GOP health care plan faces backlash from conservatives

Reaction and analysis on 'The Five'


This is a rush transcript from "The Five," March 8, 2017. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Eric Bolling along with Kimberly Guilfoyle, Bob Beckel, Meghan McCain and Brian Kilmeade. It is 5 o'clock in New York City. And this is "The Five."

House Speaker Paul Ryan came out again today to defend a new plan to replace Obamacare, seeking the calm concerns of some in his own party.


PAUL RYAN, U.S. HOUSE SPEAKER: This is what good, conservative healthcare reform looks like. It is bold and it is long overdue. And it is us fulfilling our promises.

This is the conservative wish list. Look at what this bill does. It repeals Obamacare's taxes, it repeals Obamacare's spending, Medicaid expansion, and the Obamacare subsidies. It repeals the Obamacare mandates on individuals and businesses. It ends the funding for Planned Parenthood. This is what we have been dreaming about doing and we know it's going to make a positive difference in people's lives in this country.


BOLLING: Speaker Ryan is confident the bill will get passed, even though not all Republicans are behind it, but that is rich considering he needs 218 votes. There are 237 Republicans in the House, but the House Freedom Caucus votes is a block, all 29 of them. So do the math, it won't pass without the Freedom Caucus. In the Senate, the bill still needs 50 votes. Right now, they have 48, Rand Paul, among others, is not a fan of the new bill.


SEN. RAND PAUL, (R-KY): The current Medicaid is unfunded and then we are going to add new entitlement programs to that. You say the federal government is going to pay for it? The federal government has no money. We borrow a million dollars a minute, so it is just dishonest accounting.

REP. MO BROOKS, (R-AL): It is much a can to Christmas where the oratory is a pretty ribbon and nice wrapping paper, but you opened up the present and it is a lump of coal. And that's what this bill is. It's the largest welfare program ever proposed by Republicans in the history of the Republican Party. It is going to be disastrous for our deficit and debt long-term.


BOLLING: President Trump will talk healthcare with GOP leaders of that White House. And there is a word he will start traveling the country soon to stump for the new plan. Here's more from his spokesman.


SEAN SPICER, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: We are going to have a full court press, our team throughout the administration on local radio, local television to get that message right to the American people, to talk about the things we talked about yesterday. Why we have a crisis right now in healthcare and why Obamacare is failing? And then, secondly, why the solution that the president has worked on is the right one to bring down costs and reinstitute Choice.

BOLLING: All right, KG. Speaker Paul Ryan called it a conservative wish list. I am a conservative. I didn't see a lot on that that I am wishing for.

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: It doesn't make your Christmas list or your birthday list?


BOLLING: There's a problem.


BOLLING: There are a lot of things that will be incorporated in phase two and phase three. They are asking us to make a leap.


BOLLING: To sign this now, agree to it now, and all those other things will make it into the bill, that is still up for conjecture. That's what Nancy Pelosi wanted us to do.

GUILFOYLE: Right, exactly, figure that out after he passed it. So you're right, they're going to say listen, partner with us on this, and they're going to try to make the case. They need someone who actually can do the job to make the case. I think nobody's going to be able to make the case. And so far, what I've heard and seen, except for President Trump, he's going to have to really push this with his base as part of his movement to say we are on the right track. This is getting done. And you know Charles Krauthammer had said listen, Republicans can't get everything they want, but what's the philosophy and reasoning behind stage one, stage two, stage three, the piecemeal approach, when for one of the most powerful times in history, they had such a reckoning that delivered them the House, delivered them the Senate, delivered them the Oval, if not now, you know when?

BOLLING: So do like the bill?

GUILFOYLE: I am trying to warm myself up to it.

BOLLING: I thought you know there was a change in the elections in 2010, 2014, largely on the dislike of the American people of the Obamacare law. Do the Republicans risk the same -- sort of change back the other way?


BOB BECKEL, CO-HOST: Exactly. Look, you can tell a little bit about this who is for it and who is it against it, right away. American Hospital Association, National Healthcare Association, AARP, 40 of the top healthcare groups from New York to Georgia, California, five Republican senators, the Heritage Foundation. I mean, you've got to be kidding me. First of all, Trump should not stomp on this. It's in the bill. I mean, they ask him a question, what's in the bill, he would have no idea. He would probably say, he has pointed something out.


BOLLING: Let me go to Meghan McCain. Meghan, I would point something out very importantly.


BOLLING: There are a lot of conservative groups that don't like this so far.

MEGHAN MCCAIN, GUEST CO-HOST: And you and I are really on the same case. I think both of us are in agreement that if the Republicans blow it, there will be ramifications in the midterm elections. I can't overemphasize how important it is that they get this right. If I were President Trump right now, I would invite everyone from the Freedom Caucus, that's really important, Rand Paul, Mark Sanford, Jeff Sessions, -- excuse me, Mark Sanford, all the people, these major players come and say, what do we do to make this work because none of us want to hand over our political capital to the Democrats right now? And really, this thing lives and dies at the hands of the Freedom Caucus.

BOLLING: Brian, let's talk about this a little bit. The Freedom Caucus came out yesterday afternoon and said look, here's what want to do. First, we want to repeal. We will worry about replace later. There are a lot of people that said, you've got to do them both.


BRIAN KILMEADE, GUEST CO-HOST: Here is what he said. Let's repeal it and then for two years, we will work on it. And everyone stays in place until we change it. You know the markets better than anybody. The markets aren't going to love the uncertainty for the next two years, when they have the chance in between stimulus packages, infrastructure deals, tax cuts, building the wall. So, basically, what I understand it, I'm not smart enough to fully digest it, President Obama passed this law.


KILMEADE: Thank you very much. He passed this out. We know what's in it. There was a series of guidance letters and regulations coming from the secretary of health and human services that helped this act, civilians. Now, what he is saying, Tom Price you know me, I live the choice to take it out, give me some power. That's phase two. Phase one is passing this. I can't do it with 60 votes.


BOLLING: Aren't they asking the Republicans, the House and the Senate to do the same thing?


KILMEADE: The Republican that was unhappy who felt that Tom Price was untrustworthy.


BOLLING: I'm sorry. You also have to consider. So we are all hanging our hats on the fact that Tom Price will be there, go straight through the process, doesn't vary on what he said he promised to put in. That's a lot of faith to put in.


MCCAIN: You are 100 percent right though. You are asking Republicans to do what Democrats jammed down the throat. Asking Republicans to say, just hold on this, we will amend it later, this is a work in progress. That's not good enough. I heard you say multiple times, we've had six years to get this right and this is the best we can come up with?


MCCAIN: I don't go on faith in anything regarding politics, whatsoever. As you said, the market could change things. God knows what could end up happening, especially if we lose the midterm elections. I mean, it is just not good enough for the American people.


KILMEADE: I was sure the Falcons will win the Super Bowl, but again, I don't I don't know who to trust anymore. But I would say this.


MCCAIN: You are not disappointed after six years that this is as good as it is?

KILMEADE: Let's put it this way, they have to be practical. You only get 51 votes.


BOLLING: Look, six years. Not in six years, four election cycles where you set Obamacare was so bad we've got to get the Democrats out of the House and out of the Senate. And guess what happened, the House flipped to Republican, the Senate went Republican went Republican, you got them out and you don't have a replacement.

GUILFOYLE: Paul Ryan said he's been working for 20 years on this. He fought long and hard about it. This is what he put forward. They got the president to go ahead and a grant.


GUILFOYLE: I'm not done. Hey, listen, over and over again, we said free market across state lines.


BOLLING: Maybe we say OK, it's worth this wait in paper.


BECKEL: They need 35 seats for the Democrats to take that out, right. Are those 35 won by Hillary Clinton? One of the problems that Trump is going to have with his base in the off years, his vote was heavily rural and that's the lowest turnout in off-year elections. So that's one of the thing he represents and to worry about. The other thing is frankly how many Republicans want to campaign for him?


BECKEL: It is huge in certain areas, I agree with you. But you say Tom Price. You can't hang something on the secretary like that.

KILMEADE: I mean, that is just one guy. I mean, you have a lot of people with great ideas and they need to get them woven into the final plan.


BOLLING: Are you saying you like this bill as it stands?

KILMEADE: I'm saying that the potential for this bill is good enough to do it, sign it, amended it. Listen.


BOLLING: Do you know how much this bill cost?

KILMEADE: Dinner tonight with Ted Cruz, phone calls to Rand Paul.


KILMEADE: We are going to get a CBO. But I don't even trust the CBO.


BOLLING: Listen, I love you. My problem is.


BOLLING: We need to just do this and we will figure it out later because you know what, this is the best we've got. No. No. We can do better. We can find out how much it's going to cost, we're going to find out.


BOLLING: If in fact, 20 million or 15 or 12 million people aren't going to be on insurance.


KILMEADE: Legislatively, you know more than anybody else about legislation.


KILMEADE: If you repeal and then you replace, you need 60 votes. You are banking on switching seven Democrats. That's a lot of faith.


MCCAIN: You are talking about warring factions of the Republican Party. And I do hope the Freedom Caucus and President Trump can come together for the collective good of the Republican Party. Because at the end of the day, we are Republicans, to try to get and something that everyone is at least more collectively satisfied with the Medicaid expansion.


BOLLING: I think this is the one of the biggest issues. You are 100 percent right, Medicaid expansion, 138 percent above the poverty level. That's Democratic. That's liberalism.


BECKEL: You know, just step back for a second. The other players here are governors. And in states that took the Medicaid expansion, there's a rule in Washington, what the federal government gives, you never take back.


BECKEL: And I am telling you, the idea that a Republican governor out there who has a lot of people on federal Medicaid dollars.

KILMEADE: Like Kasich.

BECKEL: Like Kasich, is going to somehow is nuts.

KILMEADE: What if he ends up with a block grant in 2020?


MCCAIN: Part of the problem is the entitlement culture that Democrats created starting with Obama. Now, he has done a complete and total cultural paradigm shift. There's an expectation that healthcare is your right by the government.


MCCAIN: OK. In 2017, he has effectively passed it straight the idea that you're going to remove entitlements from some people. I have a problem.


BOLLING: Can I ask anyone at the table or anyone out there, show me one thing in this bill that reduces the cost of either healthcare or health insurance, not one. Just show me one.

KILMEADE: Competition.

BOLLING: That's the only thing.



BOLLING: And there is nothing competitive in here right now. You know who gets the best break in this whole thing? Not the American people, not the middle class, not young people, not the old people.


BOLLING: Insurance companies. A $100-billion carve out over 10 years to the insurance companies.


BOLLING: Guys, Republicans, conservatives, we have spoken paired we've talked, voted, we've run on exactly opposite principles of this, exact opposite of this.


GUILFOYLE: They are taking a bit of a neon.


KILMEADE: He says block grants are coming. We will now practice insurance caps like that in Texas is coming down the line. You can go and have an insurance. You can get across state lines, it's coming.

BECKEL: Brian.

KILMEADE: Unless you don't believe Donald Trump, who tweeted out it's coming, that was yesterday. He did it around 8 o'clock in the morning. Don't worry. It's going to be woven into the bill. Legislatively, this is how it's got to be done.


BOLLING: They want to wrap us, but I got to give KG this. So realistically, OK, Donald Trump says this is what I've been given. He didn't come up with this. This is what I've been given.


BOLLING: But he now has promised to repeal and replace Obamacare early. Is it smart for him to say you know what, I promised to repeal and replace, we're not ready, let's pull that back. We will do taxes, we will come back to Obamacare later. I'm sorry.


GUILFOYLE: This is one of the biggest things in terms of the campaign and one of the promises that was made early on. We saw that in a shift in the campaign, momentum, towards on something. You saw just like Obamacare. This is something that he was trying to put forward. So that's why people are disappointed. They say wait a second, this doesn't go far enough. This seems a little bit like Democrat.


BECKEL: Donald Trump said everyone is going to get insurance.


GUILFOYLE: Donald Trump and President Trump is a free-market guy. So the one thing that I was expecting and hoping for was to increase the competition, to bring the cost down to ultimately, make it more affordable so that the insurance companies don't win.

BOLLING: KG, politically, can he do it, can he make the flip, can he step back on Obamacare and say sorry, American people, I promise you this?

KILMEADE: Sorry? He's going to build off it. He's not going to say sorry.


BOLLING: Politically, can he do it?

MCCAIN: He can fix it. I think he should meet with the Freedom Caucus as soon as possible and come up with something.

GUILFOYLE: Can't do it without them.


BOLLING: We got to go. We got to go. Speaker Ryan going one-on-one with Tucker Carlson tonight. Don't miss that one. It's going to be a great one, 9:00 p.m. Eastern.

Next, right here, the latest, on the very serious breach of the CIA. The feds have now opened a criminal investigation and they have an idea who did the leaking. That's next.


GUILFOYLE: Interesting song, right? The hunt is on for another mole or moles in U.S. intelligence. The federal criminal investigation has now been opened in WikiLeaks publication of documents detailing the CIA's alleged hacking operation. There are reports that investigators are focused on contractors as the likely source of leaks. More now with our chief intelligence correspondent, Catherine Herridge. So, Catherine, how much damage has been done so far?

CATHERINE HERRIDGE, FOX CHIEF INTELLIGENCE CORRESPONDENT: Well, the CIA is not publicly commenting on the damage, but you can see by the depth and breadth of these documents, more than 8,000 that it does reveal what appeared to be very significant tools for the CIA. And I think for some context, you have to see the loss of visibility in the context of the NSA. After the NSA leaks in 2013, more pressure, there was more reliance on the CIA. And now, you have that agency, their secrets exposed as well, so you have got two main agencies, who kind of have been poked in the eye, if you will, by hackers or by an insider threat. And the real losers here are the American people and national security.

GUILFOYLE: Quite alarming. Bob.


GUILFOYLE: Bob, your thoughts.

BECKEL: Yeah. Catherine, you know, the number of contractors has become a huge leap since 9/11. It's the right place to look. I mean, we know it has happened once.


BECKEL: And you've got it spread out over more people. When I was in the White House, I had intelligence -- not intelligence, but clearance. But it was very limited. It was very limited. Now, there are a thousand people that have access.

HERRIDGE: Well, I think the contractor issue, Bob, and you have kind of hit the right note with it. It is going to be one of the leading edges of the story. Because what we've seen is an explosion in the use of contractors. And based on our reporting today at Fox News, there are three scenarios that are under consideration. One is an insider or contractor. The second is that it was a cyber breach or network breach. And the third is that it was a combination of the two. I would point out that after the NSA contractor Edward Snowden leaked documents in 2013 that exposed government surveillance on U.S. citizens, that was also posted by WikiLeaks, the contractor still maintain its government contracts for more workers in the future. So it is hard to see how there was any kind of punishment for what happened in 2013. And we may be revisiting that very issue again in 2017.


BOLLING: Catherine, the documents shed some light on what the CIA can or should be doing as far as surveillance. Now, you know, there are processes to go through. Is there any indication on what we are learning from these leaked documents as to what went on at Trump Tower, whether or not anything happened and whether or not the proper procedures were followed.

HERRIDGE: Right. I'm not seeing anything yet in the documents that I reviewed that really shed a lot of light on the point. But if I could just sort of get another idea on the radar here, when you look at these tools and capabilities that the CIA has to take your phone and kind of reverse- engineer it, so that it becomes an instrument to capture audio and video, the same thing with the internet-connected appliances, even TV sets. I mean, this is the kind of thing that virtually every intelligence agency in the world is doing. And they would expect that the U.S. is doing as well. So I'm not so sure that we have spilled big secrets on our capabilities, but we have limited how we can use them in the future.

BOLLING: Can I have a follow-up on that?


BOLLING: There was some indication, I read something and didn't really understand it. Have we lost that malware, have we lost our ability to make actors or foreign governments that may have that ability to listen in on our problems?

HERRIDGE: Well, there are two answers to that -- two-part answer to that question. It's a good question. One is that the CIA and the cyber spying agencies are constantly losing these capabilities because every time a flaw is identified in one of these operating systems like the iPhone, like the android phone, and they are patched, then they have to have to find a new way to get in to that system. So they are constantly losing this capability and then regaining it in some other way or investigating how they can get into these systems in some other way. But the bottom-line is that whenever you show your hand to the adversary about what you're capable of doing, and more specifically what you're targeting, you're really giving away a lot of information about your intentions. And that's really worth a lot to these countries.

GUILFOYLE: Meghan, you have a question.

MCCAIN: Yeah. Catherine, why now? I mean, the timing seems a little strange. It just sort of invokes further distrust between us and the intelligence community? Why do you think WikiLeaks chose today?

HERRIDGE: Well, I have spoken to a number of military intelligence and cyber security experts. And what they've all pointed out is that there does seem to be a pattern here. When you look at the data points, you see this thread that goes to WikiLeaks. In this case, also in the 2013 documents from Edward Snowden and then recently with Russia's interference in our electoral process, you saw the leaked DNC emails and the Podesta emails. So they are all finding a home with WikiLeaks. And then the other question is who is really benefiting here? And I think you can make a very compelling argument that America's adversaries are benefiting, in particular Russia because this undermines confidence in U.S. systems and it causes even more sort of political tension and friction, which is something that damages our democracy. And that is what Russia is aiming for right now.

KILMEADE: So, Catherine, I have not taken a Berlitz course that allows me to speed read.


KILMEADE: I do know this, it's a lot. And the worse could be yet to come. This is only part one, they say of seven. This could be worse. And people have said one thing is clear, this bureaucratic infighting between the NSA and CIA, that's all we need.

HERRIDGE: Well, beyond this allegation of infighting, what I would say is again, after the 2013 Snowden leaks, the NSA was damaged by those leaks. That is well understood. And the CIA, based on my reporting, picked up the baton in terms of cyber spying and really expanded its offensive capabilities. So what we have now is two agencies that have been damaged by these hacks, first the NSA and now the CIA. And that's just not a good situation to be in. If you believe that there is also infighting as well, that's another layer of trouble, and dysfunction within the system.

BECKEL: All I can say is, please don't look at my videos, OK.


BECKEL: Really, really.


GUILFOYLE: I would like to know who keeps turning on the TV.


GUILFOYLE: So is it you, Bob?

BECKEL: That's right.

GUILFOYLE: All right. Ahead, just the left have a double standard when it comes to controversial comments made by Republicans versus themselves? The answer is yes, and there's proof, next.


KILMEADE: Many on the left are having a lot of fun. It is 28 minutes after the top of the hour. Mocking comments made by some conservatives this week. So we decided to dig a little bit deeper into the archives to figure out if there is indeed a double standard. Was that of same type of outrage on the left as there is today as there is on the right? All right, so let's look at this. First off, first thing. Example number one, HUD Secretary Ben Carson, the doctor, versus the former president. Listen.


BEN CARSON, HUD SECRETARY: That's what America is about, a land of dreams and opportunity. There were other immigrants who came here in the bottom of slave ships, worked even longer, even harder for less.

BARACK OBAMA, FORMER U.S. PRESIDENT: Certainly, it wasn't easy for those of African heritage who had not come here voluntarily. And yet, in their own way, were immigrants themselves. There was discrimination and hardship and poverty.


KILMEADE: All right, and he said that 11 separate times, did the president, over the course of eight years. Here's another example. Congressman Jason Chaffetz versus 44.


REP. JASON CHAFFETZ (R), UTAH: Americans have choices, and they've got to make a choice. And so maybe, rather than getting that new iPhone that they just love and they want to go spend hundreds of dollars, maybe they should invest in their own health care.

OBAMA: What I would say is, if you looked at that person's budget and you looked at their cable bill, their telephone, their cell phone bill, other things that they're spending on, it may turn out that it's just they haven't prioritized health care, because right now everybody is healthy. Nobody actually wants to spend money on health insurance.


KILMEADE: So it's not what you say; it's how you say it and what party you're with, right, Bob?


BECKEL: That's just flat wrong. That is just flat wrong. First of all, he used the word...

BOLLING: What was your "One More Thing" yesterday?

BECKEL: Well, first of all, Kaffetz [SIC], that punk. This guy...



GUILFOYLE: What did you call him?

KILMEADE: Just take the first one. Ben Carson against...

BECKEL: OK, I'll tell you, but the one word that Ben Carson did not get out of his mouth, at least that I could understand, was "involuntarily came." He didn't say that.

What Obama said was they involuntarily came, because they were on slave ships. Carson didn't say that.


BECKEL: So that...

KILMEADE: That one word.

BECKEL: That one word, that's the big difference.

KILMEADE: OK, they were immigrants in their own way.

BECKEL: In the Trump world and in the real world.

KILMEADE: They were immigrants in their own way was the follow-up. Ben Carson, I don't know if you noticed, also African-American, so do you think that he...

BECKEL: No, I didn't notice that.

KILMEADE: Well, it doesn't seem like you're acknowledging.

BOLLING: Bob, are you suggesting that immigrants came over here. Carson said other immigrants who came here in the bottom of slave ships. Are you suggesting that immigrants were choosing to come over in the bottom of slave ships?

BECKEL: He said...

BOLLING: Because otherwise, it would be involuntary.

BECKEL: First of all, he also said they came over here for low wages, if I remember.

GUILFOYLE: OK, by the way, you just got zapped. All right? Like, the bug zapper just blew you up.

BECKEL: For what?

GUILFOYLE: Because there -- you're making a distinction without a difference. You cannot be able to parse words on this and say that there is any material difference whatsoever between...

KILMEADE: It's night and day.

GUILFOYLE: ... what the president said and what Ben Carson said.

KILMEADE: Let's get Meghan in here. Meghan, you understand parsing words, and there seems to be a different set of rules on right and left.

MCCAIN: Listen, I mean, the proof is in the tapes that you just showed right there. They're basically, both of these men, are saying the exact same thing the president said, and it got -- I don't even remember that one clip with President Obama with the slavery comments.

KILMEADE: He did it 11 separate times.

MCCAIN: I don't even remember seeing that picked up on any new cycles.


BECKEL: Exact same thing, huh?


MCCAIN: They're basically saying the same thing.

There is a difference between sometimes how Democrats say, "I feel your pain," even if it's complete and total baloney, as we all know. There's a way that the media covers them; there's a way that some people like President Obama and President Clinton have this way of pretending that they care, when I have never really believed they actually could.


MCCAIN: I think the commentary about Jason Chaffetz in particular was particularly ridiculous, and the hypocrisy was particularly blatant. He said almost verbatim what President Obama said.


KILMEADE: Kimberly, you know what it's like -- you know what it's like to be on a budget in your 20s, right?

BECKEL: Wait a second.

KILMEADE: Be in a budget, when things are tight...


KILMEADE: ... and you have to make some tough decisions. Do I get collision on my car? Do I get things for my apartment?


KILMEADE: So he's just trying -- President Obama was trying to say, in his defense, if you can't afford health care, look at your bills and make it a priority. And that's the same thing Chaffetz said.

GUILFOYLE: Prioritize your expenses.

BECKEL: It's not what Kaffetz [SIC] said.

GUILFOYLE: What you decide to spend your money on. Is it going to be on cell phones?

BECKEL: Can I just make one point about Kaffetz [SIC] here?

MCCAIN: If you're going to attack him, say his name correctly.

BECKEL: Well, I don't care what his name is correctly. You know, he's running half a million dollars.

MCCAIN: He's a very powerful congressman.

BECKEL: The guy doesn't know what he's talking about. When he starts talking about prioritizing...

GUILFOYLE: So all you're doing is making personal attacks against him?

BECKEL: First of all, attacks -- that was...


KILMEADE: Let somebody else weigh in.

BOLLING: You're doing exactly what you complained for eight years that Republicans did. You're portraying fake outrage.


BOLLING: This is all fake outrage that you are presenting.

BECKEL: There's no fake outrage when it comes to Kaffetz [SIC], whatever his name is.

BOLLING: These are the words -- the exact same words. I mean, there's no way you can't say the definition of a slave is an African-American who came over here involuntarily. It's the same thing.

Chaffetz said the same thing...

BECKEL: Are you saying -- you guys were...


BOLLING: ... Chaffetz said the same thing Obama said about having to choose between an iPhone and maybe food or insurance. That's the point.

BECKEL: A little tough to take, isn't it?

BOLLING: What you're doing is just as disingenuous as what you accuse Republicans of doing for eight years. Outraged over something that Obama already said.

BECKEL: He didn't say.

KILMEADE: He just said it so eloquently that no...

GUILFOYLE: Right. Only because it came out of the mouth of a Republican in Ben Carson.

MCCAIN: Exactly.

GUILFOYLE: And so therefore, Bob got all juiced up for the "One More Thing"...

BECKEL: No, no.

GUILFOYLE: Put a hit on him.

BECKEL: No, I'm going to put a hit on Kaffetz [SIC], whoever he is.

GUILFOYLE: Look what happened.

MCCAIN: Chaffetz!

BOLLING: Chaffetz.

BECKEL: Chaffetz.

KILMEADE: The chairman of Oversight Committee is a wonderful guy with a bright future.


MCCAIN: Very powerful congressman. Could be president someday. Learn his name.


KILMEADE: Could be senator.

Meanwhile, coming up straight ahead, a lot of women want on strike today to show up life would be like without them and what it would be like at work without them. Even some lawmakers staged a symbolic walkout.

What two women who aren't on strike think about the protest that's happened today. Thanks for coming to work, ladies.

GUILFOYLE: Thank God we're here. You're struggling.

MCCAIN: We showed up.


MCCAIN: Today is International Women's Day, and organizers have gotten thousands of women across America to go on strike to show what a day without women would be like. Some Democratic lawmakers walked out of the capital earlier to show solidarity with the protestors.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We are resisting President Trump and congressional Republicans and letting them know that we will not go back.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We are here to fight an administration and a Republican Congress that targets our families with backwards and divisive policies.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And the Trump administration and the Republicans in Congress have been waging a war on our health.

REP. NANCY PELOSI (D-CA), MINORITY LEADER: We don't want the world to know a day without a woman, but we want people to understand what that day be like.


MCCAIN: This morning, the president tweeted that he has tremendous respect for women, and the many roles they serve that are vital to the fabric of our society and economy. He asked all to join him on this day to honor the critical role of women in America and around the world.

All right, Kimberly, I am going to start with you, just because we're both the women on the show. Both of us decided to show up today.


MCCAIN: I already spoke at length on this on "Outnumbered." I co-host a show that is female-dominated. I feel empowered every day, in the fact that I'm on a show where the male voices aren't as significant as the female voices.

BOLLING: Except for today.

MCCAIN: Except for when you two are the guys.

BOLLING: In numbers. In numbers, there we go.

MCCAIN: It's unusual in news for women to outnumber men on panels.

I find value in showing up at work. Beyond that, they just said, coming out of their mouths, it's an anti-Trump protest, an anti-conservative protest; and there are no Republican people -- women that I can see involved in these protests.

Why did you choose to show up today to work?

GUILFOYLE: I echo your sentiment. You know, I thank God every day that I have a job, and I'm able to work here at FOX News. I'm able to sit at the table with smart, intelligent people who are passionate about what they do, and they appreciate the jobs that they have.

As women, we are in a powerful position. And we choose to own it and live it and breathe it every day.

By me sitting here, by you sitting here, by the women numbered in our colleagues, that is making a strong statement and a statement out there to young women that can look up to us to say they can grow up to become and do anything that they think about and believe in their hopes and dreams. Get a good education, get a great job. I want to celebrate all the advances that women have been able to achieve in this country and hold ourselves up as an example to other countries around the world where women are oppressed. So the best way to do that is by being here.

BECKEL: I want you guys to know that I'm going to agree with you. I think a day without women would be horrible.

But having said that, the -- still, the fact remains the Republican Department of Labor now, whoever runs that, it's $0.81 on the dollar for women and men. Until it's equal, stay out.

BOLLING: What was Hillary's campaign?


BECKEL: What do you mean, what was it?

BOLLING: Was it $0.72 on the dollar, women were paid $0.72 on the dollar?

BECKEL: I just -- we went and asked...

BOLLING: But can we -- Meghan, can I just...

BECKEL: You don't like statistics to run against you, do you?

BOLLING: I just told you, Hillary was lower, paid women...

BECKEL: This is the Department of Labor.

BOLLING: ... than the national average.

OK. Military women didn't take the day off. Law enforcement women didn't take the day off. Most of the doctors and nurses that I've heard of haven't taken the day off.


BOLLING: We have a -- news people didn't take the day off. Can we have a day without "I'm going to take the day off" protests?

MCCAIN: I mean, listen, I would certainly hope so. I think another important point, as Kimberly pointed out, is that this is totally tied up with anti-Trump, anti-conservative, pro-choice movements. That's what modern feminism encompasses.

And for people like Kimberly and I, who are strong, empowered, smart women, who come on TV every day, by the way, not talking lifestyle news but talking about domestic and foreign policy at length, it is an important job that we have. And the idea that I would somehow be empowered by not showing up, the messaging that it's sending to young women, I actually think is very dangerous.


KILMEADE: What about the schools that were closed? What about all the schools that were closed? Things that couldn't happen because of it. People who -- parents who are working.

BECKEL: Well, pay them the right amount of money.

KILMEADE: All of a sudden that they have to get daycare for their kids; in other words, they have to not go to work because in response to that.

Here's it. They were protesting sexual discrimination, discrimination on wages and harassment. I would say that, if you want to do that, I had no idea it got to the point where we needed a massive walkout. But if that's a massive walkout, I also didn't think you needed Madonna onstage telling us to burn the White House down. So I guess I'm a little behind the times.


BECKEL: I guess you probably are.

BOLLING: What color is your handkerchief there?

KILMEADE: It's not real. This is a fake.

BOLLING: You're not joining the protest for the red (ph)?

MCCAIN: As long as it's...

KILMEADE: I'm pro-woman.

MCCAIN: You are pro-woman.

KILMEADE: I've always been pro-woman.

MCCAIN: You came on our show today.

As long as it's Lena Dunham feminism, no. More than 50 percent of women are going to opt out.

All right. Ahead, what does former President Obama think of President Trump's controversial wiretapping claim? The scoop, up next.



BECKEL: This weekend, the president of the United States accused his predecessor of wiretapping his phones at Trump Tower without any evidence at all -- not unusual for him -- to back up his claims.

That made me sick, and it reportedly made President Obama furious, and should be, and livid, according to people close to him. Now, let me ask...

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my God. See what just happened?

BECKEL: No, didn't bail me out (ph). I said this. I wore this tie again today to say anybody gives me one piece of evidence, you give me one piece of evidence that Barack Obama had anything to do with that, and you're all lying for this.

GUILFOYLE: All right.

BOLLING: The investigation is ongoing.

GUILFOYLE: Can you tell me about...

BECKEL: You don't need an investigation! You understand?

BOLLING: You've got to be able to present it.

GUILFOYLE: He's so hysterical. There's, like, so much yelling. He needs, like, the miracle ear now.

KILMEADE: What do you know about their relationship? The relationship between the two. Is it -- do you see -- it's never been good. Even though, early on, Barack Obama was the recipient of a lot of compliments from Donald Trump.

By 2009, the only thing that Barack Obama ever said about Donald Trump, destroyed him at the White House Correspondents' Dinner and then said, well, Trump is all about his bankruptcies.

BECKEL: He just called the president, former president of the United States a bad and a sick guy. Now what do you think of that?

KILMEADE: Well, then that's a turn for the worst.


KILMEADE: No doubt about it. However...

BECKEL: Well, at least you said one thing negative about Trump.

KILMEADE: I'm talking about their relationship. Their relationship right now is a real bad relationship.

But the relationship that Barack Obama had with his predecessor was nothing but disrespect. He dissed Bush for seven years.

GUILFOYLE: That's correct.

KILMEADE: Blamed him for everything, but he did it in an eloquent way, so no one blamed him.

BECKEL: Are you saying Trump -- goes to eloquent.

MCCAIN: But the president was nothing but the most eloquent, class. He never attacked President Obama when he was in office. Right now President Obama has Valerie Jarrett moving in with him to create a resistance headquarters in Washington.

GUILFOYLE: No, literally.

BECKEL: Are you going to give me some evidence?

MCCAIN: In Washington, D.C.

BECKEL: Hey, Meghan, how about some evidence?

MCCAIN: President -- it's a fact that Valerie Jarrett is moving into...

BECKEL: No, evidence that Barack Obama...

BOLLING: Hold on, Meghan. Don't you know you're supposed to be, like, even more in touch than the intel department, who is doing the investigation?

BECKEL: It doesn't take anything to pick the phone up and call!

MCCAIN: The point is, President Obama is going to be the most bitter ex- president that we've ever had. He's not going to keep his mouth shut. He's going to do nothing but attack this administration. Complete and total opposite of the class and respect H.W. Bush.

GUILFOYLE: Absolutely. Amen. Forty-one was a class act.

BOLLING: Are you contending there was not a wiretap?

BECKEL: I'm contending that Barack Obama did not do what Trump -- wait a minute. You asked me what the president of the United States said. He said that this sick, bad guy...

BOLLING: Different question. Do you think Trump Tower was wiretapped, because Comey...?

BECKEL: I don't know. It probably should be.

BOLLING: Comey, Hayden and Clapper said no.

BECKEL: To figure out how much money that got invested...

BOLLING: Do you think that they were? Because I think they were. Contrary to what we've been...

BECKEL: That has nothing to do with...


KILMEADE: Robby Mook -- Robby Mook said on "FOX & Friends" that he read transcripts of a Russian with a Trump -- with a Trump worker from Trump Tower. He said, "We were reading this in October."

GUILFOYLE: Their words.

KILMEADE: So why were they bugging it?

BECKEL: Will you please tell me...

GUILFOYLE: And Hillary Clinton put out tweets, too.

BOLLING: Let me ask you this, Bob. How do you think -- what do you think made them, the intel department start these wiretaps? To initiate these wiretaps? What were they looking for?

BECKEL: There were no wiretaps, Barack Obama against Trump.

BOLLING: Do you know where they start? Where do they start? The DOJ, Loretta Lynch. Right?

BECKEL: Well, that's right.

BOLLING: That's where it has to -- Bob, it's got to come from the FBI and the CIA. Loretta Lynch works with...

BECKEL: One question...


BECKEL: Will you guys stop going on the attack for a second and give me one solid piece of evidence?

MCCAIN: I'm sure people like you have thought that the IRS wouldn't target Tea Partiers.

GUILFOYLE: That's crazy.

MCCAIN: They've done a lot of things that would make people believe that they are capable of this, as well. They have a long history of doing things like this. So it's not without the realm of possibility.

BECKEL: You think Barack Obama was taping...

MCCAIN: Anyone that would target people because of their political beliefs by the IRS is capable of anything.

BECKEL: Wait a second.

GUILFOYLE: Absolutely. And they lie about it, too. Look at Lois Lerner.

KILMEADE: Barack Obama -- the tweet was not a good idea. But the overall sense of I know what you did leading up to this and you weren't playing fair and I'm going to get to the bottom of this, there's only one person that could do it. No one could touch Barack Obama for eight years. If anyone could do it, Donald Trump will find out the answer.

BECKEL: Yes, good.

GUILFOYLE: So why are you so afraid of the truth, Bob? It seems like it.

BECKEL: I like the truth. For example, let's start with his taxes. A big idea.

GUILFOYLE: This is where you're pivoting, trying to...

BECKEL: I just want one thing to say...


BECKEL: This guy tells the truth on anything.

BOLLING: DOJ has to sign off on going to the FISA court for the warrant. Right? That's Loretta Lynch. I mean, she was like...

GUILFOYLE: Who was on the plane with your buddy, Bubba.

BECKEL: Come on. There's a record -- there's a record of it, isn't there?


BECKEL: No, there's no record?

BOLLING: Do you think there's a record of every conversation between Loretta Lynch and President Obama?

BECKEL: In a FISA case there is. This is a -- court record of FISA.

BOLLING: Jeez, Bob.

MCCAIN: We've got it.

GUILFOYLE: But he's the authority on FISA. You know that, right?

BECKEL: That's true.

GUILFOYLE: Because he said that he went there.

BECKEL: The -- you know, you may laugh about this thing, but this is a guy who's president of the United States calling another president of the United States a crook. And for Trump to call anybody a crook is basically...

KILMEADE: Barack Obama called George Bush incompetent for seven of his years.

BECKEL: That ain't a crook.

KILMEADE: That is a pretty insulting thing. Insulted him over and over again.

GUILFOYLE: That's better?

KILMEADE: But put it in eloquent way.

BECKEL: OK, let's take some more tea and go to the pit and all that.

GUILFOYLE: What the...?

BECKEL: "One More Thing" is up next.

GUILFOYLE: What the heck does that mean? The pit?


BOLLING: All right, time for "One More Thing." Kimberly's up first.

GUILFOYLE: Hello. So take a look at this video of adorable little toddler -- he's the cutest thing ever, far cuter than Bob -- secretly learning ballet by peeking into his older sister's dancing class. This little boy is from Iceland, and he was caught standing outside of his sister's class, peeking in; and he does the little plies as he watches the girlsin tutus perform the same movements. Visual learner, I love it.

And he also performs a grand plie, which is a much more difficult move for a young tot. Trust me. I used to do them back in the day.

BOLLING: All right. Bob is up.

BECKEL: OK. When I was still drinking, St. Patrick's Day was a really difficult day for us to figure out what we were going to do to stay sober. But also, what do you do for kids, if you don't drink and you're home? And a friend of mine in New Jersey, Eileen Coffey (ph) -- Coutley (ph), who's Irish, and her two sisters came up with Silly McGilly. And Silly McGilly is a little doll and a story about Silly McGilly. You ought to get it for your kids, sit down and play with it. It's a lot of fun. And they call it the Elf on a Shelf, I think, right?

GUILFOYLE: It's kind of like, yes, Elf on a Shelf. And so here's the box, and you take a thot of this, since Bob's...

BECKEL: You know how to do these things better than I do.

GUILFOYLE: How cute this is. I love you, little Irishman.

BOLLING: All right. Let's go on to Meghan.

MCCAIN: OK, my "One More Thing," Starbucks is rolling out barrel-aged coffee in which green, unroasted coffee beans are placed in barrels that previously held whiskey, bourbon, or other alcohols in order to absorb the flavor. Combining my two favorite vices of coffee and whiskey together. Right now, it is only happening at the Starbucks in Seattle, but I am all for you spreading this around every place else.


GUILFOYLE: Those are two of your favorite loves.

MCCAIN: Coffee and whiskey.

KILMEADE: Is that right? Now we know what to get you for Christmas.

GUILFOYLE: I pay attention to her Instagram.

BOLLING: All right. Mr. Kilmeade.

KILMEADE: I could not be Tom Brady, but maybe you and I can all eat like Tom Brady. He has made a partnership with Purple Carrot of Massachusetts, and TV-12 (ph). They've combined forces to mirror the Tom Brady diet that has him playing at 40 years old in the most physical game in America.

Amongst the items that you could be eating on a regular basis for $78 a week: lentil soup risotto, roasted vegetables, gingered amaranth greens, ramen bowls...


KILMEADE: Ramen bowls, yes; coconut broth and bitter greens. This sounds like fun.

MCCAIN: Horrible.

KILMEADE: This is the way to be Tom Brady and to marry a supermodel. The recipe...

GUILFOYLE: Well, that was...

KILMEADE: ... $78 a month.

GUILFOYLE: That would kill Bob. Your body would reject it.

BECKEL: I wouldn't -- even for supermodels, I wouldn't eat that crap.

GUILFOYLE: Lying -- Lying Bob.

BOLLING: And five Super Bowls?


GUILFOYLE: I think it sounds quite tasty except for the bitter greens thing.

KILMEADE: TV-12 (ph). So you go.

BECKEL: Eric, aren't you up?

BOLLING: I am. I was stalling a little bit because I have Facebook Live, and I'm going to do it right now. Here's the problem: I have two Facebooks, one I actually use and one I don't use. And I'm not sure which one I'm going to go live on. So I'm going to do it. I'm just going to do -- start doing Facebook Live. K.G., want to take this over until we -- until we go to break?

GUILFOYLE: OK, so like talk and read?


GUILFOYLE: All right. Perfect. All right, so...


GUILFOYLE: ... set your DVR so you never miss an episode of "The Five." That's it for -- oh, stretching.

BOLLING: Yes, stretch.

GUILFOYLE: Stretching.

MCCAIN: I love Facebook Live.

GUILFOYLE: Bolling's going around here.

BOLLING: This is our jib operator.

BECKEL: Go ahead, Kimberly.

BOLLING: Can you guy show this steady cam guy? Can you take camera two?

MCCAIN: Beautiful new studio.

BOLLING: Look at this camera. He's got it attached to his body. It's amazing. That's a smooth shot. Come running across here.

GUILFOYLE: Bolling, can you tell which one you're on now?

BOLLING: No idea which one I'm on.


BOLLING: I know it's not the snap (ph) camera.

GUILFOYLE: This is what happens if you had a day without women, all kinds of things. So things go incredibly wrong. There you go, Bolling, do the wave.

BOLLING: Good night.

GUILFOYLE: A real show is next. "Special Report."

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