Carrier employee thanks Trump, Pence for saving jobs; Gingrich on president-elect's greatest challenges

This is a rush transcript from "Hannity," November 30, 2016. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

SEAN HANNITY, HOST:  And welcome to "Hannity."  President-elect Donald Trump is already fulfilling key campaign promises and scoring big wins on behalf of you, the American people.  Former speaker of the House Newt Gingrich will be here in just a minute with reaction.

But first, tonight's opening monologue. Now, last night, in a major win for American workers, Donald Trump tweeted that he has brokered a deal with air-conditioning manufacturer Carrier to keep about 1,000 jobs that it was planning to send to Mexico, right here in America. Now, we'll be joined by a long-time Carrier employee for reaction shortly.

And tomorrow, President-elect Trump will travel with Vice President-elect Mike Pence to a Carrier factory in Indiana to announce more about the details and about the deal alongside company officials.

But that's not the only major campaign promise that he's working to keep.  Now, the president-elect's nominee the for Treasury secretary, Steve Mnuchin, he's saying that incoming President Trump will already put together a massive Reagan-like tax-cutting plan. Let's take a look.


STEVE MNUCHIN, TREASURY SECRETARY NOMINEE: We're already sitting down and discussing this with Congress. And this is going to be something that happens absolutely within the first 90 days of this presidency. We're going to have a major tax reform, biggest tax reform since Reagan. And it's not just going to be a cut in corporate taxes, but it's also going to be a very large middle income tax cut that's going to help this country.


HANNITY: Now, Mnuchin is also revealing that the Trump team is moving ahead with the president-elect's plan to allow multi-national corporations to repatriate trillions of dollars in profits that are held overseas at a 10 percent rate so that they can bring all of that money back to America to build factories, manufacturing centers and create jobs.

And then there's ObamaCare. Now, Trump has vowed to repeal or replace that disastrous health care law. And last night right here on this program, Vice President-elect Mike Pence said doing so is at the top of Mr. Trump's agenda. Let's take a look.


VICE PRESIDENT-ELECT MIKE PENCE: The president-elect's made it very clear he wants the Congress when they convene in early January to take up the task of repealing and replacing ObamaCare first. And the appointment of Dr. Tom Price as the head of Health and Human Services, someone who literally for the last half a dozen years has been in the forefront of efforts not only to repeal ObamaCare but to put forward common sense free market solutions that will lower the cost of health insurance without growing the size of government.


HANNITY: Now, President-elect Trump, he's not even in office yet, and he's already off to a pretty good start. During the campaign, he made very specific promises to you, the American people, and as we've said before on this program, in order for him to be a successful president, I think all the president-elect has to do -- go down the list, start checking off the things that he promised.

Now, before we get to Newt Gingrich, joining us now is Robin Maynard. He's worked at Carrier now for 24 years, believes his job was, in fact, saved because of the deal that was just announced.

Robin, good to see you. Thanks for being with us.


HANNITY: OK, I watched that announcement. Everybody was in a state of shock. Your jobs, you thought, were all going away. You've worked for this company for 24 years. I'm sure that was not a good day in your life.

MAYNARD: No, it wasn't. Kind of devastating, to speak the least.

HANNITY: What's your reaction to the deal?

MAYNARD: Very excited, looking to finish my career with Carrier and proud to have a job to finish out that career.

HANNITY: Yes. You know, 24 years is a long time, and then to be out in a job market where we have the lowest labor participation rates since the '70s is tough.

What do you say specifically? I can't really think of another instance off the top of my head where a president or a president-elect picks up the phone and says, Don't send these jobs to Mexico. Keep them here. We're going to lower the corporate tax rate. We have other incentives that we're going to be making for all corporations.

What do you have to say to President-elect Trump, Vice President-elect Pence?

MAYNARD: I would like to personally thank them, shake their hands tomorrow, and just tell them thank you for going to bat for the blue collar workers and us little guys down here that -- you know, in saving our jobs and keeping them here in America and not sending them to Mexico or somewhere else out of the country, and just really appreciate them taking time out of their busy schedule and out of their holiday time, Thanksgiving, to start working on this, and then to put it into action a couple days later to end up having a -- you know...

HANNITY: Let me ask you this last question. How bad would things have gotten for you if you lost this job?

MAYNARD: I had some contacts that I -- could have been favorable for me.  But you know, I'm 53 years old and I wasn't cherishing going out, looking for a new job and a new career starting over. I do have a daughter that is a senior in high school. She's looking to go into the medical field. That was going to be...

HANNITY: Would it be fair -- would it be fair to say for some people, it could have been devastating, people you know?

MAYNARD: Oh, yes. Yes. Yes, it could have been devastating for a lot of people because there are some families in there that are multiple income from our factory, a husband and wife both work there...


MAYNARD: ... several relatives of, you know, of other people, you know, so...


MAYNARD: It could have trickled down effect on all of us.

HANNITY: Could have affected a lot of people. All right, Robin, I'm -- I'll tell you what. Next air-conditioner I buy, promise -- because I'm glad we're making them here -- is going to be a Carrier. That's my promise to you, OK?

MAYNARD: OK. Thank you, sir.

HANNITY: All the best, sir. Thank you.

And joining us now with reaction, author of the best-selling book, "Treason," former speaker of the House, FOX News contributor Newt Gingrich.

You know, a thousand jobs may not seem like a lot to some people, but these are a thousand people that maybe won't lose their home, maybe won't have to give back their car, can send their kids to the college they've been saving for, won't have to go out in their 50s and look for a new career. It's pretty profound. I think, to me, it's a good start.

NEWT GINGRICH, R-FMR. HOUSE SPEAKER, FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR: Well, look, I mean, first of all, a thousand families going into Christmas with a new sense of hope and optimism is a pretty good present from President-elect Trump and as a signal to businesses across America that he is serious about making America great again and making us the center of manufacturing again.

It also is going to put pressure on Congress to pass the kind of tax changes that Steve Mnuchin is talking about, the new treasury secretary, that we have to have for the Carriers and the Fords and others to stay in the U.S. So it's a great day. It's something that the fact that President-elect Trump could pull it off is a big, I think, feather in his cap and is a reminder of how much different he is from his opponent.

HANNITY: How does Chuck Schumer -- made the comment today about Tom Price -- how -- OK, you know what's coming. He says it's clear Washington Republicans are plotting a war with seniors next year. Does that mean the people in the villages need to dust off their muskets and pull out their pistols and prepare because Trump's army is going to declare war and he's probably going to start with the largest population of elderly and start going after the village's people?

GINGRICH: No. You know -- you know what it means, sadly, that Chuck Schumer, just like Nancy Pelosi, who got re-elected despite losing -- Chuck Schumer has no ideas. He has no solutions. He has no reforms. What he's got is baloney. I mean, they're becoming the baloney party. And all he can do is walk around and say things that everybody knows aren't true.

There's not a single word of truth to that allegation. Schumer knows it.  And what he doesn't understand yet is that the American people have grown up. They're tired of politicians who offer nothing but attack phrases and have no answers, have no solutions, can't make a positive contribution.

HANNITY: The people in the villages...

GINGRICH: It's a sad beginning for Schumer.

HANNITY: ... watching tonight, they're happy. They're not going to have to pull out their old guns and dust them off and get ready for the war that's about to be started against them.

GINGRICH: Listen...

HANNITY: But you know -- but there's a certain...

GINGRICH: The people -- (INAUDIBLE) wait. The people -- I've been in the villages a lot.


GINGRICH: The people in the villages are a lot more likely to rally to Donald Trump...

HANNITY: I agree.

GINGRICH: ... than they are to rally to Chuck Schumer.


HANNITY: They're going to be turning their golf carts into tanks...

GINGRICH: So he's picking the wrong fight in the wrong place.

HANNITY: ... and turning those little golf carts into tanks.

GINGRICH: There you go.

HANNITY: But on a more serious note, this is a real strategy that they used against you. Before you ever became speaker, I was emceeing the event the night you got elected, and wasn't Christmas and Time and Newsweek were calling you the Grinch, the Gingrich that stole Christmas, and you breaking Tiny Tim's crutch. It a narrative they always use. Why will it not be effective here this time?

GINGRICH: Well, first of all, they used it against me and it battered my personal name ID some, but the fact is, we got re-elected in 1996 for the first time since 1928. No House Republican majority had been re-elected in 68 years.

We came back, and we've held the House except for a brief period ever since. So I think it's great for us. If they want to be negative and stupid, if they want to make baloney the symbol of their party, I think all that does is guarantee Republican victories.

And I think -- but I also think it's sad in the sense that the Democratic Party used to be a party of ideas. It used to be a party that tried to govern. They are degenerating rapidly into sort of a fringe party that relies on nasty slogans and identity politics, and that's just too narrow a base to run the country.

HANNITY: We'll take a break. We'll come back. More with Newt Gingrich.  You have three specific challenges that you think Donald Trump has. We'll get to that next.

And after promising that Congress will move quickly on Donald Trump's agenda, the vice president-elect, Mike Pence, he met with Republican leaders on Capitol Hill. We'll have the latest on that.

And also tonight...


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I kept thinking, doesn't he have, like, a briefing book on ISIS to be reading? Should his behavior change more? Do you think it's sunk in that he is president-elect of the United States?


HANNITY: The abusively biased CNN -- you know, that same network that colluded with Hillary Clinton -- continues to bash President-elect Donald Trump. "The Five's" Kimberly Guilfoyle, Eric Bolling -- they'll weigh in on that and much more straight ahead tonight right here on "Hannity."



HANNITY: And welcome back to "Hannity." Vice President-elect Mike Pence -- he was on Capitol Hill earlier today holding meetings with Senator Mitch McConnell and Speaker of the House Paul Ryan. The Trump transition team remains hard at work filling key positions.

We continue now with Newt Gingrich. You actually had a really good piece that was on FOXnews.com where you describe President-elect Trump's three greatest challenges. Tell us what you think they are,

GINGRICH: Well (INAUDIBLE) this came both from my own experience in being the speaker of the House and it came from my experience working with Reagan in 1980. The biggest challenge is to recognize that this is now a time of really dramatic change and that he has to focus on the things that really matter that make the change.

The city of Washington is going to rush up to him and say, Oh, be reasonable. Well, being reasonable in Washington means selling out. And you'll remember this from the night you were with us in 1994, when all of our key supporters said about 2:00 o'clock in the morning, please don't go to Washington and sell out.

So the first thing is, you got to remember what you campaigned on, why you won, and you got to stick with it. He has a contract with the American voters. He has new deal for African-Americans. The Washington Post actually did a pretty good job of printing over 200 specific campaign promises. He needs to just check them off and not be reasonable, but insist that Washington change.

Second, he cannot allow the urgent to drive out the important. He's got to get up every morning and remember, what is he trying to accomplish, how is he going to get it done? Because lots of little things will crowd in every day. They'll try to take away his energy and his time and be even worse for his staff and his cabinet and others.

So he's got to come back to the big things. He's got to stay focused on those things and not get off on other things.

And finally, it's very important for him to figure out three to five things -- no more -- that are the key to his presidency, the things he wants to be measured on in 2020. And he has to come up every morning and say to himself, These are the things I'm going to make sure happen. Economic growth is clearly one of them. Dealing with the southern border is one.  Fixing the health system has to be one. But he can't have more than about five big things and stay focused on them. That was the key to Reagan's success.

HANNITY: So about five things. But here The Washington Post actually printed out what they have -- there are 282 things, promises of Donald Trump. They got it right there. A lot of them are overlapping, obviously.

You tell the story that when you became speaker, three days later, you went to the Heritage Foundation and you said these words. I will cooperate, but I won't compromise. You said reasonableness will be the death of Trumpism.  Explain that.

GINGRICH: Right. Well, Chuck Schumer's going to come in and say, Let's be reasonable. I'll pass a bill you like as long as it's totally acceptable to Democrats and the public employee unions and liberals. But we can be reasonable.

What that means is, Why don't you give up everything you campaigned on, give up everything you promised the American people, and I'll be for you.  And if Trump says, you know, I'm going to stick with what I believe in, what I campaigned on, what I got elected for, they will immediately scream starting with The Washington Post and The New York Times -- they will scream, He's being unreasonable.

And I think that's why something you and I agree on totally, they should rethink from the ground up the whole concept of the White House press corps, come up with a totally new grass roots model, and not allow the traditional media to dominate and define White House press coverage.

HANNITY: Let's talk about the rules of the Senate because if any legislation is going to stopped, it's going to be in the Senate. And we know that Harry Reid set a precedent, getting rid of the -- using the nuclear option. And I think some Republicans are hesitant do it themselves.

But if things get stuck -- for example, if Trump wants to really fix the economy, his plan's got to pass and it's multi-faceted. Energy independence is a big component. Eliminating ObamaCare is a big component. A 15 percent corporate tax rate is a big opponent. Seven brackets to the three is a big component. Repatriation money is a big component.

Those are all big parts of what would be a recovery plan for the country  But let's say he tries to filibuster. What does he do?

GINGRICH: Well, you go to the country. There's a great book called "The Education of Ronald Reagan," which I recommend to everybody, by Tom Evans.  Talks about how Reagan learned at General Electric how to communicate with people, how to move popular opinion. And his theory was that he would shine the light on the country, and then the American people would turn up the heat on Congress.

There are 23 Democratic senators up for reelection in 2018. Now, we should be able to find 6 to 8 of those senators who simply can't afford to vote no every day. And we should drive home again and again that we're either going to beat you or you're going to vote with us.

And I think you start with things like reforming the Veterans Administration, having a tax cut for economic growth, and you win.

But I'd be very cautious about radically changing the Senate. I think I'm close to Mitch McConnell on this, for this reason. Every time Obama did something that was totally partisan -- the stimulus, ObamaCare -- it backfired because totally partisan bills aren't very well thought out.

HANNITY: The only...

GINGRICH: There's a virtue to the legislative process.

HANNITY: OK, a virtue, but I worry about one issue that they talk about.  And by the way, I do believe we need to rebuild our crumbling infrastructure. But they're talking about a trillion-dollar price tag. I don't hear "Pay as you go," although they have talked a lot about the penny plan, which I support.

Is this -- and here's the other problem. When we spent money on the stimulus, it was misappropriated. It went through the bureaucracy. It didn't end up getting to where it needed to go.


HANNITY: Is there way to pay for this as you go? Should there be a commission to discuss...


HANNITY: ... how to distribute those funds? A trillion dollars is a lot of money!

GINGRICH: Look, I'm very excited by this. On December 13th, I'm going to give a speech to Heritage Foundation on the principles of Trumpism. And this is one of the key areas.

If we do a fundamental overhaul of how we do infrastructure, applying the lessons, for example, of the Wollman skating rink in Central Park or the Fairy Point (ph) golf course that Trump built in the Bronx, where he literally took enormous amounts of cost out of the system -- if we apply those kind of principles, we can build a huge infrastructure very inexpensively. If we apply the principles that Mitch Daniel used, that John Kasich used, that others have used among Republican governors, we can cut 30, 40, 50 percent out of the cost of infrastructure.

If we then open up federal lands for minerals, open up federal lands for energy, we can generate over a 10-year period a huge amount of money that will enable us to actually pay for this. So you could put together a paid- for infrastructure program, but that requires a new approach, it requires giving up the baloney that Washington is dominated by and actually applying the...


HANNITY: ... doesn't that have to be...

GINGRICH: ... Donald Trump has applied in his own life.

HANNITY: ... part of the deal? In other words, Democrats always want money, they always want to spend it. But for example, you always get the tax increase, you never get the tax cut. You always get promises of...


HANNITY: You know, you always get the government spending...

GINGRICH: And that's why you can't -- that's why you can't be reasonable.  That's why you got to come in and say, I'm prepared to give the Democratic mayors infrastructure if they're prepared to give us the ability to open up federal land for oil and gas and minerals. Now suddenly, you got a package.

Now, I think a lot of the mayors are going to say, You know, I really need my roads, I really need my water system taken care of.


GINGRICH: When you look at how bad the Flint, Michigan, water system is...

HANNITY: Horrible.

GINGRICH: ... it's clear we have to have a substantial infrastructure program. But then you cut through the red tape and you apply the principles of Trump, and now you've got a very dynamic, exciting program.

HANNITY: All right. That's a big challenge. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.  Appreciate it.


HANNITY: Coming up next tonight right here on "Hannity"...


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I kept thinking, doesn't he have, like, a briefing book on ISIS to be reading? Should his behavior change more? Do you think it's sunk in that he is president-elect of the United States?


HANNITY: CNN still losing it after President-elect Trump calls out their abusively biased left-wing coverage. "The Five's" Kimberly Guilfoyle, Eric Bolling -- they'll weigh in.

And also tonight, Trump said the Somali refugee who carried out the brutal attack at Ohio State University on Monday should not have been allowed in the country. We'll check in with Dr. Sebastian Gorka, and then we go one on one on extreme vetting with Geraldo Rivera.


HANNITY: And welcome back to "Hannity." So for weeks right here on this program, we've been warning you, the American people, that the corrupt mainstream alt left media is completely biased against President-elect Donald Trump. And perhaps the most one-sided, dishonest offender of this media bias is CNN. Now, let's take a look at their negative coverage just from last night, one night only.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When I first heard that he was tweeting about something that was on this broadcast, a number of tweets, again factually incorrect tweets last night, I kept thinking, doesn't he have, like, a briefing book on ISIS to be reading? He is the president-elect of the United States. I mean, should his behavior -- I mean (INAUDIBLE) should his behavior change more? Do you think it's sunk in that he is president-elect of the United States?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: President-elect Donald Trump announcing more cabinet posts today while continuing to attack the media, particularly CNN, for pointing out that his claim that there were millions of fraudulent vote is baseless. Speaking of interactions with the fourth estate, it's been 125 days since Mr. Trump took questions from reporters in a formal press conference.


HANNITY: Why should he go to CNN? I mean, you guys were colluding with the Clinton campaign! Now, sadly, that's not all. Since the moment Donald Trump became the president-elect, the majority of CNN's coverage has been so overwhelmingly negative, and in some cases just downright nasty. Watch this.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This was a whitelash. This was a whitelash against a changing country. It was a whitelash against a black president in part.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I want to recognize a lot of our viewers at home, this is frightening to them, and I think we should acknowledge that. This may feel to a lot of our viewers at home like a national emergency. Why?  Because Steve Bannon has been described as someone who has described as a white, supremacist, as someone who's an anti-semite.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Inflammatory words about Islam from Donald Trump's choice to be his White House national security adviser.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This hour, hateful groups emboldened Donald Trump's election, on-line opinions moving off line.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He doesn't like people setting fire to the flag because they're protesting him. He doesn't mind if someone stands up and says "Sieg Heil" enough to complain about that.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He doesn't understand that he's a steward of how you do things in America to keep it open and free, and that's the concern.


HANNITY: Here now with reaction, the co-hosts of the hit show "The Five," Eric Bolling, Kimberly Guilfoyle -- in other words, EB, KG...


HANNITY: ... call you guys around the building so...


HANNITY: You know, you watch that every single night. We know that CNN colluded with the Clinton campaign. We know -- they were seeking out questions for Wolf Blitzer from the DNC to ask Donald Trump. They were -- they were -- they were feeding questions to Hillary before a town hall!

GUILFOYLE: They got caught with their pants down, and it wasn't pretty.  That's all I got to say. It's bad!

HANNITY: That's very descriptive, KG.



GUILFOYLE: Really. And so...

HANNITY: It's true.

GUILFOYLE: ... they were exposed for the hypocrisy, the fact that they were, as everyone makes fun, CNN Clinton News Network, because they were in the bag for her. They should hashtag every time they do a tweet I'm with her hashtag because that's how really they were.

Now they're upset because their candidate didn't win, and they're trying to trash talk, you know, President-elect Donald Trump, who had overwhelming support not only in the Electoral College across this country and so many counties and lit up the country red because people were tired of the mainstream media, tired of politics as usual, and wanted somebody who was going to actually do something different and drain the swamp.

HANNITY: You know...


HANNITY: ... Eric, they's making a big deal in the liberal media now about what they call fake news.



HANNITY: Now, if you're -- if you're The New York Times, if you're Politico and you're allowing only Clinton to edit a piece you're writing about her before it goes out and not doing the same for the other candidate, you're fake news. If you're feeding questions to one candidate, that's fake news. You're not a news organization!

BOLLING: Fake news is entertainment, and it's up to the reader to figure out what's fake and what's real. Go look at the source, just look where it's coming from. It's what you point out. When The Washington Post, when The New York Times, when Politico have stories that are only geared towards trashing one candidate and only geared towards propping up the other, that's even worse than fake news. That's propaganda. That's exactly what that is.

HANNITY: Well, if they -- this is an opinion show, but we say we're an opinion show. There's a whole variety of opinions on your show.


GINGRICH: And look what happens. FOX News -- we just posted a massive number of ratings for November. We beat everyone in all news, not -- all cable, not just all news, all cable.

BOLLING: We have people who didn't love Trump and they're able to voice their opinion. It is when you get to the one side, the echo chamber, what you're basically doing is you're saying I want only half the audience.

GUILFOYLE: But the thing is people have the choice who they watch, because we are presenting both sides because we have a great news division and great opinion.

HANNITY: Here is the question I want to get to, though. So I've been making the case that the media does not have the same stature they once have. They've been exposed as taking a side. So why should Donald Trump have a White House press room in the traditional sense where you have, basically, can you imagine, 55 Sean Hannitys, Eric Bollings, and Kimberly Guilfoyles against Obama, because all of these news organizations for Hillary. Why do they get that coveted seat, highly coveted seat when they've taken sides?

BOLLING: I like the idea of everyone -- you bring it to the table, you're a news organization, you get access.

HANNITY: Even if they've proven to have colluded?

BOLLING: Listen --

HANNITY: Why are you standing up for them?

BOLLING: Because here's what happened. We had almost the entire print media against Donald Trump. You had most cable news --

GUILFOYLE: And mainstream media.

BOLLING: And mainstream media.

GUILFOYLE: And network.

BOLLING: But here is my point. And he rose above it.

GUILFOYLE: Because he didn't play their game. Sean, he didn't play their game.

BOLLING: Look at this dishonest media right here, look at camera and do this, and that resonated.

GUILFOYLE: Call them out.

HANNITY: So he has to deal with the fake dog phony pony show with the media every day that he knows hates him, that's not going to cover him fairly, that lies about him.

GUILFOYLE: Didn't show his rallies, didn't show the support for the movement. And that's why everyone feels so duped. But guess what? Blame the people that you chose to watch that weren't accurately reporting what was really happening in this country and you woke up with a shock and awe hangover on Election Day because you're like, wait a second. What just happened? Did we miss all of this? Because you were weren't looking what was happening across the country.

HANNITY: I think unless and until they apologize for what they did, we know they got caught doing --

BOLLING: They are. They're getting caught. New York Times --

GUILFOYLE: They're not apologizing.

HANNITY: You don't get in the White House press room.

BOLLING: Huffington Post --

GUILFOYLE: You know what, Sean, sometimes --

BOLLING: They put him in the entertainment segment.

GUILFOYLE: Sometime I'm sorry isn't good enough. They need to actually change the way they report.

HANNITY: Brian Stelter said we need to soul searching. Start there at CNN.

BOLLING: The market is punishing them just enough. Look at our ratings.  Their ratings are --

HANNITY: But they don't deserve the White House press office. That's my point. All right, good to see you both.

GUILFOYLE: Thank you.

HANNITY: And coming up, president-elect Trump tweeting this morning that the 18-year-old Somali refugee who carried out the violent attack at Ohio State on Monday should not have been allowed into the country. Is he right? We will check in with Dr. Sebastian Gorka. Then a one-on-one "Hannity" shootout with our own Geraldo Rivera about Trump's plan for extreme vetting. That's next.



UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: At this time we are not aware of anyone else being involved in the planning of this attack, but the investigation continues.  It appears that Artan may have at least been inspired by Anwar Awlake and the Islamic State in the Levant, and we will continue to pursue this as part of this investigation.


HANNITY: That was an FBI official earlier today giving an update into the investigation of Monday's Ohio State University attack. Now president- elect Trump is also reacting. He was tweeting, quote, "ISIS is taking credit for the terrible stabbing attack at Ohio State University by a Somali refugee who should not have been in our country." So how did this radical Islamic fly under the radar when he was reportedly posting extremist messages on social media?

Here now with reaction, the author of "Defeating Jihad," Dr. Sebastian Gorka. Dr. Gorka, almost without exception we find out after the attack they've telegraphed it. They've posted on social media their radical leanings. Why have we not started some system of monitoring these radicals and getting to them before they attack?

DR. SEBASTIAN GORKA, AUTHOR, "DEFEATING JIHAD": Sean, really, are you wanting to undermine the civil rights of terrorists? Because that's what Obama administration says. That's how an immigrant comes to San Bernardino who has been studying at a theological madrassa in South Asia and the State Department who is looking at her fiance visa application isn't allowed to look at her Facebook page. It's insanity. It's just absolute insanity.  That's the Obama counterterrorism policy today.

HANNITY: They are telegraphing what they are going to do and we find out always after something happens.

Here is the next question. How many of these people that have been responsible for attacks have been either to Saudi Arabia or in this case have been to Pakistan, also Somalia? Congressman Pete King had pointed out a lot of those that have been radicalized are coming from Somalia. Is there something that we are missing here? And, again, re we putting American lives at risk? Are we gambling with people's lives?

GORKA: I think it was reported yesterday on Breitbart.com, they have done the statistics, the analysis in the last 15 years of all of the people who have been convicted of terrorism in America in 15 years. More than half of them were immigrants of people who are not born in the United States.

This is why Donald Trump won the election in part, because he's reapplying common sense to national security. If you can't secure your border, you will have threats to the citizenry of the United States. If you're not allowed to look at what people are posting on the internet that is pro sharia law, pro jihadi ideology, you will miss these people before they read in "Inspire" how to kill their fellow Americans. And January 20th will be when common sense reenters the United States government, Sean.

HANNITY: It seems to me this is pretty simple. If you come from a country where you have a culture in which you have been brought up in that lends itself to values that contradict our constitutional values, isn't that enough to say that maybe we shouldn't risk bringing you into this country?  In other words, if you grew up in a country that says you as a man tell women if they can drive, how they dress, whether they can go to work or school, or under a culture that kills gays and lesbians, persecutes Christians and Jews. Why can't we just say that's too big a risk? That's a gamble not worth taking. Is that bigotry? Is that discriminatory?

GORKA: Sean, you are such a hater. You really are such a hater.

HANNITY: I've been called worse. I've been called a lot worse.


GORKA: Seriously, this happens because the ideology of the administration is based on multiculturalism. All cultures are equal, and they really mean they are all better than American culture. As a result you're not allowed to make value judgments. The idea that female genital mutilation is wrong, well, you're just a bigot if you say that. The idea that a woman has to be covered and walk 20 paces behind me, you're just somebody who is Islamophobic. It's nonsense.

HANNITY: All right, Dr. Gorka, good to see you.

Up next tonight right here on "Hannity."


TRUMP: Extreme vetting. After all, that is why taking the oath of citizenship is all about.


HANNITY: We'll follow up. Donald Trump has called for extreme vetting of refugees. He's also talked about safe zones. What's the answer? We'll go one on one with Geraldo Rivera about the president-elect's plan. And by the way, who did Geraldo finally vote for? We'll ask him next.  



TRUMP: My plan suspends visas when we can't perform effective screening.  And it puts forward a new ideological screening program to keep out people from our country who don't support our values.

I'm calling it extreme vetting, extreme vetting. After all, that is what taking the oath of citizenship is all about.


HANNITY: Donald Trump on the campaign trail warning about the need to vet refugees who come into this country, especially from regions whose values do not match that of our own. Here with reaction to president-elect Donald Trump's plan for extreme vetting, Fox News senior correspondent Geraldo Rivera.

RIVERA: Hi, hi.

HANNITY: Here's the big question.

RIVERA: I'm not going to answer that.

HANNITY: What do you mean? You come on the program and you're supposed to answer questions.


HANNITY: The big question everyone wants to know, the whole lead-up to this election, you were thinking about voting for Trump but never said what you were going to do.

RIVERA: Right.

HANNITY: What did you do?

RIVERA: I want to back in to my answer. I think that, first of all, you were prescient. You were the most effective commentator in the entire world when it came to this election. You saw Trump early on as the force that he would be. I remember we had him on your program the day after "Celebrity Apprentice," and he asked right then, "Should I run for president?" You saw something in Trump when there were still 17 candidates that no one else in the world did, Sean. And I mean this from the bottom of my heart, I think that you have defied the critics, you never wavered.  You could have backed out a million times. When he made every one of those mistakes, the disabled reporter and the, you know, the Mexican rapists, there were so many miscues where you could have abandoned him, and you didn't, nor did obviously the majority of the voters in the states where it counted. Really, I congratulate you on that.

HANNITY: You're really nice to say that.

RIVERA: I'm not. You're being an accurate reporter.

HANNITY: Here's the thing, the average person, if you noticed all last year, I kept giving out numbers, 13 million more Americans on food stamp, 8 million more in poverty, lowest labor participation rate, lowest ownership rate, worst recovery, doubling of the debt -- that's real Americans, real suffering. We're celebrating today 1,000 people got to keep their jobs.  I'm buying Carrier air conditioners.

RIVERA: I celebrate it as well, but I don't think that that was the essence of it, and I don't think that was, if you analyze yourself you will see what the core was. Remember how Trump in his Scottish golf resort there talked about Brexit. He talked about a phenomenon where the core of the population of the United Kingdom said, wait a second, the complexion of our country, the essence of our country is changing. Why? Because of the unsettled nature in Syria and so forth and refugees and immigration.

HANNITY: We were right more than I wish we were. I was right about Obama in '08 and Obama '12. He has a horrible, atrocious record. You break it down. Listen, this is an important question, though, because you are struggling over the immigration issue.


HANNITY: How did it come out?

RIVERA: I want to come back to --

HANNITY: How did it come out?

RIVERA: Let me come back to the essential issue.

HANNITY: Why do I like you so much?

RIVERA: Because I honor honesty and truth and I consider myself an honest and truthful person.

HANNITY: You are. I agree with that.

RIVERA: And even though, you know, and we are similar in many ways. Your ancestors got here a generation before mine. Dr. Gorka, the guest who is opposed to everything I say in terms of immigration, his parents were political refugees from communist Hungary.


RIVERA: I think that you're an honest person. But I fear that incident like this high profile Ohio State, remember I was in Ohio when this happened. You can imagine. And my in-laws are buckeyes. So it was a very personal story to us. I fear that those kinds of stories, those anecdotal horror stories are the ones that cement the image of immigrants as harmful, as criminal, as violent, and so forth.

HANNITY: Clapper, Comey, Brennan, McCaul, General Allen have all said, Steinbeck, they've all said ISIS will infiltrate the refugee population.  Here is the difference. I support safe zones. We'll put food, medicine, supplies, tents --

RIVERA: Me, too. Me, too.  

HANNITY: But we can't risk that population coming here when we know ISIS will infiltrate.

RIVERA: Why do you defend extreme vetting?

HANNITY: What we're saying by doing that we want to gamble with the lives of Americans.

RIVERA: I meant to say how do you define extreme vetting because I'm for extreme vetting also. Here is a kid. This kid went at 16 from Pakistan.  He went from Somalia to Pakistan at age 10, 11. So how do you forecast at a 10 or 11-year-old will grow up to be --

HANNITY: Here's the problem. I argue if you grow up in a society where a man can tell a woman how to dress, whether she can go to work or school, where marital rape is legal, mutilation happens, gays and lesbians are killed, and Christians and Jews persecuted, we can't ascertain what's in your heart.

RIVERA: We have laws against that.

HANNITY: Laws against what? It doesn't matter.

RIVERA: With Sheriff Clarke and I, we have debated the deterioration or the terrible in the inner city. That is the crime problem that America is dealing with.

HANNITY: Why invite people in that our top national intelligence officers are saying ISIS will infiltrate? I'm not willing to gamble with lives.

RIVERA: But three quarters of a million refugees have come since 2010. As far as I know there have been three incidents that can be arguably called terrorism.

HANNITY: And if it's you relatives in Ohio, your buckeye family.

RIVERA: But imagine of the three quarters of a million people from any inner city what the --

HANNITY: I've got to run. When we come back, we need your help. Our "Question of the Day" is next. Don't forget, tune in tomorrow night to watch Trump and Pence, their first stop on the thank you tour, right here on the Fox News Channel.


HANNITY: All right, time for our "Question of the Day." So do you think CNN has been fair to Donald Trump? No, I don't think so. They're on a mission to destroy him and they have been in Hillary Clinton's corner from the get-go, and they were caught colluding with the Clinton campaign. But we want your opinion. Go to Facebook.com/SeanHannity, @SeanHannity on Twitter, let us know what you think.

Quick programming note, tomorrow night, 10:00 p.m., we'll be live with reaction to President-elect Donald Trump, Vice President-elect Mike Pence's USA thank you tour 2016. That is all the time we have left this evening.  As always, thanks for being with us. We'll see you back here tomorrow night.

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