Biggest Oscars gaffe of all time?

Insight and analysis on 'The Five'


This is a rush transcript from "The Five," February 27, 2017. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

ERIC BOLLING, THE FIVE HOST, FOX NEWS: Hello everyone and welcome to Studio F, our brand-new home. We can't wait for you to see all of it. I'm Eric Bolling along with Kimberly Guilfoyle, Bob Beckel, Dana Perino, and Greg Gutfeld. It's still 5:00 in New York City and this is still "The Five."

All right. Thank you for joining us on our first day in Studio F here at Fox News headquarters. We got a gorgeous brand new set and we're sitting along, guess what, a brand new table as well, ready to kick off our first discussion beginning with one of the most dramatic endings in Hollywood history, an Oscar's screw-up for the ages. Here's how it all began.


WARREN BEATTY, ACTOR: And the Academy Award for best picture.

FAYE DUNAWAY, ACTRESS: You're impossible. "La La Land."



BOLLING: Well, "La La Land" executives and stars then flooded the stage to accept the top honor of the night but they weren't the winners. Here's what happened after "La La Land" producer Jordan Horowitz was informed about the mishap.


JORDAN HOROWITZ, FILM PRODUCER: There is a mistake. "Moonlight," you guys won best picture. This is not a joke.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is not a joke. I'm afraid they read the wrong thing.

HOROWITZ: This is not a joke. "Moonlight" has won best picture.
"Moonlight," best picture.


BOLLING: Wow. Greg, now these are the same people who spent the night trashing Donald Trump for the way he is running the country. They couldn't get the right envelope.

GREG GUTFELD, THE FIVE HOST, FOX NEWS: After weeks of Trump hysteria in Hollywood and after all the political posturing, they can't get the one thing right that they were supposed to do. It's like a teenage boy that's like showing off on his bike in front of his friends, you know, and gets cockier and cockier and then all of a sudden he gets hit by a semi.

I love -- I love how he hands it off to Faye Dunaway when he realizes it's a problem. I always thought that his confusion was an act, but he really is stupid. And then he just -- and he realizes he's in trouble so he just, take it. He passes the grenade onto her. No, he could have said --

DANA PERINO, THE FIVE HOST, FOX NEWS: How did he know he was in trouble?

GUTFELD: He looked out and he goes this isn't -- you can see on his face he knew that it was wrong. And instead of saying we just did this award, he just handed it to her. He's always done that to women though so.

BOLLING: Interesting. Hey Bob, but "La La Land" won the popular vote. Shouldn't they get the Oscar?


BOB BECKEL, THE FIVE HOST, FOX NEWS: Was it 3 million or 5 million votes?

BOLLING: Whatever.

BECKEL: You know, I'd tell you, I'd give a lot of credit to Horowitz. I thought he handled himself quite well in the middle of all that. That must have been very, very difficult. Pricewaterhouse has got a lot of explaining to do and I think Warren Beatty, by the way, Warren Beatty is a friend of mine. He's very smart.

GUTFELD: No he's not.

BECKEL: Yes he is and you ain't no Warren Beatty.


GUTFELD: Maybe in one way.


BECKER: But I thought -- I thought it was -- it's hard to imagine.

BOLLING: KG, hand to face. I was watching -- we were watching. First of all it happened at 12:38 in the morning, four hours --

PERINO: You stayed up?

BOLLING: I stayed up. I watched every minute of it. I played that twice back to see what's going on.

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, THE FIVE HOST, FOX NEWS: And he was like what just happened there? But it's interesting because, you know, Pricewaterhouse had it like fall on the sword and say like, this is all of our fault. We're doing an investigation to figure it out.

Didn't anybody learn anything from poor sweet Steve Harvey? Imagine the massacre during the Ms. Universe and calling the right name and it was like Groundhog Day all over again. Clearly these actors should rehearse more often and do a test run --

BOLLING: You know, one of the explanations I heard was that you're not sure where the people are going to come up from or they come up this side or this side so there's this duplicate envelope on both sides. When it's handed to the presenter, they're supposed to get rid of the other one. Am I right?

GUTFELD: Yes, yes, yes.

PERINO: Right.

GUTFELD: She had won.

BOLLING: Emma Stone had won.

GUTFELD: But there was another one lying around.

BECKEL: What do you think that it's going to be worth at auction?

GUTFELD: I don't know.

BOLLING: That's a good question.

BECKEL: They'd be tempted.

PERINO: I've read three stories about this. I still cannot understand what happened and I guess the investigation will.

BOLLING: All right, stay right there Dana. This mishap overshadowed the rest of the night, which as expected got political right from the very start.


JIMMY KIMMEL, HOST: This broadcast is being watched live by millions of Americans and around the world in more than 225 countries that now hate us.
I want to say thank you to President Trump. I mean, remember last year when it seemed like the Oscars were racist? We are very welcoming to outsiders here in Hollywood. We don't discriminate against people because or based on what countries they come from. We discriminate against them based on their age and weight.
Of all the great actors here in Hollywood, one in particular has stood the test of time for her many uninspiring and overrated performances.


Some of you will get to come up here on this stage tonight and give a speech that the president of the United States will tweet about in all caps during his 5:00 a.m. bowel movement tomorrow.


BOLLING: And Dana, they tried to get the president to tweet but he held back.

PERINO: Yes, they were like, are you up and then he didn't take the bait, which is smart.

BOLLING: -- too much, not enough political humor in there, your thoughts.

PERINO: I think the racist joke was too -- cut too close to the bone. I would've dropped that line and also I think he tweets at 7:00 a.m. not 5:00.

BOLLING: OK. KG, your thoughts on Kimmel's -- he went to the wall a few times.

GUILFOYLE: He did. You know, I'm a big Jimmy Kimmel fan. I don't know. I really like him. He's my favorite late-night host. However, I thought yes, making the comment suggesting the president is racist, that I did not like.
I didn't think it was appropriate. I agree with Dana on that one but for the rest of it, I thought he, you know, carried the night with good humor and aplomb.

GUTFELD: The best part about this is no one is going to remember any of this. I think that they wanted to have a telecast that was going to be politically relevant and interesting, provocative, and shocking but because they devoted all their energy to try to be intellectually shocking and agree with their peers about Trump, they blew the one thing they had to blow.

Warren Beatty is the perfect metaphor for Hollywood. He's old, out of touch with the changing winds. He's a bitter guy looking to be bailed out. That's what's so funny.

BOLLING: The best metaphor for Hollywood was, when they're all sitting in, you know, in that beautiful arena dressed in their tuxedos and Kimmel brought that bus --

GUTFELD: Oh my god.

BOLLING: What is star contrast between real people in Hollywood.

GUTFELD: It was the most offensive thing I've ever seen. Let's trot out the normal people and treat them like zoo animals in front of these elite rich millionaires. It was disgusting.

BOLLING: I took it the other way. Look at those moronic, idiot, rich people sitting there acting pompous and here's some real people who frankly were more entertaining than the actors.

GUTFELD: But they have no idea. They were a novelty act. They were a novelty act.

BECKEL: Let me just say first now you're a rich man and you're not pompous.

BOLLING: I wasn't always rich. Bob, I was --

BECKEL: I know. I know. You're not pompous and I like that but, you know, as you all know I came -- my dad was in the civil rights movement for years. Using the word racist is something you simply do not do and particularly from somebody, who I guess Kimmel has never seen the inside of a ghetto or inside of a poor person's house so, a pox on his house for that. I don't defend Donald Trump on many things but I will on that.

OLLING: At one point they called Jimmy Kimmel racist because he made some comment about an Asian woman's name. Let's do this, staying on politics, an Iranian movie, "The Salesman" won best foreign film last night but the director wasn't there to accept the prize. Asghar Farhadi skipped the ceremony to protest Trump's travel ban. His speech was read on his behalf.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I'm sorry I'm not with you tonight. My absence is out of respect for the people of my country and those of other six nations whom have been disrespected by the inhumane law that bans entry of immigrants to the U.S. dividing the world into the ‘us’ and our ‘enemies' category creates fear. A deceitful justification for aggression and war. These words prevent democracy and human rights in countries which have themselves in victims of aggression.


BOLLING: Greg, the Iranian irony of this is she mentions inhumane laws.

PERINO: Right.

GUTFELD: Yes, it's rich. The fact is, if you're gay in Iran, you could be executed. And that's not the director's fault. I'm sure he disagrees with that as well but you got to be careful when you come to another country and you start lecturing us about the way -- we are the freest country on the planet in the history of the world and we want to remain free so the only way we can do that is to make sure that ideas from your country don't come here. We don't want -- we want gays to live here. We don't want them executed. You have to understand what's trying to be done here.

BOLLING: Go ahead Bob.

BECKEL: I think it was exactly appropriate. And let me make one point. The big bad ICE guys went into a hospital and took out a woman who had a malignant brain tumor and locked her up while she was trying to get to New York to be with her three kids. She had never committed a crime. She'd never done anything except cross the border undocumented.

Now, if that's Trump's idea, which I thought was to go after criminals, this is a classic example. I can't -- I would like the Trump administration to name one single terrorist act that they have prevented.

BOLLING: Interesting. Dana, inhumane laws.

GUTFELD: What are you talking about?


GUTFELD: -- it just happened last week.

BECKEL: What do you think about taking that woman out of that hospital?

GUTFELD: You know what, it's the first I've heard of it and it's a bit unfair that none of us know the story but somehow you brought that up.

BECKEL: No, I can show it to you.

PERINO: But I think you're mixing apples and oranges. I've read that story over the weekend and I agree--


BECKEL: Thank you very much.

PERINO: -- it is troubling. OK, but it's not the same as what the directors said that he was opposing, which is the extreme vetting from the seven countries and President Trump said he's going to sign an executive -- the new executive order on this on Wednesday so, after tomorrow night's speech.

That is separate from the ICE raids, so I think that's separate. But about this guy, I feel like it would've been more brave of him and more effective if he had shown up and won, thanked America for this opportunity to get this amazing award for his terrific film, and been able to be there.
Instead I feel like, what was he -- it's like some excuse he didn't have to go.

GUILFOYLE: He extreme vetted himself.

BECKEL: Remember when (INAUDIBLE) that Indian woman --

BOLLING: Yes, he did. All right, KG, this one about Viola Davis

GUILFOYLE: Well, what I was saying is like he extreme vetted himself. I mean, he just like just decided that I'm not going to come.


GUILFOYLE: -- high-risk, you know, and then also he's misstating what the intent and focus of the law, right. And so, you know, but that they're going to do that because Hollywood writes their own scripts and makes it up.

BOLLING: OK, we'll leave it right there. Stay right there in fact. Coming up next, former president George W. Bush gives his first TV interview since President Trump's inauguration. Forty-three made some news and you'll hear that just ahead.


PERINO: All right, it's been a while since we have heard from President George W. Bush but he's back in the spotlight as he promotes his new book out tomorrow. It's called "Portraits of Courage: A Commander in Chief's Tribute to America's Warriors." Here's the former president answering a question from Sean Hannity about today's war on terror.


GEORGE W. BUSH, FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: -- you've heard most presidents after my time say we're going to degrade and defeat ISIS and I say go get them because they can be degraded and defeated. It's very important in my mind that we do so, so that people know they can rely upon us and the people, not only governments, but people on the ground, people who want to be free.


PERINO: As he mentioned in the A-block, this week President Trump is expected to sign a new revised travel ban in an attempt to prevent terror here at home. President Bush was asked for his thoughts on the controversial initiative on the "Today" show earlier today.


MATT LAUER, TODAY SHOW HOST, NBC NEWS: Banning people from seven predominately Muslim countries from entering this country, do we make it easier or harder to fight the war on terrorism?

BUSH: Well, I think it's very hard to fight the war on terrorism if we are in a retreat, and I think we learned that lesson that, you know, if the United States decides to pull out before a free society emerges, it's going to be hard to defeat them.

LAUER: You for or against the ban? You're against the ban?

BUSH: I am for an immigration policy that's welcoming and upholds that law.


PERINO: So Kimberly the president is out to promote this book. We actually were able to get a copy so we're going to pass it around in a second and it's actually -- the cover is quite beautiful. Really great.

BOLLING: Show the cover.

PERINO: OK, I'll show the cover. We'll show the cover. You'll be seeing a lot of this because Hannity has an interview running tonight and throughout the week. Whenever you go and do an interview promoting a book, you know you're going to get asked news of the day. I actually think that what he was saying there was actually either unifying or actually kind of a pushback against Obama's way of prosecuting the war on terror. What do you think?

GUILFOYLE: That was my first reaction, then it was my next reaction and it is still my interpretation and reaction. I thought it was a strong statement and I thought he was courageous. I love that he actually said exactly what he thought, and it is.

If you look at the reflection in terms of what he said, it's a statement against was going on during the Obama administration and it's not any kind of denouncement of this order. Its saying look, we've got to make sure that we are not a nation in retreat. We see what happens when we do that, and he's absolutely right. And I thought it was a supportive statement for President Trump.

PERINO: And the other thing is, Eric, this is actually coming on the day before, well, there's news out that President Trump and his budget is going to ask for $54 billion more in spending from the military. What did you take from this in terms of the idea that it is important for us to understand that we can win the war and terror?

BOLLING: That was great and it was refreshing to hear that. Again, we can beat ISIS and we should beat ISIS. I agree with you. I think that that sound bite we played was a present 43 Bush taking a shot at, retreat, Obama's, you know, he and retreat. We've always said he can't even say Islamic terror. We feel like he had been in retreat against the war on terror for eight years.

Not against president Trump I think. Where I do think he got tripped up a little is when Matt Lauer asked him about the travel ban from predominately Muslim countries. There was an opportunity to push back and say well, yes, but there are other 40 some predominately Muslim countries that are not banned from travelling here. So, it's not a Muslim ban. It's a country of origin-based ban. Frankly, President Obama was the one who put those seven countries together.

PERINO: All right, well, I just saw that sound bite from the "Today" show so I don't know what else was said but Bob, when you read on of the things that President Bush said, I don't know what President Trump would disagree with. He said the bedrock of our freedom is the right to worship freely and that this is an ideological conflict and people who murder the innocent are not religious people. They actually want to advance in ideology. I don't think there's a conflict there.

BECKEL: I don't think there's a conflict with that or Obama or anybody else who said it but let me make a point. ISIL is the --

PERINO: It's ISIS now. It was confirmed by the Pentagon and that's now the official term.

BECEKEL: OK, ISIS is not degraded. As we speak tonight, they've got about 20 square blocks left in Mosul. They're about to be pushed out of every piece of land they had. They no longer hold land in Syria except for a very little. They're about to be driven out of Iraq and that had nothing to do with Donald Trump. It had everything you do with George --

PERINO: Why do you think President Obama didn't tell us that because I do think he made advances and he didn't want to talk about it?

BECKEL: Well just read any paper and you'll see that the advance is now taking place. They've taken Russian rebels.

BOLLING: Well Syria had nothing to do with Obama. You can't credit Obama with -- if ISIS is getting pushed out of Syria, it had nothing to do with Obama. He has Russians --



BECKEL: Excuse me. Can I finish in a second?

BOLLING: Comrade Obama.

BECKEL: Can I finish for a second comrade?


BECKEL: The fact of the matter was that the Kurds mostly pushed ISIS out of Syria with the United States air power. The Russian, your comrades, were bombing innocent people in order to help --

BOLLING: I'm not having an argument on who else to be filled --


PERINO: Can we get Greg in here?

BECKEL: All I'm saying is that not a single thing Trump has done, not a single thing has pushed ISIS out of their territory.

PERINO: But they're having -- they're actually having --

GUILFOYLE: Well because he just got into office and that's --

BECKEL:  Yes, but they're about to be driven out. You got to understand they're about to be driven out. They had no place to go.

PERINO: Bob, let's get Greg in here because there is a principals meeting that was held today at the White House because the Pentagon just presented its plan --

BECKEL: Just presenting it. That's right.

PERINO:  -- to President Trump but it's only been, you know, 30 something days.

BECKEL: I understand it.

PERINO: OK, Greg, I want to get your take.

GUTFELD: Is this a book about painting?

PERINO: It is a book about painting. Let's listen to President Bush talking about the actual point of the book.


BUSH: When you go to Walter Reed and a soldier looks at you who's lost his leg and said I'd do it again or you're riding mountain bikes with these troops, some of whom lost a leg who went back into combat or a mother whose son lost her life and says I just want you to know my son died doing what he wanted to do, it lifts your spirits.

LAUER: Amazing people.

BUSH: It is amazing, yes. And hopefully my art is able to capture how amazing these people are.


PERINO: So he wanted to talk about the actual art.

GUTFELD: Well, I find it interesting that a man who has been openly mocked for being inarticulate, as a painter, is a pure expressionist, you know. He's like -- he reminds me of (INAUDIBLE) who was a Russian painter in the 1900's who lived in Paris. He's part of the expressionist movement.

He seems influenced by Rembrandt. I would think -- thank you Wikipedia. And he favors textures, shape, and color in a traditional way that you don't see any more. And I know it's hard to paint people. It's hard to paint faces. That's why people like modern art. You just do big blocks and paint.

BECKEL: And he was influenced by Shakespeare.

GUTFELD: And he could do, you know, he's already exceeded Picasso and Dali in my mind. He is grandpa Moses.

PERINO: Also, he's not just painting faces because we know he's done portraits before, dog portraits. But this is actually -- these are wounded warriors who served under his command and he's come to know. You are taking a look at.

BOLLING: Yes, a lot of these people have passed. It's heart wrenching, you know.

PERINO: Well, you'll have a chance to see more of them because --

BOLLING: And a lot of them are injured. It's incredible.

PERINO: -- tonight on Hannity's program, when Sean interviewed the president yesterday. They actually sat down with some of the wounded warriors who were -- I was going to say photographed. They were not. They were painted by the president so you're going to hear actually from them on what it's like to be a wounded warrior.

GUILFOYLE: I'm so proud of him for doing this and honoring the service of the men and women that fight for us for our liberty.

PERINO: I should mention all of the proceeds for -- all the profits from this book go to research for post-traumatic stress so, that's another reason to get it. Ahead, President Trump's feud with the media, not letting up, the president has decided not to attend the upcoming White House Correspondents' Dinner. Greg's take on that, next.


GREG GUTFELD, 'THE FIVE' CO-HOST: President Trump decided to skip the White House Correspondents'
Dinner. That's the shindig usually attended by the president and then fawned over by the press. Here's my response to Mr. Trump's decision.




GUTFELD: I love it. The news comes after much handwringing among the media about whether they should skip this star-sniffing prom, given Trump's views on the press. But as they discussed publicly how they were going to take their ball and go home, Mr. Trump beat them to it, tweeting, quote, "I will not be attending the White House Correspondents' Association Dinner this year. Please wish everyone well and have a great evening!" Again, my response.




GUTFELD: See, the president just deflated a public tantrum by the self-regarded few who assume their event mean something to him or us or you. But does it? Now I get it that the dinner pays for scholarships, that's good but if you ask most people, it's really about getting selfies with Will Smith.

Watching reporters chase down celebrities who can barely name all 57 states, that saddens me. If President Trump's decision to blow off the dinner reduces the status of this elbow rubbing orgy of self-congratulations, then that's a true achievement. So media, rent those tuxes, hire those comedy writers and take those selfies.

Meanwhile, somewhere in America, Mr. Trump will be doing a veterans benefit to make your prom look even sillier. You should just rename it. How about 'Fast Times at Lockstep High'?
You know what, Dana, they're thinking about canceling the after party. In fact I think Bloomberg cancelled their after party, what are we going to do?

PERINO: The after party of the after party? I haven't been since -- is that the song?

BOLLING: No, but it --


PERINO: I know. Bloomberg canceled theirs. My staff used to love to get invitations to that. They had to worm their way in when you're because I actually -- I actually like the good, clean fun of roasting a president by the press and I think that -- I actually like the Gridiron Dinner a lot better partly because I think Hollywood is what ruined the White House Correspondents' Dinner.

GUTFELD: You're right.

PERINO: And so I don't like to go because well, I don't like parties and all that stuff but I think that good relationships between the government and the media is fun and for one night to have a good time but when they started bringing all the Hollywood people in, it just became ridiculous.

GUTFELD: It changed the way other people act and also, the other thing, Eric, is that they frisk you before you go in.

BOLLING: There's a long line.

PERINO: Because the president is there so it's for protection.

GUTFELD: Yes, but it means there's a lot of things, Eric, that I can't bring in.

BOLLING: Oh I see. You can buy them there inside. So you'll ruin this for the journalists -- Seth Meyers. Remember his --


BOLLING: -- when he -- it was at maybe two or three years ago, and Trump was in the audience; and he wasn't funny. It wasn't good-natured ribbing.
It was gross. It was -- you are watching going, "How can you do that? The guy's sitting right there with his family." It was terrible. So he probably didn't want to be a part of that. And the media is so liberal and so left-leaning, it was going to be a slugfest, and he was going to be on the receiving end of that.

Look, I think the opposite is going to happen. I think more celebrities are going to show up now. It's going to be a celebrity -- you know, the other celebrities.

GUTFELD: But the thing is, if Donald Trump has a competing event, Kimberly, we're going to cover it. Everybody is going to cover it.

PERINO: A scholarship.

GUTFELD: They're not going through the -- yes, they're not going to do the White House Correspondents' Dinner.

GUILFOYLE: We're going to go.

BOLLING: It's going to force them to decide which one you're going to go to.

GUILFOYLE: I'm going to be in two places at once. OK.

BECKEL: That has happened.

GUILFOYLE: I like -- allegedly. I love actually going to this event. I don't know. I enjoy it. You get to see everybody.

GUTFELD: You like going out.

GUILFOYLE: ... friends -- I have a lot of friends in the industry. All the different networks and places. So I talk to them, say hi, have a good time, ask them to stay out of trouble. It's always good. And then I love when the president speaks.

And I think that President Trump would kick you know what. He would be fantastic. Like, he was very good on "Saturday Night Live." When he gets up, President Obama was very good, excellent comedic timing. I enjoyed that part of it. I think it's very funny. It's very clever.

GUTFELD: All right, Bob, do you think it was a good move on his part to not go?

BECKEL: Of course it was. Why would he want to go where the enemy of the people are? I mean, he might as well go to the Politburo and speak there. He'd be more comfortable.

I don't -- first of all, I think it will be the lowest turnout in history, if Trump is gone, the lowest turnout in the history of the media and the celebrities, except Eric would be there by himself with this camera. "Fox & Friends" will be there.

But how can this guy, one day is calling them the enemy of the people, the next day show up at a dinner for them. And the other thing is, he won't be doing a thing for veterans. He'll be teeing off at Mar-a-Lago at another$3 million for taxpayers.

BOLLING: I mean, I thought we were advising the president. Have some really, really right-down-the-middle America place and go do something and benefit the wounded warriors or something...


BOLLING: ... really smart like that.

GUTFELD: Have "The Five" host it.

BECKEL: Or that.

GUTFELD: There you go.

GUILFOYLE: We're available.

BECKEL: Tell him to make sure he brings his uniform with him.


BOLLING: Unbelievable.

GUILFOYLE: Are you, like, cranky pants today.

BECKEL: I'm not, not today. It's going to be every day. Every day.

GUTFELD: About time we go to this SOT, or shall I go to break? Break it is. They just said that to me. A lot of stuff going on behind me. Isn't that interesting? It's not real. It's fake news. That whole thing behind me is -- it's actually a projection of our control room. There it is.

GUILFOYLE: There it is.

GUTFELD: That's real.

PERINO: They're waving. The wave is real.

GUTFELD: All right.

GUILFOYLE: It's going over well.

GUTFELD: Yes, up next, they Trump administration is intensifying its hunt for leakers. Some staffers in the West Wing have actually been asked to hand over their phones. Details ahead.


GUILFOYLE: The Trump White House is cracking down on leaks to the press, and spokesman Sean Spicer Sean Spicer reportedly called nearly two dozen staffers into his office last week to randomly check their cell phones for leaks.

This comes after President Trump blasted the mainstream media for using unnamed sources in the reporting and sharing information from West Wing insiders.

Former CIA director John Brennan agrees the leaks must be plugged but cautions this administration from placing blame on leftover Obama employees.


JOHN BRENNAN, FORMER CIA DIRECTOR: I think it's very unhelpful to make allegations about who is responsible for these leaks. And I think you have to distinguish between leaks of classified information, which is against the law, and leaks of discussions that might be taking place within the administration.

As far as leaks of classified information are concerned, I agree that they're appalling, and they need to be investigated. They need to stop, because the impact on our collection systems and our capabilities can be grave.

The information could be coming from any number of quarters. So whether it be intelligence community, White House, Congress. Because a lot of people have access to this information.


GUILFOYLE: OK, so that's interesting, but he's making a very strong affirmative statement, Dana, saying that this has got to stop, that it could come from multiple sources. How do you think he handled the topic? Because many have been very critical.

PERINO: I think that there's two different things that are happening. So as I understand it, that -- the request for the communications of press officers to come over and turn over their phones to the press secretary, with White House counsel present, did not have leaks -- to do with leaks of classified information. I think that those things are two very different things.

And I'm sure that Sean Spicer had to weigh very carefully the question of how to portion out managing by trust and managing by fear. It is true that when you work for any organization, including if you're an employee of Fox News, if you're an employee of the government and you use a government- issued phone, then that is subject to either looking at records or now, because technology is so different, there's lots of different ways to communicate. I actually don't know how to do any of that. But as I understand it, there are ways to do it so that you keep everything confidential.

GUILFOYLE: Yes. And encryption.

PERINO: I think the problem within the West Wing leaks, which is where I think that this originated, which is separate from the problem that Brennan is talking about, which is very real, is that the underlying conditions for the leaks is the actual problem.

I also have a rule: the first person to complain about the leak is usually the leaker. So keep that in mind.

GUILFOYLE: So it's...?

PERINO: I don't know who complained first. I'm not sure.

GUILFOYLE: All right, so there you go.

Eric, what do you make of this situation? He also apparently told him to delete those messaging apps...


GUILFOYLE: ... that Dana is talking about that have end to end encryptions, Signal, Wicker, WhatsApp. Big fan of all those. What do you make -- they're good.

BOLLING: I'm trying to figure out what -- what this accomplished. I mean, so the staffers came into the room. They were told to put your phone on the desk, and then they were told to delete these -- these end-to-end encryption apps. But they weren't asked to bring other phones.

I mean, it's almost like trying to find the one taxicab by stopping everyone on Sixth Avenue. There's a whole slew of ways that these leaks could be leaking, other than just by these single cell phones by all the staffers.


BOLLING: And by the way, one -- one group of people.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, they haven't volunteered they wanted to turn over their personal phones.

BOLLING: Right, right. Look, if you really, really -- I mean, which I'm totally against, but if you really want to find out what's going on, NSA has all that. They have all of that.

PERINO: But if the White House counsel's offices there and your boss says, "It's up to you if you want to turn over your personal phone," as I understand it, they all did it.

GUILFOYLE: Bob, I've been in your phone. It's easy.

BECKEL: You have. Regrettably.

The -- first of all, there was nobody from the Obama administration who was in that room, turning over their phones. That's No. 1.

No. 2, there were some personal phones that were turned over, as well as government phones. And if you'd asked me for my phone, I would have put it someplace where he would never find it.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my gosh.

BECKEL: I think it is an incredible breach of people's personal liberties.

And if somebody is going to leak, they're going to leak. There's a lot of ways to leak out of the White House. I used to leak out of the White House by dropping notes outside in Lafayette Park. So...

PERINO: Back in the days of the carrier pigeon.

GUILFOYLE: Jeez, my goodness.

BECKEL: That -- no, that was before Lincoln, when that happened.

But you know, I don't know what these guys expect. I mean, every administration leaks. And when Donald Trump complains about it all the time, the reason he's complaining about it is the leaks are damaging to him.

And I was glad to see, by the way -- I'll give Darrell Issa credit. He finally has decided a special prosecutor is necessary for the Russian involvement in the U.S. election.


GUTFELD: I don't -- I'm kind of, like, nonplussed by this. Because remember, I mean, President Obama had his problem, and he was actually, like, looking at phone records and looking at email of journalists -- of reporters...


GUTFELD: ... because he was freaking out over the leaks.

Look, I gave you the solution for this. Take nine people. Give them nine juicy stories that are false, completely false, and see which one makes it to the press.

So for example, if I tell Bob that I saw Dana drinking a 40 on Madison, and that shows up on...


GUTFELD: Yes, and that shows up on -- in Page Six, we know it's Bob who was leaking. So you've got to start slipping stories.

PERINO: You mean people wouldn't automatically believe that that happened.


PERINO: That I was drinking a 40 on...

GUTFELD: Well, I mean...


BOLLING: By the way, if you have...

GUILFOYLE: Careful with 40s.

BOLLING: If you have WhatsApp or Wicker or any of these -- these messages likely will have expired anyway. I mean, what's the point? Just by having these apps, it doesn't mean you're the leaker.

GUILFOYLE: Signal. Wicker. Well, and if you can delete it...

BECKEL: Your point is well taken about the NSA intercepts all those phone calls.

BOLLING: Listen, so there can -- you can distinguish between the things they don't like leaking...

PERINO: Right.

BOLLING: ... and the things that are national security issues.

PERINO: Right.

GUILFOYLE: But using those, it violates the policies that you're not supposed to have those when you're doing your official...

BOLLING: Good point. Good point.

PERINO: But you can have them on -- you can have them on your personal phone.

GUILFOYLE: On your personal phone.

PERINO: I just never -- I never dealt with this, because the technology wasn't there, so I understand the concern.

GUTFELD: They've got to go back to the old days, the oral legend. Where you just spoke to somebody. That person said something. And then you killed that person. You always killed the intermediate person. So I tell you something to tell Kimberly, and then you disappear.

GUILFOYLE: Thanks for not killing me.

BOLLING: Then it's your word against...

PERINO: When I'm not here tomorrow, that will be why.

GUILFOYLE: I know. It's getting more interesting and complicated.

And meanwhile, Greg, your background has changed.

GUTFELD: Oh, my background has changed. How lovely.

GUILFOYLE:  Directly ahead -- no more fake news -- a "Fox & Friends" exclusive with President Trump on his highly anticipated address to a joint session of Congress tomorrow. Stay right here.


BECKEL: Tomorrow, President Trump will make his first address to a joint session of Congress. "FOX & Friends" got a chance to sit down with him ahead of his anticipated speech. Here's a sneak preview of that very tough exclusive interview.


BRIAN KILMEADE, CO-HOST, "FOX & FRIENDS": You'll have the biggest audience for a State of the Union-like address this year, bigger than any other year. Having said that, how do you plan on capturing that opportunity for yourself and for your administration?

DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: You know, Brian, all I can do is speak from the heart and say what I want to do.

We have a really terrific, I believe, healthcare plan coming out.

I'll be talking about the military. I'll be talking about the border. And remember this: on the border and throughout our country, we're getting the bad ones out, the bad people -- gang members, drug lords, in some cases, murderers.


BECKEL: Is that...

GUTFELD: Yes, there you go.

BECKEL: Don't -- don't miss the full interview with the president tomorrow morning on "Fox & Friends," starting at 6 a.m. Eastern.

I wonder if that included the woman with the malignant tumor.

The -- it's interesting to me that he says -- he asked the question, I guess Brian did, biggest audience ever. It sort of reminds me of the biggest audience to watch the inauguration. I will bet you that the number is decidedly lower than most presidents.

GUILFOYLE: There we go.

BECKEL: Well, you don't -- do you think anything anti-Trump? I mean, anything?

GUILFOYLE: No, I just want you to be truthful.

BECKEL: Can you say -- OK, let's be truthful. Let's see how big his audience is.

GUILFOYLE: Cheerful.

BECKEL: Cheerful, OK, let's be cheerful. I hope it's the lost -- worst audience in history.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, see what you...

PERINO: Much better.

BECKEL: This is my media consulting for you. So when you do it with a smile. Do it with a smile, Bobby.

BECKEL: I smile all the time...

GUILFOYLE: Show me your teeth.

BECKEL: ... particularly when I think of Trump, except that he's scary.

GUILFOYLE: See? When he smiles, much better.

GUTFELD: You think he's bad? I just saw this guy, Thomas Perez, the guy that -- new DNC head. He's like an over-caffeinated grad student who saw a foreign film for the first time. You don't even want to sit across from him. Your face will be covered with spit.

GUILFOYLE: So you went back to the original rundown?

GUTFELD: Yes. That was in the original rundown, and we changed it.

PERINO: But you had some jokes.

GUTFELD: I wanted to make fun of Thomas Perez.

GUILFOYLE: Listen, I'm happy for "Fox & Friends." I think that's great. He watches the show every single morning. They got to sit down with him. So...

PERINO: It's a good way to kick off what is going to be a very big day for President Trump. And it's a very different audience. So it's not one where you're -- you might have one side cheering a lot.


PERINO: And the Democrats not.

But I think what he should do is, when he lays out his program, turn to the Democrats and say, "What about that don't you like?"

BECKEL: Well, plenty. He's going to cut -- he's going to cut Medicaid.
He is going to throw people off of insurance. And -- and he's going to run the deficit up about a trillion dollars.

GUTFELD: You would like that.

BOLLING: You're making stuff up right now.

BECKEL: No, I'm...

BOLLING: Fake news.

GUILFOYLE: Happening now, Bob making stuff up.

BECKEL: Your right-wing dudes. That's what Breitbart said...

BOLLING: He's going to ask increased military spending by $54 billion, and he wants to cut back agencies like the State Department and the EPA and some other ways...

BECKEL: There's an idea. Cut back the EPA.

BOLLING: OK, so let's talk about what he's going to do tomorrow night, Bob. He's going to get up there, and he's going to focus on things like that. He's going to focus on the budget...

BECKEL: What's that?

BOLLING: ... focus on safety and focus...

GUILFOYLE: Rebuilding, yes, keeping America safe, national security.

BOLLING: How about this? How about everyone just give the guy a chance?

BECKEL: OK, let's give him a chance, and if he doesn't rip -- if he does not rip apart the EPA, I will congratulate him.

GUTFELD: I hope he does rip apart the EPA.



GUTFELD: I want everybody to die, Bob. I want everybody to die.

BECKEL: You like to swim -- you like to swim in the East River, that's what it is.

GUTFELD: You know...


BECKEL: "One More Thing" is up next.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my God.


BOLLING: All right. Time for "One More Thing." For my "One More Thing," I'm going to get up and show you our brand-new Studio F. This is really cool. It's brand-new, like we said, first day. Come on over here.

Here's Sixth Avenue. Check it outside, Sixth Avenue. There's 48th Street. We'll be able to see -- hey, hi guys. We'll be able to see people. If you want to come and watch.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my gosh.

BOLLING: Don't do -- don't do that. But instead of behind us, it will be in front of us.

Come on over here. Look at this. Look what we've got. We have an elevator. Not sure if it works but there's an elevator right there.

PERINO: Try it.

BOLLING: I'm not going to go in it.

BECKEL: Once you get in it, you can't go.

BOLLING: It's a lift. I'm sorry. It's not an elevator. It's called a lift. I guess for...

GUTFELD: Goes up to Geraldo's bar.

GUILFOYLE: Goes to Geraldo's apartment.

BOLLING: OK, so this -- this is Greg's shot. This is Greg's newsroom shot. Show me the control room shot that you had up before. OK, so that's actually downstairs in the lower level. It's the control room. There's our producers. Wave, everybody. There's Porter. There's Megan. There's Nina. There's Susan and everyone else.

Now let's...

BECKEL: You want to tell them what the floor is made of?

BOLLING: Oh, yes. Check this out.

BECKEL: I was only kidding.

BOLLING: There's lighting in the floor. Lighting in the floor. Graphics here, graphics up here. If you notice sometimes when we go to break, can you show that crawl up top? It's called a zipper, they tell me. Oh, my zipper is open. I'm kidding. But they can tease the next segment on that crawl up top.

BECKEL: You should run one of those tour buses around Manhattan.

BOLLING: One more thing, can you guys come back here?

GUILFOYLE: There's no time left in the show.

BOLLING: No, no, no.

BECKEL: Eric...

GUILFOYLE: "Special Report" is next.

BECKEL: ... you're running out of time, Eric.

BOLLING: Look at this doughnut up top, the graphics up top in the doughnut.

BECKEL: Well done. OK. Who's next?

BOLLING: Throw it to Greg.

GUTFELD: All right, it is time for -- darkness...


GUTFELD: Greg's Robot News.


GUTFELD: All right. Robots are among us, but we don't know exactly who they are, what they are. Sometimes they accidentally reveal themselves, but it's an accident, when they try to act human.

At the Oscars last night, we saw a, quote, "human," Nicole Kidman, attempt to applaud.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my God. Oh, my God.

GUTFELD: Clearly, this is a robot attempting to do a human clap.

PERINO: Maybe her nails were wet.

GUTFELD: Well, you know what? That's not human.

GUTFELD: No, she might have had those acrylics on.

GUTFELD: She is -- she is fully -- machine.

PERINO: Maybe she gets more noise by doing it that way.

GUTFELD: I have no idea.

GUILFOYLE: No, I think it's acrylic nails or something.

GUTFELD: I'm glad she brought her son along, though. He's adorable. The guy with the...

PERINO: Great singer.

GUTFELD: ... straight hair? Yes, he's great. Great hair.

BOLLING: Dana, you're up.

PERINO: OK. Well, we have to inaugurate this new studio with a video about a dog. So this is a 17-year-old girl in California. Her name is Alisa Lee, and she's made a friend on her way home from school. This is not her dog. His name is Ralph, but every day he waits for her to come by.
And so it's become a thing on Twitter. And she comes by and says hello.

GUTFELD: A peaking dog.

PERINO: Only -- but he got mad at her a little bit, because she had a four-day weekend, where she didn't come for four days. So he was a little aloof the next time she came by. But he waits every day for Alisa to come by.

GUTFELD: This happens in a lot of men's rooms in New York.

BECKEL: It reminds me of when I used to drink.

GUILFOYLE: I can relate to that. OK. Not to you, Bob.

OK, so you think that "La La Land" had some dancing? Well, nothing compared to this video. Take a look at this. This is the cutest ever. Elderly man dancing on the streets of Italy. So this feel-good video has gone viral and has been viewed over 400,000 times on Facebook. Look at him go. How cute is he?

PERINO: Do you know him?

GUILFOYLE: Love me a good male dancer.

GUTFELD: Looking for a bathroom.

GUILFOYLE: That's what you do in the green room.

GUTFELD: Exactly.

GUILFOYLE: Anyway, that was it -- Bob.

BECKEL: OK, this -- this comes from you all, not from me. You want to know what planet I come from. This is my book "I Should Be Dead: My Life Surviving Politics, TV, Addiction and Everybody." And I'm glad to see The Washington Post...

BOLLING: And shrimp. Can't forget.

BECKEL: ... "transparent and compulsively readable." You can get it at Barnes & Noble. You can get it at Amazon. Please.

GUILFOYLE: You do an audio book?

BECKEL: I think you'll like it. I think it will tell you something about why I am as crazy as I really am.

GUTFELD: Could you imagine an audiobook with Bob?

GUILFOYLE: No, that's what I'm asking.

BECKEL: No, there is an audiobook, yes.

GUTFELD: But you didn't read it, did you? Did you read it?

BECKEL: I didn't read this one. No, I wrote...

PERINO: You're a great storyteller, and you write the way you talk, so it is very conversational. I would endorse.

BECKEL: Well, thank you very much. So "I Should Be Dead." Get hold of that.

GUILFOYLE: Smile, Bob. This is your new media coach training I gave you.

BECKEL: Smile.

GUILFOYLE: Take a look at Bob smiling. They don't care. There you go.

PERINO: Much better.

BOLLING: Set your DVR so you never miss an episode of "The Five" right here in the new studio. That's it for us. "Special Report" coming up right now.

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