Dems reveal anger over move to dismantle ObamaCare

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," January 12, 2017. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I am Dana Perino with Kimberly Guilfoyle, Juan Williams, Eric Bolling and Greg Gutfeld. It's 5 o'clock in New York City. And this is "The Five."

Republicans have promised to repeal ObamaCare. And now, the process is under way. The GOP-controlled senate took the first big step toward dismantling the President Obama's signature law last night, proving the budget measure that sets the effort in motion. As tonight goes to a close, all Democrats could do was state a process.




UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You are stealing healthcare from Americans. I vote no.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: For all those with pre-existing conditions.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is cruel and inhumane.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The senate is in order.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Healthcare should not just before the healthy.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Debate is not allowed during a vote.


PERINO: The house votes tomorrow. Here's speaker Paul Ryan on how GOP leadership plans to proceed.


PAUL RYAN, U.S. HOUSE SPEAKER: I have spoken with president-elect Trump probably two times last three days on this. Mike Pence was in my office yesterday to discuss this. So we are in complete sync and we agree we want to make sure that we move these things concurrently at the same time, repeal and replaced. We need to show that there is a better way for it. We need to show that even though this law is collapsing, we can bridge ourselves to a much, much better system.


PERINO: Now, Greg, you said you have an overarching thought.

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: It's the first time I saw the tape of the protest. I understand that the goal of the protest, the hope on the left is that when you are demonized, you will lose your nerve. The moment that the left calls you mean, then you go, oh, wait a minute, maybe we should keep things the way they are. But you got just respond with so what, do not feel guilty about burning this crap to the ground. Destroy this entire thing because you have one thing to remember. It was a 2700- page bill, no one read it. They didn't give you the time, the respect to read the bill. You don't owe them the restraint when you destroy this thing. They took your doctor, they took your healthcare, they took your money. It was a redistribution plan. These politicians spend more time vetting their hotel rooms, checking their mini-bars than they did on the spell. So screw them. You should feel no shame burning this bill to the ground. Sorry.

PERINO: OK. That's a good motto and a rallying cry.

GUTFELD: So repeal and replace. Don't worry about it, just destroy it.

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: That was so exhilarating.

GUTFELD: Thank you. No, I was thinking about it today. We talked about this forever. They didn't read it, so what do we owe them for? They didn't read it.


GUILFOYLE: You'll find out what's in it.


PERINO: The idea of bending the cost down didn't happen. One of the things that I think is key, Kimberly, to talk about it, you heard a reporter ask -- but the reporter was asking Speaker Paul Ryan, are you on the house Republican side and with a new White House, incoming president not on the same page? Because I'm talking about repeal and replace and the timing of it and what I think Paul Ryan was showing there is that he and Mike Pence are very close.


PERINO: Mike Pence was there yesterday. They actually were going to do something that Dick Cheney had on the house side, which is provide an office for the vice-president to be there whenever he wants to be there. So I think what he is trying to say is that we are in lockstep. We know what we're doing and we have a plan and we are being mature and thoughtful about it.

GUILFOYLE: I think he did that in a really great way. He communicated his message effectively, he gave specific examples to back it up saying that Pence was just in his office that he has spoken to, president-elect Donald Trump two out of the three, you know, two times I guess in the past three days. So that's just that they are in step and that they are actually working together. They are communicating, which is what you want them to do, to be collaborative and to be on the same page. So there aren't missteps early on in the administration. So it seems like they are in unison, which I think is a very good sign and you want to have them quite in accord moving forward in the same direction.

PERINO: You also have, Eric, the fact that you know the question when president-elect Donald Trump said we'll do something on the same day, right. He said when HHS nominee Tom Price is confirmed, we will have something. And I think what they are saying is that in the ObamaCare Bill that nobody read, there are all these things that say the secretary shall - - the secretary has the discretion. So there are so many things that from an administrative standpoint can be done immediately to help alleviate some of these ObamaCare problems.

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: And so, they need to tackle a couple things. Number one, they need to get competition back into it to really bend the cost curve down. That's the only thing it will do. But there are two issues the ObamaCare failed on. It was -- number one, that in order to make it work, insurers had a jack up deductible so high that they were sometimes in a family, you are paying $10,000 or $15,000 out of your own pocket before you even went to the insurer to pay for a single thing. So that was the only way to keep their numbers low for the extra policies. That's the problem they need to figure that out by getting more competition, you bring prices down. The other one was the other way they had to make it work was someone had to finance this whole thing. And the people who had to finance it in order for it to work, because a lot of elderly people were on it, they're using a lot of health assets or resources, young people had to buy it. And the young people turned out. They realized at some point it was cheaper to take the fine in your taxes than to buy the insurance and go ahead and pay for your own insurance, and they didn't come out. So there were some economic things they need to play with. But those are certainly surmountable. The number one way in doing that is to drop the state requirements, drop the state lines, and you will allow more competition into every single healthcare system.

PERINO: Juan, one of the things the Democrats say, like in the protest last night is that 20 million people are about to lose their insurance, which I'm told is false. You start the repeal place in motion that the replaced part are in place before anybody loses their insurance. So the Republicans are saying there isn't a gap, no one is going to fall through the cracks.


JUAN WILLIAMS, CO-HOST: So if they had a plan, I would be interested.

PERINO: I have it for you. And I printed it. It's called a better way, Juan. I printed it. It's nice and it's in bullet points.


WILLIAMS: Let me read something.


WILLIAMS: In the Boston Globe today, it said Santa Claus, the abominable snowman, the Easter Bunny, the Loch Ness monster, and the Republican Party replacement for ObamaCare, what do all of these have in common? They don't exist and they never will.


WILLIAMS: And so, he says oh, well, a lot of these young people they would rather pay the penalty and not have to be included in ObamaCare. Well, I never thought I would hear from you a suggestion that we hike the penalty, so that they stay in.

BOLLING: I didn't say that.


WILLIAMS: That's the only solution.

BOLLING: No, it isn't.


WILLIAMS: Let me finish. That's exactly what you said.


BOLLING: Reduce the premiums by offering competition.

WILLIAMS: Gregory, you are all about nobody read it. Nobody read it.


WILLIAMS: No, no, no. One or two people didn't read it and you want to label it. Here's the thing. Right now, the polls are very clear. Americans are divided on ObamaCare. It's like 49 percent say repeal, 47 percent say keep it. You know, what is more telling? When you ask people whether or not the government should help the poor or low income people, seniors with healthcare, it's overwhelming.


PERINO: No one on the Republican side.


PERINO: That is a straw man because who on the Republican side is saying that low income.


GUILFOYLE: Who says that? Nobody.


WILLIAMS: Donald Trump. Here is the man who is saying it. Repeal right now.

PERINO: No, no. He actually said.

GUILFOYLE: That is not what he said.


PERINO: He doesn't want anybody to have to lose their health insurance.


WILLIAMS: What's the response from Republicans on Capitol Hill? We don't have a plan. We need some time.

GUILFOYLE: I know, but here is the bottom-line. You just made something up and you specifically attributed a statement to the president-elect that he never made.


GUILFOYLE: No, no, he did not.

WILLIAMS: We need the repeal right now. He says replace right now.

GUILFOYLE: Listen, it is very clear that he doesn't want anyone to fall between the gaps and to suffer to not have healthcare.


WILLIAMS: That's what they are working on.


BOLLING: The requirement to have ObamaCare doesn't mean people lose their insurance. It means continued to ensure, just repeal the mandate that you have to have ObamaCare as your insurance and work on something in place of it.

WILLIAMS: Yeah. So where is it?


WILLIAMS: It has been six years, I think 20 senate Republicans in total obstructions that oh, we can do better. Six years later.

PERINO: Wait. They did pass it on the house. Now, it is a whole new situation where you have enough votes in the house and in the senate if everyone stays together. And I do think they will try to make it bipartisan. There was a really good piece called Republicans still need to win hearts and minds on ObamaCare. And I don't think that is lost on anybody, Greg. We know they have half the country to convince.

GUTFELD: Well, I mean, the question is, how do you counter the stereotypical counterpunch, you know, Republicans are harming people by taking something away. You have to out-compassion them. You have to say you know what system has worked with every commodity from technology into food to transportation, the free market. The invisible hand of the free market, free enterprise beats the non-hand of government.


WILLIAMS: The status quo.


WILLIAMS: Obviously, we had the free market before.

BOLLING: No, we didn't.


GUILFOYLE: No, we didn't. That's why the costs went up so high. The problem is the reason why it's so expensive, they have no competition. They will have one or maybe two people to providing it and there are 67 percent increases. And people are like I can't pay for this. Then we want to penalize other people and make people buy it. This is the whole way this is set up is not sustainable. They won't have the ability to be able to continue to pay for this.


WILLIAMS: And what I was saying was that previously before ObamaCare, we have a competitive marketplace that Eric talked about, right. And what did it do? We left so many people without insurance.

PERINO: OK. Last word, Eric.

BOLLING: I'm just going to say there's a very easy solution to it. You repeal the mandate portion of ObamaCare, you even leave ObamaCare as an option, and then go replace it with something better. You need to have competition, a cheaper alternative.


PERINO: Like where younger people can buy catastrophic insurance and not have deductibles that are impossible for them to be able to use.

WILLIAMS: You know, says this was going to cost 3 million jobs, it is going to create chaos in the health insurance market and you guys are like cheering.

GUILFOYLE: We are not cheering. It's going to happen gradually. Nobody is going to be left out in the cold or without medical care or proper treatment. That's the whole point of it. And by the way, it shouldn't be that hard to sell it because everyone wants better.


PERINO: And in fact, this document I was going to give Juan that I printed is called a better way. You can find it.


GUTFELD: I recommend it reading with Dana.


PERINO: Well, that's why people stay and watch the show.


PERINO: All right, ahead, confirmation hearings today on the Hill for three more president-elect Trump's nominees, General James Mattis, Dr. Ben Carson, and Congressman Mike Pompeo. Highlights from each of the hearings when The Five returns.


GUILFOYLE: I saw you smile, Greg. More confirmation hearings today on the Hill for president-elect Trump's nominees. Earlier, General Mattis, Dr. Ben Carson, and Congressman Mike Pompeo faced questions from lawmakers. General Mattis is in contention for secretary of defense. And we will begin with some of his testimony today.


GENERAL JAMES MATTIS, SECRETARY OF DEFENSE NOMINEE: We have a long list of times we have tried to engage positively with Russia. We have a relatively short list of successes in that regard. And I think right now, the most important thing is that we recognize the reality of what we deal with Mr. Putin. We have to deliver a hard blow against ISIS in the Middle East. We've got to have an integrated strategy on this, and it's got to be one that goes after the recruiting and their fundraising as well as delivering a military blow against them in the Middle East.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When it comes to Iran, you said in terms of the agreement we have, we gave our word. Is that what you said?

MATTIS: We did. Yes, Sir.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you think it's a terrible deal?

MATTIS: It's not a deal I would have signed, certainly.


GUILFOYLE: I really like this guy. I mean, I thought he did fantastic today and I love what he said. We want to make the department of defense the most lethal that it can be. Does that tell you absolutely everything you need to know, Eric?


BOLLING: Can I point out that there are some things that he varied from Donald Trump on and I think that maybe a lot of people happy. So here's our guy. They liked what they heard. Can I hold my time and my fire for Pompeo? Because I think that was the most compelling testimony.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah, he was fantastic.


WILLIAMS: Before you do, can I ask Eric a question?

GUILFOYLE: Such civility. Yes, you may. Mother, may I?


WILLIAMS: Thank you, Mama.


WILLIAMS: I don't get it. If he is not agreeing with Donald Trump who is the president-elect, then exactly what does Mattis.


BOLLING: Rex Tillerson, Jeff Sessions, General Mattis and others say you know, here is what I believe. This is what I believe. It doesn't necessarily line up exactly with what the president-elect believes, exactly, but that's what advisors are. That's what cabinet secretaries are supposed to do. Advise the president.


WILLIAMS: I think he selected them and the idea is.


BOLLING: To his credit, they have put an echo chamber.


GUTFELD: you know you guys are talking about, which is great, substance. If this was a left on left hearing, it would be about gender, sexuality, skin color. These guys are being chosen for experience not for, I don't know, empathy or please the media.


GUTFELD: Yeah. It is not the cuddles. It is the security. It is not sentiment when you see these guys, when you hear them talk, they are the bad guys in liberal movies. These are the guys seen as bad guys because they are adults. This is political adult swim. All the children are out of the room. All the liberals have gone to bed early and this is what you get.


GUILFOYLE: Even the kids want to stay up.


WILLIAMS: To finish the point, so all of a sudden, we have people, Eric, who don't necessarily -- it's like we are saying you know, he's the president but we have some really smart, experienced, in Greg's words, people and they will take care of him. They will calm prompt down.


BOLLING: To his credit, he picked people who weren't part of the echo chamber. Fantastic.

GUILFOYLE: Dana, I want to ask you about Pompeo. I want to get on him as well. So let's take a listen to Pompeo. He is up for a CIA director. Take a listen.


MIKE POMPEO, CIA DIRECTOR NOMINEE: I can tell you it's going to require an incredibly robust American response, our response to this is a security- related response. It means we have to get better defending against these, and then a response that hold these actors accountable, who commit these kinds of actions the United States of America, the form, the nature, the depth, the severity of those responses will be decisions of policymakers. That will be beyond me as the director of Central Intelligence Agency. But I do view my role there as central.


GUILFOYLE: Dana, I have the pleasure to interview him during the Benghazi hearing. He was incredibly compelling, very well prepared, well-spoken. I found him to be the same today.

PERINO: Well, I think the best response has been actually one where you don't have anyone on the record. That is the quiet -- quiet exuberance, I think I can say, of the men and women in the intelligence community and at the CIA to say that they think he will have their back, that will allow them to do the work that they need to do in order to protect the country. So I think he hit a home run today.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah. He was fantastic. All right. Eric, your thoughts.

BOLLING: I don't know Mike Pompeo. He was asked some very, very difficult questions, specifically by Senator Wyden about data collection and encryption. These are going to be the big issues going forward, cyber security as well. As pointed out at one point, there are 100,000 cyber attacks on us daily -- daily. What are we going to do about it? He says we clearly need to put more work in it. He didn't define how much ad in what areas. I think it was great. My concern was there were senators on that panel who didn't know what metadata was and didn't really understand encryption. That was troublesome for me. But the most ridiculous thing, as Greg pointed out, came from a liberal. There was a brand-new senator, Kamala Harris, who asked Mike Pompeo -- spent her time asking Mike Pompeo about gay marriage, equal pay, and climate change. This is a spy agency. They are supposed to gather intelligence on bad guys.


GUILFOYLE: She got on the right committee.


GUILFOYLE: Probably not a good fit. I used to work with her at the San Francisco district attorneys office. Greg.

GUTFELD: Again, I feel like when you are watching that, you know you are in safer hands because they think about this stuff. They don't feel and what you just mentioned was the comparison between feeling and thinking. What she wanted was like a TV sitcom or a west wing version of a politician, but she was faced with the reality able Republican who lives in the real world. Talk about gender stuff later. But we've got kind of a war. We have terror, we have cyber terror. We will talk about your baby stuff later.

GUILFOYLE: The cumulus clouds aren't trying to kill us?


WILLIAMS: Climate change isn't an issue, not an issue at all, not an issue.

WILLIAMS: For the CIA director, Juan?


WILLIAMS: And you know what, Mattis doesn't have to deal with people.


WILLIAMS: Those wacky liberals.

GUILFOYLE: They said climate change is a bigger threat to U.S. national security than ISIS.

WILLIAMS: Yeah. And Mike Pompeo is the guy who said even after the house intelligence committee said we are done with Benghazi. He said oh, no, no, we're still there. He has no political bone to fight. Oh no, not him, never. Oh no, crazy liberals, Greg.

GUTFELD: Oh no, it is crazy to think that climate change takes priority over terror.


GUTFELD: There is intent, to end our civilization. Climate change, even a slight increase in Celsius, it's beneficial. And also, the computer models are highly inaccurate.



BOLLING: Russians are trying to hack us. Iranians want to kill us. ISIS wants to blow us out of the water. Climate change may be an issue, but it's not as pressing and urgent as ISIS.


WILLIAMS: I see. I will leave it alone. We report. You decide.


GUILFOYLE: Juan, are you making a commercial.

GUTFELD: Write a letter to your local editor, if you're upset about climate change, but don't bring it up to the CIA director.


GUILFOYLE: All right. This is just getting started. Oh fun, you can run, you can hide. They are going to get you. BuzzFeed's embattled editor-in- chief defends his organization's outrageous decision to publish an unfair fight against president-elect Trump. Hear that flimsy excuse when The Five returns.


GUTFELD: BuzzFeed honcho Ben Smith defends publishing the opposition research on Donald Trump saying it's all about transparency:


BEN SMITH, BUZZFEED EDITOR-IN-CHIEF: There was an era when you would be the gatekeeper of information, you would say to your audience, trust us. We are keeping things from you. We have secrets we are not telling you, but you should trust us. I think you could say that was a good era, you could say it was bad era. That is not the present day.

I think people love to throw the term "fake news" around to diminish anything they don't like. But I think this was a real story about a real document that was really being passed around between the very top officials of this country. Then you say it's OK for you to see this document, OK for me to see it, it's OK for John McCain, OK for the CIA. Why is it not OK for your audience?


GUTFELD: That is not the real Capitol. Anyway, his defense is since reporters and politicians can see this document, why can't you? And exercising restraint would be dishonest, even if what you are withholding happens to be false. Translation: Somebody told me I lie about you, but I'm going to spread it anyway because if I don't I'd be dishonest.

It is B.S. You know it has nothing to do with transparency. It's about clicks, getting eyeballs, selling ads.

And also, it's because of Trump. Seriously, could you imagine anyone running that stuff about President Obama? Hell, no. If anyone in the media pulled that crap, their career would be over -- or at least forced to work at BuzzFeed.

Now, Trump has pushed innuendo too: the JFK-Cruz rumor, the birtherisms, the Muslims cheering during 9/11. And remember how helpful the National Enquirer was to him pre-election. So maybe he's learned something from this.

The fact is we all have a duty to place information in context and facts. I expect that from the press and the president. But by running this Russian stuff, BuzzFeed enhances the chaos sown already by so much disinformation. These days, thanks to a relentless overload from all sides, facts get lost in fiction and no one provides backup to their feverish fantasies. Instead, weak minds demand that you prove them wrong.

Meanwhile, Putin wins again without even trying.

Kimberly, you are a lawyer.

GUILFOYLE: What kind of trouble are you in this week?

GUTFELD: I have some pictures I need to show you after the show.

BOLLING: That will give you trouble.

GUTFELD: I was drugged.


GUILFOYLE: You've texted us...

GUTFELD: And that wasn't my dog.

GUILFOYLE: You've texted them before. You in your shorty robe.

GUTFELD: Gawker was -- Gawker was sued out of business over the Hulk Hogan thing.


GUTFELD: Is it possible that what BuzzFeed did is -- I mean, are they -- are they in trouble for this?

GUILFOYLE: I would be very worried. Because the bottom line is, if they went ahead and willingly published information that they knew, and intentionally, was false, yes. They're in trouble. Because you can't get anything more damaging than the allegations in there that were proved now to be false; and the fact of the matter is they went ahead and did it anyway. Why? To try and generate business with themselves? In a deliberate, concerted effort to undermine the impending presidency of Donald Trump. That's what it is. They've been trying to delegitimize it; they've been trying to create problems from day one, and this was the last attempt.

But he did a masterful job of tossing and turning the tables back around on his tormentors the people that try to take him out. And the problem with this is that it also -- there's some suggestion, Catherine Herridge reported, of collusion going even directly into the White House. So this is a big problem.

GUTFELD: Eric, could you imagine anybody running this if it was President Obama?

BOLLING: So can I just take it one step further? Ben Smith, the editor- in-chief, in a letter to his employees, basically said, "This is fake news. We can't -- these allegations aren't provable, but we're going to run it anyway." I think that's the legal hook that they have.

GUILFOYLE: Like a confession.

BOLLING: NBC, proud Peacock, you must be proud of the $400 million you dropped into that company in the last two years.

GUTFELD: Put the "P" in peacock.

BOLLING: Put the "P" in peacock, very good. My guess is they're going to pull back. Maybe they can go to Soros and say, "Hey, we'll call it SorosFeed" and get more money. But I think they were struggling financially. I think that's going to be the death knell for them.

GUTFELD: Dana, what do you think? Would they -- I'm going to keep asking. Would -- they never would have done this to Obama or Hillary, would they?

PERINO: No, they wouldn't have. But also, remember, many reporters had this for many months.

GUTFELD: Didn't use it.

PERINO: And they didn't do it either?

GUTFELD: Yes, yes, yes.

PERINO: So I do think that we're painting with a broad brush the media, and it's unfair. It was BuzzFeed was the exception here.


PERINO: I mean, if a document like this had been within the WikiLeaks stuff, like if Podesta had been emailing that around, and that was released, I mean, then what would we be saying?

GUTFELD: That's a good point.

GUILFOYLE: Put that in your journal.

GUTFELD: Your journal. Good point journal for Dana Perino.

GUILFOYLE: It's up to volume two now.

WILLIAMS: My point...

GUTFELD: This is the bad point journal by Juan Williams.

WILLIAMS: Here's the bad point on this. There's a real reason that BuzzFeed ran that, and the real reason is that the intelligence agencies, in fact, did include it in the briefing for the President Obama and the president-elect.

GUTFELD: But it wasn't intel research. It was opposition research.

WILLIAMS: No, but what they did was they gave it sufficient credibility from this former British spy.


WILLIAMS: To put it in this document and say, "Gentlemen, this is such explosive material, we think you have to know something about it."

So I was really proud of you, Gregory, because you mentioned that Trump is the man with birtherism and saying that Ted Cruz's Dad was in -- all right. So if that's the case, this is of a whole different cloth. And so it's easy to dump on BuzzFeed and say, "Oh, yes, yes, yes."

And then, of course, we've seen dumping on CNN. But other people come back and say, "Wait, there's some legitimacy. This is really out there; this really exists."

GUTFELD: But if you know -- for example, if you know that that Michael Cohen is not that Michael Cohen, that calls into question everything. Like, anybody could say there's 1,000 -- 100,000 Michael Cohens on the globe.

GUILFOYLE: Because they want to believe it so badly, they...

GUTFELD: But they knew...

GUILFOYLE: He's never been to Prague or Russia.


WILLIAMS: ... scrutiny.

BOLLING: You've worked for "The Washington Post," right?


BOLLING: You've worked for FOX, other establishments that would never print that.

WILLIAMS: And that's what they were saying.

BOLLING: Smith knew.

WILLIAMS: No, no, no. But remember, everybody...

BOLLING: This is indefensible.

WILLIAMS: It was wrong, but everybody then said...

GUILFOYLE: Liar, liar, BuzzFeed on fire.

WILLIAMS: ... the intelligence agencies gave it credibility. They pushed it.

GUILFOYLE: Juan, you're getting a hard wrap.

GUTFELD: We're getting an executive producer yelling right now.

PERINO: Wow, was that Porter?

GUILFOYLE: Porter Berry?



GUTFELD: He must have left the bar.

I'm kidding. I'm kidding. Porter doesn't drink.

Stay right there. "The Fastest Seven's" up next.


BOLLING: Welcome back. Time for...


GRAPHIC: Fastest 7


BOLLING: ... "The Fastest Seven Minutes on Television." Three political stories today, seven purposeful minutes, one provoking host.

First up, so this happened. In an attempt to play a game of one-upmanship, Lindsey Graham called for tougher sanctions against the Russians. Well, that didn't sit well with the president-elect, who has made it clear he will handle the Russians when he takes the Oval Office.


DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENT-ELECT OF THE UNITED STATES: Lindsey Graham, I've been competing with him for a long time. And he's going to crack that 1 percent barrier one day. I didn't realize Lindsey Graham is still at it. It's all right. I think Lindsey Graham's a nice guy, actually. I've heard that he's a nice guy, and I've been hearing it.

SEN. LINDSEY GRAHAM (R), SOUTH CAROLINA: Well, I think I'm a nice guy, too. I know I got 1 percent. Donald, you beat me like a drum; you're the president. I'm a senator. I want to help you. Let it go. Let's move on. And we're going to make America great again.


BOLLING: All right. We've got K.G. What do you think of this?

GUILFOYLE: It's good. It's fine. I mean, but you saw what you saw there? You saw the president-elect, like, take a moment and say, "I hear he's a nice guy." So he's kind of made the mention with a little bit of the tone from the campaign and then turned it into a positive. And then you saw Lindsey's response. So that's getting along.

BOLLING: Dana, again, it was over Lindsey and, I think, John McCain and a couple others, suggesting that they -- that the Senate ups the Russian sanctions even now, even before Donald Trump takes over.

PERINO: Well, OK. There is -- there are three branches of government. And everybody...


GUILFOYLE: Wait a second.

PERINO: I read it in my Great Points Journal.

GUILFOYLE: Come on. In the addendum.

PERINO: And everyone -- there's always a little tussle between the executive branch and the legislative branch.

BOLLING: Can we repeal that?

PERINO: I'm sure you want to now. Fight the Constitution we used to wave around.

GUILFOYLE: Where is that? Oh!

PERINO: If I were -- if I were Donald Trump, I would take Lindsey Graham up on it. Better to have him on your side.

BOLLING: OK, Greg, your thoughts?

GUTFELD: You know what? They have a lot in common. They're both -- they're both kind of wise asses. And -- and it's good to have -- look, Trump has a lot of supporters. It's good to have a guardrail of criticism, a rival -- a friendly rival there that will talk to you. And I mean, there are plenty of people that will tell Trump what he wants to hear. Lindsey provides a service by not doing that.

BOLLING: Juan-y?

WILLIAMS: At least we didn't give out his phone number. He did that before.

I just think there's a substantive argument here to be had. And of course, we're not talking about it. Instead, we're talking about a nonexistent rivalry.

BOLLING: All right. Let's do this one. President-elect Trump has promised from day one that we will build a wall. And what? Mexico (SPEAKING SPANISH). That means they'll pay for it. Mexican President Pena Nieto begs to differ.



GRAPHIC: It is evident that we have some differences with the next government of the United States, like this topic of the wall that Mexico, of course, will not pay for.


BOLLING: (SPEAKING SPANISH) Personally, I'm a big fan of Pena Nieto, and I also spend a lot of time in Mexico. But I think this wall will be paid for in pesos, not dollars -- Greg.

GUTFELD: I -- I think Americans should build it, and they should pay for it, because they should want to be part of history. It's like wouldn't you like to tell your grandkids, "See that segment in Juarez? I did that."

Or you can turn it into, like, an exercise vacation. You know when people go on fitness cruises? It's called the "build a wall" cruise. You go down there, and -- look, a lot of people go on these weird little cruises. I think this would be fun for the family.

PERINO: Would there be alcohol?

GUTFELD: There better be. The wall will be very crooked. But -- tequila.

GUILFOYLE: You would be so scary on a cruise. All neurotic and infectious.

GUTFELD: I hate -- I hate cruises.

GUILFOYLE: G.I. issues.

GUTFELD: They're the worst thing.

GUILFOYLE: He would be, like, the epicenter of patient zero of, like, a norovirus. I can see it now.

BOLLING: So you guys think Mexico will come around? Pay us back for the wall?

PERINO: I don't think that Pena Nieto is going to change his mind. No.


WILLIAMS: I think the last time I heard it, the Mexicans were saying it would be a monument to racism. That's what they feel.


GUTFELD: It could be a monument, a great monument. Not a monument to racism.

WILLIAMS: It would be a great wall.

GUTFELD: A wall-ument.

GUILFOYLE: We are separate countries.

BOLLING: Anyway, finally, this. Watch.




BOLLING: Hang on a minutes. K.G.'s favorite band, U-2, delaying their new album release. They say they need some breathing space to reassess after the Trump win.

GUILFOYLE: I'm in -- I'm in negotiations with Bono.

BOLLING: That was The Edge, who talked to Rolling Stone magazine, by the way.

GUILFOYLE: Right. Well...

BOLLING: I'm not sure why they did that, but anyway.

GUILFOYLE: What can I tell you? I mean, look, they're great guys. They do a lot of wonderful work in the world. So...

GUTFELD: Two things.

GUILFOYLE: ... they've got to come around.

GUTFELD: Two things. I wish it were Red-Hot Chili Peppers, a band that sucks.

Or you know what I mean? This is an excuse. It's like, "I -- we've just decided not to work because of Trump." I think it might be something else. Maybe they didn't like the songs or maybe the sound the album. So they're saying they're -- no, they're taking time off to work on the record. Don't blame Trump.

BOLLING: Or the lyrics. Maybe there were some lyrics in there that were basically geared towards a Clinton presidency.

GUILFOYLE: And by the way, one meeting up at Trump Tower with him, and they'd be singing in a different tune.

GUTFELD: Nicely done.


PERINO: U-2? No, I really don't have anything on this. Because I do think it's -- I didn't understand. They don't really give a reason. And I think it's probably because maybe they didn't like the album. It's not good enough.

BOLLING: That video looked great, though.

WILLIAMS: Yes, it did.

But no, they said, Dana, that the songs and the words would resonate differently in a world that's driven by Brexit and the election of Donald Trump. So maybe they're going to change it.

GUILFOYLE: They're retuning. I don't necessarily take it as a negative.

WILLIAMS: If they were done, they wouldn't be lazy about it.

GUILFOYLE: I don't take it as a negative.

GUTFELD: I bet they didn't like it. It's like "I'm not going to work because Trump won."

GUILFOYLE: Maybe it's because they still -- no, no, they still haven't found what they're looking for.

BOLLING: Or -- or it's the darn book deal you signed just in case Hillary was elected president.


BOLLING: Rewrite the book.

Ahead, Democrats have accused FBI Director Jim Comey of costing Hillary Clinton the election. Now the Justice Department's watchdog is investigating. We have details next.


GUTFELD: Not me.

WILLIAMS: After Hillary Clinton lost the election, she directed blame at FBI Director Jim Comey for his surprise letter to Congress, which she thinks derailed her presidential bid.

The letter informed lawmakers about a renewed email investigation just 11 days before the vote. Clinton ended up being cleared. Now the Justice Department's inspector general is investigating whether Comey followed appropriate policy and procedures. He's also looking into actions taken by Justice Department officials, as well.

So what do you make of this, K.G.? Is it possible here that Comey meets his end?

GUILFOYLE: Well, "meets his end"? I don't know if I like that term.

GUTFELD: It's impossible, by the way. I've tried.

GUILFOYLE: OK, that was weird.

Look, I think that it's not a good situation that he finds himself in. But I mean, ultimately, I think he's going to be able to manage to escape. Get out of it.

WILLIAMS: Is it complicated, Eric, by the fact that he didn't disclose anything about this dossier of unsubstantiated information about Trump, but he did disclose unsubstantiated information about Clinton?

GUILFOYLE: Well, that's specific.

BOLLING: Here's the take -- the altitude take away of what's going on. The intel department is on -- is in the news and on the news, making the news almost every day right now. Aside from the stuff from yesterday with the dossier, this morning, Clapper comes on and talks about how they had it and the explanation behind why they brought it to that briefing meeting.

Today we have the DOJ investigating, the inspector general investigating the FBI. These are the spy agencies. We want them undercover. We want with their actions are, we want it secret. I think we do want that.

WILLIAMS: The FBI? Don't you want them to be accountable?

BOLLING: You know, I don't want them on the news every day, Juan. I don't want to hear about a criminal investigation going on of the FBI.

WILLIAMS: That's right, but Comey -- Comey got involved in an election. That's why this is...

BOLLING: OK. Do you want to add something to it, then? Maybe they can investigate why the assistant attorney general, Peter Kadzik, gave a heads up email to John Podesta that there was an impending hearing coming and Hillary Clinton's emails may come up. I mean, maybe that's part of it, too. Maybe that's part of it.

WILLIAMS: In fact, that is part of it.

BOLLING: All right, but maybe that's a target, rather than Comey.

WILLIAMS: So Dana, when you look at this, do you think to yourself, there's big trouble ahead? Or do you think essentially, like, two years from now we'll hear about this and it was just pushed under the carpet?

PERINO: I worked at DOJ for a while. And I don't know -- I don't think this is that big of a deal. It sounds explosive, but I do think that they felt like they were pushed into it. Because when I read this, it says the chairman and ranking members of congressional oversight committee. So that means that you had both Republicans and Democrats asking for this, along with, as he says, various organizations in the office of inspector general said, "OK, fine. We'll -- fine, we'll take a look at it." I don't think they wanted to, but they sort of felt compelled to.

WILLIAMS: What do you think about it, Greg?

GUTFELD: What derailed her election, I would say that Comey was just one item in that grocery bag of things in the express lane of loss. There was the candidate herself, the dissent among the American public, her arrogance, Bernie Sanders, her arrogance, her voice, her arrogance, her being aloof, her laziness. She didn't even campaign, because she thought she had it won. It wasn't the emails.

GUILFOYLE: One more. You get nine in the express lane.

GUTFELD: Weiner, Anthony Weiner.


WILLIAMS: Oh, I see.

GUTFELD: And Trump.

PERINO: And her arrogance?

BOLLING: Russians?

WILLIAMS: I was going to say, how about the Russians -- thank you, Eric.

GUTFELD: There are so many things that contributed to her loss. If Comey wasn't there, something else would have fallen in place.

WILLIAMS: Oh, yes. Is not an excuse for Comey? I don't think so. I don't think.

Anyway, "One More Thing" up next.


PERINO: It's time now for "One More Thing." Juan goes first.

WILLIAMS: Well, there was an emotional scene at the White House today. We all recall Tuesday, when President Obama said that Joe Biden and he were like brothers. Well, today he surprised him.


BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATS: The final time as president, I am pleased to award our nation's highest civilian honor, the Presidential Medal of Freedom.


WILLIAMS: And Joe Biden, when you saw him turn around there, Joe Biden got emotional. Watch this.


JOE BIDEN, VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I don't deserve this, but I know it came from the president's heart.


WILLIAMS: Yes. Mr. Vice President, let me say for all of us here at "The Five," you deserved it, buddy.

PERINO: It's very unusual for a vice president after eight years to go out with this much popularity and groundswell of support.

GUILFOYLE: Wonderful for him.


BOLLING: We all agree with that.

GUILFOYLE: We all love him. What a great guy. Great family.

BOLLING: Congratulations to the Biden family.

GUILFOYLE: Congratulations.

BOLLING: OK. Update on this, the gross, disgusting painting that depicts law enforcement officers as pigs. Representative Lacy Clay had this to say.


REP. LACY CLAY (D), MISSOURI: On December 30, Mr. Eric Bolling of FOX News Channel, commentator, began a campaign to have this student's winning artwork removed. But I will fight to defend this young man's right to express himself, because his artwork is true for him, and he is entitled to that protection under the law.


BOLLING: And Paul Ryan today said that House rules cite saying artwork should not be sensationalistic or gruesome. He wants to get it down.

I'll tell you what, Congressman Ryan, if you do get it down, I'll buy that painting from the kid, from the artist. Not sure what I'll do with it, but I'll buy it from him.

PERINO: All right, Kimberly.

WILLIAMS: Watch you.

GUILFOYLE: Somehow, I think you're not going to, like, (UNINTELLIGIBLE).

BOLLING: It's art. I'll do something with the art.

GUILFOYLE: OK, fantastic. Let's talk about sugar, shall we?

So last night -- last night on "O'Reilly," he gave in his "Tip of The Day," talking about sugar. And I've had conversations with him about this, how bad sugar can be in your life. And so now there is a book by my friend, Dave Zinczeko, called "Zero Sugar Diet: The 14-Day Plan to Flatten Your Belly and Crush Your Cravings and Help Keep You Lean for Life." Everybody wants a lean, tight stomach. That's for sure.

So this is a really great book, and I think it's so important. I tried to do this with my son, too, that you don't have too much sugar in your life. This is something I think is going to work very well for people. And they did 700 test panelists. They were losing up to a pound a day on the zero sugar diet plan. I have it on my Facebook and on my Twitter. So I suggest you check it out.

GUTFELD: Why do you hate dentists?


GUTFELD: Is this an attack on dentistry?

GUILFOYLE: I don't hate...

GUTFELD: People stop eating sugar, there will be no dentists.

GUILFOYLE: I dated a dentist. I have very good teeth. Dentists really like me, in fact. Look.

GUTFELD: I was trying to get to the point where you admitted dated a dentist.

GUILFOYLE: Is that what it was?

PERINO: You get to go next.



GUTFELD: Greg's Disgusting News.


GUTFELD: All right, if you have any children in the room, I would advise you, have them leave now, because this is so disgusting it will make them sick. Deeply offensive.

This happened in the Portland Zoo. It was the first snow of the year in Portland. And that's a polar bear, Dana.

PERINO: Oh, thank you.

GUTFELD: And this happens to be a seal, not the navy kind, Kimberly. So hands off.

GUILFOYLE: Aw, shucks.


BOLLING: Why is this disgusting?

PERINO: What's this? Is that an elephant?

GUTFELD: Makes me sick that these animals are having so much fun in the snow.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, but I thought there was climate change.

GUTFELD: See, there you go. Well done. Way to bring it around.

PERINO: That's a callback.

All right. Mine is from "TIME" magazine. And I encourage everyone to check this feature out. They asked 12 White House photographers to reflect on their favorite pictures with the president. And they have a nice write- up. This is Ronald Reagan cracking up with several people, but Walter Cronkite is there. You see George H.W. Bush, as well. That was Diana Walker's favorite picture.

All the presidents, well, they asked 12, so they have 12 pictures. This is George H.W. Bush and Barbara Bush with all of the grandkids. And that was taken by David Valdes (ph).

Then you had George W. Bush. Eric Draper, the photographer for the White House for eight years for George W. Bush took this. He said it was his favorite one, because it captured the president.

And this is actually one of my favorites, as well. This is Pete Souza of the White House, where the little boy asked if he could feel his hair.

GUTFELD: He's always bowing.

We wanted to do the bowing joke.

WILLIAMS: Oh, my God.

GUTFELD: We couldn't resist it.

GUILFOYLE: There we go. Bow.

PERINO: Why would you ever miss an episode of this show? Record it every day. That's it for us. "Special Report" is next.

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