This is a rush transcript from "Sunday Morning Futures," November 27, 2016. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.
MELISSA FRANCIS, GUEST HOST: Good morning.
The Clinton campaign backing a recount in Wisconsin, but not without criticism from the president-elect.
Hi, everyone. I'm Melissa Francis. I'm in this Sunday for Maria Bartiromo. She will return next week to "Sunday Morning Futures."
So, what will come of the recount effort in Wisconsin and possibly two other states? We're going to hear from a prominent GOP senator in a few moments.
Plus, what now for the United States relationship with Cuba with former dictator Fidel Castro dead and President-elect Trump said to take office? We're going to talk to former CIA Director James Woolsey.
And the markets on a roll, have you noticed, since Election Day. What will this week bring? We're going to get to that with our panel as we look ahead on "Sunday Morning Futures."
FRANCIS: President-elect Donald Trump bashing the effort to recount of votes in three states, calling it ridiculous and the scam. That's surprising, right? Green Party candidate Jill Stein officially requesting a recount in Wisconsin on Friday, and continuing to raise money for recounts in Michigan and Pennsylvania. The Hillary Clinton campaign now joining the effort.
Mr. Trump firing back at the plans last night, tweeting, quote, "The Democrats, when they incorrectly thought they were going to win, ask the election night tabulation be accepted. Not so anymore."
And this morning tweeting, "Hillary Clinton conceded the election when she called me just prior to the victory speech and after the results were in. Nothing will change."
Joining me now is Kansas Senator Jerry Moran. He is a member of the Senate Banking Committee and the Senate Appropriations Committee.
Senator, thanks for joining us.
SEN. JERRY MORAN, R-KAN.: Good morning, Melissa.
FRANCIS: When you -- when you when you look at the numbers surrounding the recount, Hillary Clinton would have to flip Pennsylvania and Wisconsin and Michigan in order to turn this selection around. What do you think are the odds of that?
MORAN: Well, I think the odds are nearly zero. And so, we're going through some efforts that seemed to me to be unnecessary. Our country historically, presidential candidates, those who have lost have rallied around those that won and brought the country together, and I think that's important at this point in our country's history.
If there are legitimate allegations about any kind of cyber tampering with voting machines across the country, than in my view, an election official in one of the state's is probably not the place for that consideration to be had. If there's really serious allegations, legitimate ones, then I think this is a matter for law enforcement the FBI our intelligence agencies.
But this seems to me one of those political efforts that at raising money and stirring the political pot.
FRANCIS: Well, I mean, a lot of people are calling to mind recounts of the past. But if you look at the actual raw numbers in Michigan where the person requesting it has to pay for it, if they want to have a recount, he's up by 10,704 votes. Wisconsin is 22,000. Pennsylvania is 70,000.
But in the issue of a recount when it actually changes, aren't we usually talk about more like maybe a thousand vote margin? These are big margins. No?
MORAN: Absolutely. History really probably isn't the perfect guide other than we've had this sense in our country that elections mean results, results means moving forward for a new president. And in these instances, nothing that is evident would suggest that the outcome of an election, this election, would be changed. And so, it seems to be something less than a legitimate effort to determine the outcome of elections. And that's what a recount is about is, who really won and in this case that's been determined in fact, as has been indicated, Secretary Clinton conceded that she lost.
FRANCIS: The Green Party came forward and said that they looked into the possibility that the results were hacked or some votes were hacked. This was an early theory we heard circulating and they decided that they don't have clear evidence of that, but they're still interested in a recount and as a result, more money is pouring into her coffers. At last count, it was just under six million dollars for this recount that I think she raised during the whole campaign.
Is there any evidence though that any of that money is coming from Hillary Clinton or Hillary Clinton supporters?
MORAN: Well, I don't know whether there's evidence of that or not. I've not heard that, not seen that, and if there is, I assume that will become known through media and other sources. But again, if there -- again, there's no evidence of hacking that I'm aware of, but again, that wouldn't be a determination to be made by an election official in one of the states. If that's a serious violation of federal law and the allegation has been by that has been done by other countries, that's an intelligence FBI law enforcement issue and it has nothing to do with the efforts to raise money.
MORAN: On a website to do a recount in in one of the states.
FRANCIS: As usual, the hypocrisy on this has been rich, all the way around. I mean, from every side, you have Jill Stein stepping out and you don't want to help the process and sort of leaning towards Hillary Clinton if she did in fact when the state. But, in fact, if you look at her number of votes, if she had been out of the race, there are a lot of places where Hillary Clinton would have won if those voters have gone to her instead.
Hillary Clinton herself criticizing Donald Trump at the third debate, on the campaign trail, when she said that he hinted that he wouldn't accept the outcome of the election. I think we have a sound bite of that. Do we have that?
Oh, sorry, I was wrong about that. We don't think that you can imagine with what she said, I'm sure echoes in your head, because we heard it so many times when she said, you know, can you believe it? This is sort of the first candidate in history who said they're ahead of time that they're not going to accept, I'm horrified, they're not going to accept the outcome.
But hypocrisy is what you see in politics, no?
MORAN: Melissa, unfortunately, that's -- I think that's true. The facts don't change, but the rhetoric changes. And I'm of the view that we have a solid election process of the United States. Yes, there are errors or flaws.
But I know, I have been in courthouses, in county clerk's office and election offices across my state, and there are lots of citizens involved in the process people who come just to work the polls, who come just to count the votes, and those people in my experience are doing everything they can to get it right to make sure that the votes are counted correctly. It's not about trying to steal an election.
And so, in my view, Americans historically and rightfully so have accepted the results of an election. And that's where we should be today, as compared to --
FRANCIS: But, Senator --
MORAN: Your rhetoric changes depending on whether you're winning or losing.
FRANCIS: Yes. I mean I think one thing that makes it tough for people who are upset with the outcome is the popular vote, and they talked about the fact that Hillary Clinton receive something like 2 million more votes than Donald Trump. Do you think that there is an appetite in this country now to maybe rethink or look at the Electoral College system?
MORAN: Well, we certainly have the Electoral College system created by our founders. It's in our Constitution, and that was designed for a particular purpose to force candidates to pay attention to all states. And while there's always been concerned or criticism Electoral College, again, we ought to make the decision about that not based upon who wins or who loses, but the value of the of that Electoral College.
And this isn't -- the Electoral College debate ought to be a separate one from what happened or what people are claiming happened in this election.
FRANCIS: All right. Senator, thank you for your time. We really appreciate it.
MORAN: You're welcome. OK.
FRANCIS: The president-elect paving a path forward with Cuba post-Fidel Castro. What will relations between the two countries look like under a Trump administration? And Ambassador James Woolsey joins me next for more on that one.
And remember you can follow us on Twitter at @SundayMorningFutures. Stay with us as we look ahead on "Sunday Morning Futures"
FRANCIS: President-elect Trump discussing the future of the U.S.-Cuba relations in the wake of Fidel Castro's death. Mr. Trump is saying his administration will, quote, "do all it can to help the people of Cuba," a job that will probably fall to the president-elect's top diplomat, the secretary of state.
A part of Mr. Trump statement reads, quote, "Though the tragedies deaths and pain caused by Fidel Castro cannot be erased our administration will do all it can to ensure the Cuban people can finally begin their journey towards prosperity and liberty."
Joining me now is Ambassador James Woolsey. He is the former director of the CIA.
Sir, thank you for coming on the show this morning.
Let's jump right to it. How do you think that a Trump administration will deal differently then the Obama administration is probably the most important question going forward on Cuba at least?
AMBASSADOR JAMES WOOLSEY, FORMER CIA DIRECTOR: Well, as it did on Iran, the Obama administration has negotiated in a very giving fashion with the Cubans, they have not held to a firm requirement, for example, that political prisoners be released and religious discrimination stopped before they would take the steps to improve trade and the rest. And as a result, the new administration coming in is having a move uphill against concessions that were already made by the Obama administration.
And that's a shame because that means that we have haven't given up, but we've made it harder the government the Obama administration has made it harder for the incoming administration to get a better deal, to take a strong line for example on political prisoners and succeed before releasing any change permissions for trade and the like.
FRANCIS: Those on the side of President Obama would argue that what we were doing wasn't working, that we had isolated Cuba. You know, they talk about people driving in cars from the 1950s, that they don't have any modern goods, and that by isolating the people, we are punishing them not the administration. It hasn't worked. So, open the doors to the fruits of what comes from the West and you know the people will rise up or you know their situation will be improved at least.
What's wrong with that argument?
WOOLSEY: I think generally speaking, the Cuban-American community in Florida and the rest of the United States has been right on this. Our problem is not that we have seen too tough a line coming out of the U.S. government on these issues and so, we haven't seen a tough enough line.
And I think that the Trump administration would have a much better opportunity to get a better deal out of the Cubans before going along with some changes if these gratuitous concessions essentially had not already been made by the Obama administration.
FRANCIS: You know, one of the surprises of the election was that Donald Trump got more the Hispanic vote than people thought he would. A lot of that came from Cubans who are unhappy like you said about what President Obama had done.
Earlier today, White House chief of staff Reince Priebus was on with Chris Wallace and he said talking is fine but action is something that will be required under Trump and when asked about reversing the opening in Cuba, he said. Absolutely. He's already said that would be the case. There has to be some movement from Cuba.
How do you think that will be received by Raul Castro and those in charge in Cuba?
WOOLSEY: Oh, they won't like it at all, but the one pretty good guide to policy toward Cuba is if the Fidel and Raul didn't like it, there's probably something good about it.
And we are not in a situation I think such as the Obama administration seems to imply in which there's just something bad out there, nobody's really responsible for it if we just all get together, can't we all get along? That whole pattern I think is dead wrong in dealing with totalitarian dictators.
There is a source of problem here, it's the Castro brothers and the dictatorship they've imposed on Cuba. And the excellent Cuban people deserve a lot better than that. They deserve a tough stance from the United States, I think, to help them.
FRANCIS: Yes, before we run out of time, I wanted to get your opinion on what's going on in the -- it seems maybe still ongoing race for the White House. I understand you have some opinions about this idea that the Russians were able to hack into our electoral process?
WOOLSEY: I don't know if they've been able to hack, the problem is that if they do, about a quarter of the voting machines in the U.S. now as a result of so-called reforms after the year 2000 hanging chad mess, about a quarter of our voting machines don't have paper attached to them. They're just electronics. So, if somebody succeeds in hacking, trying to get it all straight is very difficult.
The other thing that goes on is that the Russians year in and year out not so much just for this election practice something called -- they called disinformatzia, disinformation, which is changing the underlying story over the long haul and devoting hundreds and hundreds of thousands of people to doing this.
This is a serious problem. They use it for anti-Semitism. They use it to attacked church. They use it for all sorts of purposes, and it would be surprising if they had not tried to use it in the current circumstance.
FRANCIS: Like where? I mean, where would you have seen evidence of this along the way? I mean, are you talking about WikiLeaks? Are you're talking about something more subtle?
WOOLSEY: No, I'm not talking about WikiLeaks. I'm talking about a long- term Russian effort to undermine confidence in the West and particularly in the United States and its electoral system and its voting system, and its principles of freedom and rule of law. That's a -- it's not confined to this election. This is something that the Russians have a lot of people working on according to Ion Pacepa, the head of Romanian intelligence in '79, when he defected to the United States. There are more people involved in deception in Russia like this then we're in there armed forces at the time.
FRANCIS: Are you saying, do these people reside in Russian? Are they here in the U.S.? Are they all over the country? Where are they doing their business?
WOOLSEY: The Russians work pretty much everywhere on something like this. They get a story written with the spin that they want in one place and then they can't get it published in another part of the world, say, in the South Asia, then they get it confirmed by someplace else. Then they cite it, then there's statesman his speeches about it.
It's part of an overall effort to, as they say, to disinform, to screw around with history.
WOOLSEY: And that is -- it's dangerous because it's so much of a commitment by the KGB and its follow-ons, FSB and others, and the people who do this. In Russia, we need to get on top of it and understand how it works.
FRANCIS: Yes. When you explain it first, it sounds like political spin, which we see all the time. But I understand what you're saying is the difference is rewriting history that has already occurred in undermine confidence in the basic tenets of our system.
So, it's --
FRANCIS: Yes, ambassador, thank you for coming on. We always appreciate your time. Have a great rest of the weekend.
WOOLSEY: Good to with you.
FRANCIS: President-elect Donald Trump inviting several people over to Trump Tower tomorrow -- not me though, I don't know what happened. I think invitation. He's going to continue to piece together his cabinet. So, who Mr. Truck will be meeting and how soon we might expect some more announcements.
Our next guest weighs as we look ahead on "Sunday Morning Futures."
FRANCIS: President-elect Donald Trump holding a series of meetings tomorrow at Trump Tower in New York City. There, he'll continue working to fill out his administration. Among those who will reportedly see Mr. Trump, former Securities and Exchange Commissioner Paul Atkins, Sheriff David Clarke of Milwaukee County. You know him, Wisconsin.
And for more on this, let's bring in Anthony Scaramucci. He's a member of the president-elect executive transition committee.
Mucc, thank you so much for joining us.
Let me ask you -- I mean, off the top secretary of state's getting like a little achy and uncomfortable there's so much back and forth. You know, there's people in the campaign tweeting I -- you know people calling this unseemly -- is a time for him to make a decision?
ANTHONY SCARAMUCCI, TRUMP EXECUTIVE TRANSITION COMMITTEE: You know, because I'm inside it -- it's interesting to see the outside perspective. But inside, I don't really see it that way.
What I would say about the inside is that there's a deliberative process on their strengths and weaknesses every candidate just like that would be for you or I'm, Melissa.
SCARAMUCCIA: And I think what Mr. Trump is doing, the president-elect is doing, is really just trying to figure out who's going to fit his agenda as it relates to foreign policy, how will that knit into the domestic policy. One of the big things that the president concerned about his ISIS -- and so, I think the secretary state, he wants that person to be able to work really well with the NSA, and obviously, the eventual Department of Defense secretary.
So, to me, taking a little bit more time to get this right is the thing that I think the American people want from the president-elect.
FRANCIS: Definitely no rush on the other post. But with this one there's just so much -- you know, Mitt Romney's getting a little trash and bashed in the process. So, if it does end up being him after so he's taking so much incoming fire right now, Rudy Giuliani taking some incoming fire as well, because it damaging the person that eventually take supposed to who do you think is going --
SCARAMUCCI: OK, so I don't -- I personally do not think so.
SCARAMUCCI: Both Governor Romney and Mayor Giuliani are tough people, resilient people. Both of been in the rough-and-tumble campaigns and seen eggs and tomatoes thrown at both of them. So, if those are the two people and it's one of the two, if there's another person involved, at the end of the day, the president-elect is going to make a great decision for the American people and one that fits in with his agenda that he wants to prosecute over the next four years.
FRANCIS: A lot of interesting people on the docket tomorrow.
SCARAMUCCI: Those guys can take, Melissa.
FRANCIS: Yes, they can take it. OK.
A lot of interesting people tomorrow. Oklahoma's Attorney General Scott Pruitt, Sheriff Clark, somebody who's been on our network a lot, very interesting, very outspoken, very colorful, he's got a book coming out he has a big fan base he doesn't mince words. Elected, he runs as a Democrat but his name is being thrown around for Department of Homeland Security. Obviously knows everything about policing, but terror do you think?
SCARAMUCCI: Well, listen, I mean, he -- again I think whatever we would like to explain the American people that there's a whole series of people that are being interviewed because of Chief Clark's personality, he's going to be the one that the media focuses on the most. But the message from inside the transition team is we're trying to provide the president-elect with all the information we can give them and the pluses and minuses of each of the people.
And the greatest thing about the President-elect Trump is that he's really taking the time in the deliberation. And so, people like what why hasn't he named this person or why isn't in that person? Well, the answer is you want him on behalf of the American people to really run a formal hiring process as opposed to a political favoring process or a process that would be designed the way Washington typically works.
We want to design this process to be the way the president-elect works --
SCARAMUCCI: -- which is deliberative thoughtful and let's bring the A- plus-plus players in --
FRANCIS: Speaking of that.
SCARAMUCCI: -- helped me pick the best person.
FRANCIS: Before we run out of time, I want to ask you about something you know a lot about -- treasury. I mean because this is something obviously your steeped in markets all the time. How is the person -- I'm not going to ask you to tell you who he's going to pick, because I know probably, he's the only one that knows that if he even knows yet.
But what different direction do you think we would see coming out of treasury under Trump than we've seen now? What will be different?
SCARAMUCCI: Well, number one, I think we were going about put together tax plan that will streamline taxes and reduce the burden and simplify the tax code, and reduce the burden of taxes. Number two, remember out of treasury, that's where all the sanctioning comes from and I think the president is going to want to use the sanctioning perhaps if we get into some trade issues with people.
Remember, we want fair trade, we just want to even the playing field. If you look at these documents, the documents are unfair to the United States right now. And to make them fair, you may need to help with the treasury secretary. So, we need somebody with a strong backbone, somebody who is very principled, and somebody that really understands President-elect Trump's agenda and it's going to be forceful and helping him implement that agenda.
FRANCIS: You think that's somebody comes from a corporation, from Wall Street? Who's the best type of person to do that?
SCARAMUCCI: You know, I think the best type of person is three characters is one someone that the president can trust, number two, somebody that knows the policy intimately, and the last thing and this is super important for me and I've watched this -- in the heat of battle, is this going to be a person is going to survive the foxhole tests? Are they going to be running towards the bullets, Melissa, or away from the bullets, like some of these politicians do?
So, we want people running towards the bullets --
SCARAMUCCIS: -- to help the president-elect when he needs it.
FRANCIS: It's interesting point you made about policing the sanctions and having that that's an interesting way to look at that. Good point.
Anthony Scaramucci, thank you so much.
SCARAMUCI: Thank you.
FRANCIS: House Democrats reeling from their election day losses. Leadership elections are coming up this week. Can Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi hang onto her spot in the face of a challenge? A member of the DNC joins us. That's coming up next as we look ahead on "Sunday Morning Futures".
FRANCIS: A possible shakeup at the Democratic House leadership as an Ohio congressman fights to take over the top seat. Representative Tim Ryan challenging longtime top House Democrat Nancy Pelosi, when members vote Wednesday decide who will be the next minority leader.
Joining me now is Michigan Congresswoman Debbie Dingell. She's a Democratic National Committee member and the former Michigan chair of Al Gore's 2000 campaign.
Thank you so much for joining us.
Do you think Ryan has a chance?
REP. DEBBIE DINGELL, D-MICH.: Melissa, it's good to be with you.
And, look, I have a great deal of respect for my colleague Jim, he like me gets in our gut what's happening in the Midwest. But, no, I don't think he's going to be elected minority leader and I'm one of the people supporting Nancy Pelosi right now because we're very disparate caucus.
And while he and I feel very strongly about the Midwest and that's the voice it's got to be heard, we need to hear all of the voices. That's who we are as a Democratic Party. We need to -- I'm not okay, you're not okay, we need to learn how we -- we -- that's how we're going to win. And I think Nancy Pelosi his best position to bring that we together.
FRANCIS: It's interesting though to hear you tie your message to him you know you're saying you have the same feelings and beliefs as him because I think you understand that what he's saying really strikes a chord. He said, "We are perceived in Middle America that we are tied to Wall Street and we're tied to big money and in that sense, Nancy Pelosi looks a heck of a lot like Hillary Clinton." You look at who's backing her, how much money she has a bankroll, you know, and how long she's been in politics.
DINGELL: You know, first of all, when I don't view people looking at us tied to the Wall Street. I mean Bernie Sanders said, well, that's a problem. What I see is people think we forgotten what it means to be a working man or woman in this country. We don't hear -- they don't hear us talking about the issues that matter to them.
And as I said repeatedly, they don't want a lot. They want a job that's gonna give enough money to live in a safe neighborhood buy food and be able to go to a doctor. They're tired of trade deals that are shipping jobs overseas, and something nobody's talking about is pensions that are not in any way an entitlement, that they've paid money in, they're scared they're not going to be there, and I'm grateful that Nancy Pelosi is talking about Social Security and Medicare because that is one of my passions that nobody has talked about during this last election.
FRANCIS: Yes, but if you look at how the election came out -- I mean, it does seem like he's seizing on the idea that the American public wants change. Nancy Pelosi is not seizing on that idea. I mean, if you look at, yes, Hillary Clinton won the popular vote, but everything from the electoral vote to governor's two senators to House -- I mean, local governments. Republicans really swept.
You're not afraid that you need to change the top of your party?
DINGELL: You know, respectfully, I'm going to tell you that I -- we've got to have somebody that's going to pull this all together. She has already announced potential changes will discuss at the caucus on Wednesday. She's put out three communication co-chairs that absolutely reflect the diversity of this country.
Hakeem Jeffries from New York -- these are people she's going to nominate. Cheri Bustos from Southern Illinois, who's a blue dog.
So, you know, she is hearing and listening and I think time to respond to the caucus. I'm something to be voice that's not going to go away in any way shape or form.
FRANCIS: I understand that you do have a vote when it comes to who's going to chair the DNC. That's another position that's in transition over there. The favorite, Representative Keith Ellison of Minnesota -- is that you support?
DINGELL: I have not announced my support for anybody. Keith is like Tim Ryan is a good friend and a colleague. But I think we've got a lot of soul-searching to do, a lot of listening.
I think we've got to go through that process, first, to figure out what this party needs that elections not to the end of February, and I think we need to take the time to listen to understand, see who are the candidates before. I'm certainly not going to commit. I hope others are going to wait and do their soul-searching first.
FRANCIS: Yes, I mean, you mentioned, you know, Bernie Sanders name earlier when you look at the leaders on your side of the aisle. Do see things moving more to the left? I mean even when talking about Representative Ellison, you know people say, oh, well he has the support of Chuck Schumer and Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders and these kind of more extreme people to the left or who are coming forward in the party. Is that the direction of Democrats are moving?
DINGELL: I think we've got to be very careful to be an inclusive party that has everybody in it. We have different viewpoints. We have different perspectives and our streets comes in figuring out how we are the we, that there's a place for progressives, there's a place for working men and women in the Midwest that just want to make sure they've got a job and that the pensions are there. The coasts coach that care about the environment, but the environment doesn't mean that you don't care about again the Midwest too.
We've got to find -- our party is strong when everybody feels like they've got voice at the table.
FRANCIS: But that's what it seems like Hillary Clinton was trying to do and it didn't work. I mean, she's kind of trying to be all things to all people that I can be the left on the left on this. I can be, you know, more centrist on this, that we're including everyone in that what people were hungering for is the specific, you know, the person that's really targeting what your millennials love Bernie Sanders. Trump had his big sport passionate smaller groups of supporters and sort of what propels a candidate forward the broadness may not work.
DINGELL: I'm going to say this to you -- I -- my district is one of the most diverse districts in the country. I'm in Ann Arbor, which is a lot of progressive, the University Town, and the down rivers which are good hard- working men and women. I work for all of them and they know I work for all of them. I understand what their issues are. I'm the first person to oppose trade deals.
And, by the way, said a year-and-a-half Donald Trump exciting people because he opposed trade deals that were threatening those jobs that are going to be shipped overseas.
But when I -- I have the largest population of Muslims in the country. When I had a Muslim soldier that was that something was wrong, I fought for him. You can do both.
FRANCIS: OK. Thank you so much for coming on today, Congresswoman. We appreciate your time.
DINGELL: Thank you.
FRANCIS: Now, here's a look with what's coming up on "MediaBuzz." Let's check in with Howard Kurtz.
Howie, what you got cooking this morning?
HOWARD KURTZ, HOST, "MEDIABUZZ": Good morning, Melissa.
Well, holiday smorgasbord. We're going to start with the coverage of Donald Trump meeting with those network executives, "The New York Times". The coverage of this ridiculously long shot Wisconsin recount, and we'll also take a look at the Twitter shutting down some all right accounts and Facebook grappling with fake news seems to be a bit of a scourge.
And I've got a lot of reaction this one on Twitter -- why are the NFL's ratings down people just getting sick of football? Are we oversaturated? There's too much politics?
All coming up at the top of the hour, Melissa.
FRANCIS: Interesting, although I have to admit, I'm going to be watching football later on today. But going back and forth.
KURTZ: We've got you.
FRANCIS: So that you never miss you, but I got a different on that football too.
Thanks so much. We look forward to your show, Howie.
Once upon a time, President-elect Donald Trump caused outrage by suggesting he might not accept the elections results. You remember that? Now, that shoe is on Hillary Clinton's foot. How's it's fitting?
Our panel is here to discuss as we look ahead on "Sunday Morning Futures."
FRANCIS: So, remember the last presidential debate when Donald Trump said he might not accept the election results and Hillary Clinton called that horrifying? Well, now, she's jumping on the Jill Stein bandwagon to have votes recounted in Wisconsin.
Green Party candidate Stein has raised millions of dollars for a recount and indicates she may do the same in Michigan and Pennsylvania. Team Hillary says it would join those efforts too.
All right. Let's bring in our panel. Ed Rollins is principal White House adviser to President Reagan. He's a chief strategist for a Trump super PAC. Jessica Tarlov is Democratic Foster and senior political strategist for Schoen Consulting. We've got Steve Moore on hand as well. He is a Trump economic advisor and Fox News contributor.
Steve, I'll start with because you have the disadvantage. You're not around here with us.
What do you think -- what do you think about this whole thing? I mean, on one hand, there's a lot of hypocrisy there. On the other hand, everybody's a hypocrite in politics. Come on.
STEVE MOORE, FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR: That's true. Well, look, I guess I'd start by saying denial isn't just a river in Egypt, and I think that the Democrats are still in a state of denial about what happened in the election. It would be one thing, Melissa, if this election were decided by, say, just one state. But for most, you know, for the most part, Donald Trump won an electoral landslide.
I will say this that if the Democrats challenge this and try to change the election, I think there would be a bit of a civil war in this country, and one other thing. You know, you look back at history. One of Richard Nixon's finest moment was when he did not contest the election in 1960 that may well have been stolen from him. And I also say the same thing to Al Gore who accepted the results well after they were confirmed.
But I think Hillary has to step up and accept these results.
FRANCIS: Yes, I'm not sure. Al Gore, you know, took a long way. But the still going back to what Hillary Clinton said on the campaign trail, let me -- let me play that sound bit I'd get Jessica to respond.
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HILLARY CLINTON, D-FORMER PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: Donald said something well he said a lot of things that were troubling, but he said something truly horrifying. He became the first person running for president, Republican or Democrat, who refused to say that he would respect the results of this election. That is a direct threat to our democracy.
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FRANCIS: See, Jessica, this is what played wrong in the election, is this holier-than-thou, how could Trump possibly say this about something we're like, well, if you don't trust the election, you can ask for a recount and now she's doing just that.
JESSICA TARLOV, DEMOCRATIC POLLSTER: Well, the Clintons are kind of piggybacking on the Jill Stein effort. I think if Jill Stein hadn't done this, they wouldn't have brought it up. And frankly, I mean, I'm not in denial, I know we lost fair and square, and I know we have a lot of work to do to do better in 2018 and 2020. It's a very difficult argument to make and her lawyers kind of sidestepped a little bit, saying, like, oh, while since, it's happening will jump on right. But, frankly, I'm more concerned about Louisiana, please give money to Foster Campbell, we need that seat. I mean there are things that need to get done and I don't think that outcome is going to change.
What I love to wake up tomorrow morning -- tomorrow morning and Hillary would be president, yes, that'd be fabulous. I just don't think it's going to happen.
FRANCIS: Ed, you've been around a long time, do you believe that Hillary Clinton's just piggybacking off Jill Stein? I mean, how in the world has Jill Stein just suddenly raised almost $7 million? She didn't raise that much in the whole campaign.
ED ROLLINS, FOX NEWS POLITICAL ANALYST: I think the mistake here is, obviously, Mrs. Clinton, who was badly beaten, unexpectedly beaten by asserting by her own team into think that's going to happen. I think it kind of looks like a sore loser. I mean, it's over 100,000 votes. Those three states, you're not going to overturn them. I've been around a long time, you just don't overturn. These votes are pretty carefully but encountered by the time you get to the process where there today.
And I think to a certain extent, it's a mistake. It diminishes a little bit. Trump some pretty generous to her since the election. He's not going to go after the foundation a bunch of things and I think to a certain extent, it diminishes her just one more notch, and I think it's --
FRANCIS: Does it provoke him do you think?
ROLLINS: Anything can provoke him.
ROLLLINS: Anything can provoke him. I think at the end of the day, it diminishes her a little bit and I think that's the sad part of this point.
FRANCIS: Yes, I'm -- I don't know. Steve Moore, do you think everybody's paying attention to that? I mean, can --
MOORE: Oh, yes, people --
FRANCIS: Can she be diminished more? I mean, you know, she spent 42 years running for president and now, she's you're looking for work again.
MOORE: Yes, being a sore loser is not something you want to be. But people are taking this seriously in Washington and there is some fear on the part of Republicans the Democrats will find some way to steal the election. And so, this is being taken seriously by the political pros and by the Trump people.
And, look, I don't think there's anything to this is. As Ed said, right out they have to turn over around the three states or something like that, to put them in the win column and that just is such a long shot. I wish you'd put it to rest. But to be fair, Jessica, I mean, I think what is sticking in the cross of Democrats is this idea that they won the popular vote by 2 million votes. And that that's --
FRANCIS: -- you know, that's what's really upsetting people on the left, and you know, they think maybe it's time to rethink the Electoral College.
TARLOV: Yes, and we said this in 2000, and there are people on the right when we thought that it was absolutely Trump with lose the Electoral College but win the popular vote.
TARLOV: Republican said it, so maybe it's time for that conversation.
But Hillary Clinton will not -- it's just got overturned those three states and the margins were small. I mean, Michigan is under 10,000 votes I believe command.
FRANCIS: Pennsylvania is 70,000, though, yes.
TARLOV: Listen, I mean when you look at that she won by middle one tells what happened four million votes, these are not Reagan majority there.
FRANCIS: Real quick, we've got to run.
ROLLINS: Our forefathers had the wisdom to create a republic, not a democracy.
MOORE: You got it.
FRANCIS: Here we go.
All right. Panel sticking around.
The stock market continued its record-setting climb this week as the Dow closes an all-time high. But where will the markets go next with the holiday season now underway? Our panel will discuss this and more as we look ahead on "Sunday Morning Futures."
FRANCIS: Stocks closing higher at the end of the week, as the market continues its record-setting rise. The Dow and the S&P goes soaring over the last few weeks as investors wait to see whether President-elect Trump spending plans will speed up our economic growth and everything else he has planned. The Dow rising nearly 69 points Friday to close at a record high.
So, what's ahead for the markets as we enter the holiday season?
We have our panel back with us right now. Ed Rollins, Jessica Tarlov, and Steve Moore. Steve what the markets are reacting to is this idea that, you know, you sort of taking the harness off the economy, you know like the wheels are going to start moving again, you know, with less regulation lower taxes and environment that is based on, you know, more practicality than ideology.
MOORE: I couldn't agree more and you know I've been calling it Donald's Dow. I think the dollars I'm nearly a thousand points since the election.
And the point I would make is that when you look at what Donald Trump is proposed on tax policy with dramatic reductions and tax rates taking the change of regulations off of businesses a pro-American energy policy and I think it was on your fax business show a few weeks ago, Melissa, I said that we would get five years of 4 percent growth with the battle Trump presidency and I think you know there's a born in buoyancy and optimism you see and investment markets out there and I think it will continue.
FRANCIS: Do you think we get to four percent for 2017?
MOORE: Yes, I do. I do.
MOORE: I think once you've got -- look, we can produce a hundred fifty billion dollars more energy every year. Our tax plan I think it has one percent of GDP and then getting rid of Obamacare. I mean, there so many shackles that once you just unleash them, you're going to see I just think you can see big boom.
FRANCIS: Jessica looking at the data over the weekend so shopping in-store was down but that's always expected because people go and shop online. Online shopping was up. The market, you know, has been higher through the year they said generally when it's higher through November, this portends big gains for the whole year overall.
I mean, it feels like sentiment is very positive. What do you think?
TARLOV: Yes. I even said to Ed in the green room before we came out here, that I feel weirdly optimistic and this was obviously not my choice candidate.
TARLOV: I mean, I'm uncomfortable with certain things, but you know, I think that also, there was a poll that was really meaningful last week that showed that of the last four presidencies, that Americans are more optimistic about the economic prospects under Donald Trump. And that's meaningful.
That's why he got elected, right, be a businessman in the White House. And if you look at his other policies that are not overwhelmingly popular with a broad swath of Americans, it is about the economy page. And I hope that he's successful.
FRANCIS: Is it the economy stupid again?
ROLLINS: It is, and it's all about jobs and that clearly those Midwest states that, the Michigans, the Ohios, the Wisconsins, were all about jobs and I think to a certain extent he preached that message. Steve Moore, his plan, which is very much a part of that the -- you know, the Trump plan is a stimulating plan, it's lowering corporate taxes. It's basically getting good --
FRANCIS: But it's a tough task and let me push back a little bit, because when you're looking at the people who voted for him out of the Midwest and people that are out of work because of serious changes that have gone on in the economy where those jobs don't exist anymore and these people want jobs they don't want to be retrained real quick, Ed, what are -- and, Steve it'll come to you -- what are the odds that you can get these people back to work?
ROLLINS: First of all, big corporations are not going to come back, it's going to be smaller businesses, and it's going to be more of that and be lovingly borrow money and not have to pay this enormous taxes at.
My sense is there's a lot of people out there in the job market who want jobs and they'll take things that they want didn't take before.
FRANCIS: Steve, real quick, last word, how does he create jobs for those people whose jobs have disappeared?
MOORE: Well, through the things I just said, but I think you nailed it, Melissa, that Donald Trump will be really regarded in four years based on whether he is able to revitalize those very areas that hold for him so heavily, places like York, Pennsylvania, and Green Bay, Wisconsin, and Rockford, Illinois. That's --
FRANCIS: You got to find a solution in the new economy.
MOORE: Having economic development.
FRANCIS: Yes, it will be interesting.
All right, we'll be watching close. Still to come, the one thing to watch for in the week ahead on "Sunday Morning Futures."
FRANCIS: We are back with our panel. What is the one thing to watch for this week? Ed. I'm going to let you go first.
ROLLINS: The treasury secretary appointment and the secretary of state appointment, those are two of the big four, and they should come this week.
Jessica, what about you?
TARLOV: I agree with that. It's all about the appointments when Donald Trump we know is not very ideological. So I'm looking at who he's putting in place to actually execute these kinds of policies.
And I'm curious about Ben Carson and this HUD appointment and, you know, he said he didn't think he was qualified for something. Now, he thinks that he is. So, that's interesting --
TARLOV: Well, I want to say, I'm concerned about our inner cities, obviously. So --
OK. Steve, what do you think? What's your one thing?
MOORE: These guys stole mine, but I will say this, on Treasury, Steve Mnuchin who worked with me on that tax plan, possibly Jeb Hensarling, a congressman from Texas or about pro-growth Democrat, Melissa, Jamie Dimon.
MOORE: I think it'll be one of those three. And I also be looking, does the Donald Dow continue to soar?
FRANCIS: Yes, those are important things. I'm also going to be watching those sales numbers from the weekend to see how consumers are feeling.
MOORE: You got it.
FRANCIS: Great show you guys. Thanks so much.
TARLOV: Thank you.
FRANCIS: That does it for us here on "Sunday Futures". Maria Bartiromo is back next week.
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