This is a rush transcript from "The Kelly File," December 13, 2016. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.
MEGYN KELLY, HOST: Great song and grea, great night from President-elect Donald Trump. And some favorite songs of Wisconsin including House Speaker Paul Ryan and Governor Scott Walker. The Vice Presidential-elect was also there, Mike Pence, who you saw giving him the -- Speaker Paul Ryan giving him the jersey 45 as in the 45th president. And what a night for Donald Trump as he continues his victory tour including through the critical state of Wisconsin and the electoral votes he needed and got.
Welcome to "The Kelly File" everyone. I'm Megyn Kelly back after a few days off and a hideous illness which I'm feeling better but I am on some cough medicine so bear with me. Part of this big speech, we watch tonight, Mr. Trump made one of his most important cabinet selections to date. Nominating Exxon Mobil CEO Rex Tillerson to be his secretary of state. And just you think about the significance of this song for Donald Trump.
Just I mean, you've heard it a million times, but you can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes you get what you need. Which is really his message to that half of the country that did not vote for him and including some of these never Trumpers who he's been touting his cabinet picks to saying, could you have ask for better than this. And Tillerson is one of those. Now this pick is not without controversy, we'll get to a little bit of that later in the show.
But we begin tonight in Wisconsin. Where moments ago, Donald Trump wrapped up his latest rally. Wisconsin is a state that narrowly went his way after voting Democratic in the last seven presidential elections.
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TRUMP: Somebody said the other day, well, now that Trump won, he's really not going to build the wall. I said, what are you -- we're going to build the wall. Okay? Believe me. My administration will follow two simple rules. Buy America and hire America. Because from now on it's going to be America first.
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KELLY: In moments, we'll be joined by Trump transition team member Jason Miller and we will ask him what's next for the President-elect.
But we begin tonight with our newly named chief White House correspondent John Roberts live in West Allis, Wisconsin where Mr. Trump just wrapped up his speech. John, congratulations and what's happening?
JOHN ROBERTS, FOX NEWS CHIEF WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Megyn. Thanks so much. Looking forward to joining you many more times in the future. And a significant moment just there. That's the first time that Donald Trump and Speaker Paul Ryan appeared on stage in this whole election together when he gave him the Green Bay Packers jersey with the 45 on it. You might remember that it's about four weeks before the election, Reince Priebus had brokered a deal where Paul Ryan was going to appear on stage with Donald Trump and then news of that tape recording broke and Paul Ryan basically cut himself off from Donald Trump saying, I'm going to work to get as many Republicans elected as I can in the House.
And that looked like it was the irreparable division. You could even here tonight, with Speaker Paul Ryan took the stage and he said, he didn't even have his driver's license the last time a Republican presidential candidate won the state of Wisconsin. There was a spattering of boos. And then when Donald Trump mentioned Paul Ryan, the boos went even louder. He said, no, no, no, wait a minute, wait a minute. I've come to appreciate Paul Ryan. He said, he's kind of like a fine wine. Every day I get to appreciate his genius even more.
So, Donald Trump went a long way tonight himself to try to repair the rift that has existed between he and Speaker Ryan. Because Megyn, the two of them really have to work together if they hope to get Donald Trump's agenda past. So, the other things that happened tonight, Donald Trump spent the better part of about half an hour replaying the whole election night from the time he said, I thought I was going to lose based on what I was hearing about the exit polls to finally winning.
The Christmas trees on stage tonight significant as well because Donald Trump said, the very first time that he appeared in Wisconsin, he said, I'm going to come back here again and we're going to say, Merry Christmas. He mentioned the recount that just wrapped up here in Wisconsin. Saying, they spent all those billions of dollars for me to get 131 more votes. I guess that really goes to show you that every vote really does count. And he also mentioned, Megyn, that President Obama and Michelle Obama have been very kind to him and Melania as they head towards the transition of power. The inauguration on January 20th -- Megyn.
KELLY: That's good to hear. John, thank you.
Joining us now, Jason Miller, communications director for the President- elect's Transition Team. Jason, great to see you. And so, now we do have a couple of names into us. Tillerson for Secretary of State. We want to talk about Pruitt at the EPA as well. And Rick Perry at the Department of Energy. There's been some controversy over Tillerson. Some of the so- called neocons like Dick Cheney, Condi Rice, they all love him which has the Left freaking out. What's your take on Tillerson?
JASON MILLER, COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR, TRUMP TRANSITION TEAM: Well, Rex Tillerson is a very impressive gentleman. I think he is someone who can really go on international stage and represent the President-Elect's America first sworn policy and do a very good job at it. I think one of the things that Mr. Tillerson really brings to the table is the fact that he has this relationship with finance ministers and with business leaders. And have a deep understanding of people all around the world.
And I think he has a unique set of experience to come and really come into this new age that we're talking about. The new world, the problems that we're facing. He has that ability to come in and realize what the geopolitical issues are. What the regional stability issues are.
KELLY: Okay. But what happened to Mitt Romney?
MILLER: Well, I think Mr. Tillerson really impressed the President-elect. I think when they sat down, the President-elect realized that this is someone who had such a unique skill set who's actually worked in Russia and the Middle East and South America and Southeast Asia. And if you spent any time with him, you realize just how impressive this guy is and his deep understanding.
MILLER: And the other thing too, he's a tough negotiator.
KELLY: Okay. What about Rick Perry for the Department of Energy, which is, you know, he's being mocked because this was one of the agencies he wanted to eliminate when he was running for president although he couldn't remember that when he was asked about the three agencies. This is the one that he forgot. But he had said many times that he wanted to eliminate this department that he's now going to be running if he gets confirm.
MILLER: Well, Rick Perry if you know anything about his time as governor of the state of Texas. It's really when they had this energy and economic revival in the state. Really helped them move and just started blowing up in a huge way. And he is someone who obviously has a lot of experience in the energy sector. I would say stay tuned for tomorrow morning for additional news on this front.
KELLY: Oh, really? Okay. We will. I mean, there's no time like the present, here you're on THE KELLY FILE. You have anything you want to tell us?
MILLER: Stay tuned tomorrow morning. Check your inbox.
KELLY: All right. Oh, fascinating. Now, wait, I want to ask you about Pruitt over at the EPA. Because this is the one that's really got the Left up in their arms. They say that this man does not believe in climate change. And that he is basically going to rewind undue all of the things that the Obama administration has done for the environment during their eight years in office. Does he believe in climate change?
MILLER: Well, I think what he's going to do is he's going to bring a sound balance to the EPA. I think we've seen some of these onerous regulations and restrictions being put on business that really hurt our economy. He's going to bring a little bit more of an even playing field to it. We're going to make sure that our economy can move ahead. To make sure we have clean air and clean water and we're looking out for the environment.
But there has to be some kind of balance. And I think what the federal government has gotten just too big and over encroaching at this point, I think that is some of these pushing back on Washington that people want to see.
KELLY: The Feds under President Obama have certainly in large regulations when it comes to air and water. The Supreme Court has said, that's lawful, but it doesn't say that they have to do it. It depends on, you know, who is running the agency, who is running the government. But does he believe in climate change?
MILLER: Well, I think we want to see sound science. We want to see take a look at what's really going on and, you know, this is when we talked about regulations. This is one thing the President-elect talked about on the campaign trail.
KELLY: I know. But you're not really answering. Is that a hard question?
MILLER: No, I think it's a straight forward answer in the fact that we want to see sound science in this. That we want to see people go through and see what we need to do to take care of the environment and make sure that we're keeping our country clean and safe. But also too, we've seen a lot of the science absolutely start running amuck. And so, I think the Left really wants to try to pull us into the debate about --
KELLY: Why? Do you think there's a debate about whether there's climate change versus what causes it.
MILLER: No. But obviously the world is continuously changing. But what we're going to do is to make sure again, the government doesn't get in the way of completely stopping all of our economic growth.
MILLER: But we --
KELLY: I have to go but I have to ask you this. Tomorrow there's a tech conference at Trump Tower. My friend Sheryl Sandberg of Facebook and some other luminaries from the tech world are coming to see you from Silicon Valley. Not you personally. They love you too but what can we expect there? Why are they doing that?
MILLER: So, I have some of the big league names that I can go ahead and read to you here. We have Safra Catz from Oracle. Tim Cook from Apple. Alex Karp from Palantir. Brian Krzanich from Intel. Elon Musk from Tesla. Sunny and Nadella from Microsoft. As you said, Larry Page and Eric Schmidt from Google. Chuck Robbins from Cisco. Ginni Rometty from IBM and you said, Sheryl Sandberg from Facebook.
Megyn, these are some of the biggest tech giants in the entire country.
KELLY: Oh, yes.
MILLER: These are all of them.
KELLY: Why? What are they going to tell Donald Trump?
MILLER: Because the President-Elect wants to get all these folks together and talk about what we have to do to bring back tech jobs to America. What we have to do to get the economy going. These are the economic engines. These are the creators who really making our economy happen right now. And we're getting them all together in one place to talk about what we can do to make sure tech is here and not overseas.
And I think this is, to see the President-elect bringing these impressive people together all at one time I think is really something. And as you saw today, some of the folks coming through with Jim Brown -- Jim Brown to Kanye West to Bill Gates. I mean, Trump Tower is the center of universe right now.
KELLY: Yes. It confuses me. It confuses me. Okay. We'll get to that in a minute. Stop because I'm on cough medicine. And I can't go from Sheryl and Bill Gates to Kanye in that 30 second span. Jason, great to see you.
MILLER: All right. Thank you, Megyn.
Also tonight, new reports that U.S. Intel agencies are not on the same page necessarily when it comes to the Russian hacking allegations. And we have former FBI Assistant Director James Kallstrom next on what's really happening here.
Plus, President-elect Donald Trump was joined by a slew of high profile stars today as you just heard. Including Kanye West. Wasn't he in the hospital? It's so confusing.
And when we come back, we'll speak with Omarosa Manigault of the presidential transition team on why she arranged this meeting and what happened inside.
KELLY: Breaking reports suggest disagreement between the Intelligence community over the CIA's assessment that Russia intended to sway the presidential election here in favor of Donald Trump. The office of the director of National Intelligence now says, while it does not dispute the CIA's reported findings, it is not actually standing behind them. In just a moment, we will hear from former FBI Assistant Director James Kallstrom on what's really going on here.
But first chief intelligence correspondent Catherine Herridge has the new developments. Catherine?
CATHERINE HERRIDGE, FOX NEWS CHIEF INTELLIGENCE CORRESPONDENT: The House and Senate minority leaders calling for the creation of a 9/11 style commission to investigate the Russian election hacks. Nancy Pelosi telling MSNBC her position is not political.
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REP. NANCY PELOSI, D-CALIF., MINORITY LEADER: Even if it didn't succeed. Even if Hillary Clinton had won, it's still very important for us to have an investigation. I prefer an outside nonpartisan, bipartisan commission to review it. (END VIDEO CLIP)
HERRIDGE: The director of National Intelligence James Clapper who oversees the 17th intelligence agencies and CIA Director John Brennan are not on the same page. The issue comes down to the hacker's intent and whether there's strong evidence that the Russian government got involved to ensure a Trump victory. After the U.S. publicly blamed Russia in October, the hacks against the states election boars dropped off. Pressed by a senior Democrat. Clapper testified the Russian links to DNC and Clinton e-mail releases by WikiLeaks was in fact more tenuous.
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JAMES CLAPPER, DIRECTOR OF NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE: As far as the WikiLeaks connection, the evidence there is not strong and we don't have good insight into sequencing of the releases. Or when the data may have been provided.
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HERRIDGE: The FBI director had reservations in October about publicly blaming Russia. The FBI and the CIA have until Friday this week to brief Congress and deconflict the reporting -- Megyn.
KELLY: Catherine, thank you. Turning me now with more on this, James Kallstrom, former assistant director in charge of the FBI. Jim, good to see you tonight. So, you know, the CIA didn't release the stuff publicly, but the reports came out that they believe that Russia had hacked these e- mails and had done so to interfere, had interfered with the presidential election. Now we find out the FBI is not on board with that conclusion and the director of National Intelligence says look, I can't say that the CIA is wrong. Only that they can't prove intent. So do you think that some of our friends in the media in particular got little ahead of their skis in saying, Russia wanted Trump to win and interfere with the election to make it so.
JAMES KALLSTROM, FORMER FBI ASSISTANT DIRECTOR IN CHARGE: First off, Megyn, you know, this hacking is a terrible things. It's been going on for what, decades, a long, long time. I mean, all of my government records were disclosed by the opposite personal management. They'd had very weak security. And obviously the Democratic National Committee had weak security and, you know, just the plethora of other organizations that had been hacked and continue to be hacked. So, you know, was it the Russians, I don't know. Does it surprise me that the FBI doesn't agree with the agency? No. They have different standards for releasing these types of opinions.
KALLSTROM: And the director of National Security, I think probably is the exclamation point here, but whether or not I mean, I don't agree with foreign countries involving themselves in our elections. But what we're talking about here, you know, the notion that the Russians swayed the election. How about the fact that the information that was released might have swayed it? In other words, the major media was in bed with the Democratic National Committee. John Podesta and others were sending questions over to the press to be answered. I mean they were roving gangs of people hired by the Democratic National Committee to go and disrupt Trump events. I mean these are maybe the facts that might have had an opinion with certain people and how they voted, but the notion and the public should understand.
This is not about hacking into the voting systems per se. This isn't about the actual total votes. What they're talking about here is the Russians put a thumb on the scale, but I mean why would -- think about this. I mean I don't know if they did or not. Why would the Russians pick somebody who the odds to make his head, is maybe had a 10 percent chance of winning the election.
KELLY: Well, because they, the hacks occurred back in spring of 15. So they didn't know that Donald Trump was going to with the Republican nominee then.
KELLY: But when were the e-mails leaked to WikiLeaks. That is the question, because what they seem to be saying again, these are not reports that have been made public.
KELLY: But what they seem to with saying is that, there were perhaps hacks of Republicans as well. John McCain seemed to be suggesting that today, but the only ones that got given to WikiLeaks to be made public were of the Dems. As you know, while those leaks made the Democrats look terrible, who knows what would have been in the Republican ones? Could have been just as bad, who the heck knows?
KALLSTROM: Megyn, It could have been just as bad or maybe they weren't bad at all. I mean we have no idea.
KELLY: Right. That is to your point. That is why it's -- if Russia wanted Trump to win, that is why, it tells you something. They only released to WikiLeaks the Democrat leaks.
KALLSTROM: Megyn, who knows? I mean, I think, you know the Democrats just can't get over the fact that they lost this election. They ought to be looking at the fact that the Democrats and the Republicans for that matter, you know they have ignored the middle class of the United States for the last four decades.
KELLY: Or just be a better person. I was saying 2016. You actually have to be a good person. It is no longer enough to pretend. So don't give the questions to Donna Brazile and give to Hillary Clinton. And like, to your point, just be better and maybe you won't worry about the hack.
KALLSTROM: Yeah. Conduct yourself in an honorable manner and maybe nobody would have any, you know really methodology to release anything that is nasty, because you haven't been a nasty person, but you know, what is so hard to understand that our middle class has been driven into, you know, economic state of depression. You know and who nobody really cared about for many, many years. You know the plumbers, the carpenters, you know the people that work with their hands, all these people out there. You know what is so unusual and so surprising that these people would finally want a change and you know and what goes on in Washington? I mean I don't think that is the least bit surprising.
KELLY: James, it's great to see you.
KALLSTROM: Great to see you.
KELLY: Also tonight. Critics are sharpening their knives for Rex Tillerson for nominee to be our next Secretary of State. And Congressman Pete Hoekstra and Julie Roginsky are next on why this fight matters.
Plus President-Elect Trump was joined by a slew of high profile stars today, including Kanye West. And when we come back, we will speak with the Omarosa Manigault of the presidential transition team about the story behind some of these meetings.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Kanye.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Mr. Trump, Kanye, what did you discuss in your meetings today?
PRESIDENT-ELECT DONALD TRUMP: Just friends, just friends. And he is a good man.
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TRUMP: Rex is one of the greatest and most skilled global business leaders of our time. Made some of the greatest deals ever made in the oil industry or any industry. A great diplomat, a strong man and a tough man, a man who is already earned an avalanche of endorsements. You know Rex is friendly with many of the leaders of the world that we don't get along with. And some people don't like that. They don't want him to be friendly. That is why I'm doing the deal with Rex, because I like what this is all about.
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KELLY: More tonight on Russia, possibly playing a part in Mr. Trump's road to the White House. This time it comes to his pick for the Secretary of State. That was President-Elect Trump just moments ago on his thank you tour, praising Rex Tillerson. Others are not sure about the Exxon mobile CEO saying his tie to Russia is just too tight for him to be able to get this job done without some major strings attached. Trace Gallagher, details the story, live from our L.A. Newsroom. Hi, Trace.
TRACE GALLAGHER, FOX NEWS CORRESPONDENT: Hi Megyn, if Democrats in the center all voted no, on Rex Tillerson for Secretary of State. It would then take three Republicans to sink his nomination. And Senators John McCain, Marco Rubio and Lindsey Graham have already made negative comments. With Rubio saying, he had, quote, serious concerns about Tillerson and Graham asking quote, is Mr. Tillerson so close to Vladimir Putin, but he can't push back if he needs to. Senator Graham's reference deals with the fact that Tillerson has cultivated close ties with the Russian president, including working with Putin to seal a $3 billion deal to drill for oil in the arctic. And being awarded the Russian order of friendship, one of the highest honors Russia bestows upon foreign citizens. Here's Rudy Giuliani addressing that point on CNN. Watch.
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RUDY GIULIANI, FORMER NEW YORK CITY MAYOR: I do know he received an award from Russian government, bestowed an astronaut and other notable Americans, so I think it's something you have to really take a look at.
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GALLAGHER: And when it comes to pushing back against Putin, business expert's points out that Tillerson certainly didn't roll over and give the Russian president what he wanted. Instead, the Exxon CEO is noted for being a tough negotiator with a history of grinding out some very lucrative deals. Tillerson is also being recommended by former Republican Secretaries of State James Baker, Condoleeza Rice and Robert Gates. Former Vice President Dick Cheney said about Tillerson quote, he has vast experience ability and judgment to deal with the very dangerous world we find confronting us. And though we began by mentioning some concerns GOP Senators have with Rex Tillerson. It is worth noting that only nine cabinet nominations in history have been rejected by the senate and the Secretary of State nomination has never been rejected, Megyn.
KELLY: Trace Gallagher, thank you. Joining us now, former Congressman Pete Hoekstra, he used to chair the House Intelligence Committee and was the National Security Adviser to the Trump campaign. Also here is Democratic analyst and Fox News Contributor Julie Roginsky, good to see you both.
JULIE ROGINSKY, DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST AND FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR: Good to see you.
KELLY: So Congressman, let me start with you. Bob Gates, former Secretary of Defense, two former Secretary of State, we saw there, James Baker, Condoleeza Rice, both said this is the guy. Do you think that his ties to Russia are going to be so controversial given this other story about whether Russia interfered to help Trump win, you know, no one is alleging that Trump knew that. Do you think that is going to defeat him and ruin his chances?
PETE HOEKSTRA, FORMER CONGRESSMAN: Well, what we already know is number one that. This whole story about Russia is even in dispute within the intelligence community where the DNI and the CIA are in disagreement as is the FBI. So that story is being -- I think deflated as quickly as what it should be.
KELLY: They don't say they disagree. They just say they don't feel it's been proven. They can't get there.
HOEKSTRA: Right. Yes. It is unproven in the length that the CIA has made to get to that story are rather tenuous. So that story is going away. What Rex Tillerson did is -- he did exactly what he is supposed to do as CEO of global energy company. He cut deals for the benefit of shareholder, his customers and his employees that enable his company to be very, very successful and did that with people like Putin. And I have no doubt that he has the background and the backbone to stand up to Putin if he is our next Secretary of State.
KELLY: Now, Julie, this is what Trump reportedly President-Elect Trump says about him. He is a strong man. He says he is tough man. And he likes that about him. I think most of our viewers may not know Rex Tillerson. Let's just listen to him. Here's a little sound bite about him talking about his relationship with Vladimir Putin.
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REX TILLERSON, SECRETARY OF STATE NOMINEE: I have a very close relationship with him. I don't agree with everything he is doing. I don't agree with everything a lot of leaders are doing, but he understands that I'm a businessman. And I've invested a lot of money. My company has invested a lot of money in Russia very successfully and he knows us being there has caused good things to happen for them. He understands that is -- I'm going to comply with the sanctions.
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KELLY: Julie is that a bad thing to have a Secretary of State, who's got, you know, very closed relationship with the head of Russia.
JULIE ROGINSKY, DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST AND FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR: Well, a couple of things, one that I would say about Rex Tillerson, he is a very easy answer to give. Does he or does he not support sanctions on Russia. He didn't support them in the past. He said he did not support them in the past, because his company was losing tons of money as a result of not being able to drill in the arctic.
KELLY: Well he also said they don't make sense unless their comprehensive.
ROGINSKY: Well you know, listen, nobody would love to have more sanctions on Russia than me. I would love to hear him expand on that as well. These are all questions that need to be answered. Secondly, it is in his personal economic interest for sanctions to be lifted, because his pension fund depends greatly on the shares of Exxon going up and they will of course, if he is allowed to continue to cut deals, with (inaudible) section who is the head of (inaudible) Vladimir Putin and his cronies run that mask raid with the Russian oil company.
KELLY: I hadn't heard anybody raise that. Can you address that, Pete, about his pension, the value of it, depends on our relations with Russia.
HOEKSTRA: I think there's a very easy thing for Rex Tillerson to cut his ties to his pension to take the cash out and make sure that it goes into a blind trust. Now you can cut these conflicts of interest. The bottom line is we need a new strategy for Russia. What we've been doing with Russia for the last eight years doesn't work. We now actually have to execute the reset button that Hillary Clinton proposed in 2009.
ROGINSKY: Let me just say this congressman. This is a country that is invaded Ukraine. That is seized a great chunk of their land. That still has soldiers despite their denials in Eastern Ukraine. That there's no disagreement that among the intelligent agencies they've hacked, our political institution are only disagreeing in the fact that they were doing it to elect Donald Trump. And after all of this Congressman, you want to re-establish a friendship and not penalized Vladimir Putin on the course of that? What would you like to do with him?
HOEKSTRA: I didn't say re-established a friendship. What I want to do is, what we need to do, is we need to recognize that we have to - we need to recognized exactly who Russia is and those things all happened on Obama's watch and we need a strong Secretary of State that knows how to deal with people like Putin and knows how to deal with them successfully.
KELLY: Ok. We'll leave that. Leave it at that, great to see you both.
HOEKSTRA: Thank you.
ROGINSKY: All right, thank you.
KELLY: Also tonight, Donald Trump, Kanye West, and Omarosa. And she is with us live, next.
KELLY: Developing tonight, new details on an interesting series of meeting at Trump Tower. Kanye West stopped by this morning to reportedly discuss multicultural issues and bullying, also on hand, NFL greats Jim Brown and Ray Lewis. In a moment we are going to be join by Omarosa Manigault, who attended some of these meetings, but first we check in with Trace Gallagher in our West Coast Newsroom, Trace?
GALLAGHER: Megyn it is unclear exactly who called the Kanye meeting. ENews says it was Trump who reached out to Kanye. The Trump team says the meeting was held at Kanye's requests. Trump's spokesperson Hope Hicks went on to say the meeting was positive and productive, tough she would not talk content nor would the rapper and the President-Elect, watch.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Mr. Trump what did you discuss in your meeting today.
TRUMP: Just friends. Just friends and he is a good man.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Are you considering him for a cabinet position?
TRUMP: We've been friends for a long time.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What did you guys discuss?
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GALLAGHER: West who was recently treated for exhaustion and is very politically outspoken later posted on twitter quote, I wanted to meet with Trump today to discuss multicultural issues, and these issues included bullying, supporting teachers, modernizing curriculums and violence in Chicago. NFL greats Ray Lewis and Jim Brown also met with Trump to talk about curbing gang violence. Jim Brown, who acknowledged, voting for Hillary Clinton said, he loved meeting Trump. Ray Lewis said he talked with Trump about expanding the Amer-I-can Program helping gang members change their lives. Lewis has questioned the Black Lives Matter Movement saying the bigger issue is black on black crime. And today, Lewis said, we should forget Black and White. Watch.
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REY LEWIS, FORMER NFL PLAYER: Black and white is irrelevant. The bottom line is job creation and economic development in our neighborhood to change the whole scheme of what our kids see for our next future.
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GALLAGHER: Lewis said he also supports Ben Carson to lead the department of housing and urban development, Megyn.
KELLY: Trace thank you. Joining me now is a woman who was at Trump Tower for some of these meetings today. Omarosa Manigault is part of the presidential transition team in national engagement. Omarosa, great to have you, first of all, Jim Brown, I know he did some things after Syracuse University. That is how I remember him, at least during my time, still we love him. What was really the purpose here? Because we've had eight years under President Obama where many people felt that he start this my brother's keeper program, it didn't go far enough and he didn't do enough to help what we've seen in the inner cities, places like Chicago.
OMAROSA MANIGAULT, PRESIDENTIAL TRANSITION TEAM: Well, you know the president has mapped the President-Elect, has mapped out an Urban renewal program that really is aimed to improve the conditions for African- Americans in the community. There are a lot of the meetings are an extension of what we've already done and what he talked about in the campaign. He is going to fulfill all of those promises, most importantly, you mentioned Kanye West, and they mention it in the promo.
Kanye West was very concerned about what's happening in Chicago. There's no excuse for how many murders we've experienced since January in Chicago. And how many people experience violence in the inner city of Chicago. Kanye was very, very concerned and he wanted to reach out to the president to make sure we could do something. And make a change for those conditions, but you'll continue to see Mr. Trump reaching out to people who traditionally, you know would not have an opportunity to sit down with the President-Elect and try to gear and focus and direct what he is going to do for the least of these.
KELLY: Yeah, I mean, Kanye West is controversial for a number of reasons. I mean he is speaking about bullying -- people remember what he did to Taylor Swift. He may not be the spokesperson for that. But he does have an audience of millions and guys in Chicago might listen to Kanye West as opposed to, you know, some sort of elite who is lecturing to them on how they need to do better.
MANIGAULT: I have to say a completely different topic. You dealt with a really good way with the bully and during the luncheon we were at. Someone started booing and throwing out profanities. You knew how to shut it down. And that came from a place that no one accepted.
KELLY: You were there.
MANIGAULT: I was there.
KELLY: I told her, I said something nice about Donald Trump and she booed. And I said Omarosa is going to get you. Then she was quiet.
MANIGAULT: And we were at the table next to each other. But I have to tell you that Kanye has an influence over so many people. This generation responds to him and they responds to his messages. And he was very passionate with the President-Elect about the changes that he wants to see, but more importantly he is ready and willing to serve the country.
KELLY: He needs rest. He just got out of the hospital for exhaustion, on November 30th. He cannot do presidential politics and join the transition issues now.
MANIGAULT: It wasn't that stressful coming to Trump Tower. I mean they got to, you know really have a good time.
KELLY: Why didn't he bring Kim Kardashian? Can you imagine that? Donald Trump, I have never thought I would see this. He missed a television opportunity.
MANIGAULT: Well, you know, he gets so criticized for, you know, being involved in entertainment. But this President-Elect is focused on really carrying out his vision particularly for what's happening in inner cities.
KELLY: Yeah, well, I mean, I think those are voices -- and Ray Lewis what he was saying, a lot of people will listen to him. And there are different kinds of messengers, just like my experiences. And not a history of lecturing, you know to us all of the time. We'll see, Omarosa, great to see you.
MANIGAULT: Good to see you. Feel better.
KELLY: Thank you very much. Yes, so what happens when we were at the Hollywood reporter soiree and I was saying nice things about Donald Trump, saying a lot of things and Kathie Griffin gave me the one finger salute, anyway and I told her that wasn't nice. And after all a lot of things to it, admiring Donald Trump and things went downhill from there. When we come back we'll say goodbye to one of TV's most famous and beloved dads.
KELLY: Breaking tonight, sad news for millions of TV fans. The actor Alan Thicke is dead at age 69, TMZ reporting, that Thicke was playing hockey with his 19-year-old son when he had a heart attack. The Canadian born actor was most famous for his role as Jason Seaver, the dad on the '80s sitcom "Growing Pains", but he also wrote music including theme songs on the hits, like this one. Remember this?
Facts of life.
Alan Thicke has survived with Tanya and his three sons, again Alan Thicke, gone too soon at 69. You know I lost my own dad when I was a teenager to a heart attack. And it does change a person in profound ways. The book "Settle for More" details that story and receives a lovely feedback from people like you, people who have experienced lost adversity.
There's this one from Dale Arnold who wrote, I love the book, it made me laugh, shock me a lot and cause me to look inward asking, and can I be more? I have already send gift to you and I am encouraging others to read it. Richard from Louisiana write, should be required reading for all high school students and on it goes.
Thank you all for reading it. We'll see you tomorrow at 9:00. Good night.
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