This is a rush transcript from "The Five," February 28, 2017. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.
GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Yes! Hello, I'm Greg Gutfeld with Kimberly Guilfoyle, Bob Beckel, Eric Bolling and Meghan McCain, "The Five."
President Trump addresses Congress tonight. So what should be the first thing out of his mouth?
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GUTFELD: I wouldn't blame him if he did that because no one in that room expected him to be there. They'd sooner bet on Texas banning guns or Hollywood banning rufees. Mr. Trump's got to love this. I mean he's addressing Congress. It's like the fox addressing the henhouse or the big bad wolf addressing the three little pigs or Michael Moore addressing a Twinkie.
So will you hear a more thoughtful Donald tonight? Should that even matter? Is it about the president's demeanor or his audience? According to a new NBC poll, President Trump is the least popular person in our nation's capital -- except for everyone else in the room. Yes, 43 percent of people have a positive view of Trump but Pelosi, she's at 19, which is around the popularity of scurvy in the pirate age. The Democratic Party is at 30, slightly more popular than a discarded diaper on a freeway. And Chuck Schumer at 17 is about as popular as this song.
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GUTFELD: Yes, you'll never get that out of your head. So, despite a lockstep press and his pugnacious style, Mr. Trump has more goodwill going than most. So my advice to him if he's listening, go for it. Be daring. Ignore the jackals. They're just hyenas chasing a big loud lion on the Serengeti.
And for you Democrats, you got to pick your battles. According to Rasmussen, just 29 percent of voters think it's wise for Democrats to oppose Trump on everything because frankly antagonism is the fuel that gets Donald moving. You'd be a fool to keep filling that tank.
All right Eric, you were there first. I want to know if you could write an e-mail to Donald Trump, what would you tell them to do tonight?
ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: You mean when I did last night?
GUTFELD: Yes.
BOLLING: No, listen, I think what he's going to do is --
BOB BECKEL, CO-HOST: He dropped that in, didn't you?
BOLLING: What?
BECKEL: You just dropped that in for us.
BOLLING: Oh, no, maybe I did, maybe I didn't. You have to think about it for the next --
BECKEL: I bet you did. I bet you did.
BOLLING: So I think what he does is he talks about the things he promised during his campaign and the things he's done in 40 days.
GUTFELD: Yes.
BOLLING: Well, it's not state of the union. It's a joint session, address to the joint session because he wasn't president a year ago but this is the same thing, exactly the same thing as the state of the union. Here's what he's done in 40 days. Obamacare, starting to go with it. The wall, starting right now. Rollback regulations, check -- executive orders on there. TPP, done, goodbye, check, did that. Travel ban, done, did that. Working on infrastructure bill, working on Obamacare, and this is the big one.
Boy, if I were him, I would focus on the tax strategy and go right at Congress and say you know, you keep telling us there's some administrative reasons why we can't do Obamacare and tax strategy at the same time. Whatever that is, blow that out of the water. Change it because we want to do tax strategy. The American people are banking on a new tax strategy.
GUTFELD: And Bob, he also had another big accomplishment, getting you back here.
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BECKEL: It's such a big accomplishment. He can find his way from the top floor and the bottom floor of the White House. Listen, the first thing I would do seriously if I were Trump would be to apologize. I think I would say to people look --
MEGHAN MCCAIN, CO-HOST: That's never going to happen.
BECKEL: I know it's not going to happen but I think it would be good idea. The other thing is selecting Trump --
KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: Who is he apologizing to?
BECKEL: About everybody he's insulted, which is about everybody except you and Eric.
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GUILFOYLE: Oh my god.
BECKEL: I'll tell you the other thing. Let me tell you what -- Eric just went through these things what Trump did. Trump did nothing. Let me tell you one thing he's doing though.
GUILFOYLE: I don't know.
BECKEL: He's going to cut the EPA budget by a quarter because as you got - -
BOLLING: As promised.
BECKEL: A 120 current and former general admirals opposed cuts in foreign aid, which he wants to do. Bush, by the way, did very well by doing aids (ph) with (INAUDIBLE).
BOLLING: Does Thomas Perez --
BECKEL: Would you shut up for a second and let me finish.
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GUILFOYLE: Bob, make sure to make this fix (ph) point.
BECKEL: Excuse me.
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BECKEL: Wait a second. He's going to cut GOP Taxes for rich people, which means the debt is going to go up $10 million. And this is the other one, this has because from the Heritage Foundation. They say legal battles over lands will make the completion of the wall sometime in 2030 and by the way, he once again sent his goons in to pick up a woman who has --
GUILFOYLE: Oh, my gosh.
BOLLING: No, wait, wait, we did a research on that.
GUTFELD: Yes, we did a lot of research.
BOLLING: We did a research on that woman you're talking about. She was in custody prior to having the --
GUTFELD: Since November 15th.
BOLLING: -- the ailment that the immigration people took her from custody. Got her the treatment and then put her back in --
BECKEL: She still had a brain tumor.
GUTFELD: ICE has been treating her.
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BECKEL: Do you want a brain tumor and be hauled out by those goons or what?
GUTFELD: Oh my god, Bob.
GUTFELD: She was (INAUDIBLE) since November 15th. ICE has been taking care of her.
BOLLING: She's been in custody prior to the illness.
BECKEL: You know, please keep this up I can bring (ph) your whole segment.
GUTFELD: All right, all right, let's get other -- Meghan.
MCCAIN: Bob and I took our sensitivity training together and I don't believe you can say goon anymore.
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GUTFELD: What do you predict tonight?
MCCAIN: OK, so they're promising and optimistic -- it's not a state of the union but it's the closest thing to it. It's for our new president and I certainly would love to come out with morning in America in sort of a uniting message for all Americans across the country.
However, tone doesn't matter nearly as much as policy points do and for me, this is going to be a much different audience than the audience that he had during the inauguration that was his base of supporters, his hardcore, meaning those people who love him. So going into this, he's going to be in room full of people who probably didn't support him from the very beginning and are surprised still to see him standing there as president. So it will be interesting to see if he changes his tone to sort of fit the room in a different way.
BECKEL: Meghan, could you name me one policy thing this guy has done? One.
GUTFELD: Why don't we bring in --
MCCAIN: I think Eric just did.
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MCCAIN: -- part of the problem is his cabinet isn't been filled.
BOLLING: Bob, he's going to drop an idea that probably every Democrat in the stadium, audience, is going to stand up and clap for --
BECKEL: Infrastructure.
BOLLING: Of course --
MCCAIN: So part of this problem is his attitude.
BECKEL: I'm all for that.
BOLLING: Tax policy.
MCCAIN: At this point in time under Bush, we had no child left behind and a comprehensive understanding of his tax reform because he had a cabinet that was filled.
BECKEL: (INAUDIBLE)
MCCAIN: Democrats -- the Democrats are stopping him.
GUTFELD: Oh, thank you Bob for bringing Kimberly at the table.
GUILFOYLE: I'm the only child left behind here 7 minutes in the show. Hi everyone. I'm Kimberly Guilfoyle and it was 5:00 in New York City. He's got to be positive tonight. People want to hear from the base like Eric is talking about. We list the things that you promised that you're going to accomplish, show how you're checking the box. It has to be definitely optimistic and you can do that at the same time, be unifying.
Don't let the Democrats, the Schumer, Pelosi, you know, crew upset your whole messaging. You're going to say, listen, Democrats, I'm going to come at you but nevertheless there are things that we can do for the majority of this country, jobs, money back in their wallets, food on the table, feeling good about the direction of the economy. Everybody is going to agree with that.
GUTFELD: Do you think the response is going to be cordial? When President Obama used a walk-in, the Democrats would run to him and touch him. Remember they would touch him? How do you think the response is going to be? Do you think that the Democrats are going to even clap or what?
GUILFOYLE: Do I think they're going to clap? I think they're going to just look like frown faces the whole time like they are a part of a constipation commercial. I expect that from Mike Schumer --
BECKEL: Don't you remember when a Republican said to Obama you lie? The only difference is that --
BOLLING: That was one guy.
BECKEL: You have to lie 100 times. I don't think Trump has told the truth about anything.
BOLLING: So remember the way this goes, is the president will talk about his policy and then --
BECKEL: What policy?
BOLLING: In general, this is what happens in the state of the unions or joint sessions and then either the Republicans stand up and the Democrats would sit there or when it's Obama the Democrats clap. But Trump will have standing ovations from Democrats which is probably going to be -- he'll probably have more from the opposite party than any president --
GUTFELD: Are you talking about anything on immigration?
BOLLING: No, but I think on infrastructure and I know on TPP. I think when he said I rolled back -- I got us out of trade agreements, the Democrats should stand up. The question here though is when he says I am securing -- I'm asking congress for $54 billion increase in military spending -- $54 billion in one year, 10 percent -- I hope every Republican stands up.
BECKEL: Is the first foot of the wall have been built yet? No, it hasn't.
GUILFOYLE: They're accepting bids from contractors.
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GUTFELD: Meghan, do you foresee any surprises?
MCCAIN: I hope somebody falls asleep. That's always my favorite part.
GUTFELD: Yes --
MCCAIN: -- falls asleep or gets caught playing poker on their phone. I honestly, I expect one person to probably do something or say something inappropriate.
BECKEL: Good.
MCCAIN: No, it's actually really bad for Democrats because they look like petulant children.
BECKEL: No, a Republican will do it because they're so stupid --
MCCAIN: No, a Republican won't do it. I think that they will be respectful of our president especially in this kind of a format, but I don't think the Democrats will be able to control themselves tonight.
GUTFELD: The best part is no one there thought this would happen.
BECKEL: Who's that (INAUDIBLE) from down at Texas? What's his name?
BOLLING: Louie Gohmert?
BECKEL: Louie Gohmert.
GUILFOYLE: Oh my gosh.
GUTFELD: You know who his guest is tonight, our very own Sean Hannity is Louie Gohmert's guest.
BECKEL: That's a big surprise.
GUTFELD: I just thought I'd let you know.
BECKEL: Has Hannity said anything about Trump yet that's been negative?
GUTFELD: I don't know but Kimberly?
GUILFOYLE: He said sometimes he's too sensitive. He just said that.
BECKEL: Sometimes he's too sensitive?
GUTFELD: Kimberly, any parting thoughts?
BECKEL: God, it must be dark in there.
GUILFOYLE: Oh my goodness. Yes and somebody call hair Bob just (INAUDIBLE). Don't you know you don't mess with a Puerto Rican girl's hairdo? I'm looking forward to it tonight. I think he's going to exceed expectations and I agree with Eric that the Democrats are going to be quite pleased with some of the things he said. All those Bernie Sanders supporters who are down with like TPP, they're going to like that.
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BOLLING: Extremely important about an hour before show time, there was a note that John Roberts, our senior White House correspondent got from the Trump administration saying there may be some announcement on immigration. Some sort of not a path to citizenship but a path to legalization which would be very, very controversial, big and very watched (ph).
BECKEL: Do you think he's going to get his second one done right this time?
BOLLING: That's a different one Bob. We're talking about immigration.
BECKEL: OK.
GUILFOYLE: Olive branch.
GUTFELD: We must move on. We've got a bunch of surprises in this own show coming up. More to come on the presidential address. We've got two more "Five" co-host, Dana and Juan. They've made their way to Capitol Hill for tonight's speech. They're joining us next.
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GUILFOYLE: Welcome back. We're around three hours and forty-five minutes away from President Trump's first address to a joint session of Congress. We want to bring two very special people to help us pre-game the speech. Dana and Juan are on Capitol Hill today. Hello guys. How is it going? Hi.
JUAN WILLIAMS, CO-HOST: Hi Kimberly.
DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: We're good. It's a good thing they got the hair out there to fix your hair because Bob really did a number on it.
GUILFOYLE: Did you see that? I was like what was going on?
PERINO: If you were here, Kimberly, you could throw Bob right over the edge because there's nothing between us.
GUILFOYLE: Oh, my goodness. We probably would have taken it --
BECKEL: Don't shove now, will you.
GUILFOYLE: No, I'm not. So, you guys were able to hear and obviously you saw what happened in the A block. We want to get your take, your thoughts and ideas about what you think President Trump is going to say tonight and in fact maybe some of the most important points that you think he should make, and Dana, I'll start with you.
PERINO: Well, I think that one of the things that he'll definitely do is start painting on his blank canvas. This will be the first time he is actually able to talk about policy that is specifically targeted to his priorities. So, one of the things that joint sessions of congress or state of the unions does is it tracks the budget process.
So, we've seen some news over the past week as Eric was mentioning the A- block, the $54 billion for the military. One of the things that happens is that because your policy really depends on your budget, then you have to do those simultaneously. So for the last month and a half, the people at the White House and especially Stephen Miller, the senior policy aide, have been tracking that so that he can tonight -- that the president can say here are my main priorities.
Now, we did hear tonight that Press Secretary Sean Spicer said the speech could run an hour and 5 minutes, maybe even up to an hour and 20 minutes. Now that's a long speech for your first speech at the joint session of Congress, but again, I don't think that the first speech and the last speech of a presidency is very interesting because tonight he can talk about anything he wants. He doesn't have a record to defend.
BECKEL: Mussolini didn't speak that long.
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PERINO: Well, I don't know if that's true, but it's a long speech.
BECKEL: Can I ask Juan a question? Juan, when you take the $54 billion in that defense budget and then he takes his tax cuts for his rich friends, how much more is our budget deficit going to go up?
WILLIAMS: Well, that's the question. And how do Republicans defend the idea that not only do you have the tax cuts, Bob, but remember he is talking about infrastructure spending and then the military spending so, all of this is big spending. It's almost like you've say hey, you big spending liberal, what are you doing?
But I think for example that's where you're going to see maybe some Democrats say, oh, finally you Republicans, you're coming on board to things we've been saying for the longest time. By the way, so the president had the anchors in for lunch today so Chris Wallace, Bret Baier were in there. They can't say anything on the record because it's all hush-hush but it's kind of odd given of course that we're not supposed to have anonymous sources, according to the president.
But the talk out of it is all about immigration, as you are hearing earlier. I think Eric was talking about this, that he's going to propose something that would pick up where the Gang of Eight left off, maybe not a pathway, direct pathway to citizenship but allowing people to stay in the country and become legal -- that's very different and you know, that's big news.
BECKEL: That would be very good. I would applaud him for that.
GUTFELD: So, wait, can I -- I'm sorry.
MCCAIN: I just wanted to ask Dana a question before she goes. Dana, first of all thank you for letting me sit in your seat. It's always an honor. Second of all, you were tweeting last night about leaks and your experience with leaks in the White House, and I just wanted to know if you could you extrapolate that right now and then tell me how big of a problem you think some of these leaks coming out of the Trump White House could possibly be.
PERINO: Well, I don't think that leaks are as bad as -- from the outside I don't think they are as bad as they feel when you're on the inside. And one of the things that I said on "The Five" yesterday and then followed up in a few tweets last night is that in my experience, it's sort of like with -- Kimberly would know this from her prosecutorial days -- that the first person to complain about a leak is usually the person who leaked it and what I mean by that is that you'll get a call like at 6:40 in the morning. This is from personal experience.
There was a Supreme Court nomination we were working on. There is a story that didn't necessarily need to be out there. I knew about it and then found out it was in "The Washington Post" the next morning. Well, somebody from the council's office called me at 6:40 which is very unusual and said "Can you believe what's in the paper today? I mean that's outrageous." I was like, yeah sure, OK. I get it. I don't think that the leaks are as bad as they think.
GUTFELD: It's whoever smelt it, dealt it.
GUILFOYLE: I knew you were going to say that.
BECKEL: Wait, can I ask you Eric a question.
BOLLING: OK.
BECKEL: OK, because it's just a quick questions. If he drops the corporate rate to 15 percent, how much will that cost us?
BOLLING: It may cost us nothing. We actually may increase tax revenues when you drop taxes, the theory that growth comes back. Greg, you have -- I have a question for them. Do you want to go first?
GUTFELD: No, I was just -- generally when you talk -- when you hear about the facts that there might be more spending, more infrastructures and may be something like the Gang of Eight, maybe this goes to both of you. Was it a brilliant strategy for Donald Trump to campaign on red meat and then govern with tofu?
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PERINO: Apparently, it might actually work. I think that nobody actually knows what's going to happen and, you know, primaries can be pretty rough and tumble and you can imagine that somebody like Marco Rubio who made it fairly far along in the process of the primary, when you hear something about a path to citizenship or a path to legalization, as Eric was pointing out, you might think OK, that's what I was talking about the entire time and they all criticized me for it.
But, if we all agree, maybe we do -- I don't know if we do. But if everyone in that chamber tonight agrees that that is actually a good idea, then let's just go for it because I think that the country needs it. The economy needs it, and not just on that but maybe on infrastructure spending, certainly on tax reform. And as Greg has been pointing out for several months, this is the death of ideology. So, if we don't care about ideology anymore, let's just roll with it.
BECKEL: Hey Juan, what did you think of the idea of Trump -- what?
BOLLING: No, go ahead.
GUILFOYLE: Bolling was going to ask a question.
BECKEL: Please excuse me. Go right ahead.
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BOLLING: This is going to be an amazingly important question. Juan, what did you think of Trump, what?
BECKEL: I wanted to know whether he thought he should apologize for some of the things he said.
BOLLING: Like I said.
BECKEL: Like you said. You don't ever apologize.
BOLLING: I don't think he's going to go to the state of the union address and apologize.
GUTFELD: The only person who needs to apologize more than Donald Trump is Bob Beckel.
GUILFOYLE: Yes, and pay more fine.
BECKEL: You ain't going to see that brother.
GUFELD: That's my point. You guys are blood brothers.
WILLIAM: I think you're right, Bob. He's just not a guy to apologize. I don't think it's in him. In fact, when he does things that I think would merit apology, he seems to double down. He seems to delight in it like he's --
MCCAIN: But what would he apologize for tonight? I'm not sure
BECKEL: Calling the press the enemy of the people.
WILLIAMS: That's a good one.
GUILFOYLE: -- on things that are not -- this is not wrapped in reality, Bob. This is like so ridiculous.
BECKEL: He said they were the enemy of the American people, did he not?
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PERINO: I don't think the press is too worried about it.
BOLLING: So, very quickly, military spending, the $54 billion. He's got ideas to pay for it. As far as the infrastructure spending, it's a border tax. It's going to happen and that tax rate drop will be met with more revenue from higher growth, economic growth.
Immigration you guys, both of you, either one of you, but maybe Dana first. So immigration is going to be the hot topic tonight and tomorrow morning based on what Donald Trump has said he's going to do. I want you to address something that happened in President Obama's term and what Donald Trump is going to do. This is very interesting.
President Obama as guest brought Syrian refugees and immigrants, both the illegal and legal immigrants. Now, Donald Trump has brought families of victims of illegal immigrants. He's making a statement with the guests and yet we are hearing more and more of, I could say a reformist policy for immigration coming out of the White House. How do we square that?
PERINO: Well, I'm not actually sure if we are going to hear something tonight specifically because the way that I took that reporting was that it could've been like the conversation within the lunch where the senior administration official, whoever it might've been -- very senior person -- said I might throw that in there tonight in the speech, but maybe not.
So, now we're all talking about it. Everybody is going to be waiting for it. If he doesn't say it, what does that mean? If he does say it then what does that -- and I would tell you that this White House has a lot of top priorities and you can't do everything in March. Obamacare repeal and replacement is already huge. You have the tax cut issue. You have -- what's the other one? Border adjustment tax that I think it's hard to explain but I understand they're coming to a compromise.
All of that stuff cannot fit into six weeks and they're trying to fit a lot into it. If he doesn't say anything tonight about it, I don't know what that means but if he does, then I guess that we're off to the races and that will be the number one story in the morning.
BECKEL: Hey Juan, Mar-a-Lago with his people. Is that what he always said he got Syrian people, his people?
GUILFOYLE: Mar-a-Lago.
BECKEL: Mar-a-Lago, whatever the hell it is.
WILLIAM: But to me, he has such trouble with this immigration issue going back to the ban that the courts rebuff, and of course, the negative reaction from so many Americans to the idea that you're throwing people out because of traffic tickets. I think he needs to do something here that's a little bit of a healing gesture. It's tough for Trump. As you said, Bob, he doesn't apologize easily.
PERINO: Can I say one thing? I do think that here is something that we have to keep in mind. The president has been meeting with a lot of people from outside of the Washington, a lot of business leaders, a lot of CEO's. You had two groups of them come in this week and I would imagine that what he has heard from them is that they would like to see something done on immigration that works with the business community in a way they want that they haven't been very forthcoming about. I imagine that's where the president --
WILLIAMS: Yes. So, I was talking to a group of farmers yesterday and guess what, the farmers are like, hey, you can't take away the people who are picking the crops. You're going to drive us out of business. So I think that that's a real something.
GUILFOYLE: Bob, there is so much more show left for you to harass, OK. Dana and Juan, thank you so much and we will see you both back here tomorrow. We look forward to watching you tonight as well.
Ahead, President Trump taking on some of his biggest political opponents in a new interview with Fox News. He has some pointed words about President Obama and Nancy Pelosi. You'll hear it, next.
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BOLLING: After President Trump won the White House, President Obama put on a big public show to root for his success.
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BARACK OBAMA, FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: We now are going to want to do everything we can to help you succeed because if you succeed, then the country succeeds.
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BOLLING: Is Mr. Obama privately working to undermine his successor? President Trump thinks so. He says the former president may be responsible for some of those damaging leaks in Washington and is likely helping organize the wave of protests against Republicans.
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DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I think he is behind it. I also think it's politics. That's the way it is.
I think that President Obama is behind it, because his people are certainly behind it. And some of the leaks possibly come from that group. You know, some of the leaks which are really very serious leaks, because they're very bad in terms of national security. But I think I also understand that's politics. And in terms of him being behind things, that's politics. And it will probably continue.
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BOLLING: OK, Bob, you're chuckling during that sound bite.
BECKEL: Once again, he can't prove a damn thing he just said. Obama would not release...
GUTFELD: January is up against (UNINTELLIGIBLE).
GUILFOYLE: Yes, exactly.
BECKEL: And I'll tell you something. Trump better be very careful taking on Obama, who happens to be 40 points more popular than he is. And if I were Trump, I'd just say "Thank you" and walk away.
BOLLING: Forty points? Come on, Bob.
BECKEL: You take...
BOLLING: First of all, the Beckel Almanac. What page is that on?
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BECKEL: You take Rasmussen, who's at 18...
BOLLING: No Real Clear Politics has him at 44 percent.
BECKEL: Oh, 44, five weeks, that's great.
BOLLING: It's 40 days.
Go ahead, K.G., your thoughts on whether or not President Obama or his people had something to do with leaks.
GUILFOYLE: Yes, I mean, listen, do the investigation, get to the bottom of it. If your side is so innocent, Bob, then you have nothing to worry about.
BECKEL: Why don't we investigate the Russians who messed around with Trump's campaign? That's an idea.
GUILFOYLE: OK, so sorry, that's not what we're talking about right now.
BECKEL: Yes, but what we're talking about is crap.
MCCAIN: No, it's not.
BECKEL: I mean, there's just no reason to put this on here.
MCCAIN: OK, but legitimately, part of the problem with a lot of these leaks is they're citing former officials, like former officials that have worked, meaning they have left. They're no longer working for national security. So a lot of people have been put in these security positions during the Obama years are obviously going to have some loyalty to President Obama.
And I do think that we need to reassess the capacity in which people can get fired from these jobs. I just found this out, that it is harder to be fired from the government than it is to be fired from a tenure in college. So if there are people that are going to put their personal politics and loyalty to Obama over our national security, it's a huge problem.
BECKEL: I agree. I agree with that, and I think they ought to be fired. I think they ought to be fired.
BOLLING: All right, let's -- they're not fired yet. So maybe they may be a source.
GUTFELD: Yes, it's the Obama loyalists in the deep state bureaucracy that are still there.
The town hall protests. OK, Obama isn't coordinating or directing anything. But he's like the dad on the sidelines, shouting advice and encouragement to the kids playing the game.
GUILFOYLE: Yes.
GUTFELD: Because you have Organizing for Action, which is an Obama-linked group...
GUILFOYLE: Yes.
GUTFELD: ... which is providing information on how to disrupt events to the town halls. They tell you to loudly blue [SIC] -- boo, to spread out so it looks like everybody's mad, and to ask hostile questions. They provide scripts for phone calls...
GUILFOYLE: Yes.
GUTFELD: ... to make to people, to tell them what to say.
GUILFOYLE: It's effortless. They have it all the time.
GUTFELD: What he's doing is it's organization that is galvanizing the protests for the town halls.
BECKEL: Everyone who showed up at that protest in upstate New York gave an address, and the address was in that district.
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BOLLING: This is a full -- full-packed block. In the same interview, the president also took aim at Nancy Pelosi, who tried her hardest to diminish his achievements, the president's achievements, over the weekend.
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TRUMP: I think she's incompetent, actually. You know, if you look at what's going on with the Democrats in the party, it's getting smaller and smaller. She has done a terrible job.
There are those who say I've done more than anybody in 100 days. Say, look, just look at the money I've saved. I have saved billions and billions of dollars.
No, I think I've done just about more than anybody in the first four weeks.
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BOLLING: Now, a spokesman for House minority leader attempted to turn the tables earlier, saying the president is, quote, "projecting his incompetence onto others." OK. K.G...
GUILFOYLE: Yes.
BOLLING: ... you look at Nancy Pelosi. She was the speaker of the House for how many years? Six or eight years? And they've lost. They've done nothing but bleed House seats.
GUILFOYLE: Well, they've rewarded failure.
BOLLING: Bleed seats in local municipalities, in government, state houses.
GUILFOYLE: Well, yes, thanks to an absence of leadership here in terms of Nancy Pelosi. The Democrats are really in a bad position but also because of President Obama. I mean, that's his legacy? You know, House, Senate gone. The Oval gone. Republicans, you know, swept it. And instead of doing something about it, they put Nancy Pelosi back in, and you can't deny the fact that she's, like, really not on top of her game. The nicest way I can say it.
BOLLING: Greg, she's the one who said, "The Obamacare thing, we'll read it after we pass it."
GUTFELD: As long as she continues to be the frozen face of opposition, Donald Trump has nothing to worry about.
GUILFOYLE: I agree.
MCCAIN: Part of the problem, too, is that she -- her iron grip on power, she only cares about the radical base that funds her...
GUILFOYLE: Yes.
MCCAIN: ... and donates to her campaign and donates to the DNC.
When you're talking about the split -- and I would be curious to hear your take on this. The ideological split within the Democratic Party is so intense. There's so much anger.
And a lot of people wanted Keith Ellison to be the new head of the DNC. Now that's not even going to happen. There is no young blood; there are no interesting new people leading this party. And when you have, you know, congressmen from Ohio and people who have won in red states as Democrats, like, Senator Heidi Heitkamp, I don't understand why Democrats aren't putting people like that out as an olive branch.
BECKEL: You know, you're right; it is a divided party. But let me just say one thing to you.
MCCAIN: That's your rebuttal to me? "Yes, it's a divided party"? That is not...
BECKEL: Mr. Trump, Franklin Roosevelt, Lincoln, Kennedy, Johnson.
MCCAIN: That is a dodge.
BECKEL: You have done nothing.
MCCAIN: That's a dodge.
BECKEL: Nothing.
MCCAIN: Take ownership of your own house.
BECKEL: I said our house is falling apart. It's going to have to be put back together with bricks and mortars...
GUILFOYLE: But not by Pelosi.
BECKEL: ... and maybe with the Chinese wall we're bringing over.
BOLLING: All right. We'll leave it right there.
Ahead, Kellyanne Conway sits on a comfortable position on a couch in the Oval Office, and the Internet's mind -- she broke the Internet. Our thoughts on the photo everyone seems to be talking about today. That's coming up next.
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MCCAIN: A photo of the president's counselor is getting a lot of attention right now on the Internet and elsewhere. The mainstream media and some social media users are going wild, trying to create a national scandal over Kellyanne Conway's positioning on a couch in the Oval Office yesterday.
As you can see, she was seated in a very casual way, with her feet underneath her, after kneeling on the sofa to take pictures of the president with leaders of black universities.
Conway is firing back at critics who say she was disrespectful in the Oval Office. She said she has, quote, "incredible respect" and thinks people should focus on the important work of the men and women she was photographing.
You know, Kimberly, I -- probably already know what you think of this. I don't understand why things like this are getting attention. And other photos, like a picture that has been making its rounds on the Internet that a woman named Hannah McMenamin took of a veteran doubled over in pain at a V.A. hospital in Durham, North Carolina, not being able to get attention. He was waiting for up to three hours, according to her photo.
Why aren't photos of our veterans not getting health care getting the kind of attention that dumb stuff like non-scandal like this are?
GUILFOYLE: I agree, because it's just the dumbing down of American news and politics. The fact of the matter is, they should be focusing on the issues at hand instead of trying to look for every opportunity to criticize Kellyanne, who's working constantly, has sacrificed a tremendous amount with her family and moving her kids. Everything to be there to help serve the president. She's bright and capable and talented.
And you know, this is just demeaning. This is what they do when they try and take and knock women down and try to make it fodder for "Saturday Night Live."
MCCAIN: Do you think the same people who are offended by the photo of Kellyanne Conway were offended with President Trump -- President Obama putting his feet on the Oval Office desk?
BOLLING: And that's where you hear that. You hear, at least she's on top of the couch instead of under the desk with President Clinton.
But I know -- listen, I'm very good friends with Kellyanne Conway. I've known her family for years. I've seen her at the -- she's very relaxed. She's got four kids. She chases four kids around the house.
GUILFOYLE: She's a mom.
BOLLING: She's a mom. And look, she is very familial, that picture. So she was having a nice time sitting in the Oval Office, taking a picture. Frankly, I found absolutely nothing disrespectful about it whatsoever.
GUILFOYLE: Right.
MCCAIN: Do you care?
GUTFELD: No. I just -- you can imagine what Bill Clinton did on that couch. Or maybe he was the couch. You never know.
GUILFOYLE: Gross.
GUTFELD: It is gross.
BECKEL: That is disgusting.
GUILFOYLE: You've even managed to offend Bob.
GUTFELD: But I want to say, this is an example of lockstep media. When it happened, every single tweet from every major outlet said the same thing: "Photo sparks controversy." Everybody did it, because they saw their peer do it, so they had to do it. They didn't even think whether it mattered or not.
And by the way, a lot of presidents had dogs on that couch. And I'm sorry. I'm not a dog on a furniture person. I think that's a little worse than that.
MCCAIN: Do you care, Bob?
BECKEL: Actually, let me say this. I worked with Kellyanne on a project once. She's a very good pollster, and she's a very good mother. And I feel badly for her, but frankly, I don't think it matters one bit.
GUILFOYLE: Oh, my gosh.
MCCAIN: She can't catch a break, but I don't understand the media's obsession. Because last night really was...
GUILFOYLE: What the heck?
BECKEL: What?
GUILFOYLE: What is that? It's like massaging or vibrating.
BECKEL (HOLDS UP A NECK MASSAGER DEVICE WITH TWO ROUND RED KNOBS ON A PANEL): My neck.
GUTFELD: Oh, my God. It's a space alien. Oh, my God.
BOLLING: No wonder.
GUTFELD: Your balls are rotating.
GUILFOYLE: No, oh my God.
BECKEL: Some -- I had to get through...
GUTFELD: Well, we know they're red.
GUILFOYLE: I heard this noise, and then it's moving slowly over and over this way.
BECKEL: I'm all right, unless I have a cigar. All right, Porter, I'll put the cigar down.
GUILFOYLE: Or a massager.
MCCAIN: OK, well, we're going to move on. But I really hope everyone looks up this photo of the veteran doubled over in pain at this V.A. hospital. Much more important than any of the photos of Kellyanne.
GUILFOYLE: Agreed.
GUTFELD: It does help Trump when they go after -- when they go after stories like this.
GUILFOYLE: Retweet it, Meghan.
MCCAIN: I will retweet it, and you should, too, Kimberly.
All right. Ahead, we're going to take you live to the White House, where President Trump is getting ready for a very big night tonight, his first address to a joint session of Congress. Back in a moment.
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BECKEL: Back now to the president's first primetime address tonight to a joint session of Congress. Chief White House correspondent John Roberts has excerpts from the upcoming speech and joins us now.
Hey, John.
JOHN ROBERTS, FOX NEWS CHIEF WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Bob, I've been checking my pockets, but we don't seem to have excerpts at this point, and the reason why is because I just checked with my source a little while ago, they keep on changing things in terms of the speech. So they're worried that if they put out an excerpt, it may not end up being in the final edition of the speech.
But here's what we know so far at this point. The big surprise tonight is that the president is going to mention a push for immigration reform to Congress. It's surprising, too, because he's coming out with that executive order on the immigration ban tomorrow. But he says that the time is right. He believes that Congress is primed for this, but it's going to take compromise on both sides to get it done. So basically saying he's proposing a deal where both sides have to give up a little bit in order to come together on this.
There's also going to be a big push for infrastructure tonight. The president, during the campaign, proposed a $1 trillion fund, hasn't said how he's going to pay for that, though. And he said today earlier he expects to get standing ovations from the Democrats when he mentions his plan for immigration -- for infrastructure reform.
He's going to reach out to the middle class tonight with promises to create more jobs, grow the economy with tax and regulatory reform, more education, creating the conditions, really, to keep jobs here and bring back manufacturing. And he'll reach out to poor communities to tell them help is on the way.
He'll talk a lot tonight, too, Bob, about safety and security, as well: border security, removing criminal illegal aliens. More protection for law enforcement officers.
And a couple of the special guests that he has tonight, three of them actually really do echo that theme. He's invited to the first lady's box the widows of two law-enforcement officers who were killed back in 2014 by an illegal immigrant and, as well, the father of a high school student who was shot and killed by an illegal immigrant.
A lot on tap tonight, Bob. We're told the speech will run about 45 minutes without applause breaks, so easily could go over an hour tonight.
BECKEL: Thank you, John.
Eric, let me ask you a question: how do you think his base is going to react to a -- an immigration plan that allows for citizenship?
BOLLING: Base? I'm not sure they're going to like it. I'll be honest with you. I personally like it, and it's something -- one of the things we've talked about here, is that idea of increasing legal immigration but also offering these embassies, these safe zones for illegals that want to come in and get documented. Not to become citizens but just become legal. You can walk in; you won't get arrested. And then you can document and pay taxes. And I think that's a way to get the 11 or 12 million people who are, quote unquote, "in the shadows" at least on the books. I love this idea.
His base won't probably like that, but again, when you have a speech like this, they hear the things they like. And they pick out pieces that they love. They're going to love the rolling back regulations. They're going to love the tax reform ideas. They're going to love that Obamacare is going away. They'll hear that.
But here's the huge question for Donald Trump. For 20 -- 2020, how do you expand the base? He's got to expand the base.
BECKEL: Yes. Megyn, let me ask you a question. The -- do you think that Trump now could take an opportunity to be a little kinder and gentler tonight?
MCCAIN: I mean, I hope that he -- again, we said earlier, everyone has been telling us it's going to be optimistic speech, so I certainly hope so.
Regarding immigration and the possibility of him going down sort of a Gang of Eight route, and, you know, softening in a lot of ways, the one thing I've learned about Donald Trump is, even if his ideology is close to mine, when I say it, people react in one way. But if he says it, he has this capacity and ability to sell ideas in a way that people like me, frankly, couldn't to a different part of the public.
So as Dana said early on, maybe ideology is dead; and it's just about the messenger and the way Donald Trump will sell it to the American public. So if it's something that I've believed in for, you know, going on a decade, and he's going to be able to sell it to this base of supporters, God love him. I can't wait to watch.
BECKEL: OK. Greg, I know you're going to be waiting with baited breath tonight. Will you be watching the whole...
GUTFELD: Of course, I'll be watching this.
BECKEL: You will?
GUTFELD: I'll be watching the whole thing in my shorty robe in my hot tub.
BECKEL: What do you -- what do you expect the headline will be?
GUILFOYLE: I have that picture.
GUTFELD: What?
GUILFOYLE: I have that picture.
GUTFELD: Yes, well, you'll be making the margaritas.
GUILFOYLE: Oh, right, dream on.
BECKEL: What do you think the headline -- what do you think the headline will be?
GUILFOYLE: Well, the headline is going to be that Trump, I think, like I said, is going to exceed expectations. And I'll tell you why. Because he's going to have the support of Democrats for some of his proposals.
By the way, people are always so quick to criticize. And why don't you actually listen? Open your ears and your minds and actually listen to what the man has to say tonight and see if there's things in there that you can agree with, because you love this country and you want to move it forward.
That's what I'm trying to get at. Stop the bickering, the partisan politics. Don't be small-minded. Be better than that. Let's give him a chance.
BECKEL: And Democrats, when you're out there and you hear infrastructure and immigration reform, please do get up and applaud. Good idea.
GUILFOYLE: Good job, Bob.
BECKEL: "One More Thing" is up next.
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GUTFELD: Kimberly, OK there? See what happens.
All right.
GUILFOYLE: Bob ate my segment.
GUTFELD: Oh, my goodness. All right. "One More Thing," I guess. This is all so interesting.
I am going to be on "O'Reilly" tonight, the show. And I've got an article, an interview on Medium.com by Lisa De Pasquale. Just look for LisaDP. I talk a lot about artificial intelligence, which I can't not -- I can't stop talking about, usually when I've been drinking. So check it out.
GUILFOYLE: So true.
GUTFELD: It is true.
GUILFOYLE: All those road trips. It's like, "Whoa."
GUTFELD: I know. Bob.
BECKEL: Well, I wanted to introduce you all to one of Donald Trump's friends, who has gotten him on the phone, got him on his radio show. Let me introduce Alex Rose to you.
BOLLING: Jones.
BECKEL: Jones.
MCCAIN: What did you call him?
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ALEX JONES, TALK RADIO HOST: This is a human. This is what we look like. This is what we act like. This is what everybody was like before us. This is what I am. I'm a throwback. I'm here. I've got the fire of human liberty. I'm setting fires everywhere. And humans are...
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BECKEL: Yes, there you go. Now, that's somebody that you really want in the Oval Office giving you some advice. And who knows? Maybe it's better advice than you're getting.
GUTFELD: Oh, wow.
BOLLING: He hasn't been in the Oval Office. Get out of here.
BECKEL: He did his radio show.
MCCAIN: That guy has really awkward selfies on the Internet.
GUILFOYLE: All right.
GUTFELD: K.G.
GUILFOYLE: Thank you so much. It's time for...
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GUTFELD: Kimberly's Food Court.
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GUILFOYLE: What a nice, masculine voice-over you gave it there.
OK. So today's Pancake Day, also known as Fat Tuesday or Shrove Tuesday. The New York Times actually got this right. It's most commonly thought of as Mardi Gras, Fat Tuesday or Shrove Tuesday. You get -- Bob. It's actually lesser-known that the day before Lent has historically been occasion to feast on starchy, griddled golden goodness.
GUTFELD: It should be called Husky.
GUILFOYLE: So Bob started eating my pancake before the segment, so we're going to draw, like, a demilitarized line here.
BECKEL: I don't want to eat that stuff. It's...
GUTFELD: We've 90 seconds, you guys. I've got to get Eric and McCain in.
GUILFOYLE: Well, that's it. I'm eating.
BOLLING: It's the night before you go on your 40-day Lenten fast.
GUILFOYLE: Correct.
BOLLING: Whatever you decided.
OK, very quickly, 40 days, 40 nights. There's still time to get this in the State of the Union or the joint session. Check it out: unemployment claims, four-week moving average, a 43-and-a-half-year low. I mean, that is a massive number.
Consumer confidence came out today: 16-year high. Remember, consumers are 70 percent of the U.S. economy. That's why this is an important number.
And this one right here. The Dow Jones yesterday just broke a streak, a 30-year streak, with 12 consecutive record up days in a row. That hasn't happened since 1987.
And the bottom line is what this is all about, what Donald Trump needs to hit on tonight. Obama had 1.6 percent average growth over his term. That's an easy hurdle to clear so he can lower taxes, raise your growth, and not cost you a dime.
BECKEL: And you one-percenters get up and scream.
GUTFELD: Meghan.
MCCAIN: Drake Krainbrink had his tenth birthday, and all he wanted was a magic show. He never thought the magician that would appear, but it was actually his father appeared during the act, who came home after a year deployment in Kuwait.
GUILFOYLE: Wow.
MCCAIN: The magician, Justin Impossible, disappeared behind the curtain and his father, Benjamin, an active first sergeant in the Nevada Army Guard Reserve, appeared on stage to greet Drake and his older brother, Zachary.
I love it.
GUILFOYLE: That's so cool.
MCCAIN: I love that he surprised his children coming back.
GUILFOYLE: How cute is that, huh?
BECKEL: You're eating that?
GUTFELD: Set your DVR so you never miss an episode of "The Five."
GUILFOYLE: I'm eating it from my side.
GUTFELD: That's it for us. Ooh, those pancakes. "Special Report" is up next.
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