This is a rush transcript from "The Five," January 9, 2017. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.
GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Hello. I am Greg Gutfeld with Kimberly Guilfoyle, Juan Williams, Eric Bolling and she sleds in a snow globe, Dana Perino -- "The Five."
The Golden Globes had it all, if by all you mean self-pity, cleavage, and lame anti-Trump jokes:
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JIMMY FALLON, HOST: This is the Golden Globes, one of the few places left where America still honors the popular vote.
FALLON: The Game of Thrones is nominated tonight.
FALLON: The show has so many plot twists and shocking moments, a lot of people would have wondered what it would've been like if King Joffrey had lived. Well, in 12 days, we are going to find out.
FALLON: "Florence Foster Jenkins" is nominated. Florence has been dubbed as the world's worst opera singer. And even, she turned performing at Donald Trump's inauguration.
HUGH LAURIE, ACTOR: I will be able to say I won this at the last ever Golden Globes. I don't mean to be gloomy. It's just that it has the words Hollywood, foreign and press in the title, I just don't know what --
LAURIE: I also think that to some Republicans, even the word association is quite sketchy.
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GUTFELD: That's groundbreaking stuff. I get it: Humor is the best therapy for broken, emotionally fragile millionaires. This was basically a group hug after getting spanked in November. But their whine should not surprise us. It's like going to a county fair and bothered by the smell of manure. Hollywood is always about Hollywood. Hence, the stench of manure.
GUTFELD: Meryl Streep nailed it when she said everyone in the room, they are the most vilified segments in American society. Yes, they are the victims -- the deplorables, if you will. And who is vilifying them really? A few faint voices on the right, this is where Hollywood lets it slip show, revealing their tone deafness. They actually select themselves for the moral high ground, which seems kind of immoral given they strive to divide by saying this:
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MERYL STREEP, ACTRESS: Hollywood is crawling with outsiders and foreigners. If you kick them all out, you'll have nothing to watch but football and Mixed Martial Arts, which are not the arts.
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GUTFELD: It says arts, Mixed Martial Arts. Anyway.
KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: Oh, my God.
GUTFELD: Kick them out? The last time I heard Trump wasn't trying to deport the cast of "Girls" -- which we can dream. And don't worry, all the drug dealers in LA will still deliver because they will be safe. But it's the jab at MMA that sucks. Mixed Martial Arts is an art, Streep. It's in the damn title. And it's an art populated by more foreigners than the cats in "Mama Mia." The fists fly in from all over the place. But football and MMA were simply proxies for a certain America that she was mocking. But then after she did this, after knocking MMA, the Globes celebrate the 40th birthday of "Rocky." Now I forget, was that about opera?
And last, she bashes Trump. And on cue, Trump tweets back. This whole mess shows both sides of the argument. In movie terms, this is the trailer for the next four years.
ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: I can't wait.
GUTFELD: I know. I can't wait. I can't wait. By the way, what did we expect, Eric? I mean, it could have been worse.
BOLLING: The show or Meryl Streep?
BOLLING: I'm a big, big, big Jimmy Fallon fan, but I think he flopped. Little of his defense, he said his teleprompter didn't work at the top.
BOLLING: But he had you know more than enough material. He had every single celebrity in the world.
GUILFOYLE: We needed to have one.
BOLLING: We have a little malfunction in New Year's Eve, too. But you know we were seamless. We were professional. Anyway, I love them, Tina Fey, I like them as hosts. Last night, who stole the show? Steve Carell and.
BOLLING: They were fantastic. Getting to Meryl Streep now, I agree with you. She never -- when did Trump ever suggest kicking people out who were working here with visas? Never once did he do that. But what she did, Meryl Streep did last night, she took the Hillary moment. She bought Hillary down and she doubled down on the deplorables moments.
BOLLING: I'm going to tell you, 15 million people each game, every single weekend, hundreds of games watch football. And I'm not sure about the MMA audiences, but I guarantee.
GUILFOYLE: A lot.
BOLLING: The audience for football and the revenues for football outpace anything that's going on in Hollywood.
GUTFELD: You know, Kimberly.
GUTFELD: In 2003 -- good to see you, by the way.
GUILFOYLE: Nice to see you.
GUTFELD: She is going after Tom's behavior and saying this begets other behavior. She gave a standing O to Roman Polanski in 2003 at the Oscars when he won for The Pianist. I hope I'm saying it right.
GUTFELD: There's a level of hypocrisy in the sense that they are OK with their behavior, but they go after everybody else's behavior.
GUILFOYLE: Well, it's not a level. It's complete. It's utter hypocrisy. It is what it is. Nobody wants to be preached to. She has now officially ruined Abba and Mama Mia for me.
GUILFOYLE: No, really.
GUTFELD: I love that move.
GUILFOYLE: Me, too. So now, I can't take it back. I don't know. But it's just really you know a little bit of nerve there, getting up preaching, and just you know putting down over half of the country and saying it's really inappropriate, I think. I don't think she's made herself any new fans. Maybe the same like Hollywood liberal elite was tickled pink with it. Pink on purpose. But the rest of us are kind of like that wasn't so cool, not so smooth. Great actress. She should just stick to that.
GUTFELD: She's a fine actress, Juan. We will not say she is not.
JUAN WILLIAMS, CO-HOST: Wait, wait, wait, wait. But Donald Trump said she is not. He said in the tweet she's overrated.
GUTFELD: That is his go-to. Every time he gets ticked off, he says overrated, right.
WILLIAMS: I think she's great.
GUTFELD: He should have said you are no Glenn Close. That would have gotten right under her skin.
WILLIAMS: I can see that. I think she is a great actress. And the idea that he decides he needs to respond was so curious to me. I mean, this was a little bit like last week when he was responding to Schwarzenegger on The Apprentice. It seems like he decides this is really where -- to me, it is kind of bizarre. But I do agree with you. It looked so self-serving when Hollywood gets together and decides they have some political steak. Now, I will make one point. In her defense, I didn't think anything she said was wrong. He did go after a disabled reporter and mocked him. And that's not attractive.
GUTFELD: Yeah. It happened a year ago. He won the election. And a lot of us were upset about it. But, you know, we had to move on. President Obama made fun of the Special Olympics, too? Remember that? Bowling.
WILLIAMS: It's different.
GUTFELD: Dana, what was your favorite part?
DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: Your tweets.
GUTFELD: Oh, thank you.
PERINO: I was out last night, so I wasn't watching the show. The Packers were on TV in the restaurant I was at. I was following your tweets, so I can keep up with the Golden Globes.
GUTFELD: How about this? Did we just.
GUILFOYLE: His get better as the night goes on.
PERINO: They do.
GUTFELD: I have to check myself. Because I don't want to get too drunk, if there is such a thing, 2020, could it be Meryl Streep?
PERINO: No. But I do think they will try to see about running somebody from Hollywood. I think they are going to not understand the election. So they are going to think OK, we need star power, right? That's why my prediction about Al Franken wanting to set himself up to take on Donald Trump I think is accurate. I did think last night was utterly predictable. And it would be interesting if at some point either side would play against type.
PERINO: So either not react or say Meryl Streep, you are a great actress, no one is being kicked out if they have a legal visa. Look forward to working with you on all the problems of America. If Donald Trump had done that, it would have taken the wind out of her sails immediately. Instead, America is such a blessed rich country that we spend an entire day talking about this.
GUTFELD: Yeah. But you know, Eric, did you see Mel Gibson?
GUTFELD: This is so great because during the speech.
GUTFELD: Are we the only people here?
BOLLING: They might have been.
GUILFOYLE: This is a conservative table. There are four people.
BOLLING: The other thing is while all the speeches, and talking down to Middle America and what was going on, every single one of those tables, if you saw the shot, there was a shot of the champagne and the filet mignon steaks. It's very rich to say.
PERINO: That they don't eat.
BOLLING: How many hundreds of millions of dollars were being spent on this show to glorify themselves, pat themselves on the back?
GUILFOYLE: Because they are very fancy and very special. And they have to tell the rest of us want to think and how to act and how to behave because we just can't help ourselves. We just don't know any better.
GUILFOYLE: What did the producers say?
BOLLING: I don't know.
GUILFOYLE: You don't drink peanut of the night.
GUTFELD: That's true.
PERINO: Baby wine.
GUTFELD: Why are you attacking me?
GUILFOYLE: Taking a dig.
GUTFELD: You are attacking Middle America when you attack me.
GUILFOYLE: We can hug it out later.
GUTFELD: There's an upside to this.
GUTFELD: Let's go to the tape of Meryl Streep talking about how the press has to do their job, I guess, after eight years of not doing their job.
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STREEP: We need the principled press to hold power to account, to call them on the carpet for every outrage.
STREEP: That's why our founders enshrined the press and its freedoms in our constitution. So I only ask the famously well-heeled Hollywood foreign press and all of us in our community to join me in supporting the committee to protect journalists. Because we are going to need them going forward, and they will need us to -- to safeguard the truth.
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GUTFELD: So while she is calling for the protection of the Hollywood press, because we know that when they go on these trips to movies, they sometimes get indigestion from eating too much of the free food. And those goody bags are so heavy you could throw out your back. But the thin is what about the press during the Obama administration? She said she is going to hold Trump to the fire? What about Obama during that time?
WILLIAMS: I think people felt he was held to the fire. I know we did around here. But I mean the point is that in those circles, Hollywood, they loved Obama. I don't think they were as critical of Obama as they would like to see the press now being critical of Trump.
WILLIAMS: But you know again, I don't think anything she said is wrong. I think it's good to have a press that holds powerful people accountable.
GUTFELD: It's about time is what I'm saying.
WILLIAMS: I think, to your point, the critical differences someone who was solidly on the right, I don't even know if Donald Trump is solidly on the right, but someone who is not in their click in terms.
GUILFOYLE: But he is held accountable everyday. He gets hit hard all across the board.
WILLIAMS: When he said he could walk down Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody and get away with it, I think so far, it doesn't matter what he does.
GUTFELD: You have these people talking about Hollywood and how women are getting the chance to do this and do that. All I saw was cleavage. They objectify women. I think we have pictures. Maybe we don't.
GUILFOYLE: Is that called for?
GUTFELD: It was, originally. Every shot of every woman was showing everything. I'm going, they talk about like us objectifying women. They are the kings and queens of objectifying women. I guess they are not showing it now.
GUTFELD: A little late. This is Mandy Moore, right. By the way, I wear that when I go swimming.
GUILFOYLE: I know. I know. This is, so you know, it's the style right now. It will pass.
GUTFELD: Well, I am disgusted by it.
GUTFELD: Thank you.
BOLLING: The deplorables have weighed in.
GUTFELD: Not a single burqa on the red carpet. I think that's wrong.
GUILFOYLE: Is your block over yet?
GUTFELD: Yes, it is over. What are you thinking?
GUTFELD: Coming up, the suspected gunman in the Florida airport shooting rampage appeared in court today. New details about his past and his mental health when we return.
GUILFOYLE: New developments in the deadly shooting rampage at the Fort Lauderdale airport. The 26-year-old Iraq war veteran suspected of killing five people and wounding six others made his first court appearance today. Esteban Santiago faces three federal charges, two of them carry the death penalty, if convicted. Santiago did not say anything about his alleged motive or why he came to South Florida. This is a chilling surveillance video capturing those terrifying moments. This image from the video obtained by TMZ appears to show Santiago at the bottom left corner of your screen, pulling a gun from his waist, and firing multiple shots to fellow passengers in the airport's baggage claim area. Very distressing, Dana, to see this footage and just imagine the sheer terror and panic going to the people there and family members as you gather at a place you think you're going to be safe.
PERINO: Yeah. Hopefully the last thing on your mind is something like this. But then, you know, as I came to the airport this weekend, I thought about it this morning. I thought about how hard it took for those people to know what to do right away and how their lives will never be the same because they'll always remember that moment. God bless the people that are suffering today in terms of their grief of the people that were killed. And we understand there are still eight wounded, three in critical condition. The thing I thought about this weekend was that remember on 60 Minutes.
GUILFOYLE: As you were traveling.
PERINO: James Comey, the FBI director, did an interview and he said we have open investigations with ISIS-related ties in all 50 states, even Alaska. One of the things he said to 60 Minutes. Obviously, we don't know if this was one of them, but it's interesting when you have not a lot of detail yet, but you know he went to the FBI. You know he said the government is trying to control me and they are making me watch ISIS videos. There is a psychological evaluation. He is not adjudicated in the court, gets his gun back. The thing that amazing to me is that he planned this whole thing out, to go, to buy a ticket, to fly from Alaska through Minneapolis, to carry out something that he hatched in Alaska. I mean, it seems to me that it is certainly not spontaneous. So this was premeditated.
GUILFOYLE: Premeditated. There is specific intent to commit this crime with thought, you know, premeditation, and deliberation about what he was going to do and how he was going to achieve it. So Keating was on giving us reports, I asked him. I brought up the past criminal record and that he was given a deferred prosecution, you know, probation, instead of conviction. And then, this enabled him to get his gun back. Why did this guy have a gun, when he has these different criminal contents? It's certainly something we have to look into. Just a disturbing situation all around there, Eric.
BOLLING: And a loophole needs to be closed when someone who walks in to an FBI field office and says I have an inclination to watch ISIS propaganda. Every red flag should go up there. Number one, I think he should be able to pull his right, privilege to carry a firearm. Pull that. And number two, certainly put him on a no-fly list until his further evaluation.
BOLLING: It seems very simple. You know, you talk about a needle in a haystack.
BOLLING: The needle is this big in the haystack is this big. It's scary what can happen. How many soft targets we have and how easy it was for this guy to pull this off? How many more?
GUILFOYLE: There should be some kind of suspension, something like that, pursuant you know to an investigation, to make sure fitness and you know mental health, stability because all the sort of pieces were there.
BOLLING: Almost begging to be taken in into some sort of observation.
GUILFOYLE: Yeah, I mean, this just is not the system working well when you see something like this. Juan.
WILLIAMS: They did take him in. So the FBI got the local police who took him in for a mental evaluation, but he was not designated as somehow damaged. And therefore, not eligible to have a gun. Now, for me, as someone who thinks we need more gun control, I would say, of course, that person shouldn't be allowed to have a gun. But I think the people in the other side of the fence would take so in other words, the government is going to decide whether I'm mentally capable and sufficiently able to carry a gun around? I don't know.
BOLLING: I think it's not the government. The doctor.
WILLIAMS: The doctor, the government.
BOLLING: Conservatives will agree with that if someone is deemed incapable or shouldn't be carrying a firearm.
WILLIAMS: I'm all for it, but I just know that we can imagine the kind of paralyzing make no progress conversation. But last year -- I'm sorry, the year before, 2015, 2600 guns found in carry-on luggage which was a 20 percent jump from the year earlier. So more people think it's OK. It's cool to carry a gun on an airplane. I just think that is tremendously dangerous.
GUILFOYLE: Go ahead.
BOLLING: Two quick facts. According to John Lott, 60 percent of mass shootings during the Obama presidency, the killers were getting mental health treatment. So they got through. They got through. So the only solution, Lott points out, Florida is 1 of 6 states to ban guns in unsecured areas of airports. If these needles get through, it's up to us to stop the needles. That means you should be able to carry. But I want to commend them for exposing NBC. They did a segment where they created a timeline linking these mass shootings to military service. They went back like 20 years to find these things. And they grouped the shooters together based on military service and it included the Fort Hood terrorist. Sorry. It wasn't his military background that caused him to kill those people. He was a Muslim. He was an Islamist. He was a radical extremist. I don't think NBC would have done the same segment tying all of the shooters to Islamism. But they did it with the military. And the reason why they did it, they are fearful of being labeled Islamaphobic. Because they have no problem being labeled antimilitary.
PERINO: They don't worry about stigma against returning military.
PERINO: Because there's not a connection between PTSD sufferers and violence that they can draw a complete connection to.
WILLIAMS: Do you think you should get the death penalty? Because I hear that in fact.
WILLIAMS: No. If he pleads guilty, he can't get the death penalty. It's almost unheard of. I'm very curious. The feds are going to charge him.
GUILFOYLE: Plea bargains then are quite routine.
GUTFELD: Involuntary institutionalization is the solution.
WILLIAMS: I'm saying that if he pleads, he never gets the death penalty.
GUILFOYLE: If he pleads, he pleads to a life without possibility.
WILLIAMS: No death penalty.
GUILFOYLE: You just can't plead that. All right. Fascinating conversation. When we return, only 11 days until the inauguration. It appears president-elect Trump's first real fights, they're about to begin. A closer look at this week's cabinet confirmation hearings. Coming up next.
BOLLING: It's a big week for president-elect Trump's cabinet nominees. A marathon of senate confirmation hearings kicks off tomorrow. The GOP- controlled senate wants to move fast while some Democrats are promising a tough fight. Mr. Trump is expressing optimism about his cabinet choices.
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DONALD TRUMP, U.S. PRESIDENT-ELECT: They are going great. Confirmation's going great. I think they'll all pass. I think every nomination will be - - they are all at the highest level. Jack was even saying they are at the absolute highest level. I think they are going to do very well.
TRUMP: No, I think he is going to give way. High quality men.
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BOLLING: Meanwhile, the senate majority and minority leaders are already butting heads.
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MITCH MCCONNELL, U.S. SENATE MAJORITY LEADER: These procedural complaints are related to their frustration and having not only lost the White House but having lost the senate. I understand that, but we need to sort of grow up here and get past that. We need to have the national security team in place on day one, and papers are still coming in. And so, I'm optimistic that will be able to get up to seven nominees on day one.
CHUCK SCHUMER, U.S. SENATE MINORITY LEADER: Just spend an extra day or two on each nominee, even if it takes a few weeks to get through them all in order to carefully consider their nominations, that is well worth it. It is only fair that they are given a thorough and thoughtful vetting.
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BOLLING: So expect some political theater that Hamilton on Broadway will be proud of. Democrats huffing and puffing and blowing, but not enough wind power to block any of the cabinet nominees. Personally, for the sake of a safe, smooth transition, that shows the world we are united, the United States of America. How can the Democrats move these cabinet appointments through with the utmost urgency? How about these, defense, General Mattis, state, Rex Tillerson, homeland security, General Kelly, and CIA, Congressman Mike Pompeo? What about that? What about the very important defense and security positions sail through? We will worry about some of the other more controversial picks.
WILLIAMS: That's the argument coming from the Trump people. You need the security team in place. I think Senator McConnell said this yesterday on the talk shows, the question is, and this is the pressure coming from the other direction, Eric, there are a number of nominees who have not filed their papers. So you get the guy who runs I think it's the office of ethics.
WILLIAMS: Saying hey, this is unprecedented. They haven't given us the papers. We're under siege now to try to get many of these people through quickly, but we don't have the information. And we know there's lots of opportunities here for conflict of interest, because most of them are millionaires and billionaires.
BOLLING: Dana, one of the funny things about this is Donald Trump -- they were gutting the Office of Government Ethics, and then Donald Trump said, "Hold on. Don't gut that." And now the Democrats are saying, "Hold on. Let's get this."
PERINO: No, it's different. The Office of Government Ethics is for the executive -- for the federal government. What you're talking about is that the House had -- there's a special committee that was separate, and it was just for House members. And that's what they were...
BOLLING: Does it fall within the Senate? OK.
PERINO: Totally separate.
But anyway, I do think that Rex Tillerson is probably going to wow them. And I think that he will show himself to be quite a diplomat. There's some really good support for him all across the board.
I heard a great story this weekend about how when he was the head of the Boy Scouts, he was able to negotiate to make sure that -- that there wasn't a split in the Boy Scouts. Remember, there was a controversy a few years ago. So I think that he will surprise and win over some of the skeptics.
One of the questions I think that Republicans should definitely ask all of these nominees is how they might try to restrain their power. How might you try to return power and decision-making to individuals or to states? So that they're not trying to increase their kingdoms, but they're almost sort of trying to strategize how to get power back to the people.
BOLLING: Are we being fair? Are the Republicans being fair saying, "Let's move these through"? Meanwhile, did we give Obama a hard time in a way?
GUTFELD: I don't remember it being that hard of a time, but then again, a lot has happened since then. And I don't have much long-term memory left.
GUILFOYLE: Or short-term.
GUTFELD: Or short term. This is a delicate dance, though. You know? It's kind of like you don't want to over-dog the underdog. You don't -- if you go hard at one of these people, you will turn them into a victim, which is what happened with Oliver North. That's like if you go at them, all of a sudden, the audience will start liking that person. So you've got -- you've got to be balanced when you're questioning.
But I would never want to be interviewed. It's like a job -- it's a public job interview, and like, you never know what they're going to bring up. And it's like they could pull the worst thing ever, like a picture from your past. And it's like, I don't remember when that happens.
GUILFOYLE: I think 99 percent, you know, of his picks will sail confirmation. I think they're either very talented; they're qualified. I think, probably, Rex Tillerson will have a bit of a tough time in terms of, you know, the Democrats trying to go after him. I think he will withstand scrutiny. I think he's going to be extremely well-prepared and ready for whatever happens.
GUTFELD: He's an Eagle Scout.
GUILFOYLE: This is what I'm talking about, Greg. The kind of guy you want around.
WILLIAMS: But you know, people are going to ask him about his ties to Russia and Putin.
WILLIAMS: They're going to ask people -- you know, the guy wants to run labor says he's opposed to hiking the minimum wage. The guy who's running EPA, they're going to say, "Hey, you want to do away with EPA? You've been having corporations send letters that you signed that..."
GUTFELD: But he let gays into the Boy Scouts.
WILLIAMS: Rex Tillerson?
GUTFELD: Yes. The left has to be happy about that.
BOLLING: All right. We'll leave it here. Directly ahead, get ready, because it's Tucker time. Mr. Carlson joins us before moving to his new primetime slot right here on FOX News Channel, tonight. Stay tuned.
WILLIAMS: 2017 shaping up to be a year of big changes. One of the most exciting shifts of the year is happening in just over three hours from now. That's when one of our favorite FOX News shows, "Tucker Carlson Tonight," moves to 9 p.m. weeknights. And we're delighted to be joined by our friend, our good friend, Mr. Tucker Carlson, who has a preview of his big show.
Tucker, congrats, man. Just wonderful.
TUCKER CARLSON, FOX NEWS HOST: Thank you, Juan. It is great to -- we miss you in Washington, by the way.
WILLIAMS: I miss being there sometimes. I tell you...
GUILFOYLE: What are you trying to tell us?
BOLLING: Hey, make a deal.
GUILFOYLE: We know that.
WILLIAMS: ... before you tell us what's coming on the show tonight -- everybody's curious, because it's the big debut -- I was so amazed to see that Rachel Maddow sent you flowers?
CARLSON: Yes, she did. We worked together at MSNBC, you know, a long lifetime ago. We always -- we always got along. I don't agree with her politically. I haven't seen her show in a while, but I'm taking that on faith. But she's a nice person. And she's also at 9 p.m.
WILLIAMS: So what's coming up tonight? What are you doing tonight?
CARLSON: We've got -- well, Glenn Beck is opening the show. I haven't seen Glenn Beck in a long time. Glenn had a really interesting campaign year. I think he was on the road, as you know, with a candidate, with Ted Cruz, for months. And I want to ask him about it and what he's learned. And he seems to be going through a kind of political rethinking. And I'm always interested in that. so I think that will be a compelling interview, for sure.
WILLIAMS: Now, one of the nicest pieces that was written about your 7 p.m. show was written by one of my five colleagues, Mr. Greg Gutfeld.
WILLIAMS: Go on ahead, Greg.
CARLSON: I turned red when I read it.
GUTFELD: I'm always interested. Tucker is the least neurotic person I know. He doesn't have a worry in the world. I see him wandering the streets, usually in sweatpants, chewing Nicorette gum. He's embarrassing.
But anyway, I want to ask you. I want to ask you a question. When you're doing your show and you're having a meeting or whatever, are there things that you say to yourself "I'm not going to do"? Like segments or cliches? Like, if you look at the cable news atmosphere and you go, "I hate that. I'm never going to do that. I don't want to do that." You know what I mean?
CARLSON: Yes, I mean, I don't want to criticize other people's shows.
GUTFELD: I want you to.
CARLSON: No, no, not at all. There's just some things I'm not good at, and one of them is interviewing panels. I'm just not -- I'm just not good at it. You know, I always feel like someone is being left out. You said I'm not neurotic, and I'm not.
CARLSON: It's my 26th year of being married to the same woman, a very calm, stable life. But it makes me very anxious when I have two people on the set, because I always feel like someone is being left out. And so I really prefer to interview just one person at a time. I don't know if it's better TV or worse TV, but I'm definitely more comfortable with it.
WILLIAMS: Dana. Now Dana, Tucker is a guy who, I think, has written that he -- Trump was not his first choice, but he's now going to take on a key slot here at FOX at a moment when Trump is becoming president.
PERINO: One of the things I love about Tucker's show is when I get home, I get home in time to watch the panel and I watch Tucker. And we've talked - - I've seen you talk about driverless vehicles, Air B-N-B, guns. I mean, you're leading the show with something that is not necessarily what you would see on any other show. And I love that.
I also feel like you're the most curious person I've ever known. Like everything interests you. And there was a -- I wanted to pass on a compliment to you, so...
CARLSON: That's my ignorance, by the way.
PERINO: Bill Kristol, who I saw this weekend, said that you are -- one of the first jobs you had in journalism was writing. And he said that you are a hell of a writer. And we know that from following you. And I wonder if you could tell us, now that you spend most of your time communicating through television, what do you read? What's the most important thing that you read in your life that helps you prepare for the show?
CARLSON: I mean, by far, the most important thing I do every day is have lunch. I have a long lunch every day, six days a week. No, I'm serious. Someone new every day. I have, you know, two-hour lunches every day. And I get up early to do that, and I go to bed late to do that. I make that a priority, because I want to talk to interesting people.
I talked to someone today, a very sort of well-known liberal reporter, interesting person and had a great time and learned a lot. So that's -- I never skip that. I always have a long lunch.
WILLIAMS: Here's an interesting man: Eric Bolling.
BOLLING: Hey, Tucker, a little observation. And it's amazing the niche you've carved out in a very short period of time. So this segment where you'll bring on someone, a liberal or an educator who will say something provocative. And it really doesn't matter, you know, how small of a venue they're doing. Sometimes it's even a provocative tweet. And you'll bring them on, and you will -- and you're so good at it. You eviscerate them. But how do you keep getting them to come back on? It's amazing. You have some great bookers.
CARLSON: We have the best bookers, and we're booking nontraditional guests. I mean, not people who are, you know, waking up and putting on a tie with the expectation of going on TV. We have the best bookers. That's one.
Two, I try to let them talk. I mean, sometimes I get frustrated, and I start barking; and I try to keep that under control. Doesn't always work. But I really try to let the person say what he or she has to say. And I think, you know, people sort of figure, "Well, I have to deal with this unpleasant guy on TV, but I get my message out to an audience of an awful lot of people on FOX, so maybe it's worth it." I don't know. Maybe there's -- I'm not really sure.
WILLIAMS: Get ready to get in the penalty box with the toughest of the tough, Ms. Kimberly Guilfoyle.
GUILFOYLE: Oh, no, but we have love fest. You can't get anything from "FOX & Friends" together, and...
CARLSON: That's for sure.
GUILFOYLE: ... that's when I see him, you know. Part of your fantastic show every week.
So I agree with Bolling. I love the debate segment. It's so fascinating. And last week when you did the debate about Obamacare, and he was very into it. He said, "That was great for the American people," and he wanted to already come back on your show. I think it's a real credit and testament to how you treat people, the questions you ask, that you give them the time. And you're really giving back incredible value to the American people, because they're hearing both sides of it, but you never lose your cool. You always have a very good sense of humor about it. So at the end, you know, both sides are kind of smiling and enjoy it and, I think, learn something. So that's a real skill set that you have.
CARLSON: Well, thank you. I mean, I try to. I have lost my cool a couple of times and you know, there's nothing worse than getting mad on TV. You look like a jerk no matter what. So I really try.
Most people are actually pretty nice, and I live in D.C., where everyone's insane, politically, so it's not like I don't have friends I disagree with. In fact, I disagree with everyone I know, pretty much. So I'm used to it.
GUILFOYLE: But in an affable way.
CARLSON: I like people.
WILLIAMS: Are you going to have the lady from Teen Vogue back?
CARLSON: That was the time I lost my temper.
WILLIAMS: I thought so.
CARLSON: Sorry. I shouldn't have done that.
WILLIAMS: You're all right. You're honest.
Tucker, thank you so much and good luck tonight.
CARLSON: Thank you, guys. Great to see you. Thank you.
WILLIAMS: You're welcome.
Coming up, across the world of sports, we've seen professional athletes protest the national anthem, but for the cowboys in the Professional Bull Riders Association, it's the exact opposite. Up next, Dana and Kimberly give us a peek at how they are honoring this flag and this country.
PERINO: On Friday night, Kimberly and I put on our cowgirl hats and were made fun of, but we headed over to Madison Square Garden here in New York City for the highly-anticipated professional bull riders event, or PBR, as we call it. It's as Americana as you can get. They pray before the event and have even implemented a pledge for every rider to stand for the national anthem. We spoke to bull rider Shorty Gorham, who was the man behind the pledge, about what inspired him to show so much patriotism for Old Glory.
SHORTY GORHAM, BULL RIDER: We grew up in the western industry, and we're very proud of what America affords us. And we saw some things going on that, you know, didn't really sit well with us, and talking to the guys in the locker room.
PERINO: Like what?
GORHAM: You know, these guys taking a knee on the national anthem.
Talking to the guys in the locker room, everyone was passionate about it. So we got together and we wrote a pledge and vowed that no matter what country we are in and performing in, we're going to stand up and honor their flag and their country. And we had all the Brazilians sign it. We had the riders from Mexico, Australia. Everyone signed it. And we even had stock contractors and a lot of the crew came in and asked if they could sign it. so it was a really big deal. It was pretty cool. And I think it's neat to see a group of guys that' so passionate about this country.
PERINO: So K.G., that was your first PBR. Did you love it?
GUILFOYLE: I loved it. Once you go PBR, you never go back. Right? Boom. I loved it. I thought it was fantastic.
PERINO: The patriotism, you can feel it. In the whole arena.
GUILFOYLE: It was wonderful, because we have to deal so much with everybody needing, like, a time out, a safe space, microaggression, putting down the country, wanting America to take a knee. This was, like, patriotism and love of America and God and country all in one place.
I found it to just be, you know, a really wonderful experience. And thanks to you, because you arranged for us to be able to be there. And the people that we met were really incredible.
PERINO: Faith, family, and fun. That's what it was all about -- Eric.
BOLLING: It's a great event, by the way. If you get a chance, bring the kids out, bring the family out.
Also, come check out the bulls. You have an opportunity to check out the bulls prior to the show. It's amazing, the strength and size of these animals. They are also athletes.
GUILFOYLE: They call them animal athletes.
BOLLING: Yes. Massive.
PERINO: Have you ever been to one, Juan?
WILLIAMS: Yes, I have been to one. And there's a famous one up in Oregon that my daughter -- my daughter is a big fan of this kind of stuff.
But you know, I'm listening to you guys talk about the honoring the flag and all that and I'm thinking, so there's country music and professional bull riding. Is that some segment of kind of the entertainment marketplace?
WILLIAMS: Is that like -- That claims to have all the patriotic fervor?
PERINO: I don't know. I actually think it's natural.
WILLIAMS: Good, good. But I just think other sports are patriotic. But I just -- some people...
GUTFELD: Name one.
WILLIAMS: Football. Don't like football...
GUTFELD: Thank you, thank you. How ironic. These guys are riding bowls, and Colin Kaepernick is full of bull.
WILLIAMS: There you go.
GUTFELD: There you go, champ.
GUILFOYLE: We brought that up.
GUTFELD: By the way, Meryl Streep would say this is not art form (ph).
GUILFOYLE: But then again, what does she know? Because I'm telling you, when you get there and you're up close and personal, like we were -- and more on that tomorrow. Right? In the shark tank. You really have such tremendous respect for what goes into this. And so many of these people, they've been doing this. They grew up. They're real cowboys, doing this since they were young boys.
PERINO: And their fitness regimen.
GUILFOYLE: Is incredible.
PERINO: And we'll have the winner of the whole thing. We found out what his dietary regimen is. Every single day, he eats a certain thing.
GUTFELD: What is it?
PERINO: We're going to tell you tomorrow. Don't miss our show tomorrow night. Kimberly and I had a great time at the PBR. We're going to have a whole package about it tomorrow, so don't miss it.
"One More Thing" is up next.
GUTFELD: It is time for "One More Thing" and time for this.
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GUTFELD: Greg's Commuter News.
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GUTFELD: You know, a lot of people don't realize the best way to commute, to save gas and to save energy, is not to ride a bike or to jog but actually just to roll gently.
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GUTFELD: Here we have on the beach, we have Leo DiCaprio discovering a new way to save on carbon emissions by simply relaxing and then just gently rolling down the hill. There you go.
You can actually get where you want to go so much faster if you roll.
BOLLING: A little energy. A little energy.
GUILFOYLE: Oh, my goodness.
GUTFELD: Must go downhill at all times, though. It doesn't work uphill.
PERINO: When he looked up, he thought, "Oh, my God."
GUTFELD: He knew it was like -- "This is a mistake."
BOLLING: "I can't stop; I have no arms."
GUTFELD: "I have no arms. I can't stop."
PERINO: He's armless.
GUTFELD: I'm going to stare at Kimberly while we go to Dana.
PERINO: OK. Tomorrow on our show here, we're going to have Bret Baier. That's a good thing, because he has a new book out. This is it. It is called, "Three Days in January: Dwight Eisenhower's Final Mission."
You would not believe the accolades of this book. David Eisenhower, the grandson of the president, former president, says, "It is the best book on Eisenhower. The best book written about a presidential speech to appear in a very long time." You have accolades from Tom Brokaw, Clarence Page, Michael Beshloff (ph), the historian.
So congratulations, Bret. The book is out tomorrow. It's called "Three Days in January: Dwight Eisenhower's Final Mission." So you'll see him here on "The Five."
GUTFELD: He didn't use my thing on the back, when I said, "This is pretty good"? Thanks, Bret. And I actually read the book. Not like these people.
GUILFOYLE: Didn't you also do the -- reading the Facebook about it?
GUTFELD: Yes. Anyway, OK, Kimberly -- Kimberly is wearing something.
GUILFOYLE: Listen, this is not easy to balance this perfectly on your head.
PERINO: Well, you're doing it well.
GUILFOYLE: Also it's quite heavy. But it's time for...
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GUILFOYLE: Oh, yes. Kimberly's Royal News.
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GUILFOYLE: What? Gave it away. Was it the crown?
GUILFOYLE: So I want to wish a very special happy birthday to the duchess. Kate Middleton is 35 years old.
GUTFELD: She can't hear you, Kimberly.
GUILFOYLE: Oh, my God. She celebrated privately with her kids, with Prince George and Princess Charlotte, which is very nice. And so you see her there.
She's really sweet, Greg. You should really give the royals a chance. She's going to return to work in London...
GUTFELD: They don't need a chance.
GUILFOYLE: ... on Wednesday as she attends her first public engagements of the new year.
So and this also was my Christmas, my secret Santa present from Juan Williams. There you go. Isn't that sweet?
BOLLING: Very nice, very nice.
GUILFOYLE: I can also balance a beer bottle and a beer can on my head.
PERINO: We'll see that tomorrow on the show.
BOLLING: It's called depth. It's called range.
GUILFOYLE: I know.
BOLLING: OK, so what do you call -- I think we coined this term here, an area, a time period of low wage growth, subpar GDP and millions of Americans who have left the workforce? We called that Obamanomics. So maybe we'll coin a new term now, and we'll call it Trumponomics.
So check it out. Alibaba today announced that they are going to keep or create about a million jobs in America. Over the weekend, Fiat/Chrysler talked about 2,000 jobs and a billion dollars in investment. Carrier. Talked about Ford, Carrier, IBM. Look at, tens of thousands of jobs, hundreds of thousands of jobs. Multibillion dollars' worth of investments in America. I'm going to go out early and call this one Trumponomics.
GUILFOYLE: Boeing, up 35. You're going to need to get a bigger board.
WILLIAMS: Low unemployment. Stock market almost up 2,000.
BOLLING: Great jobs. Investment in America.
WILLIAMS: Yes, yes, yes.
BOLLING: Make America great...
WILLIAMS: As I would say, thanks, Obama.
WILLIAMS: All right. So one of America's great journalists died over the weekend. Nat Hentoff, best known as a jazz writer, passed away at the age of 91. In 2004, he was named a jazz master by the National Endowment for the Arts, the first non-musician to win that honor.
What made Nat so special to me, it was that he loved the Constitution as much as he loved jazz. He was always willing to challenge the left and right when they were shutting down free speech, attacking political correctness among feminists who didn't want to hear people with anti- abortion views, or college students who didn't want to hear right-wing people on their campus.
You should also know that Nat Hentoff was the winner of a national press freedom lifetime achievement award, and when he was asked, you know, students would ask him, what makes you tick, Nat Hentoff? He would simply say rage. Rage at all the people who don't want to hear something they don't agree with.
So Nat Hentoff, mazel tov. You are one of the best, buddy.
GUTFELD: One of the great pro-lifers of all time and left-wingers.
WILLIAMS: Yes. That's what I said.
GUTFELD: All right. Set your DVR so you never miss an episode of "The Five." That does it for us. "Special Report"...
GUILFOYLE: Hold it up.
GUTFELD (HOLDING UP BRET BAIER'S NEW BOOK): ... with Bret Baier up next.
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