This is a rush transcript from "The Five," November 17, 2016. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.
ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Eric Bolling, along with Kimberly Guilfoyle, Juan Williams, Dana Perino, and Greg Gutfeld. It's 5:00 o'clock in New York City. And this is "The Five."
A huge day for president-elect Trump as the next commander-in-chief holds a series of high profile meetings, as he continues to form a new administration. Transition team officials say Mr. Trump is meeting with big names at Trump Tower including former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, Florida Governor Rick Scott, NSA Director Admiral Mike Rogers and South Carolina Governor Nikki Haley. The president-elect is also scheduled to sit down with Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe this afternoon, actually at this moment. And this weekend, Mr. Trump will meet with Mitt Romney.
Joining us now, our friend and colleague, is Megyn Kelly, anchor of "The Kelly File." Also, Megyn is the author of a new book, Settle For More. We are going to talk about the book in just a minute. But first, let's discuss the latest transition. I think the breaking news this afternoon, Mitt Romney is going to come and meet and the word is maybe he is looking at Secretary of State position.
MEGYN KELLY, FOX NEWS: That's huge, right. That's big news. And honestly, a credit to Donald Trump because Mitt Romney salvaged him in the GOP primary. And so, one of the main questions here -- obviously, we're very interested to see if Mitt Romney is going to be the Secretary of State, but one of the main questions as soon as Trump got elected was, is he going to change his stripes, is he going to do anything to reach out to you know people in the Republican Party with whom he hasn't gotten along or certain groups? And this I think says yes, yes, he is. Because as far as I know, they didn't have a makeup session you know that they still don't like each other, so one of his first moves is to bring in an establishment Republican who doesn't like Donald Trump. If he winds up offering him a position like this, it would say a lot.
BOLLING: KG, Mitt Romney on several occasions, actually on the Neil Cavuto show, questioned whether Donald Trump was hiding something in his taxes.
KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: Yeah.
BOLLING: How do you sit down and you know break bread with that type of -- someone who was against you for so long and then do you go head and put him in your administration?
GUILFOYLE: I think it's tough. But you saw there's a beginning of a peace accord when asked in the election, there was a tweet out that Mitt Romney congratulated him. It was very nice, just like we saw with the Bush family. So people are trying to build and mend fences. Yeah, I think it's tough stuff to swallow it. When people make these comments or things about you, you take them personally. Because it's tough. It's hard to hear. And then also, he was very adamant against him about his taxes, about the fact that he was concealing something, and that he should not be allowed or be chosen you know to be president. He shouldn't be elected.
KELLY: He was a con man.
GUILFOYLE: Yeah, basically. So now, let's see. Do you think he's going to give him a position of that importance? I would be surprised, but you will never know.
BOLLING: Dana, Reince Priebus I thought was a brilliant pick as chief of staff. Do you think Reince had something do with hey, Donald, we really need to reach across and say to the establishment Republican group, you are still part of us?
DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: I don't know. I actually do think this is coming from the top, especially with the Nikki Haley one because she's not that different from Romney. And then, early on, she endorsed Marco Rubio, and was very vocal in doing so. So I think that maybe what Republicans should think about if chosen, follow Trump's lead. If this is what he is saying, let's try to work together and maybe he is trying to recreate Abraham Lincoln's team of rivals, because that was a good way to govern. And I also think not only if this is all true, because I take that with a grain of salt, a lot of leaks. But kudos to Trump, but also to them that would be willing to leave positions that they might have as governor or Romney in his private life, coming out of retirement, and agree to serve.
BOLLING: Greg, Rudy Giuliani has said I want Secretary of State job. He has basically said, John Bolton is good, I probably would be better. How do you have someone who is really going to bat for you for a year and a half, or is this as maybe possibly just an olive branch to the establishment? He doesn't really mean to appoint him as such?
GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: It's hard to say. I mean, I think it's brave of them to invite Ted Cruz over -- given that his dad killed JFK.
GUTFELD: I mean, you know, he's got a family background in assassinations. I mean, that's gutsy. I think it's good -- I think it's a really good sign to have these people come over. Cruz was insulted by Trump and then Romney went after Trump. So it's like getting all of these people together. It's a positive sign. My favorite part of all this is Nancy Pelosi. Nancy Pelosi told Pence to reconsider appointing Bannon. So if you want -- if anybody wants Bannon, have Pelosi ask to reconsider it. Because that basically made sure that he is going to be nominated. Because what are people going to say oh, Nancy, who would you like, is he good enough for you, we'll call him up right away. So I think a memo to Nancy Pelosi, you just basically got Bannon in by opening your big fat mouth. I hope he didn't bow to the Japanese Prime Minister.
KELLY: I can guarantee he did not.
GUTFELD: I'm tired of bowing.
BOLLING: You saw the fighting going on for a year and a half, the bifurcation, the GOP, is this -- the GOP getting back together?
JUAN WILLIAMS, CO-HOST: I think it's more pragmatic than that. I think these people need to be confirmed. And what we have seen is if you look at the State Department, John Bolton, you know, he was the guy for a little bit. People said, I don't know if he can get confirmed. Rand Paul said, I would block him, Rand Paul in the Senate Foreign Relations. And then you look at Rudy Giuliani, and again, gee, he has taken money from foreign governments, from could corporations doing business around the world. It could be complicated. It could make things difficult for president-elect Trump. So then you start hearing about names like Nikki Haley. Of course, you even heard about Ted Cruz, Lying Ted for either Supreme Court or -- and you start to think, well, gee, maybe he is making up. Now, you hear this talk coming about -- I'm stunned. Mitt Romney, not only was Mitt Romney opposed, think about what happened in the state of Utah. I mean, he tried to stop.
WILLIAMS: That's what I'm saying.
GUTFELD: You know, could Trump be tooling them? Exercising dominance by having them come over and just making them kiss a ring and going, get out of here.
BOLLING: Well, maybe not get out of here, but you know, never was going to really appoint them anyway. That would be difficult to burn Rudy Giuliani.
GUTFELD: I mean, Haley, Cruz, and Romney.
KELLY: I don't think so. And I don't have personal knowledge of this, but I will say this. You know, I have also been disliked by Donald Trump for some portion of his campaign. And when I was at Trump Tower, after a brutal nine months, and this is documented in my book for more, he let it go. He really was able to let it go. Once we sat down and get together face to face, we had always had a good relationship, it was behind us. I let it go. He let it go. We were fine. I feel like I very much believe he has the ability to do that. And so, for what it's worth, I believe it's sincere. I bet you Mitt Romney walks away if he is willing to serve with something.
PERINO: And he said so the night that he won on election night or the morning. I remember it was 3:15 in the morning when he gave the speech. One of the lines in the speech was, for those of you who didn't support me, that's fine. I get it. No problem. But now I'm going to be reaching out to you and asking you to help me be the best president I can be. Maybe let's just take him at his word. Maybe he meant it.
WILLIAMS: Mike Flynn is a pretty controversial guy in Washington right now. But Mike Flynn apparently is going to be the national security adviser. The key point here is, Mike Flynn, who normally would look at for a job in the Pentagon, Mike Flynn can't get confirmed. That's a problem.
WILLIAMS: So he decides, I will give you a position doesn't require confirmation. So I think if -- I have so much respect for Reince Priebus. And I think Reince is just thinking, how can we make this as smooth as possible?
KELLY: If Giuliani doesn't get Secretary of State, and given his loyalty to Donald Trump, where does he go?
GUTFELD: It's a great job.
PERINO: White House counsel?
BOLLING: There are few people who may want that job as well.
PERINO: That's a tough job.
PERINO: Are you looking at me?
PERINO: Ambassador to the U.K.
KELLY: Everybody wants that one.
GUTFELD: Department of Awesomeness.
GUTFELD: Giuliani could head the Department of Awesomeness.
GUILFOYLE: I thought he wanted to go to the Department of Interior for the parks.
PERINO: I'm not asking for anything. Believe me, not asking.
BOLLING: Well, it was news tonight, I'm thrilled to hear that you met and it's behind you. I think that's fantastic. I love that idea.
BOLLING: It's great to hear you say it.
GUILFOYLE: There was a special.
KELLY: You know, the other stuff is a fiction of some of -- some people on the left and right who would like to see that quote feud continue.
GUTFELD: You know what, Megyn, a feud gets healed and another one starts.
KELLY: But it hasn't in our case.
BOLLING: Let's look at Ted Cruz. He revealed what it was like to meet his formal rival from the campaign trail earlier this week. Listen.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
TED CRUZ, TEXAS SENATOR: It was very productive. I spent several hours in Trump Tower, had the chance to meet with the president-elect, with the vice-president-elect, with senior members of the transition team. And I think we had very good and productive conversations about how we can work together to really deliver on the promises made to the American people. This election was a powerful mandate for change. I think the American people overwhelmingly said, we want to change the path we're on. And I am eager and committed to working with president-elect Trump, to working with the new administration to get it done, to actually delivering what we told the voters we would do.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BOLLING: So, Megyn, your thoughts on that. Is Ted Cruz really -- would he really take an appointment or would he want to step aside and run against Donald Trump in 2020?
KELLY: I think he would take anything Donald Trump would give him, of the proper stature, right.
KELLY: I think he has shown a willingness to serve. Look, it was a brutal primary by any standards. And Ted Cruz obviously has serious disagreements with Donald Trump. And Donald Trump gave it to Ted Cruz, just as good as he got, right. He went after his wife, he went after his dad. Ted Cruz held on to that. You can't really blame him. But now, again, he is willing to let bygones be bygones. It's like some of the stuff that happened in these political races, you kind of have to say, all right, now he is our president, you have to support him and root for his success. For the country, you may disagree with his policies.
KELLY: But you have to root for his success as a matter of him being our leader. I bet you Ted Cruz would serve and probably be effective.
BOLLING: For AG?
KELLY: It's got to be, right.
GUILFOYLE: AG or even a Supreme Court justice. Because he is bright, he is talented, he is a smart lawyer, he has plenty of time in front of the Supreme Court as well. So he is going to know his way around the ropes. For him, it's almost.
GUTFELD: Around the ropes.
BOLLING: Get him off the radar for good. He can't run against you ever.
KELLY: But can he be confirmed because the senators.
BOLLING: Do you remember when he couldn't get a vote on the senate floor when some of the bills he was proposing because the Republican senators wouldn't vote for it as well.
KELLY: This is an exit path.
PERINO: Take care. We will miss you.
BOLLING: That's a good point.
WILLIAMS: Someone like Nikki Haley, I think -- you talk about Mitt Romney being big news. I think Nikki Haley is big news. It would introduce a woman into the picture in a prominent position. I think she would bring in some of the minority support, the people would say, hey, this is a different look for the Trump team. So I think that's good news. And also, when you stop and look at it, I was also impressed to hear he was looking at Eva Moskowitz, who is a Democrat from New York for education. She's as I have said a Democrat, but she is a strong school choice person.
GUILFOYLE: Yeah, school choice.
BOLLING: Right before he closes down the department?
WILLIAMS: He has to name somebody.
GUILFOYLE: Nikki Haley could get through.
WILLIAMS: I think it was news today that Henry Kissinger was over there.
GUTFELD: The ultimate outsider.
WILLIAMS: Oh, yeah, right.
WILLIAMS: I mean, you know, part of this argument is, no lobbyists. That was also an announcement today, five year ban on lobbying, if you come to serve with him. What do you say?
PERINO: I think that's aggressive. Five years is a long time.
WILLIAMS: It is a long time. So for someone like Ted Cruz also, that could hit you in the pocket.
GUILFOYLE: Yeah, also, I think Ted Cruz, it would be a bit of a redemption for him. It would elevate him again in the different stature because if he decided or wanted to run again, then he also has the robes or you know kind of being the attorney general.
BOLLING: I do like the fact that he is taking his time. I mean, everyone is saying why isn't he announcing more appointments? He is really on schedule.
BOLLING: Yeah, let him take his time. Remember, he promised to make massive change, drain the swamp. It's going to take a lot longer if you are draining the swamp. You are choosing from a completely different puddle.
WILLIAMS: Excuse me, excuse me. A different puddle?
BOLLING: Well, my point is if you don't have the same swamp -- let's say, you go from Hillary Clinton to Jeb Bush.
BOLLING: So there's a lot of infrastructure.
WILLIAMS: A different swamp, John Bolton, Rudy Giuliani, and now, you're talking about Mitt Romney. I have never heard of these people.
WILLIAMS: This is a new swamp, America.
WILLIAMS: I never heard of these Republicans. These are radical outsiders.
BOLLING: Would you call them part of the D.C. establishment?
WILLIAMS: Rudy Giuliani?
WILLIAMS: He was mayor of New York. I believe he was a prosecutor.
BOLLING: The definition of D.C. outsider.
GUTFELD: One interesting thing about the whole Mike Flynn thing is that it is signaling a different about priorities. It's no longer about old rivalries between Russia. We're replacing the iron curtain with the Islamic shroud. The idea that the number one threat for us in our lifetime and even beyond our lifetime will be Islamic extremist, so I think that's a signal, perhaps even though there are problems with Russia and those problems are real, we have probably more in common with them existentially in this war against this bizarre extremist demon that wants to destroy earth. It is kind of a bigger deal.
WILLIAMS: Remember what Mitt Romney said?
WILLIAMS: He said Russia was the number one enemy. So I don't know how he and Mike Flynn.
KELLY: Number one geopolitical.
BOLLING: We have to go. Because when we come right back, Megyn is staying with us to give us an inside look at her highly anticipated book, Settle For More. That's coming up next on The Five.
PERINO: Megyn Kelly is back with us. And we want to focus on her new book, Settle For More, which is on shelves now. OK, so you know that I love the book and I remembered several parts of it throughout. I thought I would want to ask you, when you were writing it, how -- because viewers have come to know you over the years in a way, but not in this personal a way. And I wondered what you thought about when you were writing the part about when your dad died, because I don't think a lot of viewers had known that about you.
KELLY: First of all, thank you, because you were one of the only people I actually let see it in advance. And you gave me such great feedback. Actually, there's a fair amount about you in there.
GUTFELD: Not one mention of me like I don't even exist.
KELLY: You have to look through the lines. With my dad, you know, it's like -- the heart of the book is that adversity is an opportunity. And it's a gift to you that it will allow you to become stronger as you get through it. And I've seen that as most of us have. I know you guys. Everybody here at the table has had adversity in their lives and considerable. And I know all of you have, too. So I included the story just so people could understand that I did suffer a tragedy in my life at a very young age.
PERINO: You were 15.
KELLY: That's right. And my dad died suddenly of a heart attack 10 days before Christmas, 1985. I was 15. He was 45. He never had heart problems or anything before. The night he died, we had had a stupid argument about my class ring. I wanted a nicer one than he wanted -- than we could afford.
KELLY: And I wouldn't let it drop. So I was being a brat. And he turned and walked out of the kitchen. And I walked out and walked up stairs to my room. I will never forget the site of my dad sitting on that couch, staring at the blinking lights on the Christmas tree. As I write in the book, a good man alone. And the next thing I knew, my sister woke me up saying, wake up, daddy had a heart attack. He never -- he never was revived. You know, it was such a dark time. It was 10 days before Christmas. But my mom was so strong, and she's my role model. She's such a doll. She's my role model. And you know I will never forget standing outside of the hospital with her -- you are making me cry. And saying to her, I said to her, will you ever be happy again? She said, of course I will, and you will be, too. And just for my mom to have the presence to get to that place within hours of losing her 45-year-old husband suddenly was an example for me and you know that kind of resilience and ability to understand that there's goodness in life that will always follow the darkness was a gift she gave to me.
PERINO: There's a lot in the book that takes you into moments like that. There are joyous moments. I love the story about when you meet Doug and you go on a date and it doesn't go as well as you thought. I can do better than that. That's fun. We don't have enough time. I knew that bringing that up about your dad would touch somebody like Kimberly. Because she also -- a lot of people in the audience, people that will buy your book, lost a parent when they were a young child. And so, reading about other people's experience can help people in their own grief and to overcome adversity and become strong and successful. We will save Kimberly for a minute. We will go to Eric.
BOLLING: OK. So I paged through the book also, Megyn. Great pictures, they're fantastic.
KELLY: Thank you.
BOLLING: One theme, your family, your children, how has that changed your life and your career?
KELLY: It has dwarfed everything. You think this is important and to some extent it is, right. What we do is important. We have a connection with our viewers and we report important matters. But then you have children and they just change your definition of what happiness is. I know I could lose everything that we have here. I can't -- I'm crying now.
GUTFELD: Men are often like that.
KELLY: That's true.
GUTFELD: I can never have her break down in two.
KELLY: That wasn't exactly my motivation. But I look at them and I know, as long as I have them, I'm good. I'm good. I write in the book about you can handle anything if you know what defines you. At times of trouble, ask yourself, who am I and just remember who you are and who defines you. Who defines me as a person, as a woman, as a wife, as a mother, as a sister, as a daughter? Those are the people who can affect my happiness, my core. It's not BS, nonsense you see on Twitter.
PERINO: On Twitter.
KELLY: You can get up in that. It can -- if you let it steal your mojo, it can change your perception and how you should behave. It's wrong. You have to try to tune that stuff out. It's bus exhaust and instead, inhale all the goodness of those that matter.
PERINO: We only have a couple of minutes left. So we will try to get through as many as we can. Juan, you are next.
WILLIAMS: I was going to say, Megyn, all that you have been through in your career, it's interesting that bullying and what we were talking about in terms of Twitter has come really like a wave over you. I wonder how you deal with it. One of the things Mrs. Trump did when she went out was talk about bullying.
PERINO: If I could jump in -- of course, you remember, you wrote your own book.
PERINO: What I remember was that all of -- everybody watching as well has been bullied at some point in their life. But that happened early on in your life, too.
PERINO: When you were 12?
KELLY: I was in seventh grade.
KELLY: And I feel like I'm on the coach on Oprah.
KELLY: But I was very badly bullied for an entire year. Terrible mean girls who ganged up against me. It was awful. And it culminated in an incident where the head bully called me up at my house and said, you know where all the people are from my party. You have to picture like heavy acne ridden space between the tooth version of me. The hair was.
GUTFELD: Boy, am I turned on.
KELLY: You are sick. Did I mention I was 12? You prick.
KELLY: The mean bully -- the head bully called up and said do you know where all the people are from my party? I said no. They yelled into the phone, we're here.
PERINO: Now, people do that on Facebook.
KELLY: Now, I can ignore them better. You know, like having been through it, you have to build up the core, so you can take a gut punch.
GUTFELD: But, you know, didn't you deserve it after you were shoplifting? Yes, your shoplifting.
KELLY: My life of crime, did you read through that?
KELLY: It's possible I stole something when I was 12.
GUTFELD: Talk about that and the poor message you send to teenagers by being a thief.
KELLY: I brought it all back to Kmart. My parents made me. I had to walk in there and do the walk of shame.
PERINO: Last point. KG.
GUILFOYLE: So I know about everything that you have been through in your life, your losses and recently you lost your sweet nana, which I know affected you. She was so proud of you and you had such a great relationship that you let the viewers see and enjoy. I think one of the best parts of your book is the chapter about paying it forward. I think you believe that's some of the influence of family, the people close to you in your life like your mother and grandma.
KELLY: My nana was the best. She died in October at 101 years old. We were so blessed to have her. That was a different generation, you know. They were not the cupcake nation. And that was the thing that made me want to write the book first. I feel like we're going soft as a country. You guys know, we cover these stories on Fox News all the time. And I wanted to send a message that you need to toughen up, buttercup. Because life does throw things at you, and including disappointments, you know, I talked about when I was in law school, I wanted to be in the law review. I worked my tail off. I didn't get an offer first at a great firm. So I tried extra hard and I got into one. The point of the book is that hard work can get you to where you want to go. That's how my nana saw it. That's how my mom saw it. And whining doesn't do you a whole lot of good because generally, you will find out that no one is coming in to save you. It's up to you.
PERINO: That's true. There's so much in this book beyond what you have read about. We're newsmakers in the book, but you want to be inspired, you want to laugh, you want to hear about it when she comes back to work, if you are a working mom?
GUTFELD: I do.
PERINO: It's all in there.
KELLY: That's Dana's favorite story. You got to check out the book.
PERINO: Sweetest story in the world.
KELLY: About our friend of the family named Betty. You can check it out for more.
PERINO: That's what we call a tease. And here's another one. You can catch her on The Kelly File tonight at 9:00 p.m. Eastern.
But coming up, the debate over fighting radical Islamic terrorism -- sorry, I'm just back from a couple of days off. That is going to heat up. Is president-elect Trump extreme vetting plan from Muslim immigrants about to become a reality, that's next.
GUILFOYLE: Greg. As a candidate, now president-elect, Donald Trump highlighted his plan to enforce extreme vetting of immigrants coming to the U.S. from countries compromised by terrorism. Now we are hearing reports that it might, indeed, happen. Kris Kobach, the Kansas secretary of state, and one of President-elect Trump's advisers, is reportedly saying that the Trump team will screen people coming to America from Muslim countries.
All right, so Eric, how about this development? This is one of the things that he talked about.
BOLLING: He did. And there are several different iterations of what this actually means.
BOLLING: Is it every single Muslim -- is there a registry? Is it every single Muslim that enters the country gets put on some sort of registry? Is it only Muslims that come from countries that are state sponsors of terror? That's another level. And I think they're still working out the details. Kobach has one idea. Higby has another idea. Some of the people are -- I saw Steve King say maybe yes. Maybe we do need a registry. Who knows? It depends on who ends up getting that job and how they're working with the president, however he wants to administer it. I mean, I do think it's constitutional, whatever they decide, any of those options.
GUILFOYLE: OK, so Dana, how do you see it? What do you think about this development? And this information coming out.
PERINO: Well, I feel like it is premature to speculate on it. But because it's still vague, understandably so, because the people aren't in place and they haven't had the briefings, and they're still getting their feet on the ground, it might also be -- it might be irresponsible to speculate, but it's also irresponsible not to fully -- more fully explain what's happening, because it is fueling fears amongst some people in the population. It might also give some people some comfort.
People are vetted when they come into the country if they're coming from overseas. What are they vetted for? What would keep them from being allowed to come into the country? So there's a lot of people here who have family members, or maybe they have business. There's a lot of international business that happens.
So at this point, I think that it would probably be better if everyone just said, "Let's stop and wait. We're not going to have any more announcement on this for a couple of months."
GUILFOYLE: Before we stop and frisk. And -- and deny. Go ahead.
GUTFELD: The one point you have to make clear, because before the media destroys this, Islamism has changed immigration, not the reverse. You know, it's not Immigration acting on a toxic doctrine. The toxic doctrine is causing us to rethink immigration. It's a modern threat from old ideas.
And they've made clear their goal of what they want to do. We'd be foolish not to address it. There are two threats, the immediate threat that I always talk about: the marriage of terror to technology. It's not going to be a box cutter; it will be a drone and anthrax combined. That's the immediate threat.
The long-term threat, which is a lot of people are talking about, what is the long-term effect of an intolerant system when it blends in a republic or a democracy over time, over decades? How does it change the culture? Things that you normally accept, what happens to those things? That's the long-term apocalyptic look. But it's scary either way. And I don't think you -- I don't think you have much time. I think this is a race against time. Takes one agent to ruin a city. Sorry.
GUILFOYLE: True. Sobering.
PERINO: But they're probably not coming -- but they're probably not coming through immigration.
BOLLING: Would you be in favor of some sort of registry, then?
GUTFELD: I think that you have to be extreme vetting people. And surveillance, I'm for surveillance.
GUILFOYLE: You are, yes.
GUTFELD: And I'm for spying like a mofo.
GUILFOYLE: Well, you're for getting the job done. You're actually for effective intelligence tools to be utilized. I am, too.
GUTFELD: Yes. Yes. I am an intelligence tool.
GUILFOYLE: Let's start today. Juan.
WILLIAMS: Well, I mean, I look at...
GUILFOYLE: You're a tool.
WILLIAMS: Thank you. We had something like this in the country after 9/11.
WILLIAMS: We had something like this. So we have a way to look at it and say, did this work for us? Did this keep us safer?
And so I looked up the numbers. It said we had 80,000 Muslim men in the registry and none of them, zero, ever prosecuted with relation for terrorism. But 13,000 of them were thrown out, deported because they had overstayed. And what you hear from people in the Muslim community is it results in more intrusion, more difficulty...
BOLLING: Or it worked. It worked.
WILLIAMS: ... getting through airports.
Let me finish. And so they have -- they have a sense of fear and anxiety. And today, you heard some Jewish leaders say, if they start a registry of Muslims, they're going to sign up, because who comes after the Muslims? You know, it's like suddenly, "Hey, I don't want to do this because I know I might be next."
GUTFELD: Well, if your religion is connected to extreme apocalyptic violence, you should be next.
BOLLING: Not only connected. Demand that you kill an infidel who doesn't believe in what you believe.
WILLIAMS: Gee, we've never seen that in any other religion, never.
GUTFELD: No, I agree. I'm agreeing with you, Juan, you don't. But if it's happening now, you've got to act.
GUILFOYLE: Is this ridiculous or what?
GUTFELD: It's life, Kimberly.
GUILFOYLE: That's on the prompter. It's not me. This is about what's coming up.
GUTFELD: I thought you were addressing me.
GUILFOYLE: I delivered it in such a way as to cause confusion. Pediatricians are now suggesting ways parents can help their kids cope with President-elect Trump winning the election. Greg, you should have known, because this is your block.
GUTFELD: I know. I'm was doing that at Juan.
GUILFOYLE: Details when we return.
GUTFELD: The American Academy of Pediatrics just sent an e-mail to 60,000 doctors, encouraging them to tell parents to talk to their brats about the recent election. Why? To avoid long-term psychological trauma from all the disturbing rhetoric. Boo-hoo.
Of course, I doubt such requests would have been made if Hillary had won or if Sanders had won or if we'd dug up the corpse of Che Guevara and run him instead. No, the only scary monsters are Republicans, even one that used to vote Democrat.
This is a common theme: Assorted media-seeking groups saying we need to deal with fear post-election. But who causes such fear? The very same media-seeking groups who gin up the fear, then pretend to soothe it. They are emotional arsonists setting fires so they themselves can put them out.
It's not much different from the media in general, who recast violence as legitimate protest and speak hopefully of unrest to come. And like clockwork, unrest certainly comes. And it's, surprise, from activists, students and agitators the media salute.
Anyway, if these doctors really cared about kids, they'd stop generating dopey e-mails that treat an election like an act of terror and focus on real stuff that harms kids: like playing hide and seek. I still can't find my brother.
GUTFELD: We reached out to the organization. And they stressed that they are nonpartisan, non-political. They're just concerned. You think they would have been concerned if Hillary won?
GUILFOYLE: No. No. Everybody would have been like lollipops, like unicorns...
GUILFOYLE: ... sunshine and smiles. It's kind of -- it's sad to me, because there's another reason we didn't include one that we've talked about.
GUTFELD: Yes. The woman yelling at the kid.
GUILFOYLE: Yes, I mean, it's just really upsetting to me. Because it rises to the level of emotional abuse to sit there and deliberately terrify and upset your child when parents do something like that. But also educators to create this hysteria instead of saying give someone a chance, talk to them about the facts, explain the office of the presidency, show them the electoral map, go through some of these things.
GUTFELD: Have them read a book.
GUILFOYLE: Anything. Anything like that. You know?
GUTFELD: Get off the couch. Go outside and climb a tree, for God's sakes.
Dana, isn't this just an academy organization trying to get free press?
PERINO: Yes, like all those pitches that you get: "I'm an expert in psychiatric stuff." So I was on this book tour the past few days. I was in Colorado, Wyoming, Michigan and California.
GUTFELD: What was the book about?
PERINO: A dog. I met tons of kids...
PERINO: ... along the way. And they're all super excited that Donald Trump won the election. So...
PERINO: That's one thing. The other thing is I met these people last night in line when I was at the Nixon Library. And they said that their son and daughter-in-law have now refused to have Thanksgiving dinner with them, because they supported Trump.
GUTFELD: This is -- this is a great topic.
PERINO: That's, like, a really great role model for kids.
GUTFELD: "The Five" has been talking about this for years, about the Thanksgiving dinner, about what do you do? This is going to be a great Thanksgiving, Eric.
BOLLING: Yes. We're the kids' table, I think we call this.
GUTFELD: Yes, yes, yes.
BOLLING: I'll go very quickly. The American Academy of what?
BOLLING: Pediatrics, our kids. Do our children really have to be involved in the political process? I get the American Academy of moronic college kids. I understand that remotely. But they're kids. Can we let them live a life?
GUILFOYLE: Yes, leave them alone.
WILLIAMS: You know, I just don't get you guys on this one, because I think it's very real. You said, "What if Hillary had been elected? Would they do that?" Was Hillary talking about grabbing women by the blank? No. Was Hillary talking about bans on Muslims? No, I don't think so.
GUILFOYLE: Who's talking to...
WILLIAMS: Was Hillary talking about racism in the way that this guy did?
GUTFELD: Hillary often was incredibly divisive. She played identity politics to the hilt.
WILLIAMS: Well, that's an interesting argument, but I don't think it's as extreme to a child's ear as what comes out of Donald Trump, who's a real provocative guy.
And remember, we live in a country, Greg, 13 percent of the country's population is immigrant; if you include their kids, 26 percent. So for all those people to hear about, "Oh, let's have a deportation force, let's get these people out," I think that's kind of unsettling.
GUTFELD: Yes, but the media gins it up, let's face it.
WILLIAMS: All right.
GUTFELD: Come on.
PERINO: Come on.
GUTFELD: That was a good point, though, I have to say. But I still won.
GUILFOYLE: Just go.
GUTFELD: Juan. I love Juan.
Directly ahead, has the media been fair to President-elect Trump on the process of his transition? Details next.
WILLIAMS: It's been just over a week since President-elect Trump won the election. Yet many in the mainstream media, gee whiz, getting impatient about when Mr. Trump will pick his cabinet. Well, as you can see in this chart, it took President Obama nearly three weeks before he announced his first cabinet secretary in '08. President Reagan, took him six weeks.
So Greg, what do you think? Is this -- again...
GUTFELD: That's an ugly chart. You think they could have come up with some colorful charts or maybe a pie. That is the boringest [SIC] chart I've seen. Whoever did that chart, that's not a good chart.
GUILFOYLE: I think they got that...
WILLIAMS: Is this -- is this evidence that there is not disarray in the Trump transition team?
PERINO: Possibly, yes. Obviously, the timing of it is that -- they're going to be fine. And I think Kellyanne Conway today said that they expect to make some appointment -- some announcements about appointments either right before Thanksgiving or right after. And that would be right in line with what other presidents have done.
I do think that one of the reasons this story line got started was because Christie was doing the transition, and then he was demoted. And then Mike Rogers was there, but then he wasn't. But now Mike Rogers is actually talking to Trump about a possible position within the administration. So it is slightly chaotic for a reason. It's a transition.
WILLIAMS: Wait a second. Eric, so if it is -- is it slightly chaotic or not?
BOLLING: I'm happy to report, there's no disarray in the transition process. And I would also like to report that Kellyanne Conway will be on "The O'Reilly Factor" tonight. And I will ask her which is the most important one that you want to know that you haven't heard yet? Do you have one that you want to hear? I'll ask her.
GUILFOYLE: Well, a lot of them.
BOLLING: One, give me one.
PERINO: The National Park Service.
WILLIAMS: I want to hear all of them.
WILLIAMS: Kimberly, Kimberly, go right ahead. Go ahead, Kimberly.
GUILFOYLE: Yes, no, I mean, I want to know -- I want to know. I'm excited to find out. I think for sure, like, defense secretary, secretary of state. I mean, let's start right there, right?
WILLIAMS: You know what, Eric? I just think lots of people are interested in the internal -- you know, what they call the knife fight. And you said, "I think that's wrong." But what happened -- what happened to Christie? What happened with Newt, Carson? I think Newt today came out and said he's not doing anything, right? What happened with -- what happened with all these loyalists?
GUILFOYLE: Maybe they didn't want to. They wanted him to get elected.
WILLIAMS: Right, right.
GUILFOYLE: They were supporting him. Maybe they have other things to do.
WILLIAMS: Well, that's, I think, why some people might say, "Hey, here's a list."
BOLLING: What I'm telling you is from -- within the ivory tower, there's not disarray. There are people who are jockeying for positions. And there -- there's some fighting within the people who want the positions.
WILLIAMS: We've got news. We've got new on "The Five." "One More Thing," up next.
GUILFOYLE: We've got news?
BOLLING: Time for "One More Thing."
PERINO: I have some pictures from the road trip for the book tour. Here's my high school debate -- speech and debate coach, came to Fort Collins, Colorado. That's Terry Rich.
Then I got to go to the Reagan Library with John Heubusch. Always a pleasure. A great crowd there. And then I got to go to the Nixon Library. It's remodeled. I highly recommend a visit. If you've been before, go back. Ric Grenell joined me and asked me all about Jasper onstage there.
And then, at the Reagan Library, Caitlyn Jenner came to the event. And I showed her these pictures of the Photoshops "The Five" fan did of Jasper on the cover of the Wheaties box, and she thought it was hilarious.
GUTFELD: Now, that's a smooth transition.
BOLLING: Does she -- does she like "The Five"?
PERINO: Yes, she said she liked "The Five," and she liked all that we did. And she has a book coming out next April.
BOLLING: All right. We'll go to K.G. next. Transition to K.G.
GUILFOYLE: Transition team.
All right. So take a look at this dramatic surveillance video. This captures a moment that a 9-year-old boy saved his baby brother after he fell off of a changing table. Look, and he runs in just in time. The mom, Tila Levi, had just placed her 11-month-old son on the table. She turned her back momentarily while she dealt with the rest of her five children. But the little brother ran in at just the right time. Had his little arms outstretched, you saw...
PERINO: Oh, boy.
GUILFOYLE: ... to catch him. He was a 30 pound baby.
GUTFELD: Shouldn't keep them in that red circle all the time.
GUILFOYLE: And the mom said -- oh, my gosh. The mom said that you also have to be vigilant.
PERINO: I love it when the cameramen laugh.
GUILFOYLE: I know.
BOLLING: That kid could be a wide receiver.
WILLIAMS: That kid -- that kid is -- that kid deserves an award from his parents.
PERINO: Recruit him.
WILLIAMS: Otherwise, the parents would be in big trouble.
All right. President Obama announced the final recipients of his Presidential Medal of Freedom Awards. One familiar face, or to me familiar voice, is among the winners, Vin Scully. Listen to his reaction when he talks to my friend, Josh Earnest, the White House press secretary.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
JOSH EARNEST, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: Every year the president gives out something called the Presidential Medal of Freedom. And this year, he's going to give it to you.
VIN SCULLY, BASEBALL ANNOUNCER/MEDAL OF FREEDOM RECIPIENT: Oh, my gosh. No?
EARNEST: Yes. So you've had...
SCULLY: Are you sure? I'm just an old baseball announcer.
I'm rather overwhelmed and humbled.
SCULLY: Thank you so much, guys.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
WILLIAMS: Also congratulations to the 20 other recipients, including Michael Jordan, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and Robert Redford.
GUTFELD: Robert Redford?
BOLLING: Vin Scully, what a voice. Baseball voice of all time.
Greg, you're up.
GUTFELD: Robert Redford?
PERINO: Yes. Robert Redford.
GUTFELD: I'm sorry.
GUILFOYLE: You're using up your time.
GUTFELD: I know. But my -- I'm plugging something that is probably the geekiest thing ever. I did an hour interview with an evolutionary behavioral scientist from Quebec. His name is Gad Saad, G-A-D. His last name is S-A-A-D. He has a YouTube channel called "The Saad Truth," S-A-A- D. And for an hour, you can stare at that while we talk about -- he is probably the only professor in Canada who is pro-Trump. And he talks about what that was like -- what that was like for him on campus.
And we also talked about all sorts of weird biological differences, male and female. Very interesting things.
GUTFELD: For one hour.
GUILFOYLE: The way you spend your mind -- your time, beautiful mind.
GUTFELD: Go on YouTube and put in "Gad Saad," S-A-A-D, and "Gutfeld," and then you'll find it.
BOLLING: Very good.
BOLLING: OK. So tonight, 8 a.m., you're going to check out Kellyanne Conway. She's going to join me on "The O'Reilly Factor." We'll go through some of the things that you guys wanted to hear about.
BOLLING: Who the...
PERINO: National Park Service.
GUILFOYLE: And what position is she going to be?
BOLLING: That's -- that is the question.
GUTFELD: Shouldn't she be the spokesperson?
BOLLING: Right now, she's the -- well, that's still to be determined. Remember, she has four young kids. And you've got to move to D.C.
GUTFELD: But that -- that is a great excuse when you're up there: "I've got to go. I've got four kids." Like, if they start asking questions, you go, "I've got to pick up the kids."
PERINO: And it also works the other way, like if the home life is driving you crazy: "I've got to go. The president."
GUTFELD: Everybody at work always uses their kids for that stuff. You notice that? "My kids."
WILLIAMS: Especially when they get fired, spend more time with the...
BOLLING: Would you leave -- would you leave this area, would you leave to go to D.C.? Would you?
GUILFOYLE: That's the thing. That's like, if you have young children and they're in school here.
WILLIAMS: Are you kidding?
BOLLING: I thought you're from there.
WILLIAMS: I'm not from there; I'm from here.
PERINO: Everybody can move for a while. Juan, they have schools there.
GUTFELD: I don't want to live in D.C.
WILLIAMS: Yes, you do.
GUTFELD: I already did. I lived there once. It was enough. I had to run home every night, because I was going to get mugged.
WILLIAMS: Where were you?
GUTFELD: I lived southeast.
GUILFOYLE: As quick as your little legs could take you.
BOLLING: We're going to leave it right there. Set your DVRs so you never miss an episode of "The Five." That's it for us. "Special Report" is next.
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