This is a rush transcript from "Hannity," February 13, 2017. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.
SEAN HANNITY, HOST: And welcome to "Hannity." And tonight, I go one on one with Jorge Ramos over the illegal immigration crisis that's happening in America. Also, Laura Ingraham and Tami Lahren -- they'll be here with reaction.
But first, the alt radical left and the abusively biased, quote, "mainstream" media is spreading fear and falsehoods over the arrests of hundreds of criminal illegal immigrants. That is tonight's "Opening Monologue."
Now, once again, there is collective hysteria from the alt radical left over the fact that over the last week, federal immigration officials arrested 680 mostly dangerous individuals in a series of raids. Now, the Department of Homeland Security put out a statement earlier today that reads, in part, quote, "Of those arrested, approximately 75 percent were criminal aliens convicted of crimes including, but not limited to, homicide, aggravated sexual abuse, sexual assault of a minor, lewd and lascivious acts with a child, indecent liberties with a minor, drug trafficking, battery, assault, DUI and weapons charges."
And earlier today, President Trump, he reacted to those arrests. Let's take a look.
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PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: We have really done a great job. We're actually taking people that are criminals, very, very hardened criminals in some cases, with a tremendous track record of abuse and problems, and we're getting them out. And that's what I said I would do. I'm just doing what I said I would do.
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HANNITY: Now, of course, these facts didn't matter to the abusively biased alt left media. Now, take a look at how they covered the story. Watch the hysteria, the breathlessness.
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JIM AVILA, "WORLD NEWS"/ABC, FEB. 12: A stern warning to all 11 million undocumented living in the United States, most of them law-abiding and paying taxes and working, that they're no longer safe to stay here.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE, "WORLD NEWS"/ABC, FEB. 12: An enforcement surge in undocumented immigrant arrests, targeted raids rounding up hundreds of foreign nationals. Is the new administration behind the latest crackdown?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE, "NIGHTLY NEWS"/NBC, FEB. 12: We begin tonight with the growing battle over immigration in this country. Hundreds of undocumented immigrants were arrested this week across the nation in what authorities insist are routine law enforcement operations.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE, "EVENING NEWS"/CBS, FEB. 12: In Texas, video on social media showing a man being detained by an ICE agent in front of a fast food restaurant sends a chilling message.
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HANNITY: Now, while fear mongering, the media also forgot to mention that these raids are routine, and in many cases, have been planned for for a long time.
On top of that, the media is now actively working to help and protect illegal alien law breakers. USA Today has put out an article with the headline, quote, "What to do if immigration officers come knocking at your door?" Really? Well, could you imagine if the tables were turned and a conservative outlet had encouraged law-breaking? Not to mention the massive double standard that is playing out here.
Now, President Trump made it very clear he's going to deport criminal illegal immigrants, and it was one of his key campaign promises. That's not stopping the left and the press from relentlessly attacking in the president.
So I want to take a moment and remind these extremely biased Trump haters and critics that are so lazy that it was Barack Obama and Bill Clinton, they said the exact same thing as Donald Trump! Don't believe me? Take a look yourself.
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PRESIDENT BILL CLINTON, 1995: It is wrong and ultimately self-defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws we have seen in recent years, and we must do more to stop it.
THEN-SEN. BARACK OBAMA,D-ILL., 2005 : We all agree on the need to better secure the border and to punish employers who choose to hire illegal immigrants. You know, we are generous and welcoming people here in the United States, but those who enter the country illegally and those who employ them disrespect the rule of law and they are showing disregard for those who are following the law.
PRESIDENT OBAMA, 2014: Today, our immigration system is broken, and everybody knows it. Even as we are a nation of immigrants, we're also a nation of laws. Undocumented workers broke our immigration laws, and I believe that they must be held accountable. If you're a criminal, you'll be deported.
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HANNITY: So where was the outrage over those statements? Now, this exposes the rampant hypocrisy from the alt radical left and it proves that they'll attack Donald Trump, President Trump, on anything to try and score cheap political points.
Now, President Trump, just like many of his predecessors, he wants to keep Americans safe. That's the bottom line here. The left wants to play the race card while the president wants to stop the drugs from pouring across the border.
Now, let's look at some of the statistics here. According to a 2015 report from the Migration Policy Institute, an estimated 820,000 of the projected or estimated 11 million illegal immigrants living in America, they're convicted criminals! And in fiscal year 2015, 36.6 percent of the over 70,000 federal sentences were for crimes committed by illegal aliens.
And as we have shown you, I've personally been down to the border at least a dozen times -- horseback, in boats, flying in helicopters, all-terrain vehicles -- I've seen up close drug warehouses floor to ceiling packed with drugs that were headed right for your children. I've seen illegal immigrants being arrested, including one gang member. And two weeks ago, we sent a "Hannity" producer to the border and he caught on video agents seizing 400 pounds of drugs that were headed to your communities.
And back in 2014 -- this is really important and eye-opening -- I sat through briefing with former Texas governor Rick Perry where we were told a shocking statistic about illegal immigrant crime just in the state of Texas. Watch this.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Criminal aliens have been responsible about 642,000 offenses, criminal offenses.
HANNITY: 642,000 crimes in seven years have been orchestrated -- that -- that we have brave men and women that are literally using military tactics to fight what they consider to be cartels. That is a huge story.
THEN-GOV. RICK PERRY, R-TEXAS: I trust the people, the professionals that work on this border every day. They put their lives on the line.
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HANNITY: This is beyond a serious problem. It is impacting every single American. And the American people -- you know what? Your families, your friends, your communities are being hurt and you're paying a lot of money because of illegal immigrants, crimes and drugs that are coming across the border.
It's very simple. President Trump says he wants to stop this from happening. But again, many on the alt radical left are doing everything they can do to prevent it from happening, and it's putting American lives in danger.
Here now to debate the issue, Univision news anchor Fusion host Jorge Ramos. All right, Jorge, are you at all concerned about Americans that have been killed by illegal immigrants? Are you at all concerned about the drugs that have come into this country? Are you all concerned about the money Americans have to pay for illegal immigrants as it relates to our educational system, our health care system, our criminal justice system?
Because you say you don't recognize the country. Well, I think America is a country of law. Do any of these things impress you at all or bother you at all or you have any concern for your fellow American citizen?
JORGE RAMOS, UNIVISION/FUSION: Absolutely. Absolutely. And no one here, Sean -- and this is very important. No one here, including me, is defending criminals in this country. No one here is defending terrorists or rapists. No one is doing that. But the way you are presenting this issue is absolutely wrong, completely biased, because you are presenting...
HANNITY: Excuse me, Jorge...
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HANNITY: With all due respect, I'm not going to let you challenge my facts! These are all facts.
RAMOS: Let me say -- let me say -- let me give you my argument.
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RAMOS: Let me give you my argument, and then -- and then...
HANNITY: Give me all the arguments you want. Let's stick to the facts.
RAMOS: OK, so -- so -- OK. All right. This is the reality. The vast majority of immigrants in this country, the vast majority, Sean, are not criminals, are not terrorists and are not rapists. Checked report by the American Immigration Council. Immigrants are less likely to be criminals than those born in the United States. Immigrants are less likely to be behind bars than U.S. citizens.
HANNITY: That's not true!
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HANNITY: That's not true!
RAMOS: Well, I mean, those are the facts...
HANNITY: Because 36 percent...
RAMOS: Let me give you...
HANNITY: ... represent the 70,000 people that went to a federal prison. That's just not true!
RAMOS: So it is -- what you are presenting is (INAUDIBLE) Most immigrants in this country are criminals. Yes, I agree. Undocumented immigrants made -- they committed a crime by coming to the United States. But that does not mean that they are killing Americans.
HANNITY: Excuse me!
RAMOS: That doesn't mean that they are rapists.
HANNITY: I agree. Not every -- a lot of people...
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RAMOS: Now is my chance, Sean. Let me give you another number...
HANNITY: Go ahead. Go ahead.
RAMOS: ... which is true. Since 1990, and I think we can agree with this, the number of the undocumented population grew from 3.5 to about 11 million. I think we can agree with that, right?
HANNITY: I don't think anybody knows the true number, but that's the number many people use.
RAMOS: We are working -- we all are working with 11 million, and I believe that, even though you might not agree with that. But we agree that it went from 3.5 to 11 million, OK? According to the FBI, in that same period, violent crimes in this country -- violent crimes decreased by 48 percent. So that's the FBI. So what do you want me -- those are the facts, Sean. And even though you might want to present undocumented immigrants as criminals, that's not the case.
HANNITY: You know, I just...
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HANNITY: Excuse me. In the fiscal -- hang on. Now it's my turn.
RAMOS: OK. Go ahead. And then let me talk about Guadalupe (INAUDIBLE) because...
HANNITY: In 2015...
RAMOS: ... she's just a mom who got deported, but go ahead.
HANNITY: All right. In the fiscal year 2015, 36.6 percent of the over 70,000 federal sentences were for crimes committed by illegal immigrants. I just played for you -- I sat in a security briefing -- over a seven-year period of time, Texans alone, 642,000 crimes, including -- not the majority, including rape, sexual assault, murders of people in Texas, and...
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HANNITY: OK, well, 642,000 in one state in seven years is...
RAMOS: I don't agree with that.
HANNITY: Wait a minute! It's unforgivable, and we ought not risk American lives -- 642,000. I want you to listen to this woman, and it's an angel mom. I did a whole town hall with mothers who had their children murdered by illegal immigrants. Listen to this mother.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: My son was an integral part of the community. His life was cut short by a repeat criminal. And the loss has been felt for years.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: My son was murdered April 27th, 2002. When I found out this guy was here illegally and across the border, I was outraged. This should not be happening. Our children should be protected. Our citizens should be protected. Us Americans should come first!
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HANNITY: Here's my question. Donald Trump wants to get rid of criminal aliens. He said he will show more compassion for those people that have been law-abiding...
RAMOS: He hasn't shown more compassion so far.
HANNITY: Hang on. Excuse me. Yes, he has. Now, he has not been -- this has not been...
RAMOS: Of course not.
HANNITY: No, what you're describing is not true. But I'm asking, do you agree with me -- should every criminal illegal immigrant be thrown out of this country, every one?
RAMOS: If they committed a crime...
HANNITY: Any crime.
RAMOS: ... a real crime, absolutely. Absolutely.
HANNITY: Good.
RAMOS: The problem is how do you define a crime? For instance...
HANNITY: OK, how about...
RAMOS: ... if you use a Social Security number...
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HANNITY: ... driving drunk on our streets?
RAMOS: ... would that be considered a crime?
HANNITY: Using drugs? You know what bothers me? How many times have you been down to the border where all the crime is? Have you ever been to a drug warehouse?
RAMOS: Well, let me tell you I've been in this country for 33 years and...
HANNITY: Have you ever been to a drug warehouse down in -- down in...
RAMOS: ... I've been dozens or hundreds of times. I have been there. I have been there, but...
HANNITY: You've been to the drug warehouses?
RAMOS: ... but the problem, Sean, is that you're criminalizing a whole population.
HANNITY: I am not criminalizing the whole population!
RAMOS: And it's not true. Now is my turn -- now is my turn to talk about...
HANNITY: I gave you a statistic...
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HANNITY: But what you said is not true! 642,000 Texans! 642,000!
RAMOS: I just gave you the numbers. Thanks to immigrants, crime is going down in this country. I'm not defending those who have killed people. I'm not defending those who have committed rape. I cannot even to -- I can't even imagine the pain that the mothers that you showed are feeling right now because of the loss of their family members. I honestly...
HANNITY: And there's many more, many, many more!
RAMOS: It's incredible. But the vast majority, Sean -- and this is very important for the American people to know...
HANNITY: Not one American should die, Jorge! Not one!
RAMOS: ... the vast majority -- the vast majority of undocumented immigrants in this country are not criminals, are not terrorists, are not gang members.
HANNITY: Here's...
RAMOS: Now is my turn.
HANNITY: Go ahead.
RAMOS: Guadalupe Garcia -- Guadalupe Garcia, she's been in this country for 22 years. Look what Donald Trump did. This is what Donald Trump did.
HANNITY: OK...
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HANNITY: Nice emotional pitch.
RAMOS: These kids -- these kids...
HANNITY: She here illegally?
RAMOS: ... Jacqueline (ph) 14, legally...
HANNITY: Why didn't she...
RAMOS: ... born in the United States...
HANNITY: Here's my question back to you...
RAMOS: ... Angel, legally, a U.S. citizen. So this is exactly what Donald Trump, the deportation czar...
HANNITY: OK, that's a...
RAMOS: ... has been doing, dividing...
HANNITY: Let me -- let me ask you this...
RAMOS: ... destroying American families.
HANNITY: Let me ask you this because that's not the norm, either. But let me ask you this because why should...
RAMOS: Well, it's been the norm lately.
HANNITY: Wait a minute! American -- the American taxpayer pays trillions of dollars for illegal immigrants that didn't respect our laws and sovereignty to send their kids to school. It -- we've spent trillions of dollars over the years as it relates to the criminal justice system and our health care system.
Now, I'm trying -- you say this isn't the America I know. Well, what America do you know, that where people break the law and that people don't respect American sovereignty, that Americans have to be -- some of them lose their children just because you define compassion as open borders? And you're willing...
RAMOS: No, I don't define compassion...
HANNITY: Wait. And you're wiling...
RAMOS: ... as open borders.
HANNITY: ... to risk the lives of American to allow this insanity to continue? Don't you agree we need a wall with a door?
RAMOS: I don't agree that we need a wall because almost 40 percent of all immigrants -- it doesn't matter how big or how tall...
HANNITY: How about a wall with a door? What's wrong with that?
RAMOS: About 40 percent of all undocumented immigrants come by plane or with a visa. So...
HANNITY: Why should Americans pay for Mexicans...
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RAMOS: What do you want to spend $21 billion...
HANNITY: ... to have a vacation?
RAMOS: ... to a wall that isn't going to...
HANNITY: And health care.
RAMOS: ... work. It's a waste of time and money.
HANNITY: Why should Americans have to pay for the education of citizens of Mexico -- for their education, their health care, and if they break laws, sending them to jail? Why do we have to pay trillions of dollars?
RAMOS: That's a good point. Let me give you...
HANNITY: Do you care about the Americans?
RAMOS: ... the other argument. Let me give you the other argument. Of course, especially cities and states, they're spending billions of dollars on immigrants. I agree with that. Now...
HANNITY: You agree with that. Who's going to pay us back?
RAMOS: OK, they are already paying that because undocumented immigrants, they pay taxes. They create jobs. They do the jobs that nobody else will do.
HANNITY: Not all of them!
RAMOS: Remember...
HANNITY: Some. Some.
RAMOS: ... the immigration proposal in 2013?
HANNITY: Not everybody.
RAMOS: Remember the immigration proposal in 2013?
HANNITY: I tell you what...
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HANNITY: We'll pick it up right there. Stay right there. We have one more segment.
RAMOS: OK. All right.
HANNITY: We'll have more with our debate with -- on illegal immigration Jorge Ramos.
Then reaction tonight from Laura Ingraham, and she'll weigh in on President Donald Trump's plans for extreme vetting. And then later, Tami Lahren, Jessica Tarlov -- they go head to head over the relentless, unrelenting attacks by the left against the president's 10-year-old son and grandchildren! We'll show you the disturbing examples and more as "Hannity" continues.
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HANNITY: And welcome back to "Hannity" as we continue our debate tonight with Jorge Ramos of Univision.
I want to ask you about extreme vetting, OK? We know that we have an enemy. It's called radical Islam. I'll put up on the screen what is the law, and that is, "Whenever a president finds the entry of any alien, or any class of aliens, into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation and for such period as he deems necessary suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or non-immigrants or impose on the entry of aliens any restriction he may deem appropriate."
So we have these seven countries, and there are others -- I would say the list needs to be bigger -- that have ties to terror. And what he's saying is we are going to probably inconvenience people to make sure that they are not the people that James Comey and the CIA director and assistant FBI director and the national director of intelligence and former special envoy to defeat ISIS all told the country that ISIS will infiltrate the refugee population.
Do you support extreme vetting to protect Americans and not gamble with their lives?
RAMOS: Well, what I can't understand is that the same country that gave me all the opportunities that my country of origin couldn't give me now is treating other immigrants in these...
HANNITY: So we should gamble...
RAMOS: ... simply because...
HANNITY: ... with the lives of Americans?
RAMOS: Simply because they were born in another country.
HANNITY: Oh.
RAMOS: I mean, 16 attorney generals...
HANNITY: Even though we know...
RAMOS: ... don't agree with you...
HANNITY: Even though we know they have a connection to terror.
RAMOS: John Kerry and Madeleine Albright don't agree with you. So you might think that you are right, Sean, but many people think that what Donald Trump...
HANNITY: Jorge...
RAMOS: ... is doing is...
HANNITY: You know what you're doing?
RAMOS: ... really undermining the national security of the United States.
HANNITY: Jorge...
RAMOS: That's your point of view, Sean.
HANNITY: Wait, wait! Hang on a second!
RAMOS: I respect that, but that's not the reality.
HANNITY: Here's the reality. This is a truth. Radical Islamists are at war with America. Need I'm remind you of Chattanooga, Fort Hood, the Boston bombing, San Bernardino, the Orlando Pulse nightclub, all that has happened...
RAMOS: (INAUDIBLE)
HANNITY: Let me finish! And I remind you of all these things. And these countries have contacts with terrorists. So you're willing to make this choice. Instead of the inconvenience of people from countries we know have ties to terror because Obama told us that you are willing to gamble with the lives of Americans and not vet them!
RAMOS: No, no.
HANNITY: That, to me -- you don't -- do you really care about your fellow Americans at all? Do you care about their safety?
RAMOS: You know my kids were born here, Sean. Paulo (ph) and Nicolas (ph), they were born here.
HANNITY: Do you care about Americans?
RAMOS: And I'm glad that you mentioned -- and I'm glad that you mentioned the Boston bombing, I'm glad that you mentioned, San Bernardino, I'm glad that you mentioned 9/11, because guest what? None of the terrorists involved in those acts, none of them, are part of the seven countries...
HANNITY: You're not answering my question.
RAMOS: ... that Donald Trump...
HANNITY: You're not answering my question.
RAMOS: ... is trying to ban.
HANNITY: Excuse me. I have -- we now know and have identified...
RAMOS: They're from those countries.
HANNITY: Wait a minute. We know have identified 72 people convicted from the seven countries since 9/11. So you're willing to gamble with the lives of Americans rather than inconvenience people that come from countries that have ties to terrorism!
RAMOS: It is the Constitution, Sean. It is -- it is simply the Constitution. And it all depends what kind of country we want to be.
HANNITY: They're not citizens, Jorge! They're not citizens!
RAMOS: If Donald Trump is so right, then how come four judges so far have decided that he's...
HANNITY: Because they went judge shopping to the -- to the...
RAMOS: ... that he made a mistake.
HANNITY: ... number one judicial activist court...
RAMOS: Well, that's how you want to see it...
HANNITY: ... in the country!
RAMOS: ... but I respect the judges in this country. That's how you see it...
HANNITY: Oh, OK!
RAMOS: ... but I really respect the judges in this country.
HANNITY: You don't think the 9th circuit -- by the way, overturned about 80 percent of the time -- that they're -- seriously?
RAMOS: That's why I came to this country, because of balance of power.
HANNITY: Why are you willing -- last question.
RAMOS: I came to this country...
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RAMOS: ... fleeing censorship. That's why I love this country...
HANNITY: Why are you willing -- hang on a second.
RAMOS: ... because you have balance of power.
HANNITY: Why are you willing to side with a little inconvenience, not from citizens but people that want to visit our great nation -- they're going to be inconvenienced, yes. But why are you willing to...
RAMOS: Because I believe in immigrants.
HANNITY: Why are you willing...
RAMOS: I'm an immigrant.
HANNITY: Why are you willing to gamble...
RAMOS: And other immigrants like me are not...
HANNITY: You're not letting me finish.
RAMOS: ... criminals or terrorists. Go ahead.
HANNITY: Why are you willing to gamble with the lives of Americans? Why? That to me is reckless and irresponsible!
RAMOS: I -- you know, I believe in this country. I believe in the laws of this country. I believe in the freedoms of this country. I believe in the Constitution. I believe...
HANNITY: They're not citizens, Jorge!
RAMOS: I believe in the Declaration of Independence...
HANNITY: How about protecting the American people?
RAMOS: ... that all men are created equal, even if we're immigrants. And I want to let you know that immigrants, we are not criminals and terrorists. And this is our country.
HANNITY: Not all!
RAMOS: Your country...
HANNITY: Some are.
RAMOS: ... and my country.
HANNITY: Some are.
RAMOS: Our country.
HANNITY: 3,000...
RAMOS: And even thought you might want to...
HANNITY: ... people died on 9/11!
RAMOS: ... criminalize the immigrant population, we are not as you want to portray us.
HANNITY: 642,000...
RAMOS: We're not like that.
HANNITY: ... crimes in seven years -- I sat through a security briefing...
RAMOS: I don't agree with that number. I don't agree with that number.
HANNITY: I sat -- I played it at the beginning of the first segment!
RAMOS: Yes, but I don't agree -- just because you're saying that, Sean...
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HANNITY: The people on the front lines were lying to me, is that what you're saying?
RAMOS: So the American Immigration Council is lying and the FBI is lying...
HANNITY: Hey, you just heard from two mothers...
RAMOS: ... that crime has decreased...
HANNITY: ... that lost their kids!
RAMOS: ... because of immigrants?
HANNITY: Two mothers lost their kids! Why do we risk their kids' lives...
RAMOS: I understand that.
HANNITY: ... because you want...
RAMOS: I understand that.
HANNITY: ... open borders and you're unwilling to ask...
RAMOS: No, because I think...
HANNITY: ... people to come here legally?
RAMOS: ... background checks do better than (INAUDIBLE)
HANNITY: You should respect the law, Jorge! You don't respect law!
RAMOS: I am respecting the law.
HANNITY: You don't respect American law or do you care -- you seem to care...
RAMOS: No, no, no, Sean. It's...
HANNITY: ... enough about the American people.
RAMOS: It's a debate. I understand it's a debate, but I do respect the law, and I think background checks...
HANNITY: (INAUDIBLE) do not -- can't support...
RAMOS: ... is much better than case (ph) law.
HANNITY: ... illegal immigration and respect the law! That's beyond a joke! That's just not reality.
RAMOS: I don't think so. I don't think so, Sean. And before we finish, even though we don't agree on anything, I really appreciate the fact that we can have this conversation because we need these conversations to change the things the way they are.
HANNITY: You know what? I want people to come here. My grandparents all were immigrants. I'm just asking people...
RAMOS: I came legally. I came legally...
HANNITY: ... to follow -- follow...
RAMOS: ... to this country as your family.
HANNITY: Follow the law. Do it legally. Let us check you out, and then you can become a part of our family.
RAMOS: And they are here because there are thousands of American companies who hire them.
HANNITY: OK, and they were checked out.
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RAMOS: Your audience and you and me, will all benefit from the work.
HANNITY: All right, I got to go.
RAMOS: The house where you live was built by immigrants and...
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RAMOS: ... was harvested by immigrants.
HANNITY: Jorge, thank you.
When we come back, Laura Ingraham here with reaction to our interview with Jorge Ramos.
And later tonight...
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TRUMP: We cannot let the wrong people in. And I will not allow that to happen during this administration. And people -- citizens of our country want that.
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HANNITY: President Trump standing by his plans for extreme vetting. We'll get Laura Ingraham to react.
And later tonight, Tami Lahren, Jessica Tarlov -- they go head to head over the left viciously attacking members of the president's own family, including young children! That's straight ahead.
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HANNITY: Welcome back to "Hannity." Joining me now with reaction to my interview with Jorge Ramos, editor in chief of Lifezette, Fox News contributor, rockin and rollin, radio talk show host, Laura Ingraham. How are you?
LAURA INGRAHAM, EDITOR IN CHIEF, LIFEZETTE.COM: Hey, Sean good to see you.
HANNITY: Why it his -- I don't even understand. And I have a pretty good ability to understand other people's arguments. This I don't recognize this country. I didn't recognize it being in a hole where a tunnel was built from Mexico to San Diego or the drugs, the drug warehouse where I saw all of these drugs from floor to ceiling, or the gang member when I was out on patrol with these guys that was arrested. I do not think that's our America either, do you?
INGRAHAM: No. And I also don't understand the America that allows 180,000 illegal immigrants who have been convicted of a crime loose on the streets. We have almost 200,000 people who have been convicted of a crime beyond just being in the country illegally who have not been apprehended or removed from the country.
Now people like Ramos will say some of them are from countries that will not take them back. Don't you think the United States has a lot of leverage? If there are certain countries that refuse to take their criminal population back, there's a lot we can do to change that dynamic. And you just need a president who has the will to follow through on what is fair and what is practical, which is this is your country, the citizens from your country. We jailed them for a period of time, if they're felons especially. Now they've finished their sentence, they need to go home. Or we found them after they've been accused of multiple felonies. We're going to deal with them and then ultimately they're going to have to go home. But apparently we are just supposed be housing the world's criminal population as long as they came here illegally first. It's craziness.
HANNITY: I think it's craziness. Is it not American to say come in legally, and are you going to respect our sovereignty and American law? The argument to me just falls on deaf ears for me. And similarly, it's the same thing with the whole refugee vetting issue. OK, we might inconvenience some people from seven countries that have ties to terror or terror training, but we are not going to gamble with the lives of American people. What other country, can you think of any that allows anybody to come in, you can walk across the border, you can stay there? When I go to Great Britain, when I have been to Israel, they vet me.
INGRAHAM: Sean, I went over to do my radio show once in Israel. And my producer A.J. and I, we were actually in hysterics, we almost didn't make our flight going back, but they took apart our microphone, our radio mic and our remote mic, they took apart every aspect of our equipment to make sure there was nothing in it as we were boarding. It was actually really comforting. It was really inconvenient, but who cares? They are doing their job is to enter that country. Turkey does a pretty good job as well. You go into the Istanbul Airport. You walk through. There's a lot of common sense personality profiling. And I think it does make sense.
But back to Ramos. Ramos is very impassioned, and he fights for what he believes in. I get that. I do understand that.
HANNITY: But he's fighting for the very things that Mexico would never allow because we know if you are from Central America and you walk into Mexico, you were either going to jail or you're going home and there's no discussion.
INGRAHAM: Yes. And I think that what he has to understand is that ultimately, this isn't going to hold. You can have the marches and you can shut down government business and you can have really colorful signage and so forth. But ultimately if the middle class in America is not able to make a living based on the fair wages they are going to be paid on a real market-based system, not a phony system where we have a constant flow of illegals across the border to lower wages, that system ultimately will not hold. And Donald Trump is the vessel for a lot of the frustration on that issue right now, and he responded to that in the campaign.
But it's not good for middle-class Latinos who are working hard who came here legally. It's not good for middle class or low income white people, or people from Europe who are struggling. There has to be a level of fairness that applies to all people legally in the United States, and if you are here illegally, you can't boohoo about how you are going to be separating families. It's just not fair to everybody else who is trying to make ends meet in the end.
HANNITY: We're going to take a break. We'll continue. More in Laura right after this break. And coming up next tonight --
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TRUMP: We cannot let the wrong people in, and I will not allow that to happen during this administration. And people, citizens of our country want that.
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HANNITY: The president standing by his plan for extreme vetting to keep you, the American people, safe. Laura weighs in on that.
And also, the left continues to show they are more than willing to go after the president's family, even his grandchildren and his 10-year-old child. Look at Ivanka's clothing line, that was just the beginning. So we will have the very latest on all that. Tomi Lahren, Jessica Tarlov will have a passionate debate straight ahead.
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TRUMP: We cannot let the wrong people in, and I will not allow that to happen during this administration. And people, citizens of our country want that. And that's their attitude too, I will tell you. We are such praise for our stance. And it is a stance of common sense. Maybe a certain toughness, but it's really more than toughness. It's a stance of common sense, and we are going to pursue it vigorously.
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HANNITY: President Trump earlier today reiterating his commitment to extreme vetting even in the face of stiff resistance from the U.S. court system. And yesterday on FOX News Sunday, White House senior adviser Steve Miller, he said that the president is exploring all options to keep you, the American people, safe. Watch this.
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STEPHEN MILLER, WHITE HOUSE SENIOR ADVISER: Right now we are considering and pursuing all options. Those options include seeking emergency stay at the Supreme Court, continuing the appeal with the panel, having an emergency hearing. We are going to the trial court in the district level and a trial on the merits. They also include, as you mentioned, the possibility of new executive actions designed to prevent terrorist infiltration of our country.
But I want to say something very clearly. And this is going to be very disappointing to the people protesting the president and the people in Congress like Senator Schumer who have attacked the president for his lawful and necessary action. The president's powers here are beyond question.
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HANNITY: Now, while the administration plots its next move, the Center for Immigration Studies released a brand new report which analyzed the Senate judiciary committee data. They found this -- 72 individuals from the seven countries covered in President Trump's vetting executive have been convicted in terror cases since 9/11, 2001.
We continue with the editor in chief of Lifezette, Fox News contributor, nationally syndicated radio talk show host, Laura Ingraham. All right, I want to look at a broader picture here. What Miller clearly was talking about, enumerated powers of the president as the commander-in-chief and obviously U.S. code 81182 which we have all discussed. What's happening is first to go after Kellyanne. Then they go after Bannon, Darth Vader. Now they're going after Miller. I see now another round of attacks on Trump. This is on top of going -- we will talk about this next, Donald Trump's 10- year-old son, now his grandchild, and Eric Trump has to stop he was fundraising for St. Jude's hospital, millions of dollars he raises, Ivanka Trump, Kellyanne, Don, Jr.,'s kids.
INGRAHAM: Don't you wish you were in the White House, Sean? That'd be fun.
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HANNITY: No one invited me, so I'm fine. But here's my question. I think this is an effort to demonize, delegitimize, and hurt and make it hard for everybody around the president, and it's an orchestrated effort. Am I wrong?
INGRAHAM: It's Alinsky tactics 101 -- isolate, demonize, delegitimize, dismiss. And we know that. You've been dealing with for years on air and exposing it. You exposed it when Obama just took over and during the campaign in 2008. This is what they're going to do. We knew this.
So what do you have to do when you are messaging important changes and necessary changes in policy? What do you do? The way you roll it out is important. The way you set the tone of the objective is important. That all -- it all makes it more difficult. When you do will roll out right, it makes it more difficult for the left to caricature you, to demonize you, to dismiss you. They'll try and invariably in some cases maybe they will even succeed. But it's very important for the Trump team to all be on the same page and reiterating the same themes, not stepping on each other's narrative, not stepping on the overall point here, which is to keep the country safe and to do this the right way.
And I think early on, everybody is trying to get their footing. And I think the left and some of the media are taking advantage of the fact that this is new stuff for a lot of the folks in the White House. It is not a criticism, it's just that it's new. It's not running a campaign. Governing is different from campaigning. And you need a strong chief of staff. You need a strong communications team. And you need people who are unafraid and courageous. I think they have all that, but I think they're still finding their footing. I think it's going to be fine, but I think there's been some rough moments.
HANNITY: It's personal and it's unfair. But look at all the stories put out, pull up one story after another. A story about a shadow White House where Obama is going to be and he's organizing people and supporting protesters and scheming to sabotage President Trump. Jim Webb actually said there's a campaign on Capitol Hill in the media and academia to personally discredit Trump. OK, Bill Maher, Trump is mentally ill. CNN, they had two guests this weekend suggesting the same thing. Al Franken, by the way, the last person to talk, saying the same thing.
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HANNITY: But all of this -- it seems like there's an effort to delegitimize, that even with George W. Bush and Bush derangement syndrome, it took a little bit of time. There's no honeymoon period here for this president.
INGRAHAM: Yes, there is no honeymoon period, but you and I knew that. We said right the day after the election, it's going to be war every day. They're going to challenge every action that you take in court. You better make sure you have your key team members in place before you rush out to do something.
HANNITY: By the way, how funny was this? So at the Grammys Joy Villa is the singer, and she wears the "Make America Great" and Trump on the back, and's sales skyrocketed, Amazon everywhere, iTunes. So I guess maybe there's a message there for Hollywood in the music world.
Alinski Hey, Sean, there is an opening here. You've got a fashion line. It's all good. I love it. I think that was courageous of her to do that.
HANNITY: It really was. I thought it was, especially in that environment. All right, good to see you, as always, Laura Ingraham.
And coming up, President Trump's family continues to come under attack, even the president's grandchildren and 10-year-old son. You won't believe the latest examples we have from the supposedly tolerant and compassionate left. Tomi Lahren, Jessica Tarlov are here to debate that and more as "Hannity" continues.
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HANNITY: Welcome back to "Hannity." So some New York City families are allegedly considering a boycott of an elite upper eastside school because the grandson of President Trump is rumored to be attending kindergarten there in the fall. This according to a report in the New York Post titled "Trump ties to upper eastside school stirs moms." Sadly, this is just the latest example of the left demeaning the family of President Trump.
Joining us now is the director of research at Bustle.com, Jessica Tarlov, and the host of "Tomi" on The Blaze, Tomi Lahren is with us. First they go after -- it was vicious what they did to Barron. I have met him. Awesome kid, smart, polite, intelligent, really good kid.
Now they are going after the grandchild and the child of Don, Jr. Then they stopped Eric Trump from raising money for St. Jude's hospital, a cancer ward, because there might have conflicts with people who give money. And poor Ivanka, she can't do anything right, they are politicizing her line at Nordstrom's and elsewhere. Every person that I know works here loves her stuff. Why are they going after kids, and what would happen if we did that?
TOMI LAHREN, HOST OF "TOMI" ON THE BLAZE: We know what would happen. But this is just another example, what did they like to say, when they go low, we go high? After the kids. It's a different set of standards obviously. And if they are so shaken by having a child going to kindergarten, it's going to be a rough life for some of these individuals. They're going to want to shelter their children. But then again, colleges have safe spaces now. So they're just preparing then in Kindergarten.
HANNITY: Legos, crayons, coloring books. Jessica, I never talked about Malia and Sasha. The only thing I said is it seems like they're great kids. Why are you going after a 10-year-old? Why are you going after a kid in kindergarten?
JESSICA TARLOV, DIRECTOR OF RESEARCH, BUSTLE.COM: I've never done it, no one I fraternize with does it.
HANNITY: You're going to beat up a girl, Ivanka, who is a lovely woman.
TARLOV: Listen, I think that going after a 10-year-old is completely unacceptable, and boycotting a school, it's a great school, is completely unacceptable. Having a discussion about the Eric Trump Foundation or Ivanka and her clothing line, these are adult children. Ivanka tweeted today a picture of her sitting between her father and Justin Trudeau talking about what they discussed in term of advancing women. She is an advisor to the administration. That's not the same thing as just being at a child.
HANNITY: That was a social moment.
TARLOV: Yes.
HANNITY: She's a public figure.
TARLOV: Why was she in the first meeting with Prime Minister Abe. And also Tomi, you actually tweeted compared Chelsea Clinton to the Trump kids. "This isn't about looks, #debate." What did you mean by that? Why are we talking about this? Why would you talk about the kids yourselves?
LAHREN: For the record my you want to discuss Ivanka, this is all open for discussion. We're talking about the fact if Hillary would've won and Chelsea was sitting in the middle between two world leaders, you guys would've applauded her all night long. She would have been the poster child of the feminist. Ivanka is sitting there, all of a sudden --
TARLOV: I'm asking you about your tweet. And I'm not saying if Chelsea was doing that, I wanted her to step down --
HANNITY: Wait, she's explained it. It's not about looks, it's about politics.
LAHREN: Ivanka, you're talking about when I said compare the two, yes, Ivanka has done great things.
TARLOV: And Chelsea, what?
LAHREN: I'm talking about the way that the media covers the two is night and day.
TARLOV: What did you guys do to the Clinton Foundation, $880,000 --
HANNITY: The foundation was corrupt. Excuse me.
TARLOV: The $77,000 --
HANNITY: We're getting off base. I want to stop here for a second. If I went after the Obama kids, I probably would have groups of people wanted me fired.
LAHREN: Sean, if you go after Beyonce, you will have groups of people wanting you fired.
TARLOV: What's your problem with Beyonce?
LAHREN: What I'm saying is the loving left that has found these celebrities, they are so protective of certain celebrities but then others, they go for the jugular.
HANNITY: I think this was the point. I thought you guys on the left are supposed to be tolerant. I thought you were supposed to be inclusive.
TARLOV: I am super tolerant and inclusive. I said no children at all.
HANNITY: OK, but this is happening.
TARLOV: It is happening, absolutely.
HANNITY: And it wouldn't happen to the Obama kids.
TARLOV: It did.
HANNITY: One assistant got fired, one person.
TARLOV: What about Chelsea Clinton in the 90s, do you remember that? It was horrific how they treated her.
HANNITY: I don't remember that. I never talked about --
TARLOV: -- I don't remember much.
HANNITY: Here's my message to everybody, leave the children alone. Don, Jr., Eric, Ivanka --
TARLOV: They're grown. And they're making policy.
HANNITY: I said they're fair game. They can defend themselves. Leave the young kids alone. It's really despicable.
When we come back, we need your help, a very important "Question of the Day" as we continue.
HANNITY: Time for our "Question of the Day." So what did you think of the president's stance on extreme vetting? It is necessary. I know it will inconvenience some, but Americans need to be safe. Go to Facebook.com/SeanHannity, @SeanHannity on Twitter, let us know what you think.
Quick programming note, tune in tomorrow night, 10:00 eastern. A special "Hannity: Extreme Vetting, The Islamic Threat," you don't want to miss it.
That's all the time we have for tonight. Thanks for being with us. See you back here tomorrow night.
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