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US response to terror in focus after Berlin truck attack

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," December 1, 2016. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: Hello everyone, I'm Eric Bolling along with Kimberly Guilfoyle, Juan Williams Dana Perino, and Greg Gutfeld. It's 5 o'clock in New York City and this right here is "The Five."

A massive manhunt is still under way for the terrorist or terrorists responsible for yesterday's horrific attack in central Berlin. A driver plowed through a crowded Christmas market killing 12 and injuring nearly 50 others. ISIS has claimed responsibility. Today, German officials released the man they initially had in custody due to insufficient evidence.

President-elect Trump was quick to issue this response to the terror. He said quote, "ISIS and other Islamic terrorists continually slaughter Christians in their communities and places of worship as part of their global jihad. These terrorists and their regional and worldwide networks must be eradicated from the face of the earth."

National security expert, Dr. Sebastian Gorka has this warning for Americans.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SEBASTIAN GORKA, NATIONAL SECURITY EXPERT: The front line in this war is when you leave the house in the morning or whether you're going to a Christmas party in San Bernardino, whether you're going to a Christmas festival in Germany or whether you're going to a Marine Corps fun run in New Jersey. This isn't World War I, this isn't World War II. It's not far away. It's not some trench in the middle of nowhere. It is right here in America and in Europe and all Americans need to be aware.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BOLLING: KG, one of the other startling things that president-elect Donald Trump used those words that the White House has failed to use for eight years, Islamic terrorists.

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: Right. I mean, what are we so afraid of? How are we going to fight terror if you actually can't even embrace and use the rhetoric in the right way and apply it to the exact terror that's being committed? And that's part of the problem here. There's been a disconnect and it's been felt in our intelligence community and it's been felt in the men and women that serve abroad, that are in the theater working on this each and every day, and the Special Forces unit and the operators that are there trying to make this happen.

So, this is something that -- and it's very sad to see this during the Christmas time and the specific targets here of all of the different aspects of what's going on and you see really just a drastic juxtaposition between president-elect Trump's approach and the approach for the past eight years of Barack Obama's administration.

BOLLING: Dana, Isis very quickly took responsibility for it. Are we now -- do we believe this was an ISIS inspired terrorist?

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: Well, I'll let the government tell us that but I do think that ISIS is basically claiming responsibility for it even if they didn't know because what we know from some of these terrorists that have struck in places when they were acting alone, is that they were radicalized somehow online. And so then I think ISIS comes back on the back end.

I don't think there are phone calls or direct reports saying go and do this at this particular Berlin market. What they've said is basically let yourselves go out there and be the terrorists that you can be, wherever you are, with whatever you can use at the time. In this case, it happened to be a truck.

And beyond the rhetoric, I also think that the change that this next administration has the opportunity to do is to start a conversation with the western civilized world and even in the region, to say we have been avoiding dealing with the core radicalization aspect of the problem of ISIS. We have been trying to shrink their territory in Iraq and Syria and to some extent I think they have been successful there.

But those military solutions are not dealing with the core radicalization aspect and until the world decides that we are going to do that and we're going to put resources and muscle behind it, I don't think this is going to stop because you can use a weapon with anything that's around that is available to you to attack groups of people who are just gathering in order to go Christmas shopping.

BOLLING: NYPD stepping up their measures in New York, Chicago, L.A., five or six other cities have their stepping up and warning their citizens to be careful in public places.

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: That's because terrorists are, you know, they have the luxury of all the time in their lifetimes to think of innovative ways to kill us. That's not just their hobby. That's actually their vocation. So this was a derivation of 9/11. A passenger hijacks plane, steers into building. Passenger or person hijacks truck, steers it into the market. So they just adjusted what they normally do because they can't do what they did before.

What's comically predictable in a lot of these stuff is people in the media seems still more concerned with retaliation than innocent civilians murdered. So you're seeing backlash takes precedence over the bloodbath people complaining about it. But we have to realize, and to your point, about what do you do? Terror isn't state versus state. It's progress versus depth (inaudible).

So you have to realign your thinking and you're facing agents of destructions who believe that a worldwide apocalypse is preferable to being alive. It's all based on the idea of their heaven. So that's the core idea, that's the germ of this, the root cause. The root cause isn't American imperialism. It's the idea that if you do this act, you go to heaven and you have nirvana. We have to go after that idea and destroy that idea and we destroy them.

BOLLING: Now, Juan, I noticed you were a little upset when I asked KG the question about the White House failing to use Islamic terror, the words together for the last eight years.

JUAN WILLIAMS, CO-HOST: I just -- I find it's a tired argument. I mean it's like, you know, President Obama said, so OK, let's use the language. Does that change any of the realities on the ground? Does that change our strategy? Does that put more people in the theater to fight Islamic terror? Answer, no.

GUTFELD: But if your argument could be used in reverse, then do it. If the language has --

WILLIAMS: No, because in reverse what it does is it says -- and this is exactly what not only President Obama but you've seen Republicans say this as well, it would in fact then say to people in the larger Muslim world, this is a western war against all of --

GUTFELD: I don't mind that though. I don't care how people take our argument because the fact is they shouldn't be dictating how we think. So what if it helps ISIS. We're supposed to be killing ISIS.

WILLIAMS: No, no, we're talking about helping ISIS. We're talking about who are we fighting.

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WILLIAMS: They don't seem to me --

GUILFOYLE: Don't accept that.

(CROSSTALK)

WILLIAMS: That's not my point. In fact, if we could aggravate, irritate, elevate, get them out of here, ISIS, I'm all for it. The question is about the larger -- let me finish -- so the question is about the larger Muslim world, which is a huge world and actually we want their cooperation in fighting ISIS and that's the greatest point --

BOLLING: So why not claim that group that are the Islamic terror?

WILLIAMS: They're nobody --

BOLLING: Let the rest of the greater group say those are the bad guys.

WILLIAMS: They are.

BOLLING: Well you got to name them then.

WILLIAMS: No, it doesn't. You don't have to. But anyway, I don't think this is the point. Allow me to make the point that I think is on the table here today, which is I think that this is an argument over refugees and I think --

BOLLING: Can we do that? I'll let you do this because this is actually topical. There are initial reports that the market attack suspect was a refugee from Pakistan but it's still not clear who is responsible for the massacre regardless. Europe has a deadly refugee crisis on its hands and so could America if we keep admitting refugees from Muslim countries we cannot vet. The State Department, however, keeps downplaying the threat.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

JOHN KIRBY, SPOKESPERSON, STATE DEPARTMENT: Before we start, you know, getting way ahead of ourselves on refugee policy, we need to let the investigation take its course. Look, here in the United States, we have been very, very careful about the vetting and the introduction of refugees into this country.

Less than 1 percent of the refugees that we've taken in over the last 20 to 30 years have had to leave the country for violent behavior, whether it was extremism or not.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BOLLING: Now, some would push back on that though.

WILLIAMS: Tell me.

BOLLING: I mean a lot of people would push back on that. That the refugee program is not going to be a problem. Isn't a problem or is not going to be a problem.

WILLIAMS: Well, it hasn't been a problem so far, so the question is this. You see in Germany where Merkel, by the way, is up for re-election and what we heard today is the German far right, the populous right in Germany saying these are Merkel's dead, which is like a blood -- oh, my God, they're blaming Merkel for what happened yesterday.

Now, we do know that the suspect was released and he was a Pakistani who had just come in, I think late last year. We don't know what the real suspect is so far and I think that's why we are right to be cautious and wait until the investigation --

GUILFOYLE: The reason --

BOLLING: I'm sorry, KG, let me bring in Sana. So, Juan points at Angela Merkel, 760 or 780,000 of the 1.4 million refugees that Europe has taken in have gone through Germany.

PERINO: Well, I think that is a conversation worth having but it is not necessarily directly related to the case we're talking about in particular in regards to Berlin. So, I think that Admiral Kirby was right to say well, let's wait. I can agree that there might be problems with the vetting and the Syrian refugees -- we can agree with that.

But until we know because if they arrested a Pakistan -- if they brought the Pakistanis and they realized, oh wait, this isn't the right guy -- what if you find out like we did in Orlando it's an American citizen who was self-radicalized, and that gets back to my point that until you deal with the core radicalization issue, you are basically doing -- you know that whole thing of this is exactly what ISIS wants.

This conversation about what to call them and to talking about Syrian refugees, this is what ISIS wants because it prevents us from actually coming together to figure out a way to deal with radicalization on a wholesale basis.

GUTFELD: Nobody wants to talk about what causes radicalization though because it affects all religions, you know, saying that there's a better place than this is what leads to that. By the way, the political ping-pong that you see is the left will say it's anything but Islamic in origin and the right will use it to justify anti-immigration policies. The problem is that there is -- you can be somewhere in the middle there. If maintaining your nation's security -- if anybody portrays maintaining your security as intolerant, that is a risk.

It is not bigoted to want to have a safe country, to want to have strong borders, to want to have quote, "extreme vetting."

BOLLING: KG, ISIS has promised as recommended, and by the way, people are listening to what they recommend. IED --

GUILFOYLE: They're following through on it on their literature and online.

BOLLING: They said use the refugee program. Infiltrate the refugee program.

GUILFOYLE: Well, they told us that but then it's (ph) sad that we don't want to take them to their word and despite evidence, you know, to the contrary, they're in fact doing it. They're doing what they say despite people not wanting to believe that intelligence that we're getting.

We saw it evidenced here and the reason why the far right in Germany are upset is because of this open door migrant policy until letting in since 2015 over a million migrants and this is just juxtapose to now what president-elect Trump is saying, which is yes, let's do the extreme vetting.

Let's be compassionate, let's be humanitarian but let's make certain who we are allowing in so we don't make it easier for terror to funnel directly through into our country.

WILLIAMS: And so my point when I brought this up was, look, this is an argument that's being now introduced into the American conversation about refugees. We're using the German incident. And the fact is, there have been several incidents in Germany where you could. They haven't had any mass attacks but they've had several incidents, remember the incident at New Year's Eve where there were a group of refugees who harassed women. And so --

GUILFOYLE: Also crime.

WILLIAMAS: Let me finish my point.

BOLLING: -- terrorist, refugees from Syria that went through.

WILLIAMS: Yes, yes, yes, but I'm talking about what happened in Germany in specific here. And what I'm saying is I think Americans, especially Americans who were opposed to the immigration policies of President Obama, and by the way, as KG pointed out, Germany has let in about a million. The United States, less than 10,000 and still you have people in the United States saying this is terrible.

The front page of the "New York Times" this week, a wonderful story about a Syrian girl in Canada and all of the support and normalization, how you would get people to assimilate. United States, we have money put in and we do vetting but we don't have similar programs and yet we say we are a beacon to the world. We will take in your tired, your oppressed, and that's the best of America.

GUILFOYLE: But now you're radicalized.

GUTFELD: It is that depths (ph) of America. However, this is a new world. The battlefield is earth. So we have to -- we can't live in a bubble and think this is the same it was in the 1700s and 1800s.

WILLIAMS: No, but do you know that people on World War II said the same thing about Jews, right.

GUTFELD: Right. But it wasn't Americans who were saying that.

WILLIAMS: Yes. We didn't let in the holocaust people fleeing the holocaust --

GUTFELD: Because that was wrong (ph).

WILLIAMS: Because we said they were a bunch of commies. We don't know who's coming in here.

GUTFELD: But OK, now I realize how you screwed me up here. You were comparing victims of the holocaust or fleeing the holocaust to radical extremists.

WILLIAMS: No, no no. Most of the people fleeing Syria are not radical extremists.

GUTFELD: Well, what we're trying to do is stop radical extremists.

WILLIAMS: And there I'm with you --

GUTFELD: You're comparing that to me saying no to Jews.

WILLIAMS: No I'm not.

GUILFOYLE: The problem is you're vetting process. We don't know who some of these people are, Juan, because there aren't sufficient means to be able to identify and specify who should come. I mean one of --

BOLLING: There are some of these refugees who have committed terror. We know that for a fact.

PERINO: And there are also --

BOLLING: Last year but --

(CROSSTALK)

PERINO: -- like maybe they are nine and then they grow up to be self- radicalized. You could also do that to somebody who was born here in America. Again, it gets to the point of like the crux of this issue is the radicalization and that's we don't up actually --

GUTFELD: I've been self-radicalized by Juan.

(LAUGHTER)

BOLLING: How in the world can you compare -- how in the world can you compare refugees who some have been radicalized to holocaust survivors who are fleeing extermination?

PERINO: No, he made a good point. I think that he made a good point, a historical point about arguments that are made about groups of refugees that over the years that have come through that usually excuses that are made or -- the point is that sometimes very worthwhile.

GUTFELD: But this -- but I don't think -- you can't compare the two because among the Jews fleeing, there weren't radical extremists --

PERINO: I agree with that, too. He was making a historical comparison I think.

GUTFELD: It was incorrect.

WILLIAMS: No it wasn't. And you should see what they said about the Irish and the Italians when they were coming in waves at the end of the 1800's. They said terrible things.

GUTFELD: Without to use that comparison, that's equality. We always make fun of our immigrants.

BOLLING: OK, well, we'll leave at that. We have a two to two type (ph).

(CROSSTALK)

(LAUGHTER)

GUILFOYLE: I think you know where I'm going on this. Two different situations.

BOLLING: All right. We'll leave it right there. Next, another terror attack. A Russian ambassador is assassinated at an art exhibition by a gunman shouting Allahu Akbar Putin, vowing revenge, when "The Five" returns.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

PERINO: Welcome back to "The Five." The body of Russia's ambassador to Turkey was flown back to Moscow today after a police officer assigned to protect him assassinated him. On Monday, the 22 year-old suspect was heard shouting, "Don't forget Aleppo. Allahu Akbar" as he murdered Andrei Karlov in the Turkish capital of Ankara. He was killed by police.

Russian president Vladimir Putin is vowing revenge. And to step up his fight against terror following the attack, John Bolton, former U.S. ambassador to the U.N. thinks that Putin has some ulterior motives as well.

(BGIN VIDEO CLIP)

JOHN BOLTON, FORMER U.S AMBASSADOR TO THE U.N.: The Russians will kill somebody. They may kill several people and this is in the Kremlin what they call -- what killing a Russian ambassador is called crossing a red line. I think Putin is already using this to bring Turkey closer to Russia. He said it was perhaps a provocation by some.

This is an enormous strategic move by Putin to try and slice Turkey away from NATO and get Russia closer to an objective they've had for 300 years or so. Putin knows exactly what he's doing and he will use this tragedy. He'll get his revenge against the terrorist but he will use this as part of the larger game.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PERINO: I think John Bolton is exactly right. And Greg, the only reason that we have that video is because there was a reporter there from the AP who shot the whole thing. He was able to, you know, reveal whether you want to watch it or not, at least there was somebody there, and so we have --

GUTFELD: How brave -- you know, we always bash the media but boy, man. You got to -- that was -- to stay there and take those pictures and documenting that act. And by the way, that will be -- these images will be those iconic images. It will be a Pulitzer and one of those things that you always remember, but I don't know.

I feel like this is not our fight. You know what I mean? It's like, you know, I think that this is something that's going on with these people that I don't know. I mean the cops from Turkey, they're part -- they're Gulenists which is like an Islamic sect. Gulenist supporters of some guy who lives in Saylorsburg, Pennsylvania. I mean this stuff is so strange. Saylorsburg has a population of 1,100 and they have a Muslim cleric that a lot of these guys worship and the only thing I know about Saylorsburg, lake side restaurant has great sangria.

PERINO: Well, Kimberly, Gulen is the guy.

GUTFELDD: Gulen.

PERINO: Gulen, whatever. Gulen. I'll say Gulen. He was the one that Turkey said was the cause of the coup last year and now what Turkey is saying is oh, this assassination, even though he said Allahu Akbar right before he shot him and talked about Syria like other jihadists do, they actually wasn't part of ISIS or part of that.

But he was actually doing it because of the guy in Saylorsburg, Pennsylvania. And I think that the Russians are likely to go along with it because their long-term strategic interest is in the pipeline.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, for sure. It always comes back to oil. You follow the money, you follow the oil, right Bolling. And then it leads you to the conclusion. And that's a great motivator for someone like Putin and what he wants to achieve as his long-term goals and objectives in that region. He wants to bring Turkey closer to him as a strategic ally for a lot of reasons that are important to have that kind of positioning in the region. It's a big problem for the United States.

So it's something actually Greg, that we should be concerned at from a national security perspective. It matters very much the play here that Russia is making. They've already made inroads in Syria and those are big power moves that we saw come down with Iran, Russia, and now this. Again, it's going to have far-reaching implications.

PERINO: And Juan, I think that this ups the pressure on the Obama administration but not really. Really it falls -- it's going to fall to president-elect Donald Trump because what the Turks have wanted since last year is the extradition of Gulen from Pennsylvania to Russia and if Russia sides with Turkey on that and it increases the pressure, that could be one of the first international issues that Donald Trump has to deal with as president.

GUILFOYLE: Immediately.

WILLIAMS: Wow. That would be something if we start conceding I mean, you know, to the --

PERINO: Or not.

WILLIAMS: -- wishes of a foreign leader in this matter because at this point, he's an American. He's an American citizen.

PERINO: We have held back on extraditing him and I don't think that they will but if Vladimir Putin --

WILLIAMS: Well, we'll see.

GUTFELD: We can trade him for Snowden.

WILLIAMS: Oh, that's not a bad trade, actually after not his interest (ph). What interests me is that so much of the Syrian conflict has dominated the two top blocks of our show. I mean this is another, you know, cause of -- what the assassin said was don't forget Aleppo. What happened was a week ago the Russians were involved in what the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations basically said was a slaughter and asked the Russians and the Syrians, President Assad's forces, do you have any shame?

So we have the Turks on the one side of the border and they're attacking ISIS forces. Meanwhile, Russia and Assad are there and they are attacking rebel forces fighting Assad so the Turks and the Russians were at odds. Now, all of a sudden we see Putin I think, as you guys have likely said, taking advantage of the situation to try to get himself closer to the Turks and that the ultimate goal maybe as Ambassador Bolton suggested, the long term ambition of the Russians is to get the Turkish government to be on their side not with NATO.

GUILFOYLE: And away from NATO.

PERINO: Let me get Eric in here. Our new national posture is to call terrorism for what it is. So, if the Americans have information that says no, this actually was a terrorist and maybe it was connected to ISIS somehow, but the Turks and the Russians want to go a different direction, what kind of position does that put the United States in?

BOLLNG: Well, let me ask Juan. What happened when President Obama sanctioned the drone strike against Anwar al-Awlaki, an American citizen that killed him? That was an American citizen killed. So, it's not unprecedented if we were turn over Gulen even though I don't see anywhere in this research and I've been picking through it that he --

PERINO: But what has Gulen done?

BOLLING: But here's the point. He's not an American citizen, as far as I know.

PERINO: I don't think he is American. I don't think --

BOLLING: He's in self-exile in Pennsylvania.

WILLIAMS: Yes, but I think he's been here -- I'm not sure if he's Australian (ph) because he's been here forever.

BOLLING: Because of diplomatic negotiation --

(CROSSTALK)

GUTFELD: I told you it was confusing from the beginning.

GUILFOYLE: You should go to a commercial.

BOLLING: Let me see if I can bring this down to what's in this for both sides -- actually, all three sides. Very quickly, Russia, what's in it for them? They get -- they allegedly get Turkey out of NATO. That helps them. They want to break NATO up. They hate NATO and for obvious reasons. NATO is on all of their borders -- many of their borders.

They also get an oil customer. Turkey, what does Turkey get? Turkey gets an absolute supply of oil that they desperately need as a growing economy. And as far as the U.S. is concerned, you need Turkey in NATO and an ally versus becoming very, very close to Russia. That would be a big problem in that region.

PERINO: It is complicated.

BOLLING: It is.

PERINO: We didn't get to talk about President Obama banning drilling in Arctic but we will probably --

GUTFELD: But isn't (ph) it pay back?

PERINO: For that?

GUTFEDL: For Russia tampering in Hillary's election?

PERINO: I don't know. Why would you say so?

GUTFELD: I don't know.

PERINO: Right.

GUILFOYLE: So close.

PERINO: All right, some Democrats still don't seem to be learning a lesson following the election. Who bill Clinton is blaming now for his wife's loss, next.

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GUILFOYLE: Democrats tried their hardest to get members of the Electoral College to vote for Clinton instead of president-elect Trump. They failed miserably. Yesterday, electors solidified Mr. Trump's victory. The Clintons, meanwhile, are still blaming everyone but themselves for the defeat. Here was President Clinton yesterday.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BILL CLINTON, FORMER UNITED STATES PRESIDENT: I've never cast a vote I was prouder of. You know, I've watched her work for two years, I've watched her battle through that bogus e-mail deal, be vindicated again when Secretary Powell's name came out. She fought through that. She fought and she prevailed against it all but, you know, then we have the Russians and the FBI deal, which she couldn't prevail against that. She did everything else and still won't (inaudible).

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GUILFOYLE: The president-elect tweeting in response, "Bill Clinton stated that I called him after the election. Wrong. He called me with a very nice congratulations. He doesn't know much, especially now how to get people, even with an unlimited budget, out to vote in the vital swing states and more. They focused on wrong states." OK, Greg, anything decent to say?

GUTFELD: I think we need a recount of the Electoral College. I can't help but think that the cold weather yesterday hampered the voting effort. I think we need to reschedule it for sometime in May. I think --

GUILFOYLE: We don't want to see that crazy idea.

GUTFELD: It's time for Bill and Hillary to retire. She can run a B & B and he can chase T & A.

GUILFOYLE: Really? Really rethinking the decision to go to you. Dana.

GUTFELD: Travel and entertainment.

Travel and...

BOLLING: Entertainment.

GUTFELD: ... anter-tainment (ph). He's loves -- he has an ant farm.

BOLLING: Yes, he does.

GUTFELD: Travel and ant farms.

GUILFOYLE: Don't worry, "Special Report" will be on in 30 minutes, and you can, you know, put your brain back together.

All right. Dana, try and fix this.

PERINO: I think Trump's response was actually very good, and it's kind of a shame because you had these calls after the election. There were calls. And actually, if we really want to, we can find out who called who and at what time.

GUILFOYLE: He admitted it.

PERINO: There would be records of that. So we can see that if anybody wanted to put it out there.

But I also think that it's interesting to watch the Clintons try to figure out how do they salvage the family legacy. What is the story line? Like, what's the headline? What's the lead that they want at the end of their lives to be about what they were able to accomplish or not in America? So I think that that's actually kind of interesting to watch.

GUILFOYLE: And now former president Bill Clinton admits, Bolling, that he, in fact, did call President-elect Trump. Glad we solved that. No hacking needed. We got the truth.

BOLLING: These tweets are hilarious, the former president and president- elect going back and forth.

GUILFOYLE: Super entertaining.

BOLLING: "You called me." "No, I called you." "Yes, I called you."

I will note that Bill Clinton in that sound bite you rolled blamed the bogus e-mail scandal, blamed James Comey for her loss. It just doesn't -- it's over.

And then the recount that Greg points out, the Wisconsin recount, widened Trump's lead from Jill Stein's recount initiative. And then the push by the "never Trumpers" to get the Electoral College to somehow not verify Donald Trump's victory actually turned out to be even a wider margin of victory for Donald Trump. She lost five votes. He lost two.

GUILFOYLE: So she lost again.

PERINO: Can I just add one thing? That Bill Clinton, right in the aftermath of the election, his people told the press -- not on the record, but they went back and said it was Bill Clinton who said, "Hillary, you are not focusing enough on the key swing states and on redneck -- rednecks like me." That's the actual quote that he said on tape.

So it's interesting to see him on the record, he blames everyone else but, actually, behind the scenes he blames the campaign.

GUTFELD: Bill Clinton sounds like an angry white man. Are you sure he didn't vote for Trump?

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my goodness.

WILLIAMS: Is that right? What a theory.

GUILFOYLE: A deplorable? A deplorable that's irredeemable? Yes.

WILLIAMS: Normally you can look across the table and you say, "Hmm, this is race." Right? But here you are now. You're saying it was -- I don't know.

By the way, the most interesting part to me was that somebody said, you know, should President Obama have a recess appointment to put Hillary Clinton on the Supreme Court?

PERINO: Why?

WILLIAMS: This was the argument about the Clinton legacy.

GUTFELD: Can you imagine?

WILLIAMS: And, of course, the answer was, no, she wouldn't want the gig, but it was interesting.

PERINO: She didn't want the gig?

GUTFELD: She would take it in a second.

PERINO: She would definitely take it. But why?

BOLLING: She's a (UNINTELLIGIBLE).

PERINO: But why would they do that? That's insane.

GUILFOYLE: Well, consistent with everything else.

WILLIAMS: You mean like -- like withholding the nominee for over a year? Like the Republicans did? Insane? Well, got away with it.

GUILFOYLE: All right. So that's your best advice?

WILLIAMS: Well, you know what?

PERINO: I think that was quite sane.

GUTFELD: It's actually -- I mean...

BOLLING: But can't -- Senate and Congress decide to come back? You know, if they say he's going to hold a recess appointment, then they can come back and vote.

WILLIAMS: Have a recess -- have a recess...

PERINO: Christmas on the floor of the Senate.

BOLLING: Yes, I would come back for that.

WILLIAMS: But it would make for a nice fight, wouldn't it?

GUTFELD: Yes.

WILLIAMS: It would make for a hell of a fight.

GUTFELD: And then she'd be out of the house, and Bill would be happy.

WILLIAMS: You're back to your ant farm?

GUTFELD: That's what he called it.

WILLIAMS: I think you know what, though? You're not going to get away from -- I know you want to get away from saying, "Oh, it's just Democrats, liberals whining. They can't get over it."

But you know what? Once they start having investigations into Russia, this thing is going to linger. And that calls into legitimacy of Trump, which is really why, I think, the right is so aggravated by things like Bill Clinton saying Comey and the Russians had a role in this.

BOLLING: But knee-deep in the middle of this Russian issue that the left keeps saying is they affected the outcome of the election. There's, A, no proof of it; and B, the Electoral College said clearly not. She lost ground.

WILLIAMS: You're down on America. You're down on America.

GUILFOYLE: How is that down on America? How is this down on America, Juan?

WILLIAMS: American -- American intelligence agencies are not -- you just sideswipe them away? These people are idiots?

GUILFOYLE: OK. And the reports are that it had no impact on the election, and there's no evidence of tampering or voter fraud.

WILLIAMS: I'm saying to Eric, American intelligence agencies have said the Russians were doing it.

BOLLING: I'm an American that says I'll believe it when I see it. So when I see evidence, I'll believe it. How's that?

WILLIAMS: Yes, but you don't want to hear it. I hope President Trump -- President-elect Trump wants to hear the truth.

GUILFOYLE: Sweet baby Jesus, help us. All I can, just pray...

BOLLING: Completely off the rails.

GUTFELD: I have another Bill Clinton joke.

GUILFOYLE: No.

WILLIAMS: Go right ahead.

GUILFOYLE: No.

WILLIAMS: I love him.

GUILFOYLE: Cut off. Shut up.

WILLIAMS: I'm voting for it.

GUILFOYLE: Cut the mikes. Ahead, a lot of Americans make resolutions to do better in the new year, Greg. MTV apparently thinks white men have the most work to do. Greg has that race controversy when "The Five" returns.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

GUTFELD: Welcome back to "We're All Racists."

MTV released a video that offers resolutions -- New Year's resolutions for white guys. It's so bad that it's bad:

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: First off, try to recognize that America was never "great" for anyone who wasn't a white guy.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Can we all just agree that "black lives matter" isn't the opposite of "all lives matter"? Black lives just matter. There's no need to over-complicate it.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Also, "blue lives matter" isn't a thing.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Learn what mansplaining is, and then stop doing it.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh, and if you're a judge, don't prioritize the wellbeing of an Ivy League athlete over the woman he assaulted.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We all love Beyonce. And yes, she's black, so of course she cares about black issues. I'm talking to you, Fox News.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BOLLING: That's you, Greg.

GUTFELD: Yes, because I hate Beyonce.

Now, I'd call that a pile of crap, but why insult crap? This slick video is straight from the social justice warrior canon. Campus babble spooned like strained carrots into the mouths of the mentally infantile. Disguised as thought, but really just moronic mantras repeated by smug goons whose idea of intellectual achievement is retweeting Katy Perry while they sniff their puffy fingers.

Their goal must be to reelect Donald Trump. By smearing whites as dumb aggressors, trashing cops and mocking interracial friendships, they make leftists seem more noxious than ever.

So wait, maybe I love this video.

In the quest for P.C. obedience, MTV has found a group of people whose smarmy repulsiveness transcends all identity. I didn't see black, white, straight or gay in that video. I just saw loser. And the more they talk, the more they lose.

But perhaps that's the goal: creating a new victim group, the loser class.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, boy.

GUTFELD: The goal: To demand special preferences for those who aren't just very good. As failures who see excuses instead of opportunities, the loser class are victims of your success, because they just can't keep up.

So congrats to the stars of this video. You're the poster children for deadbeats.

I -- Kimberly, I had a change of heart. I loved this video, because it guarantees conservatism will rule.

GUILFOYLE: Well, for sure. I mean, I look at that, and it's like makers and takers, people that want entitlements, people that want excuses, people that want safe spaces, people that are afraid to stand on their own two feet and just be an individual and not be a label.

GUTFELD: Uh-huh.

GUILFOYLE: That's the thing. They're limiting. They're self-limiting by saying, "I am this. Therefore, perhaps I am not as good or have as much as a white male." I mean, I sit across from you every day, and I feel like I'm doing really well.

GUTFELD: You are. I will give them this. I'm glad they didn't choose models. Like, these are very plain people.

PERINO: Oh, my gosh! Terrible!

BOLLING: You're giving MTV too much credit.

I don't think it's some sort of free speech experiment or argument. I think this is victimization propaganda. And that's what they're doing. They're giving these people a platform.

How can he say "blue lives matter" isn't a thing? Sure -- listen, is this racist? Black lives matter is a thing. Blue lives matter is a thing. So is all lives matter. So apparently, in this form, in their small-minded world, that's racist.

GUILFOYLE: Yes.

BOLLING: Note to white guys, only black lives matter. The other ones don't. I mean, there it is, victimization propaganda.

GUTFELD: Juan, is there anything worthwhile? I see social justice warriors as the big hair of 2016. It's the thing everybody looks back at from the '80s and goes, "That's terrible."

GUILFOYLE: I still have it.

WILLIAMS: So let me say -- let me get this straight. So these people volunteered to do this or MTV put out this tape to try to boost their ratings?

GUTFELD: I -- you know what. I didn't do the research.

GUILFOYLE: It's not a hostage video.

WILLIAMS: Well, I think...

GUILFOYLE: I think they're into it.

WILLIAMS: My impressions is this was something MTV put together...

GUTFELD: Yes, they did.

WILLIAMS: ... for their audience.

GUTFELD: Yes, they did. To offend their audience.

WILLIAMS: Well, no, I think their young audience actually voted big for Clinton. And I think they are...

GUTFELD: You mean their dumb audience?

WILLIAMS: I don't know if you can characterize their -- by the way, I've never seen...

GUILFOYLE: Or they loved Bernie.

WILLIAMS: You're on a racial rant today, defending your people, white guys.

GUTFELD: Oh, come on!

WILLIAMS: If I did that, you would be up in arms, I'll tell you that.

GUTFELD: I don't consider myself white.

WILLIAMS: Oh, you don't? Giving it up?

GUTFELD: I don't see skin color, Juan.

WILLIAMS: Oh, is that right?

GUTFELD: I don't see skin color.

WILLIAMS: Yes, white is normal. That's right. Everybody...

BOLLING: Is "blue lives matter" a thing?

WILLIAMS: Blue lives?

GUTFELD: Only if you're a Smurf, I guess.

WILLIAMS: Have you ever looked at the polls?

BOLLING: Answer yes or no. I mean, would you acknowledge that "blue lives matter" is a thing.

WILLIAMS: Yes, but that's the point. Everybody like -- everybody says cops matter. It's good to have cops, except there are some on the far left, I will say. I've been in conferences, and I'm like, what are you talking about?

GUILFOYLE: It's like crazy-town.

WILLIAMS: In general cops, and like with the military, they're so popular in our country.

GUTFELD: All right.

WILLIAMS: But the question about black people, that's a real question after that verdict down in -- where was it? -- North Carolina last week where they have a tape of someone, a cop shooting a black guy, and they still can't convict him?

BOLLING: Yes, South Carolina.

GUTFELD: I want to bring Dana into this. There's a line in there when they say America is not great for anybody unless you're a white guy. That totally discounts the idea of the melting pot. Where did all of this great diversity come from? They came from people from other countries because this a better place.

PERINO: Well, you're right. And it's interesting. President Obama did an interview this week where he told young people, "Don't go looking for insults." So if they need a new year's resolution, that could be one.

GUTFELD: Yes.

PERINO: But the other thing is that these young people don't know, you -- aren't you responsible for Beyonce's solo career?

GUTFELD: That is true. I believe that -- I believe I broke up Destiny's Child when I put...

PERINO: This is true.

GUTFELD: When we put Destiny's Child on the cover of "Stuff" magazine, and we agreed to put them on the cover. But we made it a fold, so it was only Beyonce, and the other two were really ticked off. And they broke up.

PERINO: And it wasn't much longer after that that she broke off from them.

GUTFELD: Yes, exactly.

GUILFOYLE: And hence your qualifications to sit at this table. Unbelievable.

GUTFELD: Exactly. I broke up Destiny's Child.

And in that way, I brought her and Jay-Z together.

GUILFOYLE: Well, I don't know if she's happy about that.

GUTFELD: Why -- why are we talking about this?

GUILFOYLE: "Ninety-nine Problems."

GUTFELD: I'm going to leave now.

Do social media outlets like Twitter and Facebook have an obligation to stop terrorists from spreading their message online? We debate when "The Five" returns.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

WILLIAMS: On June 12, a Muslim terrorist named Omar Mateen opened fire on a gay nightclub in Orlando, murdering 49, injured 53 others. Yesterday, families of some of those victims filed a lawsuit against three social media giants. They accused them of providing, quote, "material support," end quote, to ISIS. The suit asks for a court to hold Twitter, Facebook and Google partially responsible for the attack, saying that without those sites, the explosive growth of ISIS would not have been possible.

Do they win in your court, Eric?

BOLLING: I think -- I think the social media sites win. Clearly, they need to do everything they can to stop the spread of terror propaganda and communication, but there are so -- there are so many sites-- Wicker, What's App, Telescope -- that these terrorists use. You can't shut down all social media. You can't be suing them for this. You just have to be vigilant on who's a terrorist, who's using terror -- who's using their site as propaganda, to disseminate propaganda.

WILLIAMS: What happens when something like Muslim Brotherhood, Dana, gets a checkmark from Twitter as being verified?

PERINO: Verified?

WILLIAMS: Yes. What do you think of that?

PERINO: Well, that's an interesting thing. The policy is not keeping up with technology. And companies are constantly trying to figure out, OK, wait, where are we? And they're very far behind, including in cooperation with the government, in terms of what their policies will actually be.

But in this case in particular, I would ask Kimberly. I don't remember the name of the law, but aren't -- you're protected about somebody else's speech. Just because somebody else says something doesn't mean you're held liable for it, is that right?

GUILFOYLE: That's correct.

PERINO: Thank you.

WILLIAMS: In fact...

PERINO: I didn't go to law school, but...

WILLIAMS: That's --well, it's the Communications Decency Act of 1996, and it says that, if you're online, you're not the equivalent of a publisher or a speaker if someone else is providing the content.

But Greg, the reality is, you know what? I would rule with Eric. I don't think it's -- they're responsible. But boy, I don't think ISIS grows unless you have this social media component.

GUTFELD: Yes, it's just -- I have a real problem with the pretentious kind of smarmy nature of the Silicon Valley. You know, they reach this zenith of outrage over Donald Trump but not about terror. They don't have the same kind of, you know, anger about that stuff.

But again, in World War II, there were all these companies that contributed to the effort by, you know, with food, with armor and vehicles; and this should be no different with Silicon Valley, especially when you benefit from the very freedoms that Islamism is trying to eradicate. So they should be at the forefront, trying to do the right thing instead of being bozos, you know, off Sand Hill Road.

WILLIAMS: Well, Kimberly, let me come back to you on this, because it's not just this suit, but in Germany...

PERINO: Right.

WILLIAMS: ... Mark Zuckerberg was sued by German prosecutors for failing to ban hate speech on Facebook.

GUILFOYLE: Right. But the problem is the companies have actually spent thousands of, you know -- hundreds of thousands man-hours trying to address this issue, trying to prevent this type of speech from being disseminated across their platforms. It's very difficult. It's like whack-a-mole. They take one down. They have three other, four accounts.

WILLIAMS: And does it stop free speech?

GUILFOYLE: They're also using Telegram, which is, like, private chatrooms.

WILLIAMS: Yes, but does it stop free speech?

GUILFOYLE: Does it stop free speech?

WILLIAMS: In other words, if I say something that you may not like...

GUILFOYLE: You don't have a right to commit acts of terror or incite that type of thing, so, no, but the thing is, they actually have shown that they've tried to make the efforts to do it. I don't believe these lawsuits, as they are, are going to succeed because of the rights and the way these companies are protected and because they are making efforts to make sure that this type of hate speech and radical jihad and radicalization isn't spread. I mean, it's just very challenging to get the job done.

WILLIAMS: I just think it's very important that they not become the arbiters of what is legitimate speech in our society. Anyway, "One More Thing" up next.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

BOLLING: Time for "One More Thing" -- K.G.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, wow. I love that. That's the voice of God.

OK. A big shout-out to two New York City police officers for replacing a 4-year-old girl's stolen birthday presents. Can you imagine this? On Saturday, officers Frank Callaghan and Michael McAvoy responded to a call outside of a restaurant in Staten Island where the Sietz family was celebrating their 4-year-old daughter, Sammi's, birthday. Thieves had broken into the family's minivan. They stole all of the little girl's birthday presents. They're the worst people in the world.

GUTFELD: I didn't steal it. I thought it was mine.

GUILFOYLE: You thought it was your size?

On Sunday, those officers arrived at the family's home with dozens of new toys for little Sammi to replace the ones that were stolen. She was so happy. She said, "Look, Mama, they found my presents."

So they wanted to make sure that the two officers were recognized for their good deed. Oh, and it's the Sietz family. So Merry Christmas to them and happy birthday, Sammi. Thank you, officers.

GUTFELD: My presents got stolen, too. See if it works.

GUILFOYLE: Why do you always want to ruin my "One More Thing," little one?

BOLLING: Yours didn't come with a cork in it, did it?

GUTFELD: Yes, yes, a full case of wine was taken out of my car.

BOLLING: Exactly. All right, Juan, you're up.

GUILFOYLE: Someone, GoFundMe to help save Greg's Christmas.

WILLIAMS: Oh, my goodness. Anyway, last night Notre Dame basketball player Matt Ferrell thought he was having a pretty good night. The team had a win in South Bend, but after the game, it got even better.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Holiday greeting all the way from Afghanistan, from Beau Ferrell, the older brother of point guard, Matt Ferrell.

BEAU FERRELL, OLDER BROTHER OF MATT FERRELL: I just want you to know how proud I am of you. I love you, and I miss you very much. I look forward to being home with you soon, really, really soon.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

WILLIAMS: Yes. The surprise had been in the works for seven months, even though the soldier's family thought he wouldn't be home until February. Matt said, "He got me. We don't ask for much for Christmas, so this is the best present..."

GUILFOYLE: Ever.

WILLIAMS: "... I've ever, ever gotten." Merry Christmas, guys.

BOLLING: Very good. Very touching.

PERINO: That helped my chronic dry eye problem for a moment.

GUTFELD: Always about you and your eye.

PERINO: You know...

GUILFOYLE: No, no, no.

PERINO: You know how you hate people at the gym...

GUTFELD: Yes.

PERINO: ... who fill up their water bottles and take up space...

GUTFELD: Happened today.

PERINO: Driving you crazy.

Well, I thought about you when I saw this video. Check out this deer. Bounds into a Gold's Gym, right through the window, and basically disrupts the entire workout regimen of people. He goes all the way through. Check out this next scene when he leaps over the barbells...

GUTFELD: Oh, no.

PERINO: He was in there for about two minutes. He left the way he came. Hopefully -- well, they saw him later. Hopefully he's not injured, because he did break some glass there.

BOLLING: He came back.

PERINO: We're going to get a follow-up on that.

BOLLING: He came back later. He did arms and then antlers.

GUILFOYLE: What a -- animal. I love it, Bolling. It's good.

PERINO: It was a very dear "One More Thing."

GUILFOYLE: Free gym membership.

BOLLING: Gregory.

GUTFELD: What is this?

GUILFOYLE: Didn't he kind of go already?

GUTFELD: No.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

GUTFELD: Greg's Etiquette Tips.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GUTFELD: You know, people come up to me all the time about etiquette tips.

GUILFOYLE: No, they don't. Lying.

GUTFELD: They stop me on the street, and they ask me all sorts of questions about, like, what fork do they use, what knife do they use? And this elderly woman on the subway the other day says, "Greg, I have a spoon for soup. I have a spoon for sugar, but I don't have a yogurt spoon." And I thought that's an interesting question. So what kind of spoon would you use when you're eating yogurt?

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

(COCKATIEL EATING YOGURT)

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GUTFELD: So we went here and it turns out if you're a cockatoo, which I believe that is, or let's just call it a bird, because I don't want to get letters from the bird people. Yes, it's a parrot.

Anyway, that is, actually, if you look at it, a soup spoon which is being used, as you can tell, to eat yogurt.

GUILFOYLE: You know what? It depends on the size of the container. If you eat it out of the little container or you put it in a bowl.

GUTFELD: I always put it into a bowl and then I smear it on my chest.

PERINO: Why?

GUTFELD: I don't know. Because it's fun.

GUILFOYLE: Can you go away?

GUTFELD: Lighten up, OK?

GUILFOYLE: He's so gross. I know. Control room is like, "He's so gross today."

GUTFELD: I was trying to stretch it, OK?

GUILFOYLE: Well, that's one way to do it.

GUTFELD: The segment.

GUILFOYLE: You confuse stretch with horrify of the image of you. You just ruined Yoplait across the country for millions.

GUTFELD: Yoplait? I play.

PERINO: That's actually what it means.

GUILFOYLE: This is what I mean.

GUTFELD: Yes.

BOLLING: All righty. We stretched it. That's it for that one.

Let's stretch this one a little bit, tonight, 10 p.m., check it out, big "Hannity." I'm sitting in for Sean. Check out this lineup. It's an embarrassment of riches of talking heads.

GUILFOYLE: Nice.

BOLLING: And smart people. Check it out. Kellyanne Conway, Rudy's going to come on, he's going to talk -- we're going to talk about the terror with both Kellyanne and Rudy. Laura Ingraham.

Scott Walker, something very interesting. He says he wants states to have more say on whether or not they get refugees coming in from various countries overseas. So he's actually written a letter to Donald Trump. And we're going to talk a little bit about that. Plus...

GUILFOYLE: Kellyanne moving to D.C.

BOLLING: ... Ashton Gorka.

GUILFOYLE: We love him.

BOLLING: Ashton Gorka and Huckabee.

You're right. Kellyanne has announced...

GUTFELD: You didn't put Huckabee in that little lineup? He's going to be ticked. You have all the faces.

BOLLING: We only had room for year.

GUTFELD: I know, and you said Huckabee was not as important.

BOLLING: So that was in order of -- so Huckabee's later in the show.

PERINO: Alphabetical order? No, no.

GUILFOYLE: But notice he didn't put his own face.

GUTFELD: What's a Huckabee?

GUILFOYLE: he didn't put his own tan man face.

BOLLING: That's right.

GUILFOYLE: Tan man.

BOLLING: Thanks, K.G. Got to go.

You know the deal, "Special Report."

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