stopped coming here.

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WILLIAMS: What we're saying is that people are leaving. In other words, there are people who are leaving because of economic .

BOLLING: In the last month.

WILLIAMS: No, no, no. Over this period. I mean one connection would be .

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WILLIAMS: I think it was 2014 when you saw the surge. I think Lisa mentioned when people were coming Central America.

BOOTHE: Yes, which we saw to the lead up of President Obama's executive action on immigration as well. It was a lead up to that November announcement when we saw the record high. I wonder why. Also after DACA as well because when you basically send a message to illegal immigrants that if you come here, you know, we're essentially going to turn our back on it. Of course, we're going to .

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GUTFELD: I want to -- I want to get to something else because I've been -- I'm always interested in Jorge Ramos.

BOOTHE: I agree with you.

GUTFELD: He and Tucker Carlson got together and that he -- Tucker Carlson has a show on Fox News, doing pretty good.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, really?

BOOTHE: Yes. Very popular.

GUTFELD: It's not a bad show at all. I suggest you watch it. Here is Jorge and Tucker talking about what we were talking about.

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JORGE RAMOS, MEXICAN-BORN AMERICAN JOURNALIST: This is our country. It's yours. It is mine and it is ours. The interesting thing is that with the Trump administration and many people who support Donald Trump, they think it's their country, that it is a white country, and they are absolutely wrong. This is not a white country. In 2044, this country, the white population will become a minority. They will be a minority and majority of the country -- that's precisely what I'm saying, Latinos, Asians, African- Americans, and whites. It is our country, Tucker.

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GUTFELD: But you know what is doing, which is what kind of -- what I want to talk to you, Kimberly .

GUILFOYLE: In devisive.

GUTFELD: Yes. Well, he is conflating concern over illegal immigration with bigotry. In fact, there is a difference between illegal immigration and legal immigration. He is actually being the bigot. He is conflating the two.

GUILFOYLE: We've heard that somewhere.

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GUILFOYLE: OK. But it's really true. But see, he needs fuel for his fire. So, he's going to go that way. He's going to conflate it because the only way that he can try and move the ball forward for his side by then saying that everybody else is racist. This isn't your country. This isn't a white country. It's our country. We're going to take it over. He'll say Latino, Hispanic, Asians, et cetera. How is that anything that's unified and bring -- how is that respecting immigrants and people will come from all over the world to be here in the United States. That's what makes this country great, not being divisive and say, "No. This is just a country of minorities," or, "No, this is just a country for white Americans." I mean he is really doing his argument and his people a disservice. As a Latina, I tell you that.

WILLIAMS: So, let me -- let me -- let me defend myself and indirectly let me defend Jorge Ramos .

BOLLING: Yes.

WILLIAMS: . which is to say, one, guess what? I think it's like 90-plus percent of the illegal immigrants in the country have committed no crimes. And yet, how do we -- how is this discussion often framed by the president of the United States who brings victims of crimes perpetrated by illegal immigrants into the Congress.

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BOOTHE: It's a crime they come here illegally.

WILLIAMS: What?

BOOTHE: It's a crime in itself to come here illegally. That's why it's called illegal immigrants. That is against the law.

WILLIAMS: Let me just say that is -- that is so old at this point. These people are here. Most of them have been here for more than 10 years. They are not criminals, and that's the real discussion about immigration, legal and illegal in the United States.

BOLLING: Just let me clear something up that Jorge Ramos has done. He has done this time and time again. And Bob Beckel has even done it in this show. When you say whites will become a minority in 2044, that's a very, very loaded thing to say. Whites will become a minority in 2044 if you include Hispanics nations -- when you look at ethnicity not race. If you go by race, that number is not even close. Right now, black or the African- American population is .

WILLIAMS: 13 percent.

BOLLING: 13 percent, Latin American population is 17 .

WILLIAMS: 16 TO 17.

BOLLING: 16 TO 17 Percent. So, in order for whites to become the minority in race, it will happen. It will happen a lot further down the road.

GUTFELD: Jorge Ramos is bringing it up in a way to gin up beer (ph).

GUILFOYLE: Of course, he is.

GUTFELD: That's all he is doing. He is just saying, "You guys, this is going to end like I don't care. I honestly don't care what the country looks like."

WILLIAMS: I think he was using defensive works .

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WILLIAMS: I think he was using defensively. He is saying that he thinks Trump is stirring up white resentment.

GUILFOYLE: And what is he doing? What a hypocrite. What is he doing? Honestly, he is a provocateur. That's what he is. And he doesn't equip himself with the facts, so enough of him.

BOOTHE: Nice draw.

GUTFELD: All right. Ahead, some big developments in the war against ISIS. The president has put more men on the ground overseas on the frontline. Details when "The Five" returns.

GUILFOYLE: Men? Women wear boots too.

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DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF America: As promised, I directed the Department of Defense to develop a plan to demolish and destroy ISIS, a network of lawless savages. We will work with our allies, including our friends and allies in the Muslim world to extinguish this vile enemy from our planet.

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GUILFOYLE: Love it. Music to my ears. The commander in chief vows we're going to destroy ISIS and he is taking action, deploying a couple hundred marines to Syria to begin purging Islamic terrorists from the capital of Raqqa. Later this month, the Trump administration is expected to hold a summit of more than 60 countries to strategize on how to wipe ISIS off the map. This is music to my ears, Bolling.

BOLLING: Yes.

GUILFOYLE: Strong strategy. This is another campaign promise that he made that he was going to wipe them off the map. Not degrade, not tickle, not what .

BOLLING: Tickle?

GUILFOYLE: Well, this is how it was. I mean when you can say the word, right? Radical Islamic terrorism. So, here it is, wipe them off the map.

BOLLING: Yes. And he used radical Islamic terror and he said he was going to do this in his joint session of Congress last week or a couple of days ago. The interesting thing is he's got 60 countries jumping on board, right? So, it's kind of like NATO. Yes, you want protection. You want to have these bilateral or trilateral, quad lateral agreements, that's great, but you got to pay your fair share if you want the security. Hey, 60 nations, you want ISIS off the map as we all do, we have to get involved too. And that's Donald Trump's skill and probably the reason why he was elected because he is the art of the deal, right? He's going to make a deal with these people that collectively the globe will be safer because of the elimination of ISIS but everyone is going to have to pitch in.

GUILFOYLE: All right. Fantastic. So, Lisa, what do you think about this? It's another campaign promise he is putting it forward and checking the box?

BOOTHE: I think what's important that President Trump has done that hasn't gotten a lot of credit for is simply asking for a comprehensive plan from his military leaders and Secretary Mattis. And General Jakin (ph) has said this in the criticism of President Obama that President Obama never asked for a comprehensive plan and also mind you, asking for someone like Secretary Mattis who served as the head of CentCom (ph). So, this is a guy who is intimately familiar with the Middle East, a lot of the problems that we face. And one of the big criticisms -- I can't talk -- of President Trump was the fact that he wouldn't listen to his military leaders, but that's exactly what he was doing with this. So, I think it's important to take note of that.

Kimberly: OK. And Greg, he is also coalition building in terms of having other countries put skin and cash in the game.

GUTFELD: And you know what we've seen for the past eight years in this manner? It's always about climate change. It's always about the incremental increases in Celsius and getting all of the countries around the world to spend trillions and trillions of dollars to offset a tiny fraction of a change in temperature that may or may not happen based on the climate models. What he is dealing with terror change, which is an exponential change in the risk due to the merits of technology and toxic doctrine. So, instead of having a climate summit, we're actually having a terrorist summit, which is incredibly important. And before anybody starts talking about, "Oh, you know, you're a chicken hawk for wanting boots on the ground." If you talk to any of his soldiers, whether they're green berets or they're SEALS, they are salivating at the opportunity of killing these people because it's a once-in-a-lifetime chance to truly fight and destroy evil and they want to be on the ground. They want to do this. We are not imposing anything on the military to have them go and eviscerate evil. Having said that, there will be a risk that maybe somebody will get captured and that we have to see that on our TVs and we have to be able to be strong enough to endure it and hope and pray that doesn't happen, but .

GUILFOYLE: And respect their decision .

GUTFELD: Right.

GUILFOYLE: . and their choice to serve in a voluntary armed forces.

GUTFELD: And they want to.

GUILFOYLE: They want to. They are good at it. They want to do their job. The rules of engagement have been put back to what they were before because under the Obama administration they were just strangling this and in fact making them less safe on the ground and in the theater. Juan, what do you think this, the coalition with 60 countries coming together?

WILLIAMS: That's fine with me. I'm still waiting for the grand plan that Mr. Trump said he had to defeat ISIS. Where is the plan? I don't see it. So, he goes to General Mattis and General Mattis says, "OK. We would like some more troops," and he's going to give him more troops. But guess what? I don't think the American people want more troops in the Middle East settling somebody else's .

GUTFELD: I think they want to fight ISIS.

WILLIAMS: And while they're glad to fight ISIS, if you tell them exactly, "Here is the endpoint. Here is how we are going to do it and here's how we're going to count up victory." Because right now we don't have that.

BOLLING: Well, why he said he wasn't doing to do that, Juan? He said from the beginning I don't have to broadcast what's .

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GUTFELD: . why broadcast the plan?

WILLIAMS: Why not have a plan (inaudible) as the American people. The reason he got .

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WILLIAMS: . he said -- no. What he says is we're going to put a thousand more boots on the ground, right? A thousand more .

GUILFOYLE: The plan was .

WILLIAMS: . is that going to be it, Greg, or is that the first .

GUTFELD: I agree. I don't think it's enough.

Williams: OK. There you go.

GUTFELD: No, it's not there you go. He doesn't have to satisfy Juan Williams.

WILLIAMS: Not me.

GUTFELD: He doesn't have to .

WILLIAMS: He better satisfy the American people from his people. When you start bringing back body bags as what happened with that young man who was killed and his father want to talk to you and says, "Why did you do this? Was his life worth the cost?" And you know .

BOLLING: Do you not think it's a fantastic idea to get a 60-country coalition to fight ISIS?

WILLIAMS: I said that's great.

BOLLING: No, no. But here's a point. President Obama said, "You know what? Rich people, you need to pay your fair share." President Trump says, "Rest of the country were going to benefit from ISIS being eliminated from the planet, the terror -- being safer all around. You pay your fair share. I think this is great.

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WILLIAMS: . right now, I'm preaching the obvious. Everybody says you need to defeat ISIS. Everybody says it should be a coalition. So, go ahead and come on in. The problem is that a lot of these countries have not been contributing in the past and even in terms of .

GUILFOYLE: So now he is complaining because they are going to. Exactly.

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WILLIAMS: What you see was the United States was pulling back in terms of saying it's our exclusive responsibility. President Trump is putting more Americans in danger and he doesn't have a plan.

BOOTHE: Well, President Obama has said himself he didn't have a plan.

GUILFOYLE: And President Trump is the one that's going to give them what they need to take it to ISIS. So, just wait for that. It's coming. And Juan, maybe, you'll finally agree. Ahead, a lot of the Republicans are pushing for complete repeal of Obamacare but will it be possible to eliminate the entitlement state? Krauthammer says no, next.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK) BOLLING: The GOP replacement for Obamacare cleared two key hurdles today. Both the House Ways and Means Committee and the House Energy and Commerce Committee approved the bill. Speaker Paul Ryan rolled up his sleeves earlier to explain how the new health care plan could be rolled out with a PowerPoint presentation for reporters. The president today said despite what you hear in the press, healthcare is coming along great. We are talking to many groups and it will end in a beautiful picture.

Charles Krauthammer is skeptical of the legislation. He encourages Republicans to abandon the hope for a full repeal because of one key factor.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER, FOX NEWS COMMENTATOR: You cannot retract an entitlement once it's been granted. That is the genius of the left. There is no country in the west that has developed national health insurance and then revoked it despite all the problems. Except the fact you are not going to get everything you want. Reagan said, "I'd rather get 80 percent of what I want then go over a cliff with my flag flying." You don't want to go over a cliff. Get it while you can and worry about the rest later.

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BOLLING: Greg, you said -- I remember you saying .

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GUTFELD: It's impossible.

BOLLING: Does he watch "The Five"?

GUTFELD: Yes. I think so. But then also he probably said it ten years ago, but it's hard to be a reverse Santa Claus, the dancer Santa Clause. We're reverse Santa Claus. By the way, I'm really -- I have to say this -- I'm really, really tired of politicians saying rolling up your sleeves. You aren't rebuilding a carburetor. You're actually just taking notes and drinking Red Bull. So, it's not that hard. By the way, his point is well taken. You know with government programs, it's like when somebody gets shot but lives and they go, "We can't remove the bullet. So, we're just going to leave the bullet in there because if we take it out it's going to be worse." That's what the government program -- that's what Obamacare is. It's like .

BOOTHE: One is better. Yes.

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BOLLING: It clears two committees but the conservative caucus doesn't like it still.

GUILFOYLE: Listen. It's going nowhere unless they get the freedom caucus on board and they say we are all in. So, whatever you do, I would wine and dine, movie night at the White House, whatever it takes to .

GUTFELD: Bowling?

GUILFOYLE: Bowling, whatever, it doesn't matter. Whatever -- what do you like to do? You want to play Pokemon on the frontline? Whatever you want to do, come over and we will do it. That's what you have to say because literally he's going to one by one to make sure to be able to get the support to get it for you. And I understand Paul ryan was saying today, "Listen, please. This is a -- let's start with this. Otherwise, if we try and just to bust this straight through with everything super packed and loaded to begin with, it's going to be like a choking filibuster. It's going to get killed and we're not going to get anywhere. And this is our only chance to be able to repeal Obamacare." That's what he is saying.

BOLLING: Juan, what about a free-market solution to this? What about the market base solution as maybe you get the Freedom Caucus on board and get some -- get some movement.

WILLIAMS: I think that's what the Freedom Caucus says. They want a market solution. And they see is that this is not a market solution. This is just, I mean, in derogatory terms, given who's talking, they call it Obamacare Lite, and what they mean by that is, in terms of the subsidies, now you're going to give the tax credits. And again, it's built in in such a way that it has the same practical effect and there's no limit, potentially, unless you start doing things like impacting Medicaid and Medicaid spending; and that's just not going to -- that's not going to fly with a lot of Republican governors, not to mention Republican voters.

BOLLING: Lisa, I've been a pretty much vocal opponent of this healthcare plan since it came out. I'm getting calls by Republican congressman at home, on my cell phone, saying, "Hey, don't you understand this? We need to do this in phases."

Nancy -- and I keep saying this. This sounds so much like when Nancy Pelosi said, "Pass the bill. We'll find out what's in it later." They want us to pass this structure of the bill and trust them that they're going to finish what phase two and phase three is supposed to roll out.

BOOTHE: It sounds like you might want to change your phone number number, as well.

BOLLING: No, I'm willing to talk. Call. But I'm not really mobile on it.

BOOTHE: OK, so I one thing that's important to remember here is the fact that you have to use the reconciliation process. So there's limitations of what they can do legislatively with the reconciliation process. For instance, they can't go across state lines. They can't do things like tort reform.

Further, look, this is also a numbers-driven game that leadership is looking at. They can only -- Paul Ryan can only afford 21 defections in the House, which to Kimberly's point, that's why the House Freedom Caucus, which I think is about 30 members, is important.

But then you go to the Senate, right? They only afford two defections in the Senate, because they have to have a simple majority with the reconciliation process. So the problem you encounter there is you don't just have to deal with the conservatives in the Senate. You also have moderates that have expressed concern, as well. So if you go full throttle to what conservatives want, then you lose your moderates, as well. So I think it's a very difficult balance that leadership is facing with trying to move this through, given the numbers that they have.

GUILFOYLE: Hence the staging. That's the whole point of the staging.

BOLLING: There's a political way to get it done, though. There's a political way to get it done. You put all the stuff in there that you want in there, and you worry about the Senate and you go like this: "You know what? Democrats, if you don't like this or you don't vote for this, you're basically saying, 'All you're going to get is no Obamacare and no healthcare. Do you want to look at the American people and say, if you don't go along with this, there could be 12 or 15 million people with no healthcare, because you didn't sign on board?'"

WILLIAMS: See, I thought -- I thought President Trump promised there would be more people covered, your premiums would go down.

BOLLING: OK.

WILLIAMS: None of that is achieved by this bill.

BOLLING: Juan, I'm on board with that. I agree with you 100 percent. But this isn't Trump, though. This isn't Trump's plan. This is House Speaker Ryan's plan.

WILLIAMS: Excuse me. Trump has bought into this plan and says that he is now going to push it. He's going to go out on the campaign trail and campaign against people who oppose it.

BOLLING: What's -- what's the book he wrote?

WILLIAMS: "Art of the Deal."

BOLLING: "Art of the Deal." And Mr. Trump, it's time to start making some deals and get the thing pushed through. I guess...

GUILFOYLE: You just -- you just sold 1,000 more books.

BOLLING: With some freedom-based market solutions to it.

WILLIAMS: I think you're embarrassed.

GUILFOYLE: Look what I did for Juan.

BOOTHE: A pretty picture on Juan. President Trump said he would give you a beautiful picture, as well.

WILLIAMS: I think it's just as pretty as the birthday girl. Look at that.

GUILFOYLE: Pretty flower.

WILLIAMS: Beautiful flower.

BOLLING: OK. They want us to get the -- Kimberly...

GUTFELD: Kimberly said that she was oddly attracted to me in the break.

BOLLING: I heard that. I heard that.

GUTFELD: You did say that, Kimberly.

GUILFOYLE: Can I take it...

GUTFELD: I just want you to know that. And I want America to know that.

GUILFOYLE: No, because I said you were being sweet, like don't go overboard with this. Don't, like, take it to the bank.

BOLLING: Someone's been telling secrets to WikiLeaks again, and the manhunt is on. What should happen to them when they're caught? We'll debate that next.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

WILLIAMS: A massive FBI manhunt underway to catch the leaker or leakers accused of hacking the CIA. WikiLeaks published the leaks for the world to see.

When they find out who's responsible, should they be prosecuted? Bill O'Reilly thinks it's treason.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BILL O'REILLY, FOX NEWS HOST: "Talking Points" believes that leakers of classified documents are actively committing treason. And it's apparent that the federal government does not have a handle on how to apprehend these traitors, much less stop the espionage. Obviously, a dangerous situation. President Trump should order the FBI to aggressively investigate all leaks and hacks, assigning that a top priority.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

WILLIAMS: You know, I agree with O'Reilly on this one, Greg. What do you think?

GUTFELD: I do, too. I don't think there's anything heroic about putting lives in danger and aiding and abetting the enemy. When terrorists change their tactics based on leaks, you should die.

WILLIAMS: Yes, but I think the big point here, and I think this often gets obscured, is that when there was the NSA stuff, the NSA was found to have been looking at Americans here at home. CIA...

BOLLING: Illegally.

WILLIAMS: Yes, that was illegal. But I'm saying the CIA in this hack, they're looking at people overseas, and they're trying to protect the U.S.

GUTFELD: I know, but that -- you didn't -- when Snowden leaked, what, was it 1.5 million documents, nearly all were foreign intel. He didn't even know the other stuff, the domestic stuff. He didn't even -- he wasn't even involved in that stuff. But he pretended it was about domestic surveillance. But he screwed us over. He should be executed, too.

WILLIAMS: So Lisa, part of the argument here.

GUILFOYLE: A lot of killing.

GUTFELD: I said that for you, Eric.

WILLIAMS: Are the Russians -- are the Russians behind this, do you think?

BOOTHE: I don't know if they're behind it. Potentially. I mean, look, it wouldn't be the first time that Russia has tried to hack the United States, right?

WILLIAMS: No, no.

BOOTHE: Right, yes, exactly. I mean, they hacked into the joints [SIC] chief of staff email, as well. I mean, ,so this isn't the first time if Russia was behind it.

But I do think it's highly concerning. You know, former CIA Director Michael Hayden pointed out the fact that this exposes personnel information, operational things exposed or tactics, procedures, things that are used in, you know, foreign intelligence and trying to protect the United States. So it should be highly concerning to every American that this information is out there.

WILLIAMS: So now the question is, WikiLeaks is saying, "We'll talk to Apple and Google and everybody else, Eric, and we'll give them the opportunity to fix." I'm thinking to myself, these people are ridiculous. Nobody should do business with these folks.

BOLLING: I don't think that it would be wise for Apple or Google or Intel or any of the companies to deal with WikiLeaks.

I will agree with Greg and O'Reilly on...

GUILFOYLE: What?

BOLLING: It's treasonous what this -- whoever leaked this. We've got to find out who this person is. It's treasonous. By the way, treason can be punishable by death or life imprisonment. I think the statutes that they're looking at are ten years.

WILLIAMS: Ten years? That was a surprise to me.

BOLLING: But allow me this.

WILLIAMS: Ten years.

BOLLING: I'm going to disagree on what Snowden did, because Snowden did open up -- he did expose what the NSA was doing, data mining all-Americans, trying to go after some.

GUTFELD: But he didn't mean to. It was an accident.

BOLLING: Well...

GUTFELD: He wasn't even involved in that. He wasn't involved in that arena.

GUILFOYLE: Wait, you're defending him?

BOLLING: He was -- no, I'm defending him.

GUILFOYLE: Not attractive.

BOLLING: I think he was exposing -- a whistleblower, in my opinion. Now, I think O'Reilly may be right to state he's treasonous...

WILLIAMS: But wait a second. You know what? He's in -- you know why the Russians just extended his stay? Because I think the Russians were feeding him.

BOLLING: For this reason, though. Only for this reason. What the NSA was doing is clearly, clearly illegal. They were -- that's why they stopped doing it.

WILLIAMS: But they -- but Snowden had no business doing that.

BOLLING: Nothing that's been exposed, there's nothing illegal. So far what we've read about what these leaks, none of the intel department thinks we're doing...

BOOTHE: It wouldn't be a 10-year penalty if Greg and Bill O'Reilly were in charge, though.

WILLIAMS: It would be treason.

GUILFOYLE: It would be death.

So here's the problem. We've got a series of national security breaches in this country, people like Chelsea Manning, Edward Snowden, Hillary Clinton with improperly caring for her server. Right?

I don't see distinctions between these people in terms of the fact that they were reckless with our national security. They were reckless with highly sensitive intelligence and materials, and none of that should be excused across the board.

BOLLING: He was exposing something that the NSA was doing illegally to Americans.

GUTFELD: Eric, I have to disagree with you. He wasn't trying to do that. He was -- he tricked the media into thinking that.

BOLLING: That was the whole point. The whole point was data mining every single American.

GUTFELD: Almost -- but almost all the stuff he leaked was foreign intel. Almost -- and he was -- and he wasn't working in the area of domestic.

WILLIAMS: He was a puppet, in my opinion, for the Russians.

GUTFELD: Yes.

WILLIAMS: Just as what's going on with Assange. He's a puppet for the Russians.

GUTFELD: We will never agree on this, Eric.

BOLLING: Wait a minute. Now you're anti-Snowden?

WILLIAMS: Yes. Oh, no, I don't like NSA violating the laws, but if you're asking me...

BOLLING: You wouldn't have known about it if Edward Snowden...

WILLIAMS: Somebody -- look. Somebody at some point would have come forward, but the fact that he is a puppet for the Russians.

BOLLING: You have that same person treated the same way that we're treating Snowden.

WILLIAMS: This guy won't come back and stand up and say, "I did this for a reason."

BOLLING: I just want to point out, I think Snowden is different from Hillary Clinton's email servers and different from these WikiLeaks -- the CIA leaks that were given to WikiLeaks.

WILLIAMS: And Pence. Yes, from Mike Pence.

GUILFOYLE: What?

WILLIAMS: Is there no such thing as privacy anymore? The FBI director answers that question very candidly. Next.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(MUSIC: THE TALKING HEAD)

BOOTHE: That's a good song.

Many Americans have a lot of concerns about privacy in today's high-tech world. FBI Director Jim Comey didn't do much to settle those nerves yesterday at a cyber-security conference.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

JAMES COMEY, FBI DIRECTOR: Here's something that I don't mean to freak you out with but I think is true. Even our memories are not absolutely private in America. Even our communications with our spouses, with our clergy members, with our attorneys are not absolutely private in America.

The general principle is one we've always accepted in this country. There is no such thing as absolute privacy in America. There is no place in America outside of judicial reach. That's the bargain.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BOOTHE: Wow, so Greg, I want to go to you first on this.

GUTFELD: Why? Why are you coming to me?

BOOTHE: Because -- because I think you say really interesting things.

GUTFELD: All right.

BOOTHE: And I like your cup there.

GUTFELD: Thank you.

GUILFOYLE: You are strangely, oddly attractive today.

GUTFELD: There you go.

BOOTHE: So for those two reasons...

GUTFELD: Two now.

BOOTHE: ... we're are going to you first. Yes, the only two at the table. Well, you know, maybe you're into other things.

But anyway, all right, so based on what the FBI director said, do you agree? Is there such a thing as privacy anymore.

GUTFELD: It's scary. It's inevitable. Every one of us will be hacked, and we will all be embarrassed by it. Because I get this argument a lot from people that say, like, "So what? If you have nothing to hide, you shouldn't care." No, if you have nothing to hide, you're a boring person. You know, you're -- if you don't wake up in the middle of the night and think, "Oh, my God. I hope people don't find out about this," you are an extremely boring person who hasn't lived an exciting life.

Everybody here has something. They're going, "Oh, please, Lord. I don't want that to come out."

BOLLING: And it shouldn't come out.

GUTFELD: Yes.

BOLLING: It should not. And that's why I have a big problem with what FBI Director Comey just said. Everyone -- there's no place outside judicial reach? No, that's not the bargain. The Constitution protects you from [SIC] having privacy as long as you're not breaking the law. That's not outside judicial reach. If you're not breaking the law and you're not associated with someone breaking the law, you are outside the purview. The Fourth Amendment protects...

GUTFELD: But I'm actually saying, what if I do break the law?

BOLLING: Then you're not. Then you're not.

GUTFELD: I still mind my own business. What I do.

GUILFOYLE: Felony stalking?

BOOTHE: You also just upped the game on your e-mails, because you basically just said you've got some interesting stuff on there.

GUILFOYLE: How about when his phone bizarrely by itself calls me at 1:30 in the morning?

GUTFELD: I know.

BOOTHE: And was that really his phone? But more importantly, let's...

GUILFOYLE: You know it.

BOOTHE: Let's get back to the substance. All right, so you -- you were an attorney.

GUILFOYLE: Yes.

BOOTHE: Let's get the legal issue of this. What do you think?

GUILFOYLE: Look, it's interesting because, of course, they need the resources. They want to be able to utilize it. We saw this in a case like San Bernardino, where they went to these places at Apple: "Give us the information." They want to be able to unlock and break encryption. Right? And then when Apple finds out they were able to find and get a way in, then it gets patched.

So it's a constant struggle and balance between personal, you know, rights and privacy and the government's obligation for public safety and national security. So where is the fair balance between the two? Where is it OK to say this is a justification to go over here and do an information and intel grab in the interests of public safety, and when should they be stopped and hit that wall to protect the rest of us?

BOOTHE: Juan has been making faces. So...

WILLIAMS: Let me just tell you, I just think anybody who thinks -- anyone who thinks they have privacy today is a fool. You have no privacy. I mean, I've been threatened with jail because, as a reporter, I saw something. Now, I didn't want to give the government my notebook, but they said, "You will go to jail, son, unless you give us that notebook and tell us what you saw."

GUILFOYLE: They say "son"?

WILLIAMS: They didn't quite use that language.

BOOTHE: See something, say something. Right?

BOLLING: Did you give it to them?

WILLIAMS: Well, we made a deal. The Washington Post made a deal, and I went, and I testified.

But I'm saying, you have no privacy. Today, even when you're there in your car and driving along, you know what weirds me out? I'll be driving, like, I'll go to do "FOX News Sunday" on Sunday mornings in Washington, D.C. I get back in the car. I turn the car on. The car says to me, "It's 17 minutes to church." They know where I'm going on Sunday morning before I know where I'm going.

GUTFELD: By the way, if you go on YouTube, if you go on YouTube and, based on what you've been looking at, the options that they give you are exactly what you want.

BOLLING: You can decline those. That's the thing. Decline the cookies. You can decline. You can not use Google or turn it off on your phone.

BOOTHE: We can continue this during the break.

GUTFELD: No, I want to keep talking. Let's keep talking.

BOOTHE: "One More Thing" is coming up next.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

GUTFELD: Never mind, indeed. It's "One More Thing." Mr. Eric.

BOLLING: So guess what it is today, exactly one week from last birthday week. It's Kimberly, my good friend and co-host's birthday, you guys. And check it out. Did you see this in the monitor?

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my God, look at how cute. And my crown from Juan.

BOLLING: And I'm breaking the rule. The candles.

GUILFOYLE: Me eating McDonald's.

BOLLING: K.G.

WILLIAMS: Hey, you can't do that around here.

BOLLING: To wish you a happy birthday.

GUILFOYLE: Thank you so much. I appreciate it, you guys. A strawberry cream cake from Paris Baguette. And it's so delicious. Push it in. OK.

BOLLING: Did you make a wish?

GUILFOYLE: I did.

BOLLING: All right. So you know what I'm going to do? I'm going to Facebook Live the last couple of seconds of the show, find out what Kimberly's doing after the show.

GUILFOYLE: I want to cut the cake.

WILLIAMS: I'll cut it while -- who goes?

GUTFELD: I don't know. Why does the cake have to be white?

GUILFOYLE: Here's mine. Yes. OK, so Melania Trump, someone I adore. Her popularity is climbing, no surprise, now people are getting to know her. The first lady's favorability rating is up 16 points since her husband was sworn in as president, according to a new CNN/ORC poll. The survey found that 52 percent of Americans have a favorable view of Mrs. Trump, an increase from 36 percent pre-inauguration.

So I think that's pretty exciting. She visited a hospital earlier this month to read to children. She's an absolutely lovely person, and she is a great mother, and I can tell you that from personal experience.

BOLLING: K.G.

GUILFOYLE: Thank you so much.

BOOTHE: And she has a phenomenal wardrobe selection.

GUILFOYLE: And she's just...

GUTFELD: All right, you guys. Stop.

GUILFOYLE: Unbelievably attractive.

GUTFELD: We've to go to something more important here. This.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

GUTFELD: Greg's Robot News.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GUTFELD: All right, you know what the difference between a robot and human being is? A robot can't get fat.

GUILFOYLE: And can't eat cake.

GUTFELD: Take a look at another job a robot is taking. But there's a strategy behind this. This is a -- this is a flip robot. It now flips burgers. The strategy here is the robot could get us so fat off fast food that we can no longer defend them -- defend ourselves when these robots and artificial intelligence take over the world, which will happen in approximately 2027. That is my prediction.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my God.

GUTFELD: We will be overrun by robots, artificial intelligence. And we'll be nothing but barnyard chickens compared to them.

GUILFOYLE: But they can't eat cake.

GUTFELD: They can't because they won't. They're non-thinking -- they're non-conscious thinkers, Kimberly.

All right.

GUILFOYLE: Best cake ever.

GUTFELD: Who's next? Juan.

WILLIAMS: I've got more of Greg's robot news.

GUTFELD: Oh, excellent.

WILLIAMS: Because Stephen Hawking's recently said he thinks they're going to take us over, maybe kill us, too. You heard me. The award-winning physicist...

GUILFOYLE: What kind of show is this?

WILLIAMS: ... said that technology is so rapidly advancing that there's now a threat that, with higher and higher levels of artificial intelligence, the robots...

GUTFELD: That's what I've been saying!

WILLIAMS: ... will be able to destroy us through nuclear or biological warfare.

GUTFELD: For three years!

WILLIAMS: But now Gregory -- Gregory, pay attention, brother. Here's another twist. Hawking said he's so optimistic that humans can rise and meet this challenge if we create a worldwide government. Let's see how that goes.

GUILFOYLE: What do you think of the cake? So good, right?

BOLLING: You know what the worst part of this robot thing is? You hear what some big West Coast Silicon Valley are proposing?

GUTFELD: Yes.

BOLLING: Taxing people who...

WILLIAMS: Yes.

BOLLING: ... companies that use robots, replacing humans. More tax.

GUTFELD: They're actually taxing robots. And there's also going to be universal-based income once there's 40 or 50 million people without job.

BOLLING: An income tax to a robot?

GUTFELD: Yes. Exactly. It would be like taxing a car or a toaster.

GUILFOYLE: And thank you, Carl, for going and picking up the cake.

GUTFELD: Lisa.

BOOTHE: OK. Actually...

BOLLING: Lisa.

BOOTHE: Yes, I know. I hope I don't have icing on my face. Juan, I've actually got a book recommendation for you.

WILLIAMS: Excellent, excellent.

BOOTHE: So the author is Michael Knowles. And the book title is called "Reasons to Vote for Democrats: A Comprehensive Guide." He was on "FOX and Friends" this morning. And I think we've got a little sound for you, Juan.

WILLIAMS: Thank you, love.

GUILFOYLE: This is so good.

BOOTHE: Let's listen to it.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

MICHAEL KNOWLES, AUTHOR: It took a long time to research this book. I've been observing the Democrat Party for at least ten years now. And when I observed their record and the reasons to vote for them on reasons of economics or foreign policy or homeland security or civil rights and so on, I realized it was probably best to just leave all the pages blank.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

WILLIAMS: Lisa, you tricked me again.

BOOTHE: I know, I know.

WILLIAMS: It's too early for April Fool's, Lisa.

BOOTHE: It is hilarious. There are 266 pages of absolutely nothing, because that's how many reasons he could think of why you would want to vote for Democrats. Mind you, it is the No. 4 bestseller on Amazon and his colleague, Ben Shapiro, wrote a review, and he said it was "thorough."

WILLIAMS: It was thorough.

BOLLING: Going live. Facebook Live right now. Log on. Check out. We're going to find out what Kimberly is going to do after the show.

GUTFELD: I know what she's doing.

BOLLING: You do?

GUTFELD: She's going to be panicking, trying to catch a flight.

WILLIAMS: No, no, no, no. Your -- your birthday wish.

GUTFELD: Right now!

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