Should GOP use 'nuclear option' if Dems filibuster Gorsuch?

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," February 1, 2017. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Dana Perino along with Kimberly Guilfoyle, Juan Williams, Eric Bolling, and Greg Gutfeld. We're in the same color today. It's 5 o'clock in New York City. And this is "The Five."

This is a Fox News alert: President Trump has made an unannounced visit to Delaware's Airport Dover Air Force Base to honor the return of fallen U.S. Navy SEAL killed in Yemen on Saturday. This is a new tape of his arrival. And we will have more on this story later in the hour.

Today, Mr. Trump's Supreme Court nominee, Judge Neil Gorsuch, made his way to the Hill to begin the first of many meetings with lawmakers who will decide his fate in the months to come. Over at the White House, President Trump met with interest groups who will support his nominee, the intense confirmation fight already underway.


HOUSE MINORITY LEADER NANCY PELOSI, D-CALIF.: It is a very hostile appointment, if you breathe air, drink water, eat food, take medicine, in any other way, interact with the courts. This is a very bad decision. Well outside the main stream of American legal thought, not committed to Supreme Court precedence.

SEN. SHELDON WHITEHOUSE, D-R.I.: The point now is not so much that this guy is not qualified. The point right now is that we got to make sure we try to protect the court from becoming the kind of political delivery system that the five Republicans have made it.

SENATE MINORITY LEADER CHUCK SCHUMER, D-N.Y.: Those that say at the end of this process, there are only two possible results, that the senate will confirm this nominee or the Republicans will use the nuclear option to change the rules of the senate are dead wrong. That is a false choice. The answer should not be to change the rules of the senate, but to change the nominee to someone who can earn 60 votes.


PERINO: If Democrats make good on their threat to filibuster Judge Gorsuch, the president advised the senate majority leader to take the nuclear option.


PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: He is a very dignified man. I would like to see him go through the dignified process. I think he deserves that. If we end up with the same gridlock that they had in Washington for the last -- longer than eight years, in all fairness to President Obama, a lot longer, if we end up with that gridlock, I would say, if you can, Mitch, go nuclear. Because that would be an absolute shame if a man of this quality was caught up in the web. So I would say it is up to Mitch. But I would say go for it.


PERINO: And let's hear from that man himself, Judge Neil Gorsuch, addressed the nation after he was introduced by President Trump last night.


NEIL GORSUCH, SUPREME COURT NOMINEE: I pledge that if I am confirmed, I will do all my powers permit, to be a faithful servant of the Constitution and laws of this great country. The towering judges that have served on this particular seat of the Supreme Court, including Antonin Scalia and Robert Jackson, are much in my mind at this moment. Justice Scalia was a lion of the law. In our legal order, it is for congress and not the courts to write new laws. It is the rule of judges to apply, not alter, the work of the people's representatives. A judge who likes every outcome he reaches is very likely a bad judge.


PERINO: It is a historic moment last night. The first of many to come in the Trump administration, what did you make of it?

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: Young, 49 years old, on for 25 years, Neil Gorsuch nominee, I would like to talk a little bit, I think it is very interesting that he falls in line with Scalia in the New York Times, not a timeline but a degree in which the ideology of the court. If you put Neil Gorsuch in for Antonin Scalia seat, you won't really change the court very much at all. It almost lines up perfectly. So I would imagine Democrats are going to have that fight. When Justice Kennedy comes up, you may have a different fight, because Justice Kennedy is far more liberal than Scalia was. So there is where your fight happens. But on what Trump said, you can take it one step further, Senator Mitch can actually do it now preemptively. He can actually invoke and change the rule prior to the filibuster, where he wouldn't have to invoke the nuclear option. He can do that by calling -- convene a committee and with a simple majority for a one time, you can change the rule and get it to a simple majority vote. And therefore, you can get your Gorsuch vote. Now, you may want to do it again with the second nominee if you get one, but it can be done in advance.

PERINO: However it would behoove Senator Schumer, if he doesn't want to have the nuclear option used to deliver nine votes from the Senate Democrats to be able to vote for him.


PERINO: Kimberly, there are a couple of different ways this could happen.

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: There are. And I think ultimately, you know, the conclusion is foretold. I mean, he is going to be you know sworn in at the next United States Supreme Court justice. And he should be. He is a man of immeasurable talent, and character, and integrity. He is a great jurist. He is well regarded by both sides. Any objection to him would just purely be political, not on anything that he has written just because they want to have some sort of sour grapes situation, perhaps over Merrick Garland. But those are vastly different situations, in which they presented themselves, one at the end of a term of a president who has been in for eight years and this you know right away in the beginning. And again, if you look at the trade so to speak, Justice Scalia, like for like, a traditionalist mirroring a traditionalist, one that Antonin Scalia well regarded and considered someone to be of excellent quality and character to be a U.S. Supreme Court justice. So I think it's an excellent pick. You haven't heard anybody today say anything about his skill set or capability or educational qualification.

BOLLING: Oh yeah, Pelosi.


GUILFOYLE: Again, you haven't heart anybody, Karaoke Pelosi does not count.

PERINO: Our own Judge Napolitano who is here with you all yesterday, he spoke about this last night as well.


ANDREW NAPOLITANO, FOX NEWS JUDICIARY ANALYST: He is the probably most worthy jurist to fill the shoes for Antonin Scalia for a couple of reasons. One is he is a healthy skepticism about the ability of government to regulate the economy and to regulate our personal lives. I think you take a traditional conservative view and add in a healthy Scalia-like dose of skepticism about the government, and you equal Neil Gorsuch.


PERINO: Or they could have been talking about you.

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Yeah, I thought that, too. I love how everyone on both sides, not the Judge, of course -- they know how strongly they feel about somebody that they never heard of about two weeks ago. But I do know one person that did know him, Andy Leavey. Andy Leavey who works here at Fox News, actually launched a satirical newspaper with Gorsuch back in Columbia in the late 80s. And he has got to be pretty sad to be Andy Leavey, because you got to think how woefully underachieved you are in your life, that he is going to be Supreme Court justice. And you are the red-eye ombudsman, and have been the red-eye ombudsman for almost 10 years. By the way, it is an influential position, I might add. But it is no Supreme Court Justice.

PERINO: We love our Andy Leavey.


GUTFELD: I think Gorsuch a cat guy like Andy. What is it like to -- it is kind of weird if you went to college with the Supreme Court justice, like you know he was a partier. Did you do crazy things together? I don't know. I would be curious to find out, Andy.


GUTFELD: He is going to be on Tucker tonight.


GUTFELD: There is a little plug.

PERINO: There you go, benefits for having those connections. I worked with him at the department of justice. But I don't think he would remember me, because he, Juan, didn't have to work that hard to get confirmed to the 10th circuit because it was done unanimously.

JUAN WILLIAMS, CO-HOST: Yeah. So it wasn't a big effort.


PERINO: It was effort. It was a package.

WILLIAMS: Yeah. I think back to college days, I think it was Ginsburg who got knocked out because he was smoking dope.


WILLIAMS: But now, I don't think that is going to knock out Gorsuch.


WILLIAMS: You can't tell.

GUTFELD: You can't tell.

WILLIAMS: You can't tell. Usually, it is sex that gets people in trouble.

PERINO: All right.

GUTFELD: Tell me about it, Juan.

WILLIAMS: But I would say this, I just think -- I think there is a big fight coming. And I don't think there is any way to stop it. And yes, if you define qualifications in terms of Judge Gorsuch's education and clerkships with Byron White and Justice Kennedy, oh, no problem. And then, you heard everybody say well, it is basically one for one, Gorsuch versus Scalia. It doesn't change the balance. Wait a second, what about this man, Merrick Garland?


WILLIAMS: So imminently qualified, the top in the D.C. circuit, the second highest court in the country, everybody, Republicans said he was imminently qualified, expected that he would be.

GUTFELD: But the Dems would have done the same thing.


WILLIAMS: You are playing tit for tat.

GUTFELD: Of course.


PERINO: . about the president is leaving in nine months.

WILLIAMS: No, there is not because remember Kennedy was confirmed in the last year of Reagan.

PERINO: I don't remember that.

GUTFELD: The lesson is only the Democrats get their way and the Republicans have to be upset. Because that's the way it has always been. Now, the charges have been reversed in 2017. And the Republicans, they are acting very normal, this is what you do.

PERINO: Well, interestingly, I think they made a good strategic choice in having former Senator Kelly Ayotte of New Hampshire because she has good relationships with all the senators, she was there six years. She lost her race in November. And now, she'll be, Eric, his guide as he goes through the confirmation process.

BOLLING: I love watching the Democrats squirm, and the best squirm is when they say oh, we need 60 votes, don't dare use the nuclear option. The only reason the nuclear option is on the table is because of Harry Reid.


BOLLING: They call it the Reid option.


PERINO: Just like the difference between ISIS and ISIL.


BOLLING: On the politics, why wouldn't the Dems save fire power for the second one, which will clear.


PERINO: They did do that with Chief Justice Roberts, because do you remember what that was about? Ruth Bader Ginsburg decided to resign, Chief Justice Roberts was announced. And that confirmation was tough. They looked at everything he had ever written, going back to letters that was in the counsel's office for Reagan. Then, Labor Day weekend in 2005, do remember what happened?



PERINO: Chief Justice Rehnquist died.


PERINO: And all of a sudden, the Democrats said OK, he is fine, confirm him.

WILLIAMS: Right. And don't forget, you know, you talk about Democrats, Republicans, tit for tat, don't forget McCain, Cruz, if Hillary Clinton was elected, maybe we wouldn't ever, ever approve any future Democratic nominee for the Supreme Court and stick with four and four on each party, because it has become so partisan. Well, now, you got the situation where you have people like Michael Moore saying Democrats, if you don't fight this, you are going to get primary from the left. I think Republicans knows this kind of threat. I think you hear Dan Pfeiffer, right, Dan Pfeiffer saying don't blink, Democrats.

PERINO: But you also have somebody like in the Obama administration official from the justice department writing an op-ed in the New York Times today saying, if you care about preventing an overreach from the executive branch, then Gorsuch is your guy. If you are worried as Donald Trump as president, Gorsuch will be a good choice for you because he will be tough like Scalia.

WILLIAMS: But that is a matter of negotiation. So what we have now is everybody is trying to define, what is a main stream judge, right? And for Pelosi, for Schumer, and for I think people like Elizabeth Warren, they say what about contraception, a hobby lobbyist, and they say nobody knows this guy. People know him from hobby lobby. And they know that he sided with the big business and the church over the individual rights of women.


BOLLING: Be honest, Juan. Is there someone on that list that Democrats would confirm?

WILLIAMS: Yeah. Sure. Not because it came from heritage and federalist society. So instead of having the far right determine what's the list, why don't you go and say let's have a truly main stream.


WILLIAMS: So this is like oh, in other words, you take whatever I give you or we are not having a conversation?

BOLLING: Pretty much, that is why elections have consequences.


PERINO: Don't you think, Juan, if President Trump, you know what, I would go ahead and keep Merrick Garland as a nominee, I think the Democrats would have opposed him.


PERINO: Just because.

GUILFOYLE: Just because.


GUTFELD: You know what is great about this whole thing, Trump is digital media genius. He is throwing so much stuff at us right now, we haven't talked about immigration today. That is over.

PERINO: We are going to get to that.

GUTFELD: Well, I mean, comparatively. Well, no.


GUTFELD: Anyway, the left is reeling because there are too many things. I liken it to the tennis ball machines.


GUTFELD: And this one is going crazy. The left and the media.

PERINO: Can't stop it.


GUTFELD: Trump is going to get two-thirds of his stuff done in six months by June.

GUILFOYLE: By the way, the Democrats just listened to Merrick Garland who says Gorsuch is very qualified and should be given and is entitled to a fair hearing.

PERINO: We have to hold a hearing tomorrow. All right, we got to go. Much more to come on the Supreme Court confirmation battle. Plus, the Trump administration puts Iran on notice after recent act of aggression, a stern warning from our national security advisor coming up.


BOLLING: Back now with more of President Trump's selection of Neil Gorsuch for the Supreme Court, Republicans very, very happy with the president's pick.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: President Trump announced an outstanding nominee for the Supreme Court. I am confident his impressive background and long record of service will prepare him well for the task at hand.

TED CRUZ, TEXAS SENATOR: Judge Gorsuch is a home run. President Trump promised the American people that if was elected, he would nominate a principal constitutionalist to replace Justice Scalia. And tonight, President Trump kept his word.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Neil Gorsuch is one of the most qualified people to ever been picked to serve on the Supreme Court. He is a man of the law.


BOLLING: So do you think that President Trump's pick of Neil Gorsuch is at least putting to rest some of the people, even on the right, of how conservative Donald Trump is.

PERINO: Well, I think -- well, I think that people who saw the list that Donald Trump has put out in the fall saying, if I become president, it is from this list I would pick. I think that gave a lot of Republicans and conservatives from all different walks of life a lot of comfort. And then the president was true to his word. And I thought at last night's event, and he had so many people in the room who might have been skeptical and maybe didn't campaign with him on the trail. You saw some senators there, you know, winning creates a moment of unity. And certainly, this was one of them.

I do think the Democrats that are so concerned about this nominee, they are looking at one part in particular. And that is this idea he is skeptical that the regulatory and executive branch has so much power over the people without going through congress. And the concern about that I think for Democrats is that they haven't been able to get the big laws passed that they wanted. And then, you have something like clean power plan, or the waters of the United States, it was going through EPA, not through congress. But as a rulemaking, and somebody like Neil Gorsuch would have turned around and said you cannot do that. The constitution does not allow that. You have to go through congress, if you want to do it. That bothers Democrats. They should realize that if they want to pass this kind of thing, it has to go through the proper process.



BOLLING: Want to comment on that one, too?

GUILFOYLE: Yeah. I just think that I really like his approach and the way he speaks. He is very clear and very direct. I like his approach saying it is not for the judges to write new laws, that is the legislative the legislative body, and for congress. I find that he has very clear and clean understanding of the separation of powers and tremendous respect for it. So he is not going to politicize from the bench and should appeal to both sides.

BOLLING: Juan, can I just ask you about this list we mentioned ago? We have a list of senators up for reelection, who are at states that Donald Trump not only won, but won heavily, like Senator Joe Donnelly in Indiana, 19-point margin, Missouri Claire McCaskill, 19-point margin, Jon Tester 21- point margin. I think Joe Manchin is also in here or at least open to this nomination at this point. So how do they push back, how did they filibuster, how do they say no to someone when the constituents clearly said they are on Trump's bandwagon?

WILLIAMS: Well, remember, the Republicans paid no price during obstructionist during the Obama years. In fact, Senator McConnell who bragged about being an obstructionist I think had a great deal.


WILLIAMS: Well, yeah, but I mean, it doesn't matter.


WILLIAMS: And remember, he had to get all of those Republican who were in blue states reelected in order to maintain his position as majority leader.

BOLLING: Mitch McConnell wasn't really in danger.

PERINO: No, but he was responsible for keeping majority in the senate and he did that.


WILLIAMS: I just wanted to speak to this. What is the Democratic objection to Judge Gorsuch? And Dana picked up on this in terms of the environmental regulation. And, Dana, I think the law, the EPA law gives some authority to the agency in terms of maintaining clean air in the United States. And I think there are people that say they have exceeded their reach in terms of applying that. But it is more than that. I think there are people who are concerned about contraception going back to hobby lobby.


PERINO: Contraception wasn't taken away.



PERINO: That was the case about religious liberty.

WILLIAMS: Yes. But if your employer says we have a religious objection, they are allowed to say that. And therefore, that trumps your right.


PERINO: It does not trump your right.


GUTFELD: Do companies want to take away the right to take a pill? It is happening all over again. It has never happened, Juan.

WILLIAMS: All right. OK. All right. I just want to finish this list because I think there is bat on the table.

GUILFOYLE: How ironic.

WILLIAMS: Transgender issues, the North Carolina issue, environmental, we talked about. And maybe, the biggest one for the Democrats is unions because there is a case up there right now, about whether or not these have to be paid by public service employees to unions.


GUTFELD: I'm genuinely concerned for Democrats. They are so out of shape over the past eight years. They should be picking their fights wisely after eight years of not working out, of not doing a damn thing, they're trying to run a marathon, trying to keep up with what Trump is doing, they are going to have a cardiac arrest, if they don't slow down. I'm worried for these older Democrats.


GUTFELD: They don't know what they're doing. They haven't done anything for eight years.

GUILFOYLE: Should we send Dr. Siegel?

GUTFELD: I think we should.


PERINO: We are able to have a debate once I read more about it. But I think one of the concerns in terms if you are a pro-choice person, they will try to take his rulings on assisted suicides and try to lead that back to women preventing from getting contraception.


WILLIAMS: Pelosi said she thinks he is maybe willing to ignore precedence and go and try to undo that.


GUILFOYLE: And what is she, the great legal scholar, basing that erroneous assessment?


BOLLING: That issue comes up with the next judge that gets replaced.

PERINO: And technology -- technology is moving at a rate that ethical question will become before the court sooner than later. It is something we should all talk about, maybe for an hour one day.


PERINO: Kidding.

BOLLING: Ahead, President Obama thought he could make Iran our friend that was Obama, he failed as expected. The moles are continuing to violate our nuclear deal. The Trump administration put them on notice today. And that's next on The Five.


GUILFOYLE: Iran test fired a ballistic missile on Sunday in defiance of a U.S. Security Council resolution. The first provocation by the country since President Trump took office. It also backs an attack on a Saudi Arabia vessel off the coast of Yemen on Monday. Today, national security advisor, Mike Flynn, sent Iran a stern warning, it better not happened again. There is a new administration in town.


MIKE FLYNN, U.S. NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR: The Obama administration failed to respond adequately to Iran's malign actions including weapons transfers, support for terrorism, and other violations of international norms. The Trump administration condemns such actions by Iran that undermines security, prosperity, and stability throughout and beyond the Middle East, which places American lives at risk.

President Trump has severely criticized the various agreements between Iran, the Obama administration, as well as United Nations, as being weak and ineffective. Instead of being thankful to the United States in these agreements, Iran is now feeling emboldened. As of today, we are officially putting Iran on notice.


GUILFOYLE: I like this. It was stern, and it was direct. And I thought he handled himself very well. I thought this was impressive. What do you think, Dana?

PERINO: Well, I do think, as we've talked about how transition periods are ones where there's instability and your enemies will try to test you. And I think the two things today. It showed immediate forcefulness on behalf of President Trump, and it also helped shore up our allies.

Because the Saudis, in particular, have been very frustrated with the American foreign policy posture, especially when it came to Iran, because they felt like they were cut out of the conversation and that they were put at risk. And I think this was an attempt to reset that relationship with the Saudis.

GUILFOYLE: OK. All right, Eric, so strong message being sent, and now what shall follow?

BOLLING: Any questions? I mean, they were pretty stern. "You're on notice, Iran."

I mean, look, President Obama, the peacenik that he was, never saw the evil underbelly of the Iranian regime. They never -- they never wanted to be -- have nukes for peaceful reasons. I mean, they're sitting on top of something like four trillion barrels of oil. If they really wanted cheap energy, they would do it that route. This was obviously for -- for a nuclear weapon.

Here's the problem, though. We all knew it. Even if you agreed with President Obama, turning over that 150 billion dollars immediately was the biggest mistake we've never made in our lives.


BOLLING: We could have just, over a course of time, you know, you check the box. "We're not going to test a missile." "Fine, we'll send you a few more bucks." You don't, you know, enhance your centrifuges, we'll send you more money. But play it out over the course of time instead of sending all the money at once. It was insane. We lost that bargaining chip. And I love the idea of slapping new sanctions on Iran.

GUILFOYLE: There's always that possibility. Yes, Juan, so what did you think of the messaging today?

WILLIAMS: Well, I mean, I think lots of people are sort of alarmed by it, because they think, "Does this mean we're willing to go to war?" Because he -- they refuse to talk about military options. They say there's a range of options, but they haven't laid it out. They also said -- and this is contradictory to something I heard a moment ago -- that there was no violation of the Iran nuclear deal.

In fact, what they violated, they said, was a U.N. resolution, in addition to which they fear that what Iran was really up to was trying to attack an American ship. And if that's the case, then you boys are playing with fire. Because I mean, then you give America no choice but to respond in a militaristic way.

But if we're just talking about something that's going on between the Saudis and the Iranians, even as Dana said, we like the Saudis, we want to make sure that the Saudis feel that we are in their -- on their side in this game. You can't get into the Middle East without understanding that it's a tender box. And I don't think the American public wants to go to war.

BOLLING: Who said war? They said sanctions.

GUILFOYLE: It wasn't war. It wasn't a statement of war.

BOLLING: They recommended sanctions.

WILLIAMS: Yes, what do you -- right now we have a deal that has prevented them from getting nuclear weapons and threatening Israel. And then you're seeing, "Oh, no, we're going to impose more sanctions on top of that deal." At some point, especially Russians -- the Russians are their pals.

BOLLING: They're our friends now, too.

WILLIAMS: Yes, right.

GUILFOYLE: But I wouldn't make the war -- stay off of the trampoline. Greg.

GUTFELD: Juan said at the beginning, he said people are alarmed because the United States may be willing to go to war. That's the point! The point is the world should sense that America is willing to go to war. Because if you sense that they're willing to go to war, then you won't go to war. That's the whole point. You don't mess with somebody who's going to do something.

Again, you sense that right now, 2017, you are dealing with adults. You have a sneaking -- sneaking feeling that when Flynn draws a red line or puts you on notice, the next thing you hear is your own eulogy.


GUTFELD: And I call it...

GUILFOYLE: Your ear drum bursting and then death.

GUTFELD: I call it old-school hair theory. When people have old-school hair, you don't mess with them. He's from another era. There's no safe spaces...

BOLLING: Mullets?

GUILFOYLE: I thought his hair looked -- I thought his hair looked fantastic.

GUTFELD: No, that's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. It's old- school hair.

GUILFOYLE: I love it.

GUTFELD: People with old-school hair, they don't mess around. And you don't mess with them.

GUILFOYLE: I would like you far better if you had old-school hair.

GUTFELD: I'm getting there.

GUILFOYLE: I know. I can see it.


GUILFOYLE: It's coming. All righty then.

GUTFELD: You know what? Stop dressing like me, Dana.



Ahead, Whoopi Goldberg just threw up on "The View" over President Trump. Now you're going to want to stay tuned for this one, because Greg has got words for her next.


GUTFELD: Yesterday on "The View," otherwise known as Hell's DMV, Whoopi Goldberg asked how much different are the values of Trump administration from the Taliban?


WHOOPI GOLDBERG, "THE VIEW": We have a leader who has repeatedly demeaned women, wants to defund organizations that benefit women, calling on the media to shut up, specifically wants to give preferential treatment based on religion. Are these values really much different than the Taliban's?

If you're saying to the media, "Shut up," that's what they do. Maybe they didn't start out chopping people's heads off. Maybe they started out differently.

It's tricky, because we're saying to people, "Here are our American values." And then we're saying at the same token, stuff that sounds exactly like the stuff we're fighting.


GUTFELD: Wow. Talk about groundbreaking, to actually hear a celebrity say something mean about the Taliban. How dare they compare them to Trump? The Taliban should sue. Guess they ran out of Hitler analogies.

So as they bash the president, I'm reminded how entertainers rarely express any rage over any strand of misogynist Islamism. If they did, we might take their rage toward Trump seriously.

A reminder: The Taliban throw acid in girls' faces for going to school. Yes, I guess that's like defunding Planned Parenthood. Radical Islam is all for killing gays and I guess that's the same as making some rude jokes? Note: Trump's past rudeness is a product of a rude culture, one fed and fattened by a coarse entertainment industry, Whoopi.

Anyway, the immigration pause is meant to separate homicidal maniacs from innocent Muslims. Equating the butchers with those bent on stopping them is pure mindless relativism, i.e. "The View's" bread and butter.

But perhaps the greatest result from Trump's executive order: Liberal website Vox suggests canceling the Oscars. Canceling the Oscars as a protest. If Trump's executive order succeeds in killing three hours of sanctimonious bed-wetting grandstanding then let's call it right now. Clear out space on Mount Rushmore, because Donald Trump may be the greatest president we've ever had.

GUILFOYLE: It's just been a couple of weeks.

GUTFELD: Yes. Dana, what do you make of Whoopi's analysis of, like, misogynist activity going around the world?

PERINO: Well, I do -- I'm sure she was speaking in hyperbole. OK? However, the danger of that is to take away from what the Taliban actually does.


PERINO: You know, throwing acid in girls' faces, preventing women from working, denying them an education. When in fact, what President Trump has been talking about and campaigning on is more economic opportunity for all. And in fact, his daughter, Ivanka Trump, her whole campaign, her whole policy platform is going to be about empowering women.

So the comparison is so ridiculous, it's ludicrous. And it undercuts what Americans should be trying to do to help the girls of Afghanistan. Because we now actually know that the Taliban is in larger number in Afghanistan than eight years ago.

GUTFELD: They hate -- they would execute everybody on "The View," and they would start with Whoopi first, because she's the most liberal or whatever. They would hate her more than anybody.

What gets me, K.G.: the audience didn't even say anything.

GUILFOYLE: You know, it was pretty outrageous. I mean, when I think about all the atrocities and crimes against women and children that have been created and occurred at the behest of the Taliban, people being stoned to death, women buried up with just their head exposed for the slightest, slightest kind of behavior that they deem to be...

PERINO: Married off as children.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, married off as children. Noses cut off of their faces, acid thrown on them. I mean, horrific conduct that they should be protesting. Why don't they protest about that conduct and what happens to women and children over there?

PERINO: Yes, join us.

GUTFELD: It's a good point. It's just easier to go after Trump.

BOLLING: It's -- of the most severe case of Trump Derangement Syndrome I've seen.


BOLLING: And clearly, there's a lot of it going around in Hollywood. But, look, Joy Behar does the same thing. I've spent time on that show, and they really didn't like Trump from the very get-go. And nor did the audience. So it's kind of a rough thing when you're going back and forth with them, you're trying to say, "This is why I think it would be good." And the audience is like, "Err." And then they say this is why he is terrible. "Ahh, it's great."

But I do think...

GUTFELD: I feel bad for Jedediah.

BOLLING: Poor Jed, still there going, "How do I handle this?" Kind of like -- I do think that canceling the Oscars would be bad for us, though. There's so much material on that day.

PERINO: I was going to say, they probably should cancel it to spare Hollywood more embarrassment.

GUILFOYLE: Bad ratings. Bad ratings.

GUTFELD: Or cancel half of it, Juan.

WILLIAMS: Cancel half of it?

GUTFELD: Cancel half of the Oscars.

WILLIAMS: I see that on -- you know, on the internet, boy, the right wing has all sorts of hashtags about, you know, cancel it, end it, Hollywood's terrible, all the rest. I guess people having a lot of fun with it.

I think you can have fun with what Whoopi Goldberg said. But I just want to say, what Whoopi said has some merit to it. It was a powerful analogy. It's got all...

GUTFELD: It's wrong.

WILLIAMS: Nothing wrong about Trump telling...

GUTFELD: Compared to the Taliban?

WILLIAMS: Didn't Steve Bannon say "shut up" to the media?

GUILFOYLE: He said shut up and listen.

WILLIAMS: I forgot. Oh, and they said we should pick a religious preference in terms of immigrants.


WILLIAMS: Oh, I forgot about that. Yes, yes, yes. Oh, yes he did.

And what about demeaning remarks about women?

GUTFELD: You're falling into a trap. You're actually comparing that to what the Taliban does.

WILLIAMS: No, what I'm doing, what I'm doing is saying I think Whoopi Goldberg wanted us to think about the kind of attitude, the bullying that we've seen.

GUILFOYLE: And when we think about it...

GUTFELD: Just like the Taliban. Just like the Taliban. I'm thinking about how stupid the analogy is.

WILLIAMS: You can argue that. Because it's clear, clear hyperbole as Dana was saying. But did it make us think and did it make us...


WILLIAMS: Oh, yes, that's why we're doing this segment.

GUTFELD: No, I'm pointing out that only stupid people engage in relativistic thinking.

GUILFOYLE: Well, it's so -- it's so actually disrespectful and ignorant.

GUTFELD: Even though Whoopi is not stupid, she made a stupid analogy.

I forgive you, Whoopi. For now;.

All right. President Trump invited African-American leaders to the White House today, where he once again addressed the blood bath in Chicago. More on that, next.


WILLIAMS: Welcome to February 1. It's the start of Black History Month. President Obama -- President Trump, I should say...


WILLIAMS: President Trump held a meeting with black community leaders to discuss a number of issues plaguing America's inner cities.


DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: We're going to need better schools, and we need them soon. We need more jobs. We need better wages, a lot better wages. We need safer communities. And we're going to do that with law enforcement. We're going to make it safe.


WILLIAMS: President Trump went on to address the crime crisis in Chicago with a pastor from Cleveland, who says things are so bad in Chicago gang leaders there are asking for help.


REV. DARRELL SCOTT, PASTOR OF NEW SPIRIT REVIVAL CENTER: I was recently contacted by some of the top gang thugs in Chicago for a sit-down. They reached out to me, because they associated me with you. They respect you; they believe in what you're doing. And they want to have a sit-down about lowering that body count.

TRUMP: Great idea. Chicago is totally out of control.

SCOTT: Absolutely.

TRUMP: What you're doing is the right thing. And we're going to solve the problem for them, because we're going to have to do something about Chicago. Because what's happening in Chicago should not be happening in this country.

SCOTT: They want to work with this administration. They believe in this administration. They didn't believe in the prior administration. They told me this out of their hearts.


WILLIAMS: So what struck me there were two things: one is he says, people associate -- and this is Pastor Darrell Scott of Cleveland -- said they associate him with Donald Trump, so they reached out to him. Now, there's some controversy about whether he's actually talking to people who are involved with the gangs or not.

But that's an amazing statement, if true, that in fact, people are reaching out to him because they trust the Trump administration and, according to Pastor Scott, did not trust the Obama administration. What do you think of this, Gregory?

GUTFELD: You go to me! You know I don't believe it.

WILLIAMS: You don't believe it.

GUTFELD: It's not Trump's fault whether this is true or not. Gang leaders asking for help from the Trump administration sounds like an Onion headline. So I am going to back away from this story until there is some kind of verification from another source, thank you very much.

WILLIAMS: Kimberly.

GUILFOYLE: Well, I mean, I know Pastor Scott very well and his wife. And they're wonderful people. And they do a lot for the community. I hold them to be of high character and integrity. If he said that he met with people and discussed it, then I believe that he did.

Now, having worked in gang-infested areas in Los Angeles and San Francisco and prosecuting those cases, yes, these people are looking for an economic solution. And if they're willing to at least listen and have a conversation depending with leaders, community, or people in the clergy to come and sit together to reduce, yes, body counts and come up with solutions for those neighborhoods to make it safe, I'm all for that. I'm open.

WILLIAMS: What do you think, social programs? Send in the National Guard?

BOLLING: I'm hopeful. I would be hopeful that -- that the pastor is being forthcoming and actually did have a meeting with gang members. I agree with Greg, I'm skeptical that they actually did say, "Hey, I'm looking for another alternative." Maybe they are. Maybe they're just sick of the carnage on the streets.

GUILFOYLE: That does happen.

BOLLING: I hope so.

GUILFOYLE: I've experienced it happening.

GUTFELD: So you think Trump should meet with gang leaders?

GUILFOYLE: That's not what I said. I said meet with members of the clergy or the community.

GUTFELD: Well, they said -- they didn't say that. They said that they wanted to meet with them.

WILLIAMS: Dana, can we have a serious conversation for a second?


WILLIAMS: What do you think are real solutions that could be employed?

PERINO: I think we sort of missed another part that happened today. I saw a report, CBS local out of Chicago today said that Rahm Emanuel at an event said, "OK, we'll take your help." And he said to the Trump administration, "If you can send more FBI, DEA and ATF agents, we'll take the help." That's 180 degrees difference than what he said last week, which was, "We've got this." So now he's saying -- then he went to, "Maybe we need the help." And now he's saying, "Please send it." I think that actually happened today.

WILLIAMS: You know, I just hope it's not a one off. I hope it's not like Cinco de Mayo and the tacos thing. I hope that he understands, this is more than Black History Month. This is a serious problem, and I appreciate the fact that he's paying attention.

"One More Thing," up next.


PERINO: It's time now for "One More Thing." I'm going to go first.

So we've been keeping you updated on the health of the 41s, the George H.W. Bush and Barbara Bush. They are home, and now they're getting ready to go to Super Bowl XLI, where it was announced today that they will make it to flip the coin to kick it off.

And apparently, Barbara Bush told her doctors, "You need to get us out of here and tuned up. We've got to host the Super Bowl." So they will be there and something to look forward to.

And because I'm going to be gone a couple days, I'm not going to be here, I wanted to provide you Dana's Mascot Theory between the Patriots and the Falcons. So obviously, if you were outside and you are a patriot and you had the musket, you could probably shoot a falcon and kill it. Right? But here, guess what, Greg?


PERINO: Gun-free zone at the stadium.

GUTFELD: Didn't see that coming.

PERINO: No guns allowed, no muskets. So I'm going to predict...

GUILFOYLE: No muskets.

PERINO: ... the Falcons are going to fly away with it.

GUTFELD: Good point.

BOLLING: I agree with you.

GUTFELD: And nice artistry.

WILLIAMS: How is your record? Your record pretty good?

PERINO: My record is excellent. It's ridiculous.

All right, Greg, you're next.

GUTFELD: All right. It is time for something new.


GUTFELD: Greg's Heroic Actors, actors, actors, actors.


GUTFELD: You know what? People get Oscars for playing things like Abe Lincoln or famous scientists or really powerful athletes. It's so easy.


GUTFELD: But what about the actor who plays irritable bowel syndrome?


GUTFELD: I'm talking about Ilana Becker, who you see every day playing, yes, diarrhea. Every day, she plays stomach disorders. And that, I'm telling you, when they talk about actors who take a risk, that is taking a risk, because you've got to pour yourself into it. and you have to be the disorder. And a lot of people have this disorder and she does a great job. That's her, not as irritable bowel syndrome. My hat's off to you, Ilana Becker.

GUILFOYLE: And you personally relate to it.

PERINO: I know Eric is next. Eric, next.

GUILFOYLE: How did that get approved? How did that get approved?

BOLLING: So leading up to this election, you know, I was talking about some people who are conservative who weren't sure about Donald Trump. Take a look at this video last night. Last night, I was watching this with both pride and promise. Trump's most important legacy, you guys, is right there. You're watching it. He's going to maintain a conservative court for decades to come, and I am just wildly happy about that.

PERINO: All right. K.G.

GUILFOYLE: All right. This is a story that Dana touched on in the beginning of the show and you've probably seen today on FOX News that President Trump traveled to Dover Air Force Base for the arrival of the remains of the U.S. Navy SEAL, Chief Special Warfare Operator Ryan Owens, William Ryan Owens, 36 years old. And there he is right there.

And he was killed, as we mentioned on the show previously, during a raid on Sunday on al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula.

Also, you probably have heard, and maybe not, is that there was an incredible amount of information, a treasure trove of intel that they were able to recover, they said, similar to the amount in terms of its importance to the intelligence community that we got with Usama bin Laden at Abbottabad. So really wonderful to see the president there with Ivanka.

WILLIAMS: I think...

PERINO: Juan, we don't have enough time.

WILLIAMS: I'll catch up.

PERINO: We'll catch you next time. That's it for us. "Special Report" is next.

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