Gingrich: Trump was willing to describe reality; Spicer: We have a healthy and vibrant party

This is a rush transcript from "Hannity," December 21, 2016. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

ERIC BOLLING, GUEST HOST: Welcome to "Hannity." President-elect Donald Trump is reacting to the terror attack in Germany.

I'm Eric Bolling, in for Sean.

Tonight, Newt Gingrich will be here with reaction in just a moment.

But first, the president-elect earlier today was asked about his plan to fight radical Islamic terrorism and the Berlin Christmas market rampage.  Take a look.


PRESIDENT-ELECT DONALD TRUMP: You know my plan all along (INAUDIBLE) 100 percent correct. What's happening is disgraceful.


TRUMP: (INAUDIBLE) an attack on humanity. That's what it is. It's an attack on humanity, and it's got be stopped.


BOLLING: Joining us now with reaction is the author of the best-selling book "Treason," former speaker of the House and Fox News contributor Newt Gingrich.

Mr. Gingrich, thank you for joining us. So the world is getting scarier and scarier by the day. Is it -- is it great timing that we have a President Donald Trump coming into the office?

NEWT GINGRICH, R-FMR. HOUSE SPEAKER, FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR: Well, I think it's necessary timing. I think the American people in part voted for him because they felt that the liberals did not have any solution and that they wanted somebody who was going to be honest objectively about the assault on Christianity, about the assault on the humanity, about the viciousness of our opponents.

And Trump was willing to knock aside all the political correctness and describe reality in a way that the average person sees every night on television.

And I might put in a very brief plug, Eric, for my book, "Treason," because the policeman in Ankara who shot the Russian ambassador was a perfect example of what I've been warning about. Here's somebody who's in the security system, loyal to the other side, who engages in killing somebody in a very disruptive and very important act who only got in the room because people thought he was part of the security force.

BOLLING: So Speaker, we have the Christmas market attack. We have the attack you just point out in Turkey. What is this? Is this the timing?  Is this the -- the jihadists are specifically targeting big groups. clearly, Western, infidel, clearly, but also Christians?

GINGRICH: Well, they're clearly targeting Christians. Remember also that in Jordan this week, in a much less reported example because it wasn't in Western Europe, the police uncovered a group of terrorists. They had a running fight. The terrorists fled 30 miles to a crusader castle which is a tourist attraction. Three tourists were killed and seven policemen killed while the four terrorists were also killed. One of them was a tourist from Canada, a woman from Canada.

So you had three fairly significant attacks, and then this doesn't count all the local violence that we're so used to in Syria, Libya, Somalia, you name it.

But also notice the deliberate targeting of a Christmas market and the kind of confused response of Chancellor Merkel, who is responsible for letting a million refugees into Germany and now is faced with the fact that they've had a series of assaults now in Germany from refugees. This is the latest (INAUDIBLE) I think they now believe that it's a Tunisian.

And you know, these things are going to keep going on. This is the second attack using a truck.


GINGRICH: We should expect more attacks like that.

BOLLING: But Mr. Speaker...

GINGRICH: And we're in a -- we're in a war with...

BOLLING: Well, they are. I mean, the Germans have said, We're at war with radical Islam, with terror, I should say. But what about here in the United States? We've seen a massive increase in the number of refugees that we're allowing into the country, almost 400 percent increase from Syria alone. President Obama is bringing in -- has been bringing in more and more refugees every year. Are we just becoming an open target for similar types of attacks?

GINGRICH: Well, look, if you're a liberal, part of the liberal elite, you're not allowed to think clearly about any of this because it's politically so incorrect, so you have to pretend it's not true. I mean, you have attacks that are clearly refugees and immigrants in places like France, Belgium, Germany. You'd think there's a lesson there for America, but the Obama administration was incapable of learning it.

It's part of why Hillary Clinton lost. I think people had a deep instinct that she didn't understand the reality of these new threats, she wouldn't do things to meet them.

Trump's very different. He's assembling a very professional team. You look at people like General Mattis and General Kelly and General Flynn.  These are first-rate people dealing with these kind of issues. And I think we're going to see a very significant shift in the American attitude towards dealing with terrorism around the world.

BOLLING: All right, Mr. Speaker, let's pivot a little bit. President Obama announced a couple of initiatives, some as recently as today, that are going to end up costing the American people quite a bit of money. Some of them are -- they're environmental initiatives, the EPA rules and regulations, some of the off-shore drilling bans that he's put on, permanent bans in off-shore drilling.

Tell us how an incoming President Donald Trump should handle all these initiatives with 30 days left in President Obama's term. How do you handle dismantling some of those?

GINGRICH: Well, I think you issue executive orders repealing them. You issue orders for your cabinet to not enforce them. You tell the Interior Department secretary, Pay no attention to that.

The Congress has an ability to go back in an act that we passed when I was speaker, and they can review anything that was done in the last 60 days of an outgoing administration and they can repeal it.

So I think you'll see a cooperative effort between Senator McConnell and Speaker Ryan and President Trump and Vice President Pence to go through those sort of things.

You know, Obama is sort of paying off every left-wing ally he has, and then when we roll back, they'll have good campaign fodder for 2018. But I think the country understands you're not going to create jobs by doing the kind of job-killing regulations and job-killing government involvement that Barack Obama stands for.

BOLLING: Yes, according to the American Action Forum, some of these new initiatives could cost $5.1 billion in more than 350,000 paperwork burden hours alone.

Again, this is with 30 days left before he leaves the White House. What is the plan here? Is he trying to cement some sort of legacy, an environmental legacy?

GINGRICH: Yes. I think he's trying to do two things at once. He's trying to say to all of his left-wing allies, Look, I'm really you. Look at all the good things I'm doing. And he is setting up a whole series of fights where the Republicans repeal these things, and that gives them a whole new argument politically with their left.

I mean, it's very clear the Democrats learned nothing from the election, and not just the defeat of Clinton, but the fact that there are now more Republican state legislators than any time in the history of the Republican Party since 1854, the fact that there are 35 Republican governors, that there are 25 states in which the legislature and the governor are Republican, the fact that we kept the Senate, we've kept the House.

None of that seems to be sinking in. And what you're getting is an increasingly strident left-wing party whose primary battle cry is anti- Trump. And that's the road to being a minority for a long time.

BOLLING: What -- what -- what lies ahead for President Obama? I mean, he clearly -- he's young. He's going to be active. He's going to be very political. What is it? Is it some sort of -- I don't know, some sort of Clinton-type group?

GINGRICH: Who knows?

BOLLING: I mean, Clint's -- Clinton's already carved out that environmental space. Can he compete with them?

GINGRICH: Well, look, I -- I -- I mean, who knows? I think, you know, president Obama's talented speaker. He's got tremendous allies around the world on the left. I'm confident that people like George Soros will be thrilled to work with him and put him on a board. So it depends on how much they care about money.

Obviously, we learned that Bill and Hillary Clinton cared very deeply about money and did all sort of things for money. I don't know that that's going to be true of President Obama and of Michelle Obama. You know, they're very different people from the Clintons. So I think we'll have to wait and see. I think he's very young. He has a long career ahead of him.  Michelle is very young. The two of them could be very active as a couple for, you know, another 30, 35, 40 years. And we have no idea what that would be like.

BOLLING: So he can run for another office, he just can't run for president again. What about Michelle Obama? You think she runs for...

GINGRICH: No, he's not -- he's not going to do that.


GINGRICH: If you've been president of the United States for eight years, there's probably no office you want to run for, except maybe secretary- general of the United Nations.

BOLLING: OK. What about Michelle Obama?

GINGRICH: She says she doesn't want to run. She's obviously a very strong woman. And again, it's a little hard to know. You know, I don't think until people stop and they realize how long the time horizon is, and they start saying, Gee, what are we going to for 10, 15, 20, 25 years? Then you think differently.

I hope they'll take some time off. My good friend, Lamar Alexander, when he lost the governorship after eight long years as governor, took his family to Australia for year. And they wrote a book about it later. But they just spent a year seeing Australia, relaxing, getting to know each other again. I think he would tell you it was one of the best years of his life.

And I think -- in some ways, I hope that the president and Mrs. Obama will take some time to just relax, to recognize that whether we like them or dislike them, they had a truly historic achievement and that they have a lot to reflect on, a lot to be grateful for, and hopefully, they'll take some time with their daughters and just unwind a little bit. This has been a long eight years.

BOLLING: Certainly has. Certainly has. All right, thank you, Mr. Speaker.

GINGRICH: Thank you.

BOLLING: Coming up -- Hillary Clinton's campaign still can't get over the fact that she lost to Donald Trump. We'll show you her latest excuses and complaints.

And the RNC's Sean Spicer will be join us for reaction.

Plus, Germany suspects a refugee is behind the Christmas market terror attack, but that isn't stopping President Obama from dramatically increasing the number of migrants coming into the U.S. Dr. Sebastian Gorka and Ric Grenell are here later to weigh in.

That and more as "Hannity" continues.



BOLLING: Welcome back to "Hannity." President-elect Trump is just weeks away from being sworn in as the 45th president, but many liberals are still playing the post-election blame game, and one of their favorite targets is FBI director James Comey.

Yesterday, Clinton campaign press secretary Brian Fallon went on a Twitter tirade against Comey after the FBI unsealed court filings related to its renewed probe of Hillary Clinton.

Fallon tweeted in part, quote, "On a day when new election data freshly suggests decisive impact of Comey letter, it is salt in the wounds to see FBI rationale was this flimsy. And yes, campaign made errors, especially in Wisconsin and Michigan, but Comey must account for his actions, too, given how unsupported we now see they were.

Joining me now with reaction is RNC chief strategist and senior communications adviser to the Trump transition, Mr. Sean Spicer. Thanks for joining us.


BOLLING: So -- so all I've heard -- all I've heard since the election was it wasn't Hillary's fault!


SPICER: I know. I know.

BOLLING: It was the Russians. It was Comey. It was...


SPICER: They're on step eight of the 12-step program. I think they, hopefully, can get through this before the end of the year. Look, they were expecting a coronation. They had the fireworks out. They didn't understand what was going on in America.

And I think it's difficult to overcome that kind of loss when you were expecting it to turn out vastly different than it did. So I understand it.  But at some point, for the good of themselves, for the good of their party, they need to look in the mirror and understand that they had a flawed candidate, a flawed campaign, a flawed message.

BOLLING: Yes. What is the flaw there? I remember four years ago, your group, Reince and yourself, put out a GOP autopsy. And we thought, What's going on with the GOP? Is it a dead party going forward? Here we are four years later, all of a sudden, GOP's flourishing across the board -- Senate, House, White House, state legislatures...


BOLLING: ... governors' mansions. And the Democrats are going -- Wow, we need an autopsy report.

SPICER: Well, there's two things. One, we at the RNC under Chairman Priebus's leadership put the infrastructure there, the technology, the ground game. And then Donald Trump brought the message and the candidate.  And when combined, you can't stop that. That's an unstoppable force. The problem...


BOLLING: We heard you didn't have a ground game.

SPICER: Right! And apparently, we did. But we kept (INAUDIBLE) we did.  I think for a lot of folks in the liberal media, they just insisted because Hillary Clinton was a lot of talk, they didn't believe what we were selling. I think we proved everyone otherwise.

To your point, there's not much left to win on the Republican side. We've got control of the state legislatures, the governors, secretary of states, all the way up to the presidency. I think we're a very, very healthy and vibrant party. Donald Trump breathed new life into the party, which was very helpful and motivated the base. It got people excited. But they have a problem.

BOLLING: And 2018 looks great for the GOP.

SPICER: Right. I think we're going to continue to pick up seats. And I think it's that not just the political part, but when you see the actions, what Donald Trump's going to do day one, the first 100 days, the first year...

BOLLING: What is it?

SPICER: It's going to be the stuff...

BOLLING: What's he going to do?

SPICER: He's going to talk and -- repeal and replace ObamaCare, focus on infrastructure, put American jobs first. Everything that he's going to do -- buy American, hire American. There is going to be renewed focus on the American worker, the American business, the American taxpayer that this country hasn't seen.

BOLLING: What's this business about President Obama throwing some regulation -- last-minute -- last-minute regulation on America? Thank you very much, Donald Trump, here's an anchor, grab it. I know (INAUDIBLE)

SPICER: Well, and I think it just means it'll be 30 days now before we have to undo some of those things. But I understand -- look, he's got 30 days left, President Obama, and he's going to try to do everything that he's got left on that list of his. Luckily for the American people and the American businesses, Donald Trump's going to come in and bring that much needed help that they have been looking for for a long time.

BOLLING: How does a Trump campaign see (ph) when a president on his way out, 30 days before he leaves, throws a permanent ban on off-shore drilling, some drilling on federal -- permanent, not just until he's gone!

SPICER: Well, everything that's been done, there are ways to undo it. And I think he's -- President Obama is trying to do what he has to -- what he wants to do in the last remaining 30 days.

But I think Donald Trump's not -- I mean, we are going to make sure that on day one, the focus is back where it should be, on making sure that we have economic growth, on job creation, renewing a system of health care that puts the patients first. So there's going to be real change and the end of business as usual is going to come on January 20th.

BOLLING: Back to liberal politics. Are we done with the Clintons now for a while?

SPICER: Oh, I think so. I don't -- look, they -- they lost on election day. Then they helped fund all these recounts. They lost the recounts.  They lost votes to Donald Trump through their efforts. And then they funded this effort and got behind this effort for the Electoral College, and she lost five electors, three to Colin Powell, one to Faith Spotted Eagle and one to Bernie Sanders. So everything that she's done in the last 40 days has gone backwards from what she tried to do.

So I think at some point for the greater good of themselves, they've got to start to understand that they lost this election because of their failed message, not anyone else's. All this stuff that they want to blame on everyone else -- it wasn't Jim Comey that put a secret server together. It wasn't Jim Comey that sent classified information on that server. It wasn't Jim Comey that did everything.

She's upset because she got caught! And I think at some point, they've got to realize that it was their actions and their words and their failed message that cost them.

BOLLING: I got one final question before I lose you here, Sean. The world's getting -- every day, it's a more dangerous place.

SPICER: That's right.

BOLLING: I would personally like to see President-elect Donald Trump and President Donald Trump participating in those daily briefings. Am I crazy?

SPICER: He is getting a briefing every single day for his national security team. He got the presidential daily brief this morning. He was with a whole host of admirals and generals. This idea that he's not getting briefing is patently false. Every single day, his national security team is 100 percent briefing and making sure that he's up-to-date on every threat that our nation faces.

BOLLING: That's very, very comforting. I'm glad we straightened that one out. Sean Spicer, thank you very much.

SPICER: Thank you.

BOLLING: Coming up -- while authorities suspect a refugee is behind the Germany terror attack, the number of migrants President Obama is letting into the United States is exploding! We'll show you the shocking statistics. And we get reaction from Dr. Sebastian Gorka and Ric Grenell.



UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, one month from today, Donald Trump will be inaugurated. He's nearly finished with his cabinet, and outside national security, the billionaire president has surrounded himself with billionaires.


BOLLING: Liberal media is finding a new way to attack President-elect Donald Trump with claims that members of his cabinet were too successful in the real world! Anthony Scaramucci from the Trump transition team is here next to respond.

All that and more as "Hannity" continues.


BOLLING: Welcome back to "Hannity." While Europe is reeling from what appears to be a terrorist attack carried out by a refugee, here at home President Obama is doubling down on his efforts to offer asylum to migrants. According to brand-new statistics, the president is drastically increasing the flow of refugees into the United States with total resettlements up 77 percent over the same period last year, including a whopping 390 percent increase in the number of Syrian refugees entering the country.

Joining me now with reaction is the author of "Defeating Jihad: The Winnable War" Dr. Sebastian Gorka, as well as Fox News contributor Ric Grenell.

Dr. Gorka, we'll start with -- 390 percent just from Syria alone. The total number looks to be somewhere around 110,000 refugees. I think our audience is going to be fairly shocked at the number of refugees coming into the United States in total.

SEBASTIAN GORKA, "DEFEATING JIHAD" AUTHOR: As they should be, especially when we are told by the FBI that we cannot vet people coming from active war zones where there are jihadi organizations like ISIS, al Qaeda.

What's even more disturbing, earlier this year, Eric, the Senate -- one of the committees in the Senate published a report based on Department of Justice figures that looked at who is actually executing terrorist attacks in America after 9/11. We've prosecuted 580 people in America since 9/11.  Two dozen of them had refugee asylum status. Thirty-three people were here illegally on visas that had expired. And they're from all the obvious places -- Yemen, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq.

This is a no-brainer, Eric. This is a threat that is real and is already harming Americans.

BOLLING: Now, Ric, have we learned nothing from Germany? Have we learned nothing from the Bataclan in Paris? Have we learned nothing from Nice, France, that sometimes, if you're bringing in refugees, sometimes they radicalize, self-radicalize or get radicalized from the Islamic terrorist groups and they become dangerous?

RIC GRENELL, FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR: Well, certainly, the Obama administration hasn't learned the lessons. And look, let's be honest. Europe hasn't learned the lessons. I'm still concerned when I look and I see throughout Europe and specifically in Germany just what's not happening. I'm amazed that governments aren't responding. If you're living in Europe and you're seeing this unfold, you're seeing that a gentleman has eight different names and was on a target list, but yet is slipping in and wreaking havoc and part of this, you know, radical Islamic terror network is unfolding across Europe, and your government is not responding appropriately, I think this is a big problem.

We need to learn the lesson of what's going on in Europe by saying we've got to slow down. ISIS has already said, Eric, that they are trying to take advantage of Europe's refugee crisis. So let's take that clue and let's slow down the process. Let's get it right. Let's work with the United Nations who, when you have a situation like Syria where refugees are flooding out, the U.N. is first on the ground. They're the ones that are supposed to be looking at these refugees and deciding, Are they legitimate?  Are they true? Are they going to other countries?

We have to be able to get this right. And when I say we, I don't just mean the United States. I mean every government in the world. We should be able to work together and figure this out.

BOLLING: Dr. Gorka, please help me out here. We're talking about extreme vetting. How, however, can you extreme vet someone who hat comes from a country like Syria when there may be no employment records, with no school records, no criminal records? It doesn't matter how much time or how thoroughly you vet these people, if you don't have the information to start with, aren't we going to get bad actors?

GORKA: There's only one way to do it, Eric. So my parents were refugees.  They escaped a communist dictatorship and they arrived in a refugee camp in Austria with nothing, no money, no documents, nothing.

So how were they allowed to settle down in Western Europe and how was it that they proved to the refugee camp offices that they're not members of the secret police or agents provocateurs? How?

Through an extensive series, weeks of counterintelligence interviews, whereby their story had to stand up 10 times, 20 times until they convinced that national security professional that they are not a threat to the nation they want to live in.

We don't have the manpower for that. We are already trying to track down 900 ISIS cases across America. The idea that we're going to sit down with 50,000, 100,000 refugees and have each one be interviewed for weeks on end is never going to happen. That's why Mr. Trump's moratorium on war zone refugees makes sense.

BOLLING: And Ric, I'm looking at the numbers, 110,000 refugees we're going to admit in the United States. Let's just say we're 99 percent effective.  That's 1,100 terrorists that we could be letting in. Let's say we're 99.9 percent effective. That's 110 would-be killers of Americans!

GRENELL: Well, look, I don't think that we are compassionless. If we look at someone who has no records, they have no, you know, marriage certificates from the Damascus city hall because Damascus city hall is burned down, if you don't have proper documentation, I don't think that that means that we compassionately have to let you in.

I think that means that you don't get in because you don't have the proper identification. You don't have the proper information. I don't think that that is, you know, a moral hazard. I think that it is the right thing to do.

It certainly is a product of war. It's a terrible thing. And that's why we go back to the original problem when the Syria crisis was unfolding.  That's when you have to try to solve these issues.

We're now six years past where many of those refugees who have been living in tents are frustrated. And you can't blame them for wanting a better life. But I think that the international community has to do a better job in the very beginning to solve these problems so that once you can solve their problems, they go back to their original country. That's where they have family. That's where they know the language. That's where they want to go.

BOLLING: All right, so Dr. Gorka, we're pointing a finger at Syria, but frankly, Syria is not the only issue here. I'm looking at the numbers -- Somalia actually put more -- we took in more Somalian refugees than we did Syrian refugees. Iraq -- almost the same number. We're talking several hotspots, some people -- some places that are frankly very dangerous places. We're taking a lot of people from these countries.

GORKA: Eric, you know why? Because we haven't had leadership in the world for eight years. There are now 65 million displaced persons in the world today. That's more than we had after World War Two because these are the - - this is the price of having a world destabilized by jihadi groups like ISIS, al Qaeda, al Shabaab in Somalia.

This will all change. Come January 20th, there will be leadership. And as Mr. Trump has said, it is much better on the long run for everybody, us and the refugees, to keep them in the region, to protect them, to provide safe zones and aid and to keep them close to the homes that eventually they have to go back to. That's common sense.

BOLLING: We got to leave it right there, guys. Thank you very, very much.

Coming up next right here on "Hannity"...


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, one month from today, Donald Trump will be inaugurated. He's nearly finished with his cabinet, and outside national security, the billionaire president has surrounded himself with billionaires.


BOLLING: The liberal media doesn't get it. They are now criticizing president-elect Donald Trump's cabinet for being too successful in the business world. Anthony Scaramucci from the Trump transition team is here next to respond.

And later --


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: First off, try to recognize that America was never great for anyone who wasn't a white guy.


BOLLING: And TV news is under fire for releasing a video slamming, quote, "white guys." Sheriff David Clarke and Larry Elder will join us for reaction. That and much more straight ahead on "Hannity."



PRESIDENT-ELECT DONALD TRUMP: I believe we are in the process of putting together one of the great cabinets. Certainly a cabinet with the highest I.Q. that anybody ever -- I mean, these are seriously great people.  I think it is going to be one of the great cabinets ever, ever, ever.  Leaders and titans of industry, art, sports, science are reaching out and want to find ways to help.


BOLLING: That was president-elect Donald Trump promising to assemble a cabinet of CEOs and business leaders to help clean up Washington. Of course the out of touch mainstream media thinks that's bad thing. Take a look.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: One month from today, Donald Trump will be inaugurated.  He is nearly finished with his cabinet, and outside national security, the billionaire president has surrounded himself with billionaires.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Critics like Senator Bernie Sanders say Mr. Trump's choices fly in the face of his populist campaign message.

SEN. BERNIE SANDERS, I-VT.: You don't want to appoint a cabinet of billionaires to be taking on the establishment.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Having millionaire and billionaire cabinet secretaries is not unprecedented. They tend to attract at the treasury and commerce departments. Neither President Obama nor President George W. Bush had single billionaire in their first cabinet.


BOLLING: Also tonight president-elect Trump names businessman Carl Icahn as special adviser to the president on regulatory reform, and economist Dr. Peter Navarro to head the White House national trade counsel.

Joining us now with reaction is the author of "Hopping Over the Rabbit Hole," Trump transition team executive committee member Anthony Scaramucci.  Anthony, good to see you, my friend. I'm in favor of very, very successful people like yourself and some of the people that Donald Trump has named to his cabinet, I'm in favor of them heading this big corporation government that we have called America.

ANTHONY SCARAMUCCI, DONALD TRUMP TRANSITION TEAM EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE: I would love to see the left have the headline the hatred of billionaires and American success stories is over, but that's not going to happen, unfortunately. For some reason they think, Eric, by pitting classes against each other that that's a good political device.

But I can tell you that I'm the product after middle class family as I know you are because I read your great book "Wake Up, America." And so for me, I would tell people that message from the top here is we want to hire the best people, the most talented people in each one of these areas to help the people of the United States. And a lot of the billionaires referenced are classic American Horatio Alger success stories where they built themselves up from middle class origins to where they are today, Eric.

So for me I want to see a restoration of that where working class families have those aspirations for their children and grandchildren, and if we get the policies right, Eric, we can do that for every American. And I'm very excited to have the opportunity to be a part of this election process.

BOLLING: You know what very successful business leaders have in common?  They know a good deal and they know a bad deal. And they know when to walk away from bad deal and they know how to cut the fat. If they are overemployed in certain areas and they need to move some employment from there to here or even cut employment in certain situations, they make the whole unit, the entity, bigger, better, and healthier.

SCARAMUCCI: I completely agree with that. I would add a few more things.  There is no political vindictiveness. There is commonsense in terms of the orientation. There's problem solving. There is a practicality to the response to things. The president-elect himself has called for a problem- solving presidency, one that's practical. One that's talking about bringing clean water back it Flint, Michigan, as an example. One that is talking about giving families great school systems where their children, no matter what the zip code of the child is, they get into a great school system, Eric, and they get the opportunity that we want all of our children to have.

So what I don't get about the left, and it is very puzzling to me why they don't like rich, successful people. I don't understand. I think it has something to do with they think that rich people have gotten there through a nefarious way, and that is not true.

BOLLING: Or on the left they think people who are successful are successful at the expense of other people who may not be as successful.  That is not necessarily the case. As you know, a rising tide floats all boats and all levels of the income spectrum.

SCARAMUCCI: I complete agree. There is a lot of criticism of right- leaning billionaires. The left-leaning don't get hardly any criticism. In some ways they get beatified.

But here's what I would tell you. If you're adding to the society and you're creating a lower cost product and you're delivering a terrific service to somebody and there is billions or millions of people that want that service, and that makes you rich, and now you are participating in the American tax system and you're creating jobs and you're helping other families pay their health care expenses, there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. I really hope that the future of Trump administration stands for that, a beacon for success, a beacon for the American dream, and a message to people that grew up the way you and I grew up, which is that you can be successful too.

BOLLING: Imagine you're just starting a new football team, you're starting an expansion football team. You want to put the best athletes on the field. If Tom Brady says, I've been at New England for a long time and I'm going to walk away and try something new, and you can get a Tom Brady and you can get another quarterback, guess what? Take the quarterbacks. We're fortunate in America to have some of the biggest business titans in the world to work for America.

SCARAMUCCI: And they want to do it, and they don't want any pay for it.  That's the other brilliant thing about these guys. Eric, I guess Bernie Sanders wanted us to go to Craigslist and look at names on Craigslist for these big jobs. But you know something, the president-elect is trying to hire the best people, the most talented people in America. He's got a diversified cabinet -- African-Americans, women, there will be more diversity to this cabinet going forward. But these are exceptionally talented people, and I think it will speak volumes to the way he's going to cover the country, Eric.

BOLLING: One of the big questions out there and a lot of push back from the left is Rex Tillerson. From 20 years in the oil industry, I know this man. He's a superstar in the oil industry. But the question is and the concern is that over the years, since he has been CEO of Exxon, he has become close to Vladimir Putin. Should this be a concern? Just tell us about that relationship.

SCARAMUCCI: Well, in so many different way webs Rex Tillerson is an Eagle Scout. If you know anything about the character test you need to go through to become an Eagle Scout, this is the typical, quintessential American man who is going to protect America and think about American interests. So the nonsense he is friends with Vladimir Putin and that would mean that somehow the Russians could curry favor again the interest of the United States is absolutely nonsensical.

The president-elect picked secretary of state designee Tillerson for a lot of different reasons, but here are the two most important ones. He knows he has the skill set, the verbal dexterity, the diplomatic skills, and the geopolitical understanding of the world to get the job done. And the second reason, and this something I really love about president-elect, he knows that secretary of state designee Tillerson cares about the interest of the American people and he knows that we need to have global harmony and global peace. But we've got put American interests first. So we are delighted here by that pick and we know he is going to do a terrific job.

BOLLING: And what people need to realize is that, as CEO of Exxon, Rex Tillerson was in some 200-something countries. Our State Department was in some maybe 120 companies, which means he has a relationship with a far wider expanse foreign leaders. I think that would be an asset.

Anthony, I got to run. Thank you very much. Appreciate having you on tonight.

SCARAMUCCI: Merry Christmas, happy Hanukkah, best to your family.

BOLLING: And you as well, Tony. Talk to you soon.

Coming up.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: First off, try to recognize that America was never great for anyone who wasn't a white guy.


BOLLING: Outrage is building after MTV News put out that video lecturing white men. Sheriff David Clarke and Larry are here next with reaction.  That and more as "Hannity" continues.  


BOLLING: Welcome back to "Hannity." Outrage is grown after MTV News posted a video on its Twitter account slamming, quote, "white guys." Take a look.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hey fellow white guy, it is about to be a new year.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And there's a few things we think you could do a little bit better in 2017.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: First off, try to recognize that America was never great for anyone who wasn't a white guy.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Can we all just agree that black lives matter isn't the opposite of all lives matter? Black lives just matter. There is no need to overcomplicate it.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Also, blue lives matter isn't a thing.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Cops weren't born with blue skin, right? I mean, man, they weren't born blue.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Stop bragging about being woke. Stop saying woke.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Learn what "mansplaining" is, and then stop doing it.


BOLLING: MTV News has since taken the video down. We reached out to the network for a statement and they told us, quote, "After careful consideration MTV News has determined that the video does not meet its editorial standards and has been taken down."

Joining us now with reaction is nationally syndicated Salem radio host Larry Elder and Milwaukee County Sheriff David Clarke. Sheriff Clarke, we're going to start with you. Blue lives matter is not a thing. I beg to differ with MTV. Do you, sir?

SHERIFF DAVID CLARKE, MILWAUKEE COUNTY: First of all, what does MTV have against white people? I don't have anything against white people.  Specifically, I don't have anything against white males. What I use to determine whether I like somebody or not is not the color of their skin, it's not their religion or things like that. It is if they talk stupid or hateful, then I will make a determination I don't like them.

This white people bashing, the American public, the voter I should say, this past November spoke up. They've had enough of it. The white male has been bashed continually by the left and by the Democrat party, rose up in November, went to the polls. They've had enough of this crap too. It is time for the country to come together, that identity politics was crushed on November 8th, and it is time.

And Donald Trump, he said it within the last couple of days again. He said you may not have voted for me, but I'm going to do everything I can to make sure you are part of the American dream and a part of the success we're going to have. That is the Gettysburg type address that I talked about that Donald Trump needs to make upon assuming the presidency on January 20th.

BOLLING: Absolutely.

Larry, so I coined this victimization propaganda. MTV is very good at it.  The left is very good at developing this propaganda. And again, the victim, playing the victim card, always.

LARRY ELDER, SALEM RADIO NATIONAL SYNDICATED HOST: Well, that is right.  And there are two groups you can malign in this country and ridicule without any kind of pushback, and that's black conservatives and white males, as Sheriff Clarke just now pointed out.

And what's interesting about this is one of the speakers said that just because you have black friends doesn't mean you're not racist against black people. Let's talk about that. There was a Rasmussen poll a few years ago. They asked blacks, Hispanics, and whites, of the three groups, which one is the most racist? Whites said blacks were more racist than the other two, Hispanics said blacks were more racist than the other two, blacks said blacks were more racist than the other two.

Regarding anti-Semitism, about 12 percent of the country is anti-Semitic but about 36 percent of blacks are. And regarding Hispanics, there was a Duke study that found 60 percent of Hispanics felt that there were, quote, "few or any blacks who weren't lazy." So where is the MTV video with resolutions about blacks and Hispanic racism against other groups? It is ridiculous.

BOLLING: Sheriff Clarke, Larry pointed something out. And I have to ask you this. It's a very provocative comment because people are going to push back on it. Can African-Americans, can blacks be considered racist?

CLARKE: Of course they can. If you look at Al Sharpton, look at Obama, look at Eric Holder. I can go on and on in identifying those that are black racists.

But here is the thing. This country has been great to me. When that clip was played it said America has only been good to people who are white. No, America has been great to me. I've been able to reach my full potential.

But I've been raised not to view everything through the lens of race. When I look at you, Eric, I don't see a white guy. I see a TV host. That's how I look at things. And I think the more we get back to that and the more that Donald Trump who reached out to the black community, I was ecstatic when he did, and he kept it up. He didn't just stick a toe in the water.  Donald Trump was sincere that life in the American ghetto for black people is horrible. Many of those cities are run by liberal Democrats.

So it's time for the country to come together. I know it's going to be a tough thing to do. The liberal media is going to continue to undermine this president, this future president, and smear him and all of the people associated with him. But it is high time in this country for everybody to push back against this hateful ideology coming from the left.

BOLLING: Larry, same question to you. Can African-Americans and blacks be considered racist?

ELDER: Of course they can. Are you kidding me? As he pointed out, you've got Al Sharpton who has made all sorts of statements against white people and against Jews. What about Reverend Jeremiah Wright. My goodness, of course they can be racists.

But the point is that racism is no longer a major problem in this country.  If you get an education, invest in yourself, don't make bad moral mistakes, you can make it in America. If my father could have, his biological father was a janitor growing out in the Jim Crow south, literally was kicked out of his house at age of 13, became a marine, started a small cafe, and built a cafe and retired in comfort. If he can do it, anybody can do it in America.

BOLLING: Sheriff Clarke?

CLARKE: We have a chance with when Donald Trump is sworn in as 45th president of the United States to sincerely experience a post-racial presidency. It did not happen under Barack Obama. I believe it will happen under Donald Trump.

BOLLING: Do you, Larry? A lot of people are saying the opposite might happen. They're concerned that Donald Trump -- again, but let's go back to what the actual numbers was in the election. African-Americans voted for Donald Trump at almost the degree that they voted for Mitt Romney plus John McCain combined. And Hispanics, Donald Trump outperformed almost every estimate among Hispanics.

ELDER: That's right. Despite all the experts, despite the alleged racism that he had against blacks and Hispanics, he got a higher percentage of the Hispanic votes than Mitt Romney did, higher percentage of the black vote than Mitt Romney, way higher than John McCain did. And of the 700 counties that voted for Obama in 2008 and in 2012, he flipped a third of them. So I guess the third of them contracted a case of racism in 2016 that they didn't have in 2012?


BOLLING: Sheriff Clarke, I guess, you know that comment, what have you got lose? It really resonated. Quick thought?

CLARKE: Big time, big time. He has a message of inclusion that resonated with all Americans. Make America great again resonated within the black community. Sure, the Democrats, it's going to take some time for these numbers to flip in terms of the monolithic black voting pattern for Democrats, but I believe Donald Trump has already begun to chip away at it.  And if he continues that it's going to spell doom for the Democrat party.

BOLLING: Gentlemen, you know what I see when I look at you guys, I see a great law enforcement officer and a great radio host. Thank you very much.

ELDER: Thank you very much, appreciate it.

BOLLING: Larry Elder and Sheriff Clarke.

Coming up, tonight's "Question of the Day" is next. Stay with us.


BOLLING: Welcome back to "Hannity." Time for tonight's "Question of the Day." After the terror attack in Germany should the U.S. be taking in more refugees? Head over to Facebook.com/SeanHannity and Twitter and let us know what you think.

That is all we have time for left this evening. I'll be back tomorrow night filling in for Sean. Don't forget to catch "The Five" every weeknight at 5:00 p.m. eastern. We'll see you back here tomorrow night.

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