Kellyanne Conway: The president is his own best messenger; Gorka: To win a war, you must be truthful about the enemy

Senior counselor to the president discusses keeping campaign promises and treatment from media on 'Hannity'


This is a rush transcript from "Hannity," February 22, 2017. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.



HANNITY: How are you?

To our audience at home, welcome to "Hannity." We're broadcasting from CPAC 2017, although it really doesn't officially start until tomorrow. We are at the Gaylord National Resort and Convention Center in National Harbor in beautiful Maryland.

Kellyanne Conway will be here tonight!


HANNITY: Dr. Sebastian Gorka, Matt Schlapp. And we're going to be taking questions from this wonderful audience.

How are you all doing?


HANNITY: Are you all happy with the last 30 days?


HANNITY: How many of you are irredeemable, deplorable Americans?


HANNITY: How many cling to your God, your guns, your Bible and religion?


HANNITY: How many are thankful to the high heavens Barack Hussein Obama is gone?


HANNITY: How many think the media in this country is so fundamentally, dishonestly corrupt.


HANNITY: Are you ready to help stop America's precipitous decline? Are you excited about the opportunity to fix this country? Are you -- all right, I want to hear loud applause, no applause. How happy are you with President Trump's first 30 days?


HANNITY: You're amazing.

Is this -- this is a historic opportunity for us to get this country together. You know, I spent an entire year last year -- this is how corrupt the media is. You know, you go back to 2007, 2008 -- remember I was doing something called vetting Barack Obama? Do you all remember that? All right, if you weren't watching, you have to leave, OK?


HANNITY: All right, so I'm vetting Obama. So here's a guy that is an Alinsky disciple, learns from a communist, Frank Marshall Davis. He's an -- what is an ACORN organizer? How does that qualify you to be a dogcatcher? I don't get it.

And then, of course, he goes to the church of "G-d America." The media was a year later when I broke the story. Reverend Wright did one interview during that election cycle. It was with me, and he never showed up back on television again. I'm very proud of that.


HANNITY: And imagine if Donald Trump, Donald J. Trump, our president -- if he started his political career in the home of an unrepentant terrorist, part of a group that bombed the Pentagon, the Capitol, New York City police headquarters, and on 9/11, 2001, of all days, was quoted as saying, I wish we had done more in terms of terrorist activities.

How many times -- can anyone answer -- I want to see how smart this crowd is. How many times did our corrupt alt-left propaganda media ever ask Barack Obama a question about his association with Bill Ayers?


HANNITY: Wrong! Sorry. Not zero, one time. You want to know why?  Because Georgie Stephanopoulos -- Clinton sycophant, I couldn't resist -- he was on my radio show the day before he was hosting a debate. I fed him the question! He didn't even know who Bill Ayers was at the time!

If it was Donald Trump, Bill Ayers, Bernadine Dohrn, how many times do you think the American corrupt liberal leftist lazy overpaid media outlets would have asked the question? Right?

You know, I -- by the way, this is Hollywood, one of our guys. And right over there -- George W. Bush calls him "the Bear (ph)." They're good guys.  We worked together 20 years. They're my friends.


HANNITY: You know, we have an opportunity, but we have forces that are working very hard against us. You've got the snowflake brigade, OK, the paid protesters, those people that, you know, have nothing better to do.  They don't work like the rest of us, so they go to protest the protest.

Then you've got the Democratic establishment. Day one, they're talking about impeachment because they're crybabies and whiners and they lost and they can't admit it. Then we've got the media with all their corruption.  They've basically declared war on President Trump, and they want to do everything they can to do to hurt his opportunity to help this country.

And then we've got Republicans that have shown that they're weak and feckless and spineless and -- and I want -- it's time for them to get off their ass and do their job! That's what it's time for them to do.


HANNITY: You know, I want to say because this is so important -- what we want is not that complicated! All last year, I gave out statistics every single day on the program. I repeated myself on purpose, not because I like to hear myself talk. We have 95 million of our fellow Americans out of the labor force, the lowest labor participation rate since the '70s. We have in America today 50 million people that are on food stamps. That is 13 million more than when Barack Obama became president. We have 8 million Americans, our fellow friends, neighbors, maybe relatives -- they live in poverty, 15 million total, 8 million more since Obama was president.

We had the worst recovery since the 1940s, the lowest home ownership rate since the -- since -- in 51 years. We have literally the only president that never in one year of his presidency reached three percent GDP growth, not one time.

What is it that we want as conservatives? We're all conservative-libertarian here, right? OK. We won the election. The snowflakes lost.  What do we want to do? It's simple. We want to keep our country safe. We want to keep our country secure. That's not that hard! Is it really tough to vet people that are going to be guests coming into our house?

Unlike the left and the media, I'm not willing to gamble with your life or the life of any other American!


HANNITY: Is it really -- we have an estimated 8 million illegal immigrants. I've been down to the border 12 times. I've said this many times. I've been on helicopters, boats, all-terrain vehicles. If you really want to laugh, look at me on horseback.


HANNITY: I've been to drug warehouses as big as this room, floor to ceiling drugs that were aimed to come to this country for your children, your friends, your relatives and poison our kids! Nobody seems to talk about that.

I went to a security briefing with Governor Rick Perry -- 642,000 Texans were victims of crime, including rape and murder in some instances, in a seven-year period by illegal immigrants.

So Donald Trump wants to vet refugees. I say that's fair, that's moral, and the right thing to do.


HANNITY: I don't think it's too much to ask that if you want to come to our country, that you obey our laws and sovereignty. I don't think that's too much to ask.


HANNITY: Then you look at, OK, well, what's the rest of Donald Trump's agenda? ObamaCare has -- could have -- we didn't keep our doctors, we didn't keep our plans and we didn't save $2,500 per family per year.


HANNITY: He lied. Yes, ma'am!


HANNITY: In the eight years he was president, health care costs for the average family in this country went up $5,400, and that does not include 2016. And if you live in Arizona, it just went up this year alone another 117 percent. On average it went up another 35 percent. Aetna said it's in a death spiral, the CEO of Aetna. And Humana just pulled out for 2018.

So I want Republicans to show the backbone and keep the promise that they have given in the last eight years, repeal and replace this thing!


HANNITY: Health care savings accounts, competition, free market competition, portability, take it from job to job. Also, we'll deal with pre-existing conditions. We're going to have to help the poor people one way or the other. We're not going to let them die. We don't what they have in Great Britain, the National Health Services.

So the agenda's not hard! How about an economic plan? Isn't it great?  How did Donald Trump get Carrier to stay? How did Donald Trump talk Ford into staying and not bringing plants to Mexico? How did he try to -- how did he keep Fiat Chrysler? You notice every company now wants to meet with the president, say," I'm spending $7 trillion right now," because they want the free publicity.

But also, they know that better times are ahead because if the president is able with the help of Congress to fulfill his economic plan. Think of what we've got. We've got multinational corporations, trillions of dollars parked overseas, they won't bring the money back because they're going to have to pay confiscatory taxes. Donald Trump, our president, says, "We'll give you a 10 percent rate, bring the money back, build your factory here, invest in America, build your manufacturing centers here, and let the forgotten men and women in Detroit, Michigan, in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, in Cleveland, Ohio, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania -- let them have opportunities that they have."


HANNITY: Yes, America first!


HANNITY: So his economic plan is seven brackets to three. His economic plan is a 15 percent corporate tax rate, which will be the -- will go from the highest in the industrialized world to one of the lowest. We'll incentivize corporations to stay. We'll build those factories. And all those men and women in poverty, out of the labor force, on food stamps can now see the American dream come back for them.

And I speak from very blue-collar roots. I spent 20 years of my life as a blue-collar worker. I washed dishes. I was a cook. I was a busboy. I was a waiter. I was a bartender, not a really good time in my life. I didn't quite behave in those years -- just like you young kids. Stop laughing. I heard you.


HANNITY: I know what goes on here at night, I've seen it.


HANNITY: And then I worked in construction. I was a house painter. I hung wallpaper. I framed houses. I did roofing. I fell off a roof three and half stories, hit the ground, woke up, and finally, I had -- common sense kicked in. I was a conservative.


HANNITY: True story. And then -- well, this part of my arm from here down was dangling like this. I go, "Ah, Ah!" and I clicked it back in. It was like a one-in-a-million shot, the doctor told me.

But I did all those jobs, and I will tell you right now that the lying corrupt media that never vetted Obama, that never told you the truth about Obama, the lying liberal media that never told you the truth about Hillary -- how bad was the WikiLeaks revelations that showed a media colluding with the campaign of Hillary Clinton to try to undermine then candidate Donald Trump? It is the single most corrupt, revealing moment about media bias, disinformation, propaganda, distortion and outright lies that they're willing to tell.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They gave her the questions, Sean!

HANNITY: They gave her the questions at CNN. I know. Could you -- fake news. Fake news!


HANNITY: Of all of the media outlets, which one was the worst?


HANNITY: Which one?


HANNITY: I can't hear you!


HANNITY: Here's my thing. I wanted to just add one point, and then we're going to bring our guests out. And by the way, it is an honor to be back with you now, my third year in a row.


HANNITY: And thank you. I want to say this. The media is against our president. We have Democrats against the president. We have freaky weird snowflakes against the president. And we even have weak Republicans against the president...


HANNITY: RINOs, yes. The only -- you cannot expect to vote in November and accomplish this agenda of extreme vetting, this agenda -- he kept his promise, Neil Gorsuch, an originalist on the court.


HANNITY: Right? He's keeping his promise to repeal and replace health care. He's keeping his promise to build the wall. He's keeping his promise on building the military, on build -- on saving the VA and keeping our promise to our brave men and women that serve this country.


HANNITY: For him to be successful, he's going to need every one of you in this room to stay engaged, to fight, to help, to call, and to be active in the process! Are you well willing to do that?


HANNITY: I can't hear you.


HANNITY: Are you all willing to do that?


HANNITY: OK. You ready to have a good show tonight?


HANNITY: All right, we'll take a break. Coming up -- we're just getting things started. We're at CPAC 2017. Special counselor to the president, and that's President Trump, Kellyanne Conway's in the house. She's next.

And also, deputy assistant to the president Dr. Sebastian Gorka will be here.

And later, we're going to be taking questions for this very smart, right, intuitive, brilliant crowd because they're not with Occupy Wall Street.


HANNITY: We'll continue.



HANNITY: And welcome back to "Hannity" as we are broadcasting from the Gaylord National Resort and Convention Center.


HANNITY: This year's CPAC will begin tomorrow, and for the first time in many years, the sitting president of the United States will be in attendance here at this conference this year!



HANNITY: How are you?

CONWAY: Thanks for having me.

HANNITY: Good to see you. Come on.

AUDIENCE: Kellyanne! Kellyanne! Kellyanne!

HANNITY: I can't hear you!

AUDIENCE: Kellyanne! Kellyanne!


HANNITY: Oh! What's new? Anything happening lately?

CONWAY: Had an incredible first month with President Action, President Impact, Donald J. Trump.


HANNITY: Yes. You know, we've known each other for over 20 years, probably 25.

CONWAY: Easily.

HANNITY: Easily. Right.

CONWAY: That's the birth date of some of these kids.

HANNITY: I know!


CONWAY: I'm feeling old!

HANNITY: Is that true? How many here are 20 years old or younger? OK, I hate you. All right.

CONWAY: Love it.

HANNITY: But you know...

CONWAY: That's great.

HANNITY: I've known you, and I've watched -- I have a list here of everything that the president has accomplished in 30 days. The list is extensive and long, and but for my show -- and I don't -- and maybe one other show, nobody in the media has talked about the incredible pace, speed and success of the president. Why do you think that is?

CONWAY: So some people talk about biased or fair coverage, a lack of fair coverage. My grievance is really full coverage. We want the complete story told.

So President Trump has initiated probably about 23, 24 executive actions since he got on the job a little over a month ago, Sean. Basically, one of them has gotten all of the attention.

And I think there's something called presumptive negativity. It's, What is he saying, what are his advisers saying, what are they doing today? There must be something wrong with it, must be something negative.

And I just would ask people, give us a wide berth. Actually focus on what he's doing. He's keeping all these campaign promises at a quick clip. And he's never a guy who's in a rush to do the wrong thing. His entire career, which has been decidedly outside of politics and government, has been one of deliberation, of deal making. I mean, he just absorbs information. I've never seen a more brilliant communicator, a more natural connector with individuals, with information, with issues.

And he's been the transactional guy his entire life. He absorbs the information he needs. He weighs the consequences. And he's been doing that as president in the first month.

But the list is long and growing. Just today, he talked about having a budget soon. He talked about "Obama care" replacement coming in the next...

HANNITY: Couple of weeks.

CONWAY: ... few weeks. He -- obviously, taxes will go hand in hand with that. We've got energy investment, trade deals being renegotiated. He's had all these roundtable discussions with everybody, from CEOs to laborers to the coal miners were in last week...

HANNITY: The Alibaba guy?

CONWAY: Real impact. Intel, $7 billion investment that...

HANNITY: Arizona.

CONWAY: ... I'm told was sitting in the shelf.


CONWAY: So but that's my point. I mean, there are such great stories to tell, facts and figures to put out there, stories to tell that we just want to make sure are reaching people.

But I have a lot of faith in the wisdom of the American people. They can go and pull the information themselves. It's why so many people in the mainstream media don't like the president using Twitter. Too bad! That's -- he's cutting out the middleman.


CONWAY: He -- it's -- it's really -- it's the democratization of information, where everyone can see at the same time what the president of the United States just said (INAUDIBLE)

HANNITY: I love -- you know, by the way, this is another example of fake news. I have an article here put out by CNN, shocking.


HANNITY: "Kellyanne Conway sidelined from TV after Flynn debacle." How many days have you been booked on this show for today? You were never sidelined.

CONWAY: No, I'm not. I mean, somebody's trying to start up trouble. But look, I -- about 5 percent of what I'm being asked to do in this White House counselor role is TV.

And I think that's about right because he's the president now. And he's his own best messenger. In just the last week, he held a press conference, 77 minutes, took 17 questions.


CONWAY: And you got that information for free all at the same time. And then he -- two days later, he was at a rally in Florida, so he's his own best messenger. We don't need to be out of there all the time. There are some people I think trying to get in my way. I've also gobbled up a lot of other people's TV opportunities, so there's (INAUDIBLE) on the outside, I believe,, and folks just trying to use me as click bait and a headline.

But I will only -- I'm there to serve the president, who's there to serve the American people. And I know very clearly what the portfolio includes, what I'm doing as part of his senior team, and I'm comfortable with that.

You know, in the Trump White House, we're playing long ball, long haul. And it would've been nice to have been consulted on that. I don't think I have to exclude myself if I don't -- if I'm not...

HANNITY: Kellyanne...


CONWAY: ... if I'm out with four kids looking at -- for three days looking at houses and schools. A lot of my colleagues aren't trying to figure out how to be a mother of four kids, I assure you.


HANNITY: Yes. Congratulations. Well, when I saw the headline -- I literally have a list that is now pages long of all the fake news stories, but I read the story today, and I'm, like, Well, that's impossible because she's booked on my show and...

CONWAY: (INAUDIBLE) shows tomorrow and...

HANNITY: Yes, I know.

CONWAY: It's not even worth arguing because it actually doesn't bother us. You know, some things are really, really small, and the presidency and Donald Trump in the presidency and Vice President Pence there -- that's really, big. They're going to do things that impact people's lives. And I have to tell you, all those statistics you give every single night on your show, every day on the radio, Sean -- I know those statistics are going to improve under this president and vice president. That's why I'm here. That's why you're here. And that's why it's a future shared by all.


HANNITY: And I honestly think the key to any political success is keeping your promises, and we see this unfolding and happening every day. And I just think that you have a lot of fierce opposition out there, and this is real. This is organized. I would argue money is behind it. I would even argue that probably Obama is stirring -- remember he was encouraging all the protests? That's what he said publicly. I have to wonder what he might...


HANNITY: Yes, Soros. And I have to wonder what he might be doing privately. But you know, the main thing is, is if you are able to get Americans back to work and back out of poverty and off of food stamps and you're able to make us energy-independent and give us a better health care system and secure the country through vetting and walls, to me, that would be so refreshing.

So my question is about Congress. I talk about the speed of Trump and this pathetically slow speed of Congress. I had Speaker Ryan on my show, and I asked him very pointed questions. When is this going to be done? He says legislatively in 200 days, and he's consulting with the White House.

Are you confident that it will all be done as you want it in 200 days, the president wants?

CONWAY: In my view, President Trump -- just the sheer pace of action ups everybody else's game. I mean, he is setting the agenda, the tone, the content, the pace. And you can't help when you're around him to want to try to even meet those expectations and those goals and that pace. I know that Speaker Ryan and Leader McConnell and the other leaders in the House and Senate are very hard at work and working very closely with the White House...

HANNITY: I don't trust a lot of them.

CONWAY: ... on a number of measures. And -- but I will tell you one thing...

HANNITY: How many of you trust them?

CONWAY: I will tell you one thing. I trust them to do the right thing. And I'll you one thing. It's not -- it's called causation, not coincidence that the electorate this time ended divided government. They were so tired of the excuse of divided government from both sides. Oh, we can't do X and Y, even though we promised,, because we don't have the White House. Oh, we can't do X and Y even though we promised because we don't have the Congress.

HANNITY: Now they have it.

CONWAY: We have it all now, and we have the -- we have most of the governorships. They have most of the state legislatures.


CONWAY: And that's not -- that's not a mistake. That's not a fluke. That's the electorate saying, We actually want action, not impediments.

HANNITY: We got to take a break.


HANNITY: Kellyanne, stay with us. We'll come back as we continue from CPAC 2017. Dr. Sebastian Gorka will also join us. We'll take questions from the crowd. And Conservative Union chairman Matt Schlapp will join us as we continue from CPAC.


HANNITY: Welcome back to "Hannity." We are at CPAC 2017, and we continue.


HANNITY: Counsel to the president Kellyanne Conway, I want to stay on this issue. I did feel better after I interviewed Paul Ryan and he promised me in 200 days legislatively things are going to get done. And in fairness to them, we've got to deal with reconciliation because of the way the health care bill was passed. It's got to pass -- it's got to be revenue neutral. It's got to be CBO scored. So there are challenges to do it. But the reality is I want the vetting, I want the economic plans that the president talked about, I want energy independence, I want it all. And he said that legislatively in 200 days he thinks that could happen.

KELLYANNE CONWAY, COUNSELOR TO PRESIDENT TRUMP: Yes. And this is the Congress that has been working on these issues for years. Look at repealing and replacing Obamacare, something they've been preparing for but President Obama was not going to repeal Obamacare. But now you have Secretary Price who was in Congress all those years. You have Director Mulvaney at OMB who was in Congress all these years. These are folks who are working with their former colleagues, and I'm very confident that legislation will be there.

HANNITY: How about General Kelly? He's been great.


HANNITY: Or "Mad Dog" Mattis.

CONWAY: "Mad Dog" Mattis, Rex Tillerson, secretary of state, the list goes on and on. We have 14 secretaries I believe the latest count confirmed, but some still waiting for their votes. Really, talk about lethargic pace, a lot of obstructionism there. But in the end, this is Donald Trump putting together a really brilliant, very conservative cabinet, trusted advisers, men and women really who have other things to do and other places to be who wish to serve at this point in time this president and this vice president.

HANNITY: I want to add one point and then we'll go to questions. I have watched you be attacked viciously and unfairly. We've seen it happen to the president. But everybody around him, they even attacked his 10-year- old son, they've attacked his wife. They've attacked Ivanka, they've attacked Jared, they've attacked Steve Bannon, Steve Miller, Reince Priebus. They have attacked anybody associated with the president, and it's my belief that the left has almost become totally and completely unhinged at this moment and cannot seem to accept the reality they lost and your team won.


HANNITY: Let's go to questions.

CONWAY: What I'd like to say is that America one. I tell everyone it's a victory, I get a lot of credit. We had an amazing team and of course no substitute for excellent quality candidates in Donald Trump and Mike Pence, no question. But even if it wasn't your victory and your choice, it is your future. It is a future shared by all.

And the idea that you don't respect the offense of the presidency and its current occupant, at least give him a chance to succeed. This was not the way I was raised, anyway. And the attacks are one thing. I think when you work for President Trump, you take his lead and his guidance on that. He's pretty impervious to his naysayers.

HANNITY: By the way, if you take his lead that means you do not sleep ever.

CONWAY: I know. It's a mystery to me.

But I'm just so excited. I've been coming to CPAC for, oh, my God, probably 15, 20 years, on and off as a speaker.


CONWAY: And the one thing I've always talked about that actually came true for Donald Trump is I have been on a stage like this for years and talked about the fiction of electability, that in the Republican Party we always ask this ridiculous question, who can win? You can win, you can't win, she can't win. There are these three poisonous words, "You can win, you can't win," are sucking the lifeblood out of our would-be nominees. And Donald Trump replaced electability with electricity. He went back to the grassroots and said come with me. I'm not building a traditional campaign, I'm building a movement. And people felt like they were a part of that. Even if you didn't support him at the beginning, people felt like they were a part of it. And so he's got all that good will coming in with him and people who believe in him because of his message. He comes to Washington owing no one anything, and that's why he'll get a lot done.

HANNITY: That's why I think people need to stay engaged.


HANNITY: What's your name?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I'm Ashley Camilla and I'm from Franklin, Massachusetts. I'm here with Turning Point USA.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: My question to Ms. Conway is how do we as conservative women take down the identity and gender politics of the left?

HANNITY: I think she was addressing me, Kellyanne.


HANNITY: Go right ahead.

CONWAY: Their agenda you get all excited. I think you start out by recognizing this past election, women comprised the majority of the electorate, and female candidates did not win. And that means that many people in the electorate looked past gender identity.

And look, as a country, I think most Americans say, yes, I'd like to have a female president, just not that one.



CONWAY: It wasn't a hypothetical, it was Hillary. And with that came a lot of baggage and a majority of Americans telling pollsters, even in major media polls, Sean, that they didn't trust her and they didn't much like her. And I think that female candidates often can benefit from being seen as great negotiators, consensus builders, fresh and new to politics.

There's a reason you never heard the term the old girl's network, there isn't one. And so women are often seen as less corruptible, more ethical, et cetera. And she is just not confused with any of that.

But I think, look, it's a great question because people are somewhat entranced by gender. They'll say if you share my gender that's interesting, let me take a look. But they really want to know if you share their issue set, their ideology, their faith in the future. That's what we really vote on care about.


CONWAY: And I'm very proud of the electorate for looking past that and looking toward who shared their values, their issues, and their vision for the future.

HANNITY: Great answer. All right, one quick question then we have got to take a break.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi. My name is Tracy Marlon, Florida.

CONWAY: Swing state voter. Thank you, Florida.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Thanks, Ms. Kellyanne for being a woman of integrity first.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What would you recommend to women wanting to start the career path in politics now and having the desire to help President Trump administration make America great again?

CONWAY: Thank you. First, we accept all comers in terms of people who would like to serve and help this administration, so give me a call, and I mean that. Look me up, give me a call.

In terms of starting in politics, I think one thing everybody regardless of their gender has to realize right now is that the old saying you have to have the fire in your belly is true, but now you also have to have the bile in your throat. There's a lot to swallow in today's politics, a lot of negativity, a lot of venom. And just to look past that and really focus on the issues and ideas that motivate you.

I think for women starting out in politics, I would say do what you do regardless of industry. Accept the word "no" more than often than you say it. And so if people are asking you to volunteer or help out or come to something on the weekend, just do it. Don't say no to it because I don't think opportunity always knocks twice.

Learn the fundamentals, get with the grassroots. Learn how to organize a prescient, how to write a press release, how to engage with folks door to door because there's no substitute for retail politics. Look what happened in this election. Had we not had the grassroots, had we not had a candidate in Donald Trump who refuse to have, did not need as much money, as much personnel as Hillary Clinton had, and did it through force of going out and talking about substance and issues, that would be my information. Thank you for your willingness to serve.

HANNITY: I just want to say one thing because we've been friends for so many years. Are you proud of how hard she's been working?


HANNITY: Kellyanne, thank you so much, appreciate it.

CONWAY: God bless you. thank you.

HANNITY: All right, when we come back, Dr. Sebastian Gorka will join us. Also Matt Schlapp will join us on the CPAC stage as we continue.


HANNITY: All right, welcome back to HANNITY. We're at CPAC 2017. Joining us now, deputy assistant to the president, Dr. Sebastian Gorka. Give him a warm CPAC welcome. There he is.


HANNITY: I forgot to mention you on the list.

DR. SEBASTIAN GORKA, AUTHOR, "DEFEATING JIHAD": I must be doing something right.

HANNITY: You wrote a book, I forget the exact title, how to defeat ISIS.

GORKA: "Defeating Jihad."

HANNITY: "Defeating Jihad, The Winnable War."

GORKA: Correct.

HANNITY: And I read the book. And here we have, let's look at America alone. This goes to the issue of extreme vetting. OK, Chattanooga, Pulse Nightclub, Orlando, Boston bombing, San Bernardino, Fort Hood, and I can keep going. And we've got France and Belgium, and Donald Trump was right about Sweden.


HANNITY: And you see the impact, radical Islamic terrorism, isn't it unbelievable our less president couldn't say it? And I ask you how is this war winnable when the FBI tells us there are 1,000 ongoing investigations right now in America in all 50 states.

GORKA: The only way you can win any war, Sean, is when you are allowed to talk truthfully about to the enemy is. Imagine if we're ready to storm the beaches of Normandy, OK, and they say to all the guys, the GI, is your M1 ready, are you squared away, are you laces tied? OK, you're ready. Oh, by the way, when you hit the beachheads, just remember, don't say the word "Nazi" because you could offend a German.


GORKA: Right, right? You would have been court-martialed if you'd said that. That's the last eight years.

HANNITY: Here's my fear. If you go back to the 9/11 Commission report, OK, it said, and I didn't agree with all of it, but the one thing I've agree with, they were at war with us, we weren't at war with them, that's a direct quote. But the problem is we had all these indicators. We had the embassy bombings in Tanzania and Kenya. We had the Khobar Towers. We had the USS Cole, the first Trade Center bombing, all these indicators.

Are we going to look back now because of eight years of going back to pre- 9/11 mindset, are we going to cite Chattanooga, Fort Hood, Boston, the Pulse nightclub and Fort Hood in San Bernardino and say we had no idea it was coming? Is it matter of if, not when? They want to hit us big.

GORKA: Let's just look at history, a man called Usama bin Laden twice before 9/11 in 1996 and 1998 openly declared war on the United States.

HANNITY: And we didn't pay attention.

GORKA: Right. I teach a course on understanding jihad, and there's a quote I use from a Holocaust survivor to open the course. This is a man who'd seen his whole family destroyed in World War II. His wife, his children die in death camps and labor camps. And somebody asked him a really facile question. They said to this old man, so what is your one take-home? You lived through all of this horror, what's one thing you would recommend people understand about World War II and the Holocaust? And he says, oh, that's easy. When a group of people repeatedly say they want to kill you, sooner or later, you should take them seriously.

HANNITY: Agreed.

GORKA: Right.


HANNITY: So here's my question, and we only have a minute left. So the president comes forward with the extreme vetting executive order, we're going to get a new one either late this week or early next week, and I know they're rewriting it, which I think was the right thing to do in light of the fact that they want judge shopping, they went to the ninth circuit, the most liberal circuit of the country. But why do you think -- I do not understand any reluctance or resistance that we vet people that are guests into our country? And why are so many people willing to gamble with the lives of all these people here and all these people watching at home?

GORKA: Two questions, what is the logical critique to saying we want to make our immigration policies better? What's the logic? We just want to make them more efficient. What is the argument against that? And I ask people --

HANNITY: That we're discriminatory, blah, blah, blah.

GORKA: But how about this? When you go to sleep at night, I don't care whether you live in the south side or here in Georgetown, when we go to bed at night, do you lock the front door?

HANNITY: Yes. And then I put my gun next to my bed and I go to sleep.


GORKA: So if you do that, then surely the border is our front door. Surely we should have a control as to who enters our house. This is the house of America. And the idea that we don't control it is crazy.


HANNITY: I think -- Dr. Gorka and I have become very close friends, and I think we're really lucky to have somebody that understands the nature of evil in our time, which is a clear and present danger to our country, working with the administration. My friend, good to see you. God bless you.

GORKA: Thank you, Sean. Thank you, guys.

HANNITY: And coming up, American Conservative Union Chairman Matt Schlapp will join us right here on the CPAC stage we continue, "Hannity" on the road.


HANNITY: And welcome back to "Hannity." As we continue on the road, we're at CPAC 2017. It's going to kick off tomorrow, the person responsible for putting this big event together, American Conservative Union Chairman, a friend of mine, Matt Schlapp. How are you? Warm welcome.


HANNITY: It's good to see you. We go back, a few years ago here, how many of the candidates on the stage?

MATTHEW SCHLAPP, AMERICAN CONSERVATIVE UNION CHAIRMAN: Three or four. We had 17 candidates. And I remember saying from this stage that the people assembled at CPAC that year, we were hearing from the next president on that stage. And who would imagine Friday morning we're going to hear from the president of the United States.

HANNITY: Isn't that great that he agreed to come.

SCHLAPP: It's great.

HANNITY: When I gave a speech here last year I asked the audience, some of you are going to be frustrated your guys didn't win, but will you unite around the candidate? We still have these snowflake never Trumper whiner, complainers. Do you think that's hurt the movement?

SCHLAPP: Yes, I really do think it has because conservatives have never won so much at the ballot box. We've never been in a position to have the White House, the Senate, and the House. And we have got a chance that Ronald Reagan didn't even have. And by the way, Ronald Reagan is the last president to come to see CPAC in his first year. It was a generation ago that a president came to CPAN in his first year. We've got the chance on the agenda, and we cannot squander it.

HANNITY: Tell me what part if any -- the only area of disagreement some conservatives could intellectually honestly have with President Trump, vetting is conservatives, the wall is conservative, repealing and replacing is conservative, his economic plant is right out of Reagan, his building a strong national defense, taking care of our vets, education back to the states, energy independence, what part of that is not conservative?

SCHLAPP: How about Neil Gorsuch?

HANNITY: Neil Gorsuch.

SCHLAPP: how about the most conservative cabinet in the last 50 years according to our own ACU ratings? He is really starting off in the right way, and I think conservatives feel respected that he's coming to CPAC. And I think it's good to be a great partnership.

HANNITY: I think it has been already. Are you all happy with what he's put together every year?


SCHLAPP: Let's give it up for Matt Schlapp, our good friend. Matt, thank you for having us back again this year. We appreciate you being with us.

When we come back we have a very important "Question of the Day" and a lot of football throwing, that's straight ahead.


HANNITY: Welcome back to "Hannity." We are broadcasting from CPAC 2017. You all have a great time tonight?


HANNITY: Time for our "Question of the Day." Donald Trump will be speaking here on Friday. What grade would you give him, how do you think he's doing in his first month as president? Just go to Facebook.com/SeanHannity, @SeanHannity on Twitter, let us know what you think.

That's all the time we have left this evening. As always, thank you for being with us. Have a great night. Thank you, CPAC.

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