In denial? Democrats cast doubts on Trump's legitimacy

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," January 13, 2017. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. It's Friday the 13th. I'm Kimberly --


GUILFOYLE: I'm Kimberly Guilfoyle along with Juan Williams, Eric Bolling Eric Bolling, Dana Perino, and little weirdo, Greg Gutfeld. It's 5:00 in New York City and this is "The Five."

Well, it's a week away from president-elect Trump's inauguration and Democrats are desperately grasping at straws to delegitimize his resounding victory. The Clinton camp still in full blown denial of the facts, Mr. Trump won fair and square.


ROBBY MOOK, FORMER CLINTON CAMPAIGN MANAGER: The election is over and Donald Trump is going to be inaugurated as our next president. That's not the question here. I think the question is whether outside actors influenced the outcome of the election.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Every day, there are new developments -- new shoes dropping, so to speak, that call into question the legitimacy of his win. First it was with respect to Russian interference and now with respect to the FBI, we see that Jim Comey's actions are sufficiently questionable that the internal watchdog, the DOJ thinks that they merit an independent review. So, I think Donald Trump is just trying to cling to whatever legitimacy still is in effect here.


GUILFOYLE: Well, the president-elect had a lot to say about it this morning, tweeting, "What are Hillary Clinton's people complaining about with respect to the FBI? Based on the information they had she should never have been allowed to run -- guilty as hell. They were very nice to her. She lost because she campaigned in the wrong states -- no enthusiasm!"

Charles Krauthammer -- great name, right? -- has some thoughts on the DOJ's new probe of the FBI's handling of the Clinton investigation. There's another attempt by Democrats to discredit the president-elect.


CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER, CONTRIBUTOR, FOX NEWS: It looks as if that Democrats, on their way out the door, are trying to leave behind as many landmines as they can to at least cast doubts on the legitimacy of the Trump victory. I'm not sure this is the best way to assure a good transition. One where you transferred not just the authority of office but the legitimacy, but that seems to be what the Democrats wanted to do as they get out of power.


GUILFOYLE: And we've got one more for you -- John Lewis saying that President Trump is not a legitimate president. Take a listen.


REP. JOHN LEWIS (D), GEORGIA 5TH DISTRICT: I don't see the president-elect as a legitimate president.

CHUCK TODD, MEET THE PRESS HOST, NBC: You do not consider him a legitimate president. Why is that?

LEWIS: I think the Russians participated in helping this man get elected and to help destroy the candidacy of Hillary Clinton.


GUILFOYLE: Interesting. Blame games. So, what do you make of these comments?

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: Well, I think the Trump camp was smart early on to recognize what was happening here when the Democrats never settled upon a real reason why she lost. Even though she conceded right away, everything obviously was in order.

Even with all the suggestions of Russian interference in terms of hacking into or getting into John Podesta's e-mails and then the subsequent release of them, there's no suggestion that there was interference in the actual vote tally. No one has actually said that.

And so I do think that you have a concerted effort on behalf of Democrats to try to find something that would explain to them why they lost. At the same time, I think it was quite an extraordinary step for Representative Lewis to say that. That's an interview with Chuck Todd of "Meet The Press" that will air on Sunday in full.

But this is the week before the inauguration and to say if the shoe were on the other foot, I think that the Democrats and the media would be going crazy. I think this is actually quite extraordinary and unfortunate.

GUILFOYLE: Yes. Can you only imagine, the flip side of it, Eric, the juxtaposition if you had, in fact role reversals, Hillary Clinton winning the presidency and if anybody even suggested or hinted at that, forget it.

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: Yes, I am glad, and I want to watch that interview. I'm glad Chuck Todd had that surprised shocked look on his face, said you don't think it was a legitimate win by president-elect Trump?


BOLLING: So Fallon and Clinton, Inc. are blaming everything -- remember it was Russians, then it was Breitbart, then it was James Comey, then it was the voting booth saying it was the Russians again. And the reality is she was just a flawed candidate. She was a terrible candidate. Her only message was it's my turn and I'm with her.

All she had -- she spent $1.2 billion -- the final numbers are in -- $1.2 billion on this candidacy. All she had to do was win one of these five states, Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania, North Carolina and Michigan. She lost all five of those and throwing Wisconsin as well on top of it. Just one of those and every one of those where Barack Obama states except for North Carolina I believe.

PERINO: And he didn't win them by much.

BOLLING: Yes. And she just -- just be a good candidate. Hit the states you need to win first. He did.

GUILFOYLE: He suggested that as well, Eric. Like you're saying, he suggested it about her campaign or her candidacy that look, I went to all of those different counties. I didn't take any of it for granted so. And she even have this (INAUDIBLE), she spends all the money in the world, and it's basically indicative of the government and the United States right now, they throw a lot of money at everything, no results.

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: So the question is, who is the legitimate candidate. The only legitimate presidential candidate for a liberal Democrat is a liberal Democrat. They would have said the same thing. If you have President Rubio, they would have said he was anti-woman because he is pro-life.

If it was President Romney, they say he hates the poor because he's just rich, Mr. Evil-bags with magic underwear. You know, he's Mormon. hH's got to be evil.

President Cruz, they would just call like, you know, a right-wing vampire. They would demonize every single person. And it's true. You know, Trump is a different kind of candidate, but they would find a different way to demonize each person because they -- for eight years, the Democrats and the media have had their candidates.

Obama was their mirror. He reflected their dreams, their aspirations, and the ideal percentage of body fat. I mean, he could take off his shirt. So now, the shoe is on the other foot and it's a baby bootie because they're crying like babies.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my gosh. That's really interesting.


GUTFELD: Yes. No, that's you know, I was --

GUILFOYLE: Do you have any rejoinder to the baby bootie?

JUAN WILLIAMS, CO-HOST: Well, no. I mean, what can I say. It's so ironic. I just wonder what would have happened, Kimberly, if the shoe had been on the other foot.

GUTFELD: The bootie?

WILLIAMS: Let me quote Rush Limbaugh, "I hope he fails 2008." Oh, what about Tom DeLay? "It's going to be a Marxist, socialist agenda. From here on out, the country is in trouble." Oh, how about the chairman of the Virginia GOP Party? "Obama and Bin Laden both have friends who bombed the Pentagon." Oh, gee, I wonder who -- and would Republicans -- they hate him like that --

PERINO: No one said he was not a legitimate president.

WILLIAMS: What did you say?

PERINO: Those are your political opponents but none of them said that Barack Obama was not a legitimate president.

WILLIAMS: Oh, I think what they're saying is they do not want to acknowledge that the man legitimately won, and of course we could go into Mitch McConnell saying basically he's going to be a one term president and he is not -- this is, to me the same thing.

PERINO: He said in October of 2010.

WILLIAMS: Ler me just say, it's really up to Donald Trump to prove he is legitimate because you know what, I'm a pragmatic guy. Let me say it.

GUILFOYLE: I'm so sorry. He has to prove he's legitimate even though he won the election --

GUTFELD: He showed us his birth certificate.

GUILFOYLE: -- without any kind of --


WILLIAMS: -- show us the birth certificate.

ROLLING: Oh, wait a minute. Maybe he's Russian that's what it is.



WILLIAMS: But I will say, to me, when he does things like that press conference that just broke into madness this week, I don't think it helps people say, oh that's the real president. I don't think it helps when he doesn't release the tax returns. I don't think when he refuses to sell off his businesses. I think that's why his poll numbers are in the tank right now (ph).

GUTFELD: For what? It doesn't make sense. He hasn't done anything yet to upset these people. I mean if you look at the nominees --

GUILFOYLE: So it's called breathing.

GUTFELD: Yes, but like what Eric brought up yesterday, the nominees he has put out there are disagreeing with him. That should be reassuring to these people --

GUILFOYLE: All right.

GUTFELD: -- that it's actually, you know, it isn't a bunch of yes men. And he actually is probably going to move further to the center. And that might bother them because they might have to like them.

GUILFOYLE: And he tweeted and said, "Give their own opinions, not mine."

BOLLING: He met with union leaders today. He's been meeting with union leaders. He's meeting with Democrats. I mean maybe it is, maybe it's just scaring the liberals who, A, lost the election.

They see no future for liberalism or leftism in America. They're going, well, we have to delegitimize this somehow. Somehow we have to pull the legs out.

GUTFELD: What if you are just scared of falling in love? Have you ever been there? You don't want to be attracted to somebody. I think these liberals are going like maybe he is not so bad? Maybe -- what if he's like us a little bit. Oh my god. That's what scares them, Juan. You're scared that you might like him.

WILLIAMS: Oh, I don't, you know what, I don't dislike him.


WILLIAMS: I think a lot of the things he says --


WILLIAMS: -- and like the twitter stuff, I just -- I don't get it why he does it. It seems to me he's hurting himself. But let's come back to legitimacy question for a second because it is legitimate to say the Russians were involved.

For a long time, a lot of people on the Republican side said, oh, we don't know. Prove it. How do you know the Russians are involved? Now even Donald Trump says the Russians were involved.


WILLIAMS: Then people say, oh, what about the fact that he had -- I think, Kimberly, you said an overwhelming victory. Oh, but what about this fact that he lost the popular vote by 3 million.

GUILFOYLE: But those where in highly populous counts --

WILLIAMS: I see. And what about --

GUTFELD: And it doesn't matter.

WILLIAMS: It doesn't matter is exactly the fact. You're absolutely right.

GUILFOYLE: I know, but the problem is they want to change the rules when they don't get the outcome that they want.

WILLIAMS: Nobody can change the rules. The rules are the Electoral College.

GUILFOYLE: No, but you lied too -- you lied too because when you see Tom Lewis saying, "Oh, this is an illegitimate presidency."

WILLIAMS: I don't think anybody can say --

GUTFELD: But he said that also about GW, right? Didn't John Lewis say that about GW?

GUILFOYLE: I don't remember that.

GUTFELD: Can you look it up?

BOLLING: Look, you guys laughed. The liberals laughed. You laughed, and even here everywhere said that during -- the days leading up to the election, all these Podesta e-mails, you laughed that it was irrelevant, that everything that was being leaked in these e-mails didn't matter.


BOLLING: Then she loses. Now, the reason why she lost, and he is not a legitimate president.

WILLIAMS: No, no. Just very quickly, I mean, I think it drove -- I said this to you guys earlier, I think it drove down the perception that she's an honest, credible -- her trustworthy numbers --

BOLLING: It didn't have far to go. It was under --

GUILFOYLE: How low can you go?

WILLIAMS: It drove them down bad.

GUILFOYLE: Listen --

BOLLING: From 70 to what? Seventy --

WILLIAMS: I don't know what it was.

PERINO: But see, this is --

WILLIAMS: No, trustworthiness?


WILLIAMS: She wasn't at 70 percent.

GUILFOYLE: They were at 67 --

BOLLING: Untrustworthy. Untrustworthy.

PERINO: They were both.

GUILFOYLE: Yes they were.

PERINO: They were both.


PERIN: They were at 64 and 67 percent untrustworthy (INAUDIBLE). If John Lewis had said that about George W. Bush after the recount in some way, I do think it took Democrats them a while and understandably so, to get OK with the Supreme Court ruling on that -- on that recount. And then I was going to say something else.



GUTFELD: It was about popularity. You were going, Juan, and then you stopped. It was something about popularity.

GUILFOYLE: All right, now we're going to have to pay some bills and you're going to get back to us about the (INAUDIBLE).

PERINO: I'm going to consult my journal.


GUILFOYLE: Coming up, the president-elect appeared today at Trump Tower with "Family Feud" host Steve Harvey. What did they talk about? Survey says stay tuned.


BOLLING: President --


BOLLING: We're having a debate on how long it takes to fly from Houston to New York. We'll get to that in the break. President-elect Donald Trump appeared before cameras today for a brief moment at Trump Tower and answered this question, how he feels about some of his cabinet picks expressing differing oppositions from himself during the confirmation hearings. Listen.


DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT-ELECT: I want them to be themselves and I tell them be yourselves and say what you want to say. Don't worry about me. I'm going to do the right thing, whatever it is.

I may be right and they may be right, but I said, be yourselves. Let them do it. I could have said, do this, say that. I don't want that. I want them all to be themselves.


BOLLING: And if you're wondering why Steve Harvey was there, stick around for "One More Thing". We'll hit that in a minute. But meanwhile, the president-elect had a busy morning on twitter calling out the intel community again, writing, "It now turns out that the phony allegations against me were put together by my political opponents and a failed spy afraid of being sued. Totally made-up facts by sleazebag political operatives, both Democrats and Republicans. FAKE NEWS! Russia says nothing exists. Probably released by 'intelligence' even knowing there is no proof and never will be. My people will have a full report on hacking within 90 days." OK, KG.

GUILFOYLE: Taking it to them. I mean, that's what you -- I love the directness about it because he just would speaks directly to the people, you don't have to wait to set up a press conference. Is it completely different than things have been done in the past? It is.

And as long as you still hold those press conferences and do that, I have no problem with the future president being very transparent and communicating directly to the people and letting them know and feel like they are part of this process and they don't have to get it filtered heard from anyone else.

Those are his words, those are his thoughts, his sentiments, and then you can decide how you feel about it.

BOLLING: So Greg, we discussed whether or not the intelligence community has been politicized or is politicized. I think he's calling them out and saying that it has been and they may be.

GUTELD: I don't know. I mean I thought that this was opposition research, it wasn't intel. It wasn't created by us so it was probably floating around somewhere. But I don't think it's right for him to say that. However, I do, you know -- the process is interesting.

It's as though he's created his own 24-hour cable channel called the Donald Trump channel and it's like the Donald Factor 24/7. He can get on there and say whatever he wants and we report it immediately because it's so easy to fill up a block with his tweets. It's like our producers go, "Hey, it's Friday, let's do something on tweets." Yes, we'll get the (INAUDIBLE) quicker.

BOLLING: You know what though, this morning, I did. I tweeted right after. He had like seven or eight in a row, three to five minutes apart, and they're pretty wide ranging but --

GUTFELD: And it's news. But it becomes news.

BOLLING: I like it though. I like the fact that the most -- the leader of the free world -- future leader of the free world is telling everyone what's going on, what he's thinking versus wondering what's going on in D.C.

PERINO: Well, and we'll see if it works for him. I mean, the one thing I think is that this past week we have spent not talking about the first 100 days. We've been talking about the last 100 days and Russia and I actually felt like he and the DNI, Clapper, had put this to bed the other night. Now, it comes back up again.

And I also would say that putting intelligence in quotes in his tweets, suggesting that they're not intelligent is probably not a good way to start for next week. It's unnecessary.


WILLIAMS: Well, I mean I'm struck by the idea that -- I like transparency but I don't like the idea that it looks like his (INAUDIBLE) is just out of control. It's just like, you know, any thought he has in his mind just goes, wow, wow, wow, and it echoes. And of course then the media picks it up as Greg was saying. But he also not only attacks our intelligence community, he then gives credibility to Russia.

He says, you know, Russia says probably they didn't do it. I'm like, what? So in other words, he believes Russia. I don't understand. And then, why is he going after Hillary Clinton. I think he agreed she lost. It's over. But he is still kicking her. I mean, you know, it's like --

GUILFOYLE: So, but your side doesn't. They're still trying to delegitimize the victory --

WILLIAM: I don't think so.

GUILFOYLE: -- and John Lewis is saying he's not a legitimate president and they're saying that --

WILLIAM: Well, I think the real question about the election --

GUILFOYLE: --that the election was influenced by the Russians --

WILLIAMS: Yes, it was.

GUILFOYLE: -- that she would have won, which is all false narrative.

BOLLING: Kimberly is right. That was in response to Fallon and Robby Mook and some of the other Democrats saying he didn't really earn this victory.

WILLIAMS: No, no, no. What I said is --

GUILFOYLE: It's his rebuttal.

WILLIAMS: He's talking about --

GUILFOYLE: His rebuttal to that.

WILLIAMS: -- guilty as hell. Remember, I believe Hillary Clinton has been cleared of all such suspicions now. That's been put to bed, but no, he is back there in this argument about, she shouldn't even have been able to run. That's what he said in the --

BOLLING: But in response to the Democrats saying, hey, the reason why he won is because of James Comey, some of the other Russian actors.

WILLIAMS: You know what, I got news for Donald Trump. He's president- elect. He got to stop bothering (ph) with all -- you know what it is? That's like saying --

BOLLING: Well I think this is great.

WILLIAMS: -- egos don't change your lives.

BOLLING: I think -- do you like him?

GUTFELD: I think that he -- he's owned this thing and if you're going to get the word -- he's basically found the third rail that no one else can touch. Like the press, the press now reacts to him instead of you reacting to the press.

So, I mean, why stop it, you know? It's just up to the press to decide whether they want to keep covering it or not. And you know, when there is not a lot of news going on, it's great.

GUTFELD: But didn't he say he wasn't going to do it?

GUTFELD: He lied.


BOLLING: Final thought.

PERINO: No, I'm good.

BOLLING: Are you good?


BOLLING: Let's get out of here. Teleprompter.


BOLLING: There we go. Here's a Fox News from President Obama finally getting tough on immigration on his way out the door but not on our Mexican border with Cubans fleeing their oppressive regimes because of that, on "The Five" next.


PERINO: For more than two decades, the U.S. has granted automatic legal residency to almost any Cuban able to escape their communist country and make it to our soil. The policy was called "wet foot, dry foot." As of yesterday, it is not more.

President Obama ended the immigration provision (ph) after normalizing relations with Cuba. Cuba's government is hailing the move but there's some pushback here at home. Republican senator Marco Rubio, a son of Cuban immigrants, says he's concerned by the decision saying, "We must work to ensure that Cubans who arrive here to escape political persecution are not summarily returned to the regime."

It's not clear yet whether president-elect Trump might reverse the new policy when he takes office. So Greg, we're talking a little bit about this and this morning on the e-mails.


PERINO: Because once again, America is giving up something without getting something in return.

GUTFELD: Well, first up, wet foot, dry foot sounds like a prank I used to play on my siblings.

BOLLING: When they sleep.

GUTFELD: Yes, when they are asleep. Anyway.

GUILFOYLE: You need to wash --

GUTFELD: Obama proves Trump correct that this administration are -- they're lousy negotiators. We got nothing in return. You got a cop killer, Chesimard. You got a bomb maker, Morales. Chesimard killed to cops including one black officer.

They are convicted U.S. criminals, and he couldn't get them back -- I'm assuming he didn't get them back because he's more concerned about what he is getting out of this, which is his legacy, than what America could get out of it. And apparently, these are the only immigrants that he would like to deport, and why, because they were escaping a communist regime -- because they were escaping a repressive communist regime?

And progressives never saw Cuba that way. They saw Cuba as this beautiful romantic island. The perfect Utopia, only they got a few things right, and the only things they got right was how to kill their enemies.

PERINO: One of the things about this wet foot, dry foot policy, Eric, is that it started in 1995. One of the concerns of it from both side of the aisle has been that it basically encouraged people to be really risky to try to get across that water, 90 miles on a rickety boat. But then if you got here, that would be one thing.

The other problem is that has left some people stranded in Central America because they try to do the other way. So now, they are known to have left their card in their country. Now they can't come here. And if they go back, they'll be known to be political enemies.

BOLLING: So the explanation from the White House is that President Obama waited until now so that people wouldn't try to make the trip if they knew it was -- you have three weeks.

PERINO: It's just so weird because when he normalized relations two years ago, they all anticipated this would happen, that`s why 100,000 more left.

BOLLING: Right. And the other side is, and I think you guys were addressing it, so why would he be doing this? And it's clearly a give back to Cuba. Cuba wants this to further normalize the relationship. But I think you had pointed out in one of the e-mails, can you tell me the difference between this and getting to an embassy and saying, I'm declaring -- asking for political amnesty?

PERINO: Yes. So one of the things is that -- the wet foot, dry foot policy and then it got a lot of attention, but there's also policy that was started in 2006 to address the fact that Cuba for a long time has used this strategy as a foreign policy tool.

They train doctors up and then they send them to places like Angola or to Venezuela where they do great work, and they do good work. They are good doctors. But they are basically indentured servants because you get sent to Venezuela not out of the goodness out of Castro's heart, but because they don't have any money to pay for the oil that is being sent to them.

So what George W. Bush did when he was president in 2006 is to say to these doctors, if you get sent to one of these countries as an indentured servant and you don't want to be there, if you can get to a U.S. embassy and declare for political amnesty, we will take you in, and Kimberly, what they basically said yesterday is that is no longer allowed under the policy.

GUILFOYLE: Which is really interesting, and of course then you have to think about the positioning of the president-elect and what would he do, perhaps even reverse this policy. If he did, he would come under criticism because he is trying to secure our borders and have people go about things the right way and not show preferential treatment, et cetera because the circumstances have changed, which warranted that proposal to begin with.

GUTFELD: Do you think you he did this then to screw with Trump?

PERINO: No, I think that he did it for his own legacy.

GUILFOYLE: I think so.

PERINO: What do you think, Juan?

WILLIAMS: Well, I notice the business community supports it, and I'll tell you why --

PERINO: The wet foot, dr foot policy?

WILLIAMS: Yes. I tell you why -- I tell you why, because they see the normalization that we're talking about here is a good thing. They see the potential for American influence in Cuba growing because now there's going to be more communication, more transportation.

BOLLING: More customers.

WILLIAMS: More customers. Tremendous growth potential.

GUILFOYLE: Make Cuba great again.

WILLIAMS: I have personal objections to the fact that -- you know, Greg, you said, they kill political --

GUTFELD: Yes, opponents (ph).

WILLIAMS: They're killing their own people. They imprisoned their own people.

GUTFELD: Right, but they --

WILLIAMS: You know how we complain around here how Obama treats Fox? Imagine what they would do to us there. Oh my gosh, so I don't think --

GUTFELD: Yet, if celebrities go to Cuba and pretend that it's just --

WILLIAM: Well, I think those were --


WILLIAMS: Those people are twits (ph). I mean how can you -- that is a --

GUILFOYLE: Beyonce and Jay-Z?

WILLIAMS: I'm telling you, it's an oppressive regime. I don't think there's any question.

But in my heart, I always think, look, we've had this policy for 50-plus years, whatever, and the status quo hasn't changed. Something -- even Marco Rubio says we need to do something.

PERINO: I think that they were willing to do the wet foot, dry foot change, and that was allowed, but could we not get our -- those convicted criminals back into the United States, where they can serve time?

WILLIAMS: Sure! I think this is all -- by the way, I think that is where you said we could have inserted more pressure.

But the reality, Dana, I just -- I just feel like, you know, if we really care about the people, the Cuban people and the terrible conditions they live under, let's try to get something. Let's say, I have real problems with the idea of celebrating Cubans. I don't -- Cuban leadership.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, that's what you mean.

PERINO: Even "Madam Secretary," the show that I like, got it right on one of their shows, because they got her back. It was a fake one of her, comes back to a hero's welcome.

GUTFELD: There you go.

GUILFOYLE: Sounds a little like TV guide. Like, we give you a little synopsis.

PERINO: Yes. The little shows that we watch.

All right. President-elect Trump put the press on notice at his news conference Wednesday. The mainstream media is taking notes, The New York Times now drumming up a strategy on how to cover Mr. Trump when he takes office in a week. Details when we return.


WILLIAMS: Throughout his campaign and since winning the White House, President-elect Trump hasn't held back on how he feels about the press.


DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENT-ELECT OF THE UNITED STATES: Excuse me, cannot sit down. You weren't called. Sit down. Sit down.


TRUMP: Sit down.

That have these characters on television who don't have the brains they were born with, folks, OK? And they 'e dishonest.

The corporate media in our country is no longer involved in journalism.

The real question is, who's more dishonest, crooked Hillary Clinton or the media?

BuzzFeed, which is a failing pile of garbage.

Quiet. Quiet.

JIM ACOSTA, CNN SENIOR WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Mr. President-elect, could you state categorically?

TRUMP: Go ahead. She's asking a question. Don't be rude.

ACOSTA: Mr. President-elect, can you give us a question?

TRUMP: Don't be rude.

ACOSTA: You're attacking us. Can you give us a question?

TRUMP: Don't be...

ACOSTA: Can you give us a question?

TRUMP: I'm not going to give you a question.

ACOSTA: Can you state categorically...

TRUMP: You are fake news.


WILLIAMS: Mr. Trump's unconventional news conference on Wednesday may have been a wake-up call for the mainstream media. The New York Times is now actually offering a strategy on how journalists should cover our next president, advising reporters that Trump is going to be Trump, so tell a story, don't become a story. What do you think, Greg?

GUTFELD: Ah, gee whiz. You know...

GUILFOYLE: Gee whiz.

GUTFELD: Gee whiz. Here's the problem. Donald Trump likes teacher's pets. So if you indulge him, then he will indulge you. If you are critical, then he gets mad at you.

WILLIAMS: That's true.

GUTFELD: So you can play the game and be really, really nice and say nice things about him, but then you've got to look at yourself in the mirror. You're not a journalist anymore.

So I think you always have to go and say the right thing, no matter what. If you think something's wrong, you've got to speak up. But I wouldn't panic. I don't know why people are panicking about this.

WILLIAMS: Well, because I think he's having such success. I mean, basically at that news conference, he used the media as a punching bag, and I think he succeeded with it.

GUTFELD: It's always been a contentious relationship.

GUILFOYLE: Well, but they came after him.

WILLIAMS: They came after him?

GUILFOYLE: They came after him, and he came back at him.

WILLIAMS: What did they do to...

GUILFOYLE: The point is he was defending himself, because there were stories being spread about him that were false, that were very outrageous. And he said, "This is not true." He disproved it to the point of even having his attorneys show the passports that he had never ever been to Russia, let alone Prague, et cetera.

And so he's saying, "Look, these are false narratives, false stories," propaganda that was proffered against him to try to delegitimize his presidency. He has a right to defend himself. I would, too.

WILLIAMS: I certainly agree.

Eric, so what do you say in terms of general coverage? How would you go about this? Because even in the aftermath of the news conference, you saw certain elements in the press attacking other elements. It looks like they're -- they're not even a united front and saying, "We are journalists, and we have an obligation," as Greg was -- said, "to just account -- give an account of the facts."

BOLLING: I think this has been a brilliant strategy on Trump's part early on. You realize, I mean, the only people -- the only group with a lower approval rating then Congress is the media. So he saw, "Wow, that's a target I can own. I can hit a bull's-eye every time I shoot at that target."

GUILFOYLE: There is a vulnerability there.

BOLLING: Yes, there is a vulnerability.

But I think the Times is right, though. Boy, I've got to tell you. That struck home when they said, don't become the story. That's what he was able to do. He was able to making any dissenting media reporter outlet...


BOLLING: ... the story.

WILLIAMS: Correct.

BOLLING: And it was brilliant strategy. So The Times is onto something there.

But I think Donald Trump's media presence, footprint, is so massive that he'll evolve into, as Greg points out, he says stuff, we cover it.

WILLIAMS: So Dana, you're the media expert here, and I m struck by the idea that...

GUTFELD: Hey, I thought we were all pretty good.

WILLIAMS: We're not. You're not that. You know what?

GUILFOYLE: She has a "Great Point Journal" that we don't have. It's a best-seller.

WILLIAMS: Anyway, back to Ms. Perino. So the idea is that, if you hear something, and it's not from Donald Trump, well, if you're a Trump supporter, don't believe it's. You've got to go to Donald Trump.

PERINO: Well, except for even remember Kellyanne Conway said last week something along -- when she was being pressed on something that he had said, she said, "Well, why do you always look at what he said rather than knowing what's in his heart?" And that's hard to do, as well, because you -- we don't know him as she does.

And so I think that here's the thing. Facts always win, so -- from both sides. Just have more facts, and I think that everything comes out in the wash.

When The New York Times says to tell the story, I think that Jenna Johnson of The Washington Post did a really good job of that all year. She was on the campaign. And if you look back at some of her stories, her strategy was she went to the events. She quoted people that were at the events, used their own words to tell the story, no narrative, and then she backed off from it. And I actually think that that...

GUILFOYLE: Good approach.

PERINO: ... was an exceptional way to cover the news of this new president.

The other thing, I think, vengeance and humiliation of other people doesn't help you advance your agenda when you get into governing, I don't think. I mean, we'll see how it goes.

WILLIAMS: Helped him in the campaign.

PERINO: It helped in the campaign, but I think that it...

WILLIAMS: Because he would point at people, and he would absolutely get the crowd to root against him and curse them out.

BOLLING: But then they would bite.

PERINO: Right.

BOLLING: And it seems to not be able to help themselves. Your point about -- talking about NBC, Katie Torres (ph), same thing. Jim Acosta with CNN. There are those people who just can't help themselves and say, as Dana points out, just do the story. They want to fight back, and they'll go on TV and say, "Look what happened to me today when we were -- I was at a Trump rally. He pointed out and the crowd got against me." Instead of just going, "Here's what happened at the Trump rally."

Tucker Carlson is nailing it, because liberal journalists think they're going to beat him at his game. Liberal journalists think they're going to beat Trump at this game. You're not going to beat Trump. You're not going to beat Tucker. But there seems to be a desire to -- "I'm going to still try."

WILLIAMS: Well, I think people don't like being bullied, liberal or conservative. But we'll see how this goes, because it seems like it's a central story for the next four years.

Don't go anywhere. Because guess what? "Facebook Friday" up next.




GUILFOYLE: That was interesting.

GUTFELD: "Matlock." "Facebook Friday the 13th." We answer your scary questions.

I'm going to start with Dana, from Lori B.: "In honor of Friday the 13th, what is your favorite horror movie and why?"

PERINO: I actually was never allowed to watch them when I was a kid, so I don't like them now as an adult either. But I remember going to a slumber party, and they watched "Carrie." And I've never been able to unsee that.

GUTFELD: Yes, that's a...

PERINO: I was mortified.

GUTFELD: ... great film. John Travolta was in that, by the way.

PERINO: Life is too short to watch a horror movie.

GUTFELD: Well, especially for you.

Life is always short. Eric.

GUILFOYLE: "Short Stories."

BOLLING: All horror. Just...

GUILFOYLE: He loves it all.

BOLLING: I just love the horror genre, I do. All of them.

PERINO: Doesn't it scare you?

BOLLING: "Cabin in the Woods," they don't scare me anymore. They don't. And for the life of me, what's the one with the umbrella corporation? Where it's under the -- it's a zombie series. I can't remember. I adore it.

But "Walking Dead," every Sunday when it's in series. I love it. There's a new character, Negan. Jeffrey Dean Morgan is the best actor I've seen acting on television in a very long time.


GUTFELD: He was great in "Watchmen." You ever see "The Watchmen"? No?

BOLLING: I haven't.

GUTFELD: Jack Schneider? Got to check it out.

GUILFOYLE: All right.

GUTFELD: All right, Juan.

GUILFOYLE: Moving on.

GUTFELD: Horror film?

WILLIAMS: Is "Silence of The Lambs" a horror film?

GUTFELD: Yes, I would call that a thriller horror film.

GUILFOYLE: It's not a fairy tale.

WILLIAMS: It ain't happy. No.

GUILFOYLE: Or a romance.

BOLLING: Sci-fi story.

WILLIAMS: Of a sort, of a sort.

GUILFOYLE: Although some people do like to do that.

WILLIAMS: Yikes. We're going to -- we're going to give you an escort from now on. Anyway, I like -- "Aliens" is another one I like.

GUTFELD: Fantastic.

WILLIAMS: And of course, the classic to me was "Psycho." I once -- I must say, I don't like horror movies, personally. I just, you know, for me, life is enough of an upset. I don't know why you would want to do that to yourself.

GUILFOYLE: You're at this table every day.

WILLIAMS: That's true.


WILLIAMS: But I once had an interview with Wes Craven, because...

BOLLING: Brilliant.

WILLIAMS: Wes Craven, you know, like "Friday the 13th" and all that and "Elm Street." And the reason I was talking to him was he was saying to me that minority kids are the biggest audience for horror films. And I was saying, "Well, why is that? Why do you make horror films for minority kids?"

And he says, "Well, you know, they're so shocked by so much going on, they come to us for laughs. They think it's just great fun."

BOLLING: Todd says it's "Resident Evil." Get it in.

GUTFELD: Kimberly, quickly? I didn't realize I was going to get a monologue from Juan.

GUILFOYLE: I don't love it; I don't like any of them. I think "Friday the 13th" is terrifying. I think...


GUILFOYLE: Speaking of. And I think that "Willy Wonka and The Chocolate Factory"...

GUTFELD: That's not a horror film.

GUILFOYLE: It is to me. And you know what else is?


GUILFOYLE: "The Wizard of Oz."

GUTFELD: Oh, you're freaked out by the flying monkeys.

GUILFOYLE: I would never...

GUTFELD: That scared the hell out of me as a kid.

GUILFOYLE: Do you agree?

GUTFELD: The flying monkeys.

GUILFOYLE: You find it very scary?

GUTFELD: I couldn't sleep. The flying monkeys terrified me.

PERINO: No, that was a scary one. I remember it. But I loved it. Watched it every year.

GUTFELD: You know what also scared me? The Laurel and Hardy movie with the march of the wooden soldiers. That was freaky, too, because they had some weird-looking monsters.

PERINO: Another one that I almost left the theater was Morgan Freeman is the president -- is it called "Independence Day?" Where there's, like, going to be the big -- the asteroid is going to hit the ocean and the world's going to...?

GUILFOYLE: That's bad,.

PERINO: I almost left. I hate it.

GUILFOYLE: You'd probably like "I Am Legend." That's so scary and nobody is left...

PERINO: I hated "I Am Legend."

GUILFOYLE: No one is left alive but the dog.

WILLIAMS: What movie was that?

GUTFELD: "I Am Legend."

GUILFOYLE: "I Am Legend."

GUTFELD: Great movie. The original "The Omega Man" with Chuck Heston. Watch that one. That's a good one.

GUILFOYLE: How about any "Chucky" movies?

GUTFELD: "Soylent Green." I have a tie. I have the original "Texas Chainsaw Massacre," which is terrifying, and, of course, "Love Actually."

GUILFOYLE: I knew you were going to say that!

GUTFELD: It's a horror film. It's a horror film. It's my horror, it's my nightmare to be trapped in that film.

All right. Let's go this way to you, Kimberly. "If a young person came to you asking, what's the most important thing for living a good life," what would you say?

GUILFOYLE: Most important thing. OK, I would say working hard, but besides that, don't do anything that you're going to regret, you know, when you wake up in the morning. Be a good idea if you think about it ahead of time. Like, go to bed at night, like, feeling good about what's going on and what you've done that day, and you can wake up in the morning. You don't shame your parents.

GUTFELD: I just realized I'm probably a lot of people's regrets.




GUTFELD: That was a long time ago.

GUILFOYLE: Just saying.

GUTFELD: We were stuck. It was a layover. Juan.

WILLIAMS: I'd say -- I'd say pick a passion and go for it early. I think most people, I mean, who are very successful, they started very young. You know, so even in elementary school, high school, junior high, just go for it. Do it. Do what you're crazy about right now.

BOLLING: Completely -- just a twist on it, and find a job that you love, not the one that you have to have, and stay with it. And if you're doing a job you don't love, just be true to it; be true to yourself.

PERINO: OK, avoid comparing yourself to others.

GUTFELD: Ooh, that's good.

PERINO: Like watching -- you're looking at someone's Instagram, thinking that their life -- that your life isn't as good. Because also remember, everybody suffers. Everybody has something that they're dealing with. So don't compare yourself.

GUTFELD: I used to look at people my age...

GUILFOYLE: Your life looks pretty good, Dana, on Instagram.

GUTFELD: I used to look at people my age. They were doing better than me, that drove me crazy. Like, when I was 25 and I saw another 25-year-old doing really well, I would feel like crap, and then I would start to look at older -- as I got older, and then I saw 24-year-olds doing better. Drove me crazy.

GUILFOYLE: I know, but that's a self-esteem issue.

GUTFELD: Well, when you're young you -- you know, you want to get ahead.

GUILFOYLE: Yes. You've got to feel good about where you are and what you're doing.

BOLLING: You're older?


BOLLING: Were you able to...

GUTFELD: Yes, finally.

But mine is proper hygiene and grooming. That's the -- sometimes the most -- 90 percent of life is, you know, taking a shower and combing your hair.

WILLIAMS: Yes, you don't want to be a germophobe.

GUILFOYLE: Then putting on that shorty robe. Toweling off.

GUTFELD: Good. All right.


GUTFELD: "Theme song for President Trump's inauguration?"

BOLLING: Oh, my gosh, really?


GUILFOYLE: "Eye of the Tiger."

GUTFELD: Very good, "Eye of the Tiger."

BOLLING: "Start Me Up."

GUTFELD: "Start Me Up." Juan.

WILLIAMS: What was the one he used at this campaign event?

GUTFELD: "Can't Always Get What You Want."


GUTFELD: There you go.

PERINO: How about, "You've Got to Know When to Hold Them."


GUILFOYLE (SINGING): You've got to know when to hold them...

GUTFELD: On that note, I would say anything from "The Wiz."

BOLLING: Very nice.

GUTFELD: "One More Thing" is up next.

BOLLING: That's -- that's not proven.


GUILFOYLE: It's time now for "One More Thing." And now, a very special "Honoring Heroes."

And thousands of mourners gathered earlier at St. Patrick's Cathedral to bid a final farewell to beloved New York City police detective Steven McDonald, who passed away Tuesday. The 59-year-old was left paralyzed from the neck down after a teenager shot him in the line of duty in Central Park 30 years ago. Amazingly, McDonald forgave that gunman and dedicated his life to fighting violence and hate.

President-elect Trump paid tribute to him this morning, tweeting: "A beautiful funeral today for a real NYC hero, Detective Steven McDonald. Our law enforcement community has my complete and total support."

Detective McDonald will be remembered as a symbol of faith, forgiveness and inspiration. May God bless you and your family -- Dana.

PERINO: OK. So last month, soldiers of the 244th Expeditionary Combat Aviation Brigade, they gathered together to participate in their annual holiday formal ceremony, and they had the Honor Flight Network to honor 93- year-old Corporal Russell Becker. Corporal Decker is an Army vet. He served in World War II, an impressive resume. He was part of General Patton's 3rd Army in the battle of Normandy. He was honored at the event with the unit colors and the American flag, and then that flag was cased and flown in Afghanistan over Jalalabad, Kandahar and Bagram. So congratulations to him and thank you, sir, for your service.

GUILFOYLE: Very nice. Thank you.

All right. Who's up next?


GUILFOYLE: Not there.

GUTFELD: Oh. Saturday, 10 p.m., Carrie Keagan, fresh from "The Apprentice." She got booted. And Anthony Cumia. It's going to be a great show.

Do I have time to do this new news thing or no?

PERINO: Don't ask, just do it.

GUTFELD: All right.

BOLLING: Apologize later.

GUTFELD: All right. What?

GUILFOYLE: Oh, you know.

GUTFELD: I thought there was a little thing that had to roll.

GUILFOYLE: All right. You just blew it.

GUTFELD: Yes, it's OK.

GUILFOYLE: You miss 100 percent of the shots you don't take, buddy.

All right, Juan.

WILLIAMS: Hey, hey, hey. Give him a break.

GUTFELD: That was beautiful. Made me very happy.

WILLIAMS: All right. In his farewell address Tuesday, President Obama said his teen daughters, growing up in the White House, grew up in the weirdest way possible, proven by the way, by conspiracy theories that arose over Sasha's absence that Tuesday night.

But there are another pair of sisters, Jenna and Barbara Bush. They know how weird it is to be in the White House and growing up. George W. Bush's daughters wrote a heartfelt letter to Sasha and Malia as their time came to a close. Watch this.


BARBARA BUSH, DAUGHTER OF GEORGE W. BUSH: Enjoy college. As most of the world knows, we did. And you won't have the weight of the world on your shoulders anymore.

JENNA BUSH, DAUGHTER OF GEORGE W. BUSH: Take all that you've seen, the people you have met, the lessons you have learned, and let those help guide you in making positive change. We have no doubt that you will.


WILLIAMS: I thought that was pretty terrific from across political lines, but...

PERINO: Well, they wrote them a letter when they arrived and then a letter eight years later.

GUILFOYLE: OK, because it's called class act.

OK, Bolling?

BOLLING: OK, very quickly, full screen. "O'Reilly" tonight, I'll be hosting that. Have Anthony Scaramucci. A couple other people are going to go through some of the stuff that Donald Trump was tweeting about and some things we talked about. We'll dig a little deeper into it.

But today, this happened. I teased it earlier. Steve Harvey visited Donald Trump. Afterwards, they talked a little bit. Listen to what Steve Harvey had to say about why he was there. I found it very interesting and very comforting. Listen.


STEVE HARVEY, COMEDIAN, TV PERSONALITY: It's just me following orders from my friend, President Obama, who said, "Steve, you've got to" -- as he told everybody -- "get out from behind your computers. Stop tweeting and texting, and get out there and sit down and talk." So I stepped down from behind my microphone, and I came and talked to the guy that's going to be the 45th president of the United States. I did what I was supposed to do.


BOLLING: You know what?

GUILFOYLE: Very nice.

BOLLING: Give the guy a chance and see what happens. I agree. That's fantastic. Steve Harvey, thumbs up.

GUILFOYLE: Good guy. Bring us on "Family Feud."

Thank you. OK, go ahead, Greg.

GUTFELD: All right. Let's go to this new news.


GUTFELD: "Greg's Sunny News."


GUTFELD: Now many of you don't know who Sonny Obama is. It's their 4- year-old Portuguese water dog, who last week bit a visitor, bit a visitor on the face. We have under a week left before we can impeach President Obama, and I think we can do it based on this.

PERINO: Did the visitor deserve it?

GUILFOYLE: So glad you got that in.

GUTFELD: How dare you blame the victim, Dana.

PERINO: I'm just saying that's a nice dog.

BOLLING: What did Reince Priebus say after he got bit?


BOLLING: I'm kidding. I'm kidding. No, no, I'm kidding.

So -- so what do you do? I mean...

GUTFELD: I don't know. I don't know what you do. What do you do?


GUTFELD: You sue!

GUILFOYLE: No, you sue. And you have a vicious dog.

GUTFELD: How ironic, the name is Sunny.

PERINO: You have a story that you can tell the rest of your life.

GUILFOYLE: That's it for us. Have a great weekend. See you back here on Monday. "Special Report" is next.

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