Trump turns over transition team to Pence

Vice president-elect takes lead role from N.J. Gov. Christie; 'The Five' panel reacts to Cabinet selection process


This is a rush transcript from "The Five," November 11, 2016. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone, Happy Veterans Day. We want to thank all the veterans and their families out there for the service and sacrifice for our country. I'm Eric Bolling along with Kimberly Guilfoyle, Juan Williams, Lisa Boothe and Greg Gutfeld. It's 5 o'clock in New York City and this is "The Five."

Three days after winning the White House a shakeup in the Trump transition team, Vice President-elect Mike Pence is taking over as chairman from New Jersey Governor Chris Christie. Christie will remain as a vice chair along with Dr. Ben Carson, General Mike Flynn, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani and Senator Jeff Sessions. When asked whether or not they are being considered for positions in the new administrations, some of Mr. Trump's closest allies are keeping us in suspense.


RUDY GIULIANI, FORMER MAYOR OF NEW YORK CITY: Right now, I'm pretty happy where I am. So it would have to be, it would have to be something where I believe that only I could do that.


DR. BEN CARSON, FORMER PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: We're having discussions. You know my goal in all of this is not so much a cabinet position or any type of government position, but to really help America move in the right direction.

REINCE PRIEBUS, REPUBLICAN NATIONAL COMMITTEE CHAIRMAN: I don't have any updates for you on transition. I'm sitting here at the RNC, and it's a great job, and that's the one I'm doing. And I love it.


BOLLING: All right KG, do we believe any of them?

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: Aren't they cute, and shy, and bashful, and in heavy consideration?


GUILFOYLE: You know, but for sure. And you saw when he said, you know, thank you for electing me, you know, president of the United States. The people he specifically mentioned that repeatedly, people like Rudy Giuliani and Newt Gingrich, all of that; Dr. Ben Carson, Christie -- they're going to get some kind of position, assuming that they want it. I believe it will be offered. And you heard what Rudy had to say. I imagine he's going to want to have Rudy Giuliani, very close by his side and the former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich.

BOLLING: Juan, any thoughts on who we saw? Any thoughts on who might be a surprise, a sleeper?

JUAN WILLIAMS, CO-HOST: I think, though the story of the day is Chris Christie is gone. I mean he puts Pence in to replace Christie. And we know Christie has been having some troubles with New Jersey being governor of New Jersey. But, you know, loyalty is a big thing for Donald Trump, from all I can gather. And I -- so I think it must have been very emotional for him to have to say, "Look, I don't think this is good to have Chris Christie in charge of this." And then from the democrats' perspective, there's the whole notion of so many lobbyists right now who look to be involved, because remember -- I know Kimberly. Kimberly is like, in my brain at night telling, telling me, drain the swamp, drain the swamp .

GUILFOYLE: Oh my, God.

WILLIAMS: . drain the swamp and wash (inaudible).

GUILFOYLE: I'm in Greg's brain, too.


WILLIAMS: In Greg's brain?

GUILFOYLE: Yeah, and it was like Sarah Connor.


GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Yeah, I have this thing with the prostate.


GUTFELD: I have to keep getting up and drain the swamp.

WILLIAMS: I think, I think the doctors took mine.

GUILFOYLE: That's not the swamp.


GUILFOYLE: I'm not involved. I'm not involved in that swamp.

WILLIAMS: Anyway, that all these lobbyists Eric. What so -- people are like, wait a minute .


WILLIAMS: . I thought he wasn't going to do Washington people.

BOLLING: Well, I -- there's no indication that he is.


BOLLING: I mean, you know, but he has to hire -- at least he has to hire quite a few -- tens of thousands of people. He needs 350 in the west-wing and the White House. He needs several thousand in the first hundred days and he needs several tens of thousands going forward. And I know that group. They're not into hiring any of the establishment, the regular people who -- anti-Trumpers, who took shots at them for the last 600 days.


LISA BOOTHE, GUEST CO-HOST: Well, and I hope they bring people from outside the system. You know Peter Thiel in there as well who is a Silicon Valley executive and someone who's been in the tech business, because that has been part of Donald Trump's appeal. He ran an unconventional campaign and the hope that he continues to the White House and runs an unconventional White House because -- what does everybody hate about Washington, D.C. and government, the fact that it's broken, the fact that there's too much bureaucracy. And what Donald Trump has done well, if you look in the primary, look in the general election, he has won with such little staff compared to at least speaking for .


BOOTHE: . Romney had on the campaign team, what the President Obama had on the campaign team. But I think a lot of that stems from the fact that he's a business guy. And the fact that you cut and you read out the fact, you cut the fact. You work with a lean operating machine. And I hope that's what he takes to the White House. So maybe he doesn't have to hire as many people as they have had previously in the White House.


GUILFOYLE: Greg has a point on that.

BOLLING: Greg, so he is a businessman.


BOLLING: And I had this idea going brainstorm today, run this place like you run a business where he is chairman of the board, but you can have a board of directors, too. So when you get a situation where Kellyanne Conway has been so grateful for him, that means she really thought .

GUILFOYLE: Phenomenal.

BOLLING: . that campaign back. Ben helped him quite a bit. Reince Priebus came on. And, this whole group worked together. Why not run it like a boardroom?

GUTFELD: Well, I mean, look how it was run before. You have to talk about - - you're talking about changing the mindset of the White House. The previous mindset was of community organizing. If you looked at the people that where there, they came from that kind of, I don't know, Ernest, we know better than you, failure. It was, you know, it's a big -- it's now falling apart. My big concern is how many FNC contributors are we going to lose? I mean there's Bolton .

GUILFOYLE: Not. Not you.

GUTFELD: . there's Newton. Newt Gingrich, Newton, I like to call to him --


BOOTHE: Wait. This is -- is this your appeal to the Trump campaign, the Trump White House?

GUTFELD: No, I'm happy here. Big Newton (ph) as I call him, Sheriff Clarke, Giuliani; we're going to have to like go to Starbucks and pull people out of the line to fill up our afternoon line up, it's going to be hard. I think a surprising nomination -- we're talking about inclusion, making it different, and Donald Trump reaching out. His transition team should have Caitlyn Jenner. Somebody in the tunes actually knows a bit about transitioning. She's a solid conservative .


GUTFELD: . a solid conservative.

GUILFOYLE: That's why you're not on a "Special Report."

GUTFELD: No, I'm not joking.


GUTFELD: I'm not joking. Donald Trump should reach out, he get the Kardashian vote. He also getting -- he would let people know that he is open to everything and everybody.

WILLIAMS: But Greg .

GUILFOYLE: What is the change?

GUTFELD: Everybody.

WILLIAMS: Greg, Greg, what about the bathrooms at the White House?

GUTFELD: They'd have to address that.


BOLLING: Can I say something?

GUTFELD: I think there are no men and women bathrooms.

BOLLING: Can I bring --

WILLIAMS: No, no. But he actually --

BOOTHE: But what --


WILLIAMS: Didn't Trump said .


WILLIAMS: . that he likes everybody to use the same bathroom?

BOOTHE: What expertise would Caitlyn Jenner have?

GUILFOYLE: Don't ask.


GUTFELD: She's brilliant.


BOLLING: Can we -- this brings back the center for one second. Juan, in line of what Greg said he reached across the aisle.


BOLLING: So what about reaching across the aisle, say, in a treasury secretary someone like Michael Bloomberg who, he may not want the job but - -



BOLLING: No. No, listen.

GUILFOYLE: He bashed him during --

BOLLING: No, no -- yeah, I know.

GUTFELD: That shouldn't matter.

BOLLING: That shouldn't matter. That's the whole point.

GUTFELD: That shouldn't matter.

BOLLING: And Donald Trump is the businessman .

GUTFELD: Don't be vindictive.

GUILFOYLE: Here is the bottom line, you know .

BOLLING: . very good businessman.

GUTFELD: You don't have to be vindictive.

GUILFOYLE: It's not about being vindictive; it's about being (inaudible).

GUTFELD: That's for it.

GUILFOYLE: And if somebody doesn't share your same principles and ideas .


GUILFOYLE: . and specifically .


GUILFOYLE: . want to put forward the platform that the people elected you with .


GUILFOYLE: . wholeheartedly.

GUTFELD: One word.

GUILFOYLE: Why are you bringing --

GUTFELD: One word. Newt. Newt was -- Newt was behind Donald, the President- elect Trump; a hundred percent. But when President-elect Trump screwed up, who was the first one after him? Newt.


GUTFELD: You got -- you can't have all yes men.

GUILFOYLE: It's not all yes men.

GUTFELD: You got to have one no man.


GUTFELD: You got to have one no man.

GUILFOYLE: It's about a specific policy.

WILLIAMS: All right. So here is a --

GUILFOYLE: What do you call it?

WILLIAMS: Here's a nice word about Donald Trump. Do you notice that --

GUTFELD: President-elect Trump.

WILLIAMS: Oh, president --

GUTFELD: Did you get the memo?

WILLIAMS: You know it's hard for me. It's hard. You got to give me time. But --

GUILFOYLE: Juan is in recovery.

WILLIAMS: But I must say -- I am, buddy. I'm telling you .

GUILFOYLE: It's not going well.

WILLIAMS: You are lucky I'm here.


WILLIAMS: But I'm telling --



WILLIAMS: I'm telling you something. Ed Meese is on this transition team. And Ed Messe is highly critical .


WILLIAMS: . of Donald Trump.

BOOTHE: But if you look at someone like Bloomberg, it could be smart politically, because Bloomberg has talked about running before. So what if he is eyeing 20/20, put him on your team, you take him out of the running. It's a good way to get .

BOLLING: Maybe a Bloomberg .

BOOTHE: . gets out of the way.


BOLLING: Maybe a Bloomberg has a treasury secretary. He's not a senior economic adviser, which I would say .


BOLLING: . then you don't want that person.

GUILFOYLE: But that's what I'm saying.

BOLLING: What treasury secretary where all his -- he is concerned about the currency, he's concerned about money flows, he's concerned about, you know, people not having vindictive currency situations with us. I mean, that's a really --


BOLLING: Can I take it there .

BOOTHE: And want --

BOLLING: . of Donald support.

BOOTHE: Well, for Donald Trump, he also has to consider the fact that he wants to keep Republican majorities in the Senate and the House. So he can't be careful about if he wants to tap any of the current senators or any of the members of Congress and the House, because he doesn't want those to be open seats.


BOOTHE: He doesn't want those to end up, you know, in special elections. And then ultimately lose potentially the majority.


WILLIAMS: So, I have an idea.


WILLIAMS: Because I think the world of Michael Bloomberg .


WILLIAMS: . but I want to take it to the next level Eric. What about Elizabeth Warren?

GUILFOYLE: OK, you know.


GUTFELD: Bernie Sanders.

WILLIAMS: That's what I'm saying.


GUTFELD: Bernie Sanders.


GUTFELD: Bernie Sanders.

WILLIAMS: Yeah, yeah, yeah. They agree.

BOLLING: Not so --

WILLIAMS: They agree, Eric.


GUILFOYLE: Sorry, Juan.

BOOTHE: Her and her --

GUILFOYLE: Juan is on Fantasy Island. It's not gonna be any Pocahontas.

WILLIAMS: No, no, no.

BOLLING: They know --


BOLLING: Those two would blow up Wall Street. They would destroy Wall Street.


BOLLING: Bloomberg is not that type.

WILLIAMS: Wait. Wait, wait.

BOLLING: Bloomberg is a smart man.

WILLIAMS: No, but Donald Trump is highly critical of Wall Street and the elite.

GUILFOYLE: OK. But look at the people that he said that he might put on there.

BOLLING: We have, we have two minutes. We have to do another topic. I'm telling you, run this, run this administration like a boardroom. Man, what if -- interesting concept.

GUILFOYLE: Like "The Apprentice."

BOLLING: Like "The Apprentice."

GUTFELD: Oh, God, stop it.

GUILFOYLE: Don't you have anything?

GUTFELD: Don't be an idiot.


GUTFELD: Just like "The Apprentice"?


GUTFELD: That's a TV show.

GUILFOYLE: Hey, moron. That was a joke.

BOLLING: Chairman and the board. Wow, I love this concept. All right --

GUTFELD: You're fired.

BOLLING: . Clinton's -- I'm fired.


BOLLING: Hillary Clinton's supporters, Senator Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders are now extending an olive branch. Juan, are you listening to this, an olive branch to work with President-elect Donald Trump.


ELIZABETH WARREN, MASSACHUSETTS SENATOR: When his goal is to increase the economic security of middle-class families, then count me in. I will push aside our differences and I will work with him to achieve that goal.

BERNIE SANDERS, VERMONT SENATOR: Trump talked about his concerns about outsourcing, his concerns about a bad trade policy. If he is serious about reforming our trade policies and creating jobs in America, and not in China, let us work with him.


BOLLING: In these highlights, Greg, that Trump is not a typical .

GUTFELD: Well --

BOLLING: . GOP Republican.

GUTFELD: OK. This is --


GUTFELD: Like I would be -- obviously against Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren, anywhere close to the administration.


GUTFELD: But, I said this to you last night at the bar .


GUTFELD: I said that Donald Trump .


GUTFELD: . is not a conservative .

WILLIAMS: I agree with you.

GUTFELD: . ideologically .

WILLIAMS: No, you're right.

GUTFELD: . egocentrist.

WILLIAMS: You're right.

GUTFELD: So if he's -- and he is probably the most amenable to doing stuff like this .


GUTFELD: . that any Republican has ever seen.

WILLIAMS: OK. But Eric, a minute ago you were dogging me for talking about Sanders .

BOLLING: No, no.

WILLIAMS: . and Warren. You just put him on TV.

BOLLING: No. I was talking about what they said. They are in favor of free trade, those two. They are not in favor of NAFTA and .



WILLIAMS: No, they are (inaudible) -- they are in favor of doing away with some of these free trade deals .


WILLIAMS: . to protect American workers.

BOLLING: That's what exactly what I said.

WILLIAMS: That's what I say to you.

BOLLING: Doing away with trade deals.

WILLIAMS: All right.

BOLLING: On free trade deals.



WILLIAMS: I think -- and one quick thing Lisa.



WILLIAMS: I think when you look at Donald Trump's number one -- what looks to me the number one thing he's going to do, infrastructure spending.

BOLLING: I love it.

WILLIAMS: So does --

GUTFELD: But that's what --

BOLLING: I love it.

WILLIAMS: What is Bernie Sanders .


WILLIAMS: . Elizabeth Warren --

GUTFELD: President Obama and Hillary Clinton.

BOOTHE: For those two are gonna be his .

GUTFELD: That's the point.

BOOTHE: . troublemakers.


BOOTHE: Because with the diminished democratic presence in the House and Senate, those guys are going to be the ones that are causing trouble for Donald Trump, causing trouble for .


BOOTHE: . Republicans at large. I mean those are the people he needs to eye.

BOLLING: The good news KG is that .


BOLLING: . the Republicans held the Senate. They have a strong hold in the House, and 2018 is going to be even better for them on both -- in both (inaudible).

WILLIAMS: All right.

GUILFOYLE: Absolutely. They've the cards on the table. And so fine, Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders -- people like that have nowhere else to pivot. They've got to say we're going to come to the table and to the extent that they can have through common ground on common sense issues that are going to benefit the working class Americans out there -- we can give you a chance.

GUTFELD: How about Omarosa?


GUTFELD: Where she gonna go?

WILLIAMS: Oh, let's get out of here.

GUTFELD: It's just like "The Apprentice."

WILLIAMS: You are --

GUTFELD: Come on, guys.

BOLLING: We'll leave it right there.


BOLLING: Make sure to tune in this Sunday at 5:00 p.m. eastern. We will be here with the special live post election edition of "The Five." You don't want to miss that.


GUILFOYLE: It's a great day.

BOLLING: Coming up. It was one of the biggest promises the on the campaign trail, repeal and replace Obamacare. But just moments ago, Donald Trump -- President-elect Donald Trump made some major news on that front. What he is planning on doing now -- when "The Five" returns.



DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT-ELECT: Obamacare is a disaster. You know it. We all know it. Obamacare will never work. It's very bad, very bad health insurance.


TRUMP: It is a disastrous plan and it has to be repealed and replaced.


WILLIAMS: There's a new development regarding Obamacare. After a year of campaigning on a promise to overhaul the healthcare law, we are now learning that President-elect Trump may be softening his stance a bit. In an interview with "The Wall Street Journal" Mr. Trump said that after meeting with President Obama he will consider leaving in place certain parts of the Affordable Care Act. Greg?

GUTFELD: Well, OK, two things. President Obama is scrambling to save his signature program. He's like -- it's like watching your car get repossessed in front of all your friends. And he is like, maybe -- it's got his name on it. But Trump -- I will say it again, he is moving to the center faster than a kid with an Oreo. And he's like going -- you know what? Maybe there are some good parts to this program that we could keep. However, those parts we know, now know, are part of a Republican alternative.

BOLLING: Of course.


BOLLING: Those were the two, those are two issues that the Republicans said that they would do way back before Obamacare was Obamacare when -- remember the healthcare meeting with President Obama and Paul Ryan was there? Those are things that the Republicans never pushed back on. Those were part of the Republican --

GUILFOYLE: There was consensus on that to begin with.

BOLLING: And that Paul Ryan, his replacement plan would probably have had that as well. So the big breaking news that Donald Trump may be flip- flopping on a campaign promise, I would say not. I think if anything, Greg points out, he is at least keeping a piece of it.


WILLIAMS: That I think the article in "The Wall Street Journal" suggest that --

GUILFOYLE: It's like a nothing to tofu burger.

WILLIAMS: Larger than just those two elements. The two elements we're talking about .


WILLIAMS: . so that the viewers understand, is element number one, allowing people with pre-existing conditions to get health care.


WILLIAMS: And number two, that if you have a child under 26 on the family's healthcare plan, the child would be allowed to stay on that plan even after leaving college.

GUILFOYLE: And welcoming --

GUTFELD: Those are liberal ideas.

WILLIAMS: They are --

GUILFOYLE: Right. So Juan --

WILLIAMS: You know what? There are conservative ideas, too. But I'm just telling you .

GUTFELD: I don't know.

WILLIAMS: . I think that what you have here is the President-elect Trump saying, hey, you know what? There may be some elements here that are good. And I don't know how that hits conservative ears that have been hearing all along. Oh, Trump is going to get rid of this. So Lisa, another element to consider is, in the last day, a hundred thousand people have signed up for Obamacare.

BOOTHE: Well, I wouldn't read too much into this, because Republicans have long said that pre-existing conditions is something that they would keep in their replacement. But I think we should keep in mind, Obamacare took two years for the Democratic Party to pass. And so ultimately, this is something that will get done under President Trump, Republican -- is it something Republicans have long said that they're going to do now that they have the numbers to do it. It will get done. But it is going to take a while. There's a lot (inaudible), there's a lot of core things that Republicans all agree on that needs to be in the replacement plan. But it's going to take a while for a consensus .


BOOTHE: . in the House and the Senate with President Trump of what that replacement plan is going to look like. So this is going to take a while .

WILLIAMS: But while it takes time, Lisa .

BOOTHE: . to get a consensus.

WILLIAMS: . let's hear what, like Richard Branson and Zeke Emanuel think about doing away with Obamacare.

BOOTHE: For the architects.


ZEKE EMANUEL, ARCHITECT OF THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT: I'm very upset, because I think we did a very positive stand no matter what's your metric. If it's getting people insurance, you know, we have about 20 million people got insurance. If it's cost control, the ACA has definitely brought costs down. And so it's been a pretty big success.

SIR RICHARD BRANSON, FOUNDER OF VIRGIN GROUP: The universal healthcare system in American was not perfect. I think it would have got better and better and better. But to abolish it, I mean, millions of people are going to suffer in the states. You know, the poor, poor people, people will die, people will have -- you know, the misery will come back to what happened before.




WILLIAMS: . you hear Richard Branson, a businessman saying, you know, repeal -- millions will die.

GUILFOYLE: No, he is a healthcare expert. I going to listen to him about airplanes and space travel, but I'm going to listen to somebody from another country say what we should do with healthcare in America? I don't know -- whatever path. And then as for like Lying Zeke, I mean these are the people that perpetuated fraud on the American people and sold them a total bag .

WILLIAMS: Allow --

GUILFOYLE: . of lying goods .

WILLIAMS: Allow me to ask --

GUILFOYLE: . by saying you could keep your insurance, your rates won't go up .

WILLIAMS: Allow me to ask you a question.

GUILFOYLE: . keep your doctor and all that.

WILLIAMS: I heard you call this man, you know, lying -- whatever, but .

GUILFOYLE: Lying Zeke.

WILLIAMS: . isn't it true .


WILLIAMS: . that in fact 20 million people have health insurance as a result of the Affordable Care Act? And isn't it true that it's bent the cost curve?



GUILFOYLE: . people shouldn't want to have a recalled pinto when they can drive a safe car with airbags that won't explode. The point is, don't say just because they have it is good enough; they should be given quality, competitive healthcare.

WILLIAMS: Well, here's the thing --

GUILFOYLE: And that's where the free market is going to come in.

WILLIAMS: OK. So I'm gonna comment to you at this point, because I know you disagree about the cost curve. But also I want to say, this is picking up on Lisa's point, that what we know is that full repeal of Obamacare would take 60 votes in the Senate. Obviously, Republicans are going to have 60 votes, so they can go through a budgetary process --


WILLIAMS: You can go through a budgetary process called reconciliation, but that's going to take, as Lisa suggests, years. So in between, what are people going to do?

BOLLING: Here is the problem. Here is the problem with Obamacare from the beginning. Not that there wasn't an alternative healthcare provider system floated by the government. That wasn't the problem. The problem became when it was a mandate. When you had to buy it or you were going to get fined a tax.

GUILFOYLE: Penalty. Yeah.

BOLLING: Penalized for doing it.

GUILFOYLE: Essentially.

BOLLING: So if you lift the mandate -- boy, you want to know something? Let the government offer another solution so they can compete with Aetna and bring Aetna's price down or Humana, whoever. That's a fantastic idea. But when you mandate that you have to have one of them, therein lies the problem. And you have 20 million people who have healthcare now .


BOLLING: . are at the cost of the expense .


BOLLING: . of another 40 million people who are paying a lot more .

GUILFOYLE: Penalizing all the people paying for it.

BOLLING: . for those people.

GUTFELD: That's not 20 million. Let's be clear on that.


GUTFELD: It's way less.


GUTFELD: You have to factor the people who lost their insurance as well.


WILLIAMS: So here is the thing. Right now the two key ideas that are coming out of the Trump camp are health savings account.

GUTFELD: It's (inaudible) around.

WILLIAMS: OK. And sell insurance across state lines.


WILLIAMS: Do you think that's --

BOOTHE: Competition?

GUTFELD: That helps.

WILLIAMS: Oh, you think this is a --

GUTFELD: Competition makes everything better.


WILLIAMS: . everything to the bottom.

GUTFELD: I mean imagine if you --



GUTFELD: In any place could you not compete and you were stuck with what they gave you.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah. ISIS will go down.

WILLIAMS: But I'm saying, so if Mississippi has this kind of healthcare, I say that's a bit -- bottom line is you can buy it there. It's cheaper. But it doesn't give you very much actual coverage.

GUTFELD: You can make your choice.

GUILFOYLE: But that's the point.

GUTFELD: What if you just want catastrophic.

GUILFOYLE: You have the power versus the government telling you and penalizing you .

BOLLING: Can I give you a good example of this?

GUILFOYLE: . and saying you have to pay a fine.

BOLLING: Here is a good, here's the perfect example. The U.S. government has a system for taking a piece of paper and sending it across the country. It's called the U.S. postal service.


BOLLING: There's also UPS private like Aetna or Federal Express, Humana. Let the government compete with the private .

WILLIAMS: Or single payer?

BOLLING: . when the price is down.

WILLIAMS: Single payer?

BOLLING: But don't mandate you have to be on them.


BOLLING: That's the point here.

WILLIAMS: Well, I -- you know we have to go. But single payer, I think is the liberal idea, not the conservative idea.

BOLLING: No. Single payer means you only have that choice, Juan.

WILLIAMS: No. No, no, you can have that plus, you can say, you can go -- if you want to get it.

BOLLING: But you don't have -- you can have the choice to not have anything, too.

BOOTHE: I think we should listen to Bill Clinton, (inaudible).


WILLIAMS: Lisa wins. Directly ahead, another big Trump promise; build a wall. When can we expect President-elect Trump to make good on that campaign pledge? His illegal immigration agenda is in focus, next.



TRUMP: A Trump Administration will also secure and defend the borders of the United States. And yes, we will build -- what? We were going to build the wall. And here is a little quiz. I'm sure you never are going to be able to guess this. Who is going to pay for the wall?

CROWD: Mexico!

TRUMP: How did you guess?


GUILFOYLE: OK. President-elect Trump's tough stance against illegal immigration, including his promise to build a wall between the U.S. and Mexico became one of his most powerful rallying cries during his run for the White House. If Mr. Trump is looking for support from Congress to execute his border security agenda, House Speaker Paul Ryan, may be on board.


BRET BAIER, "SPECIAL REPORT WITH BRET BAIER" HOST: Are you in favor of building a wall?

PAUL RYAN, UNITED STATES HOUSE SPEAKER: I'm in favor of securing the border. And I do believe that you have to have physical barriers on the border. I would refer to the experts on the borders on what is the right way to actually secure the border. And remember, it's not just border security, you have to have an interior enforcement, you have to have a visa-tracking system, you have to have, what we call e-verify, so someone can't steal another person's identity to get a job illegally. So, on border security, on interior enforcement, this is something that all Republicans agree needs to be addressed, and something that Donald Trump run on. And that means, securing the border. And we're going to do whatever it takes to do that.


GUILFOYLE: So how soon will the president-elect start delivering on his campaign pledge? Bolling, build the wall.

BOLLING: Day one.

GUILFOYLE: What do you think?

BOLLING: I mean --

GUILFOYLE: Shovel ready?

BOLLING: Well, break ground, yes, yes. You can start building it. And there were so many. Well, I don't -- this one I think is very difficult with Donald Trump on. I don't think you penalize Mexico for sending product into America. I think the way you do it is you start building a wall, you can use Mexican workers; that's a partial payment for it. But also, you can do this oil deal, I told you about where if oil is $50 a barrel, you pay Mexico $49 a barrel. You took -- take a dollar than rather paying directly put into an escrow account. That will build up, you know 2 million barrels pay day that we (inaudible) .


BOLLING: Yeah. That will build up overtime. Now pay for, pay for the (inaudible) doesn't affect. It's a free-market solution to making Mexico pay the wall.

WILLIAMS: Oh, is that right? And why would they pay for (inaudible)?


BOLLING: Because they can go anywhere else, because they ship --


BOLLING: They can't.

WILLIAMS: Why not?

BOLLING: Because it costs more to ship the oil somewhere else.

WILLIAMS: Oh, I think there's -- I think there's a global economy for oil.

BOLLING: Because it doesn't affect the global economy.


WILLIAMS: I'm just saying, they can -- they have other markets.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah, but does make it --

BOLLING: It costs them more to --


GUILFOYLE: No. There's an oil delivery transportation fee.

WILLIAMS: Yeah, yeah.

GUILFOYLE: It's better for them to take the deal .

WILLIAMS: But I have an argument with you.

GUILFOYLE: . make the deal and try to send it a further distance.

WILLIAMS: I have an argument with you.

GUILFOYLE: Go ahead.

WILLIAMS: I was listening to Paul Ryan. And when Bret Baier said build a - - he never said, "Yes, build a wall." No, he said, "I will defer to the experts. We'll look at the way to do it. We certainly want to secure the border." He never repeated "Build a wall."

GUILFOYLE: OK. He didn't, like, chant it out.

WILLIAMS: No, he didn't.

GUILFOYLE: But the bottom line is he did say there has to be an element...


GUILFOYLE: ... of border security and border protection, that he would allow the experts...

WILLIAMS: So we'll go to the experts.

GUILFOYLE: ... to decide how to do it.

WILLIAMS: All right. And then you talk to someone like Mitch McConnell in the Senate. He's like, "I don't have any comment," or "It's not on -- nothing I'm going to bring up right away."

Or Rudy Giuliani. Rudy Giuliani says, last night, he says, "Well, that's going to take a while." That's a different message than first day, first hour.

BOLLING: You thought it was going to be up?

WILLIAMS: Didn't you just say that?

BOLLING: You start.

WILLIAMS: That's what you just said.

BOLLING: Yes. You can break ground.

WILLIAMS: I don't think this is happening.

BOOTHE: I think there's a lot that Donald Trump can do immediately on immigration and cutting down on illegal immigration. First of all, repealing -- or getting rid of some of his executive actions on immigration. Most specifically, the most recent executive action on immigration. So those are things that he can do relatively immediately, is to roll back those executive actions.

But here's something, I think, that's really interesting from this election. There's always been this talk that the only way Republicans can win over Hispanic voters is to support comprehensive immigration reform. Guess what? Donald Trump did not. That clearly did not happen in this election. And guess what? He did better than Mitt Romney did with Hispanics.

And you also look, there was a CNN poll back from September that showed that voters were almost split 50/50 on who they thought would best handle immigration. So I think that entire notion that Republicans have to embrace comprehensive immigration reform, that comes from the left. That comes from the mainstream media. I don't necessarily think, as evidenced by this most recent election, that that is an idea that Republicans have to embrace to appeal to Hispanic voters.

WILLIAMS: I think, in fact, when I look at the polls, most Americans want immigration reform.

GUILFOYLE: And they want border security and protection, as well. It's good for the U.S. economy. And it's good for the people in Mexico who are trying to come over here illegally and risking their lives and children getting damaged and harmed and abused.

WILLIAMS: I think most Americans want some kind of immigration reform. And when I look at the price tag, by the way, on the wall, 25 billion? Whoa.

GUTFELD: Wait, wait. Whoa, whoa. Did a liberal just complain about the price of something?



GUTFELD: I think I'm going to have a coronary. I'm having a -- $25 billion is nothing...

WILLIAMS: Nothing.

GUTFELD: ... in the scheme of what government programs are.


GUILFOYLE: Solyndra.

GUTFELD: ... here's the conflict.

GUILFOYLE: For solar panels.

GUTFELD: Here's the conflict. The wall is the shiny puppy that was promised to millions of people for -- on Christmas morning. If you don't give them the wall, you're going to have Ann Coulter and Mickey Kaus and all the others that have been on this issue from day one, they're going to be ticked off.

So he's got to somehow explain this, because to Juan's point, polls do show that the wall was not one of the primary issues. However, immigration is always important. So he's got to -- he's got to find that middle ground. And that middle ground is directly addressing violent offenders. The people responsible for horrible murders, the Kate Steinle, horrible thing. He's got to say, "We're deporting -- we will deport violent offenders. That's the first thing we do. But I'm not going to break up families. OK? I'm not going to do that."

But he's got to -- he's got to thread that needle. And I think it can be done.

GUILFOYLE: And also, President-elect Donald Trump said he would implement a version of Kate's Law, the one that O'Reilly has talked about, as well. Because there has to be something done about sanctuary cities. I know, being a former prosecutor from San Francisco.

GUTFELD: I didn't know you were a former prosecutor.

GUILFOYLE: I don't like to mention it a lot.

Don't go away, because we're answering your questions about the election on this "Facebook Friday," coming up next.



GUTFELD: We're kind of like the Muppets. "Facebook Friday."

GUILFOYLE: Especially you.

GUTFELD: I know.

GUILFOYLE: Size-wise.

GUTFELD: How dare you? I'm going to go to you first, Kimberly.



GUILFOYLE: I'm scared.

GUTFELD: All right. This is from D.G. Interesting. "What will you do with your time now that elections are over?" GUILFOYLE: Actually, I've been thinking about this. So I think I'm pretty good at something.

GUTFELD: Tell me about it.

GUILFOYLE: Correct. Competitive eating.


GUILFOYLE: So I think I need to expand my horizons beyond the chicken wings, which I'm dominating. And I think I want to do sliders next...

GUTFELD: Very good.

GUILFOYLE: ... or hot dogs, like little pigs in a blanket.

GUTFELD: Very good.

GUILFOYLE: What do you think?

GUTFELD: I think that's a great idea.

GUILFOYLE: Do you remember I got challenged -- Bolling remembers this. I got challenged by the Hooter girls to do the chicken wing eating contest? FOX didn't approve it. Canceled.

GUTFELD: It's a new era. We'll look back on that.



WILLIAMS: Eric has told me that I'm no longer allowed to read polls. So I have to read novels and history again. I'll get back to reading books.

And also, you know, so now it's, you know, my time. Right? I can just do whatever I want. Right? Stages of grief.


WILLIAMS: How many stages of grief?

GUTFELD: I think there's five.

WILLIAMS: Five, so...

BOOTHE: Juan is going to go into counseling.


BOLLING: Denial, anger. Then you don't care. What's that one called?

GUTFELD: Acceptance.

WILLIAMS: Acceptance.

BOLLING: You're not there yet.

WILLIAMS: I have to go through, so everybody has to give me time.

GUTFELD: We will.

BOOTHE: Does FOX offer grief counseling?

BOLLING: The schools are.

GUILFOYLE: It's called this. Tough love.

GUTFELD: Hey, this is an intervention.

WILLIAMS: Therapy dogs.

BOLLING: If you want to keep your grief counseling, you can keep your grief counseling. I've heard that's part of Obamacare.

BOOTHE: I've heard that before.

BOLLING: I think I'm going to just get back to working out again. I used to run quite a bit. And I still do, but I'd like to do that more. And mix in some weight lifting.

GUILFOYLE: That's a good idea. I have to get back to boxing.

GUTFELD: I would like you to film that for us so I can watch it. I don't know. Something fun to do.

GUILFOYLE: Multi-deviant platform. Wow.

GUTFELD: Lisa, big plans now that this is over?

BOOTHE: Sleep.


BOOTHE: I need to go on vacation. I haven't been on vacation in forever. I don't know where -- I have a wedding in May that I'm going to in Cabo. But that's a little bit further away.




BOOTHE: I know. It's going to be fun.

BOLLING: Try to save you five.

BOOTHE: I need to do something sooner than that, I think. It's a little far away.

GUTFELD: I'm just going to do odd jobs like I always do around O'Reilly's house. I do his lawn.

GUILFOYLE: Get his dry cleaning?

GUTFELD: Get his dry cleaning. It's great. It's for extra change.

GUILFOYLE: Clean his hot tub?


All right. Next question. From Carrie G. We're going to go...

GUILFOYLE: He has one.

GUTFELD: We're going to go this way. I wouldn't know.

All right. "If President-elect Trump gave you the opportunity to choose a cabinet position, which would you choose? Would you create a new one?" We'll go this way.

BOOTHE: I would be the press secretary.

GUTFELD: Really?

BOOTHE: Yes. It would be fun. Answer questions from reporters. That's what I've been doing for the past eight years. Campaign communication.

WILLIAMS: Lisa, Lisa, not a cabinet job.

GUILFOYLE: Uh-oh. Wait a second.

BOOTHE: Oh, yes. Shoot. No, sorry. Thank you, Juan. For blowing my spot. First time on the show and you're embarrassing me...

GUTFELD: Yes, way to just ruin her.

BOOTHE: ... in front of national television.

BOLLING: Create it. Make it one.

WILLIAMS: Make it. Make it one.

BOOTHE: Can we come back to me?

GUTFELD: All right. All right, Eric.

BOLLING: No doubt, if -- if I got fired? You're going to leave? S Clearly, treasury secretary. Can you imagine having your name on every bill, paper bill, going forward during your...

WILLIAMS: I think you have bigger stuff to do if you're treasury secretary.

BOLLING: I know. But that would be a cool perk.


BOLLING: I'll tell you one thing I wouldn't do.

WILLIAMS: What's that?

BOLLING: I wouldn't throw a trillion dollars in free money...

GUILFOYLE: I don't know. Juan's, like, biorhythms are down right now.

GUTFELD: Juan. Come on, Juan.

WILLIAMS: It's me?

GUTFELD: You're bringing us down here. You're the depress secretary.

WILLIAMS: The depress secretary.

GUILFOYLE: Debbie Downer over here.

WILLIAMS: Meet the depressed. Here I am.

So I would say my interest would be education and doing something about schools and school choice. I would definitely be behind that. I think Trump would be behind it, too, so we would be in sync on that.

But I think for you, Greg, I think you should be labor secretary. Because we have to deal with the bionics and robots coming.

GUTFELD: That was going to be...

GUILFOYLE: He can create his own little artificial intelligence czar robot obsessor.

GUTFELD: That's exactly -- I would like to be the Department of Artificial Intelligence. I would drive everybody crazy. That's all I would talk about all day.

GUILFOYLE: God, I hope he is watching. Please take him.

GUTFELD: Also, I'd be in charge of -- I would be in charge of pharmaceuticals. So, like, when you come into the White House, you've got to put your -- you have to sign in your pharmaceuticals with me. And I will keep it in my special area. And then at the end of the day, you get them back.

BOOTHE: They would give you a janitor's closet somewhere.

GUILFOYLE: Perfect. I don't know. There's a lot of jobs I would like, to be perfectly honest. Something definitely involved with killing.

I mean, but there's a wide variety of jobs.

GUTFELD: Department of Killing.

GUILFOYLE: Department of Killing, the czar of killing. ISIS national security adviser. I don't know. There's a lot of things I would like to be in charge of, in fact.

GUTFELD: Well, I think you would do a fine job in the Department of Killing.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, I agree. I agree.

GUTFELD: Because you kill every night.

BOOTHE: They hire often. They cycle through people very quickly.

GUILFOYLE: Remember my invisible Facebook, same question? Put me in in Raqqah, invisible.

GUTFELD: I like that. All right.


GUTFELD: Anti-Trump agitators have temper tantrums -- or trantrums -- for a second night in a row. Is their behavior fair or is it time to accept the election? That's next on "The Five."


BOOTHE: Another night of anti-Trump agitators spilling into the streets and cities nationwide. This time smashing cars and setting fires over what they perceive as an unfair election. Mr. Trump's campaign manager has a message for those unhappy mobs.


KELLYANNE CONWAY, TRUMP'S CAMPAIGN MANAGER: This afternoon, President Bill Clinton called President-elect Trump, and they had a very warm conversation. That's my message to the protesters, too, which is take your cues from these five or six people today. The sitting president, the former president.

MEGYN KELLY, FOX NEWS ANCHOR: Keep an open mind. Keep an open mind.

CONWAY: Certainly the Trumps.


BOOTHE: So does the country need more leadership from the left to calm these agitators down?

Juan, so we've seen Hillary Clinton and -- as well as President Obama call for unity post-election. But do we need to see condemnation from them?

WILLIAMS: Condemnation of what? Protests?

BOOTHE: For these riots. They're not even protests; these are riots.

WILLIAMS: Let's be clear. There was some trouble that the police in Portland said was a riot. But most of these protests have been peaceful. And in fact, I think the question is, why Donald Trump sent out a tweet...

BOLLING: Peaceful?

WILLIAMS: Peaceful.

BOLLING: Are you watching? Have you turned your TV on?

BOOTHE: On fire. And burning things down. Smashing cars.

WILLIAMS: I'm telling you that I saw the one here in New York in person. And it's very peaceful. Kids -- young people shouting.

But what got my attention was Donald Trump tweeting, oh, these are professional protesters incited by the media, as if they're being paid to be there. Let me tell you: those people are genuine, genuinely concerned about Donald Trump.

GUILFOYLE: You know each one of them?

WILLIAMS: No, I'm just telling you.

BOOTHE: George Soros. Juan is calling George Soros and their...

GUTFELD: It's peaceful if you look at the buildings which are in pieces after these people go in and break it down.

Look, OK, No. 1, remember the media when the media was speculating. Trump violence after a Trump loss. But it's not them. It's these precious snowflakes that have not been educated to deal with loss. A lot of these students, what are they going to do when they get out into the real world and they face actual defeat?

This is a democratic election. They are protesting something that -- an actual, legitimate vote, as opposed to countries that kill people rather than let them vote.

GUILFOYLE: These have been that have been given trophies for losing, OK, and safe spaces and naps and, like, 7-Eleven Slurpees, which I do love. But they don't know how to deal with normal situations. How many of them even voted?

You had a chance to affect the outcome. Your candidate did not cross the finish line. This is democracy in America. Back a better candidate next time.

BOOTHE: Kimberly, you're a former prosecutor.

GUILFOYLE: Thank you.

BOOTHE: I know. I'm bringing it up again.

GUILFOYLE: Resume building.

BOOTHE: Can I come back? OK.

What does President Trump need to do? I mean, we've seen a lot of this racial division, tensions, these riots throughout the country under President Obama. What does a President Trump need to do to make sure this doesn't happen in the country?

GUILFOYLE: Well, first of all, he gave a great speech when he found out that he won. He was President-elect Trump, and he talked about unity. He didn't do the slogan chanting. So that was step No. 1.

Then he led by example, and he went to the White House and met with President Obama for an hour and a half. And they talked about common ground and how to make successful transition. You heard President Obama compliment President Bush to say that this is how we were treated, and we will, in fact, do the same and lead by example.

Then you had, as Kellyanne Conway said, had President Clinton also call President-elect Trump. This is part of the process. And they should take a page book out of that. And Hillary Clinton herself, calling for unity. Don't burn down the country. Be productive, do something to help bring people together. Be part of the process, come up with some ideas and even Elizabeth Warren saying that she'd like to come to the table to try to work...

WILLIAMS: But didn't Donald Trump after Romney -- after Romney, Donald Trump said Americans who -- should march.

BOLLING: March, don't riot, don't break windows.

GUILFOYLE: Don't light things on fire.

WILLIAMS: I'm all with that.

BOLLING: Don't drag people out of cars and beat them. No, you're not. You just said...

WILLIAMS: No. I said, most are peaceful.

BOLLING: These punks should get the hell -- you want to do this? Burn a flag in a park but don't break down a -- don't stop people from doing business. Some of these people need this to put food on the table. They're professional agitators, Juan. There are many instances...

GUILFOYLE: Don't condone violence.

BOLLING: ... where they're paid to do this.

There's a real -- I know we've got to go. But very quickly, Donald Trump got 8 percent of the black vote. That's almost more than Romney and McCain put together. Almost, not quite. Hispanic, he got -- he exceeded Romney. Almost got to McCain's numbers. Asian vote, 29 percent of the Asian vote. Hispanic vote, 28. I mean, everything that you said on the left that he was bigoted and people...

GUILFOYLE: And more -- and more women than Hillary Clinton.

BOLLING: More people came out and voted for him on all those different demographics than anyone expected.

BOOTHE: All right, guys.

WILLIAMS: That's true.

BOOTHE: All right. "One More Thing" up next.


BOLLING: All right. Time for "One More Thing" -- K.G.

GUILFOYLE: Thank you.

And happy Veterans Day to all of the brave men and women out there who protect our country and our freedoms each day. Early this morning at Arlington National Cemetery, President Obama laid a wreath at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier. Here is that touching moment.






GUILFOYLE: We cannot thank you enough, veterans. Our debt is immeasurable for all of your service to this country. God bless you all.

BOLLING: Absolutely. And God bless all the families and service members, as well.

OK. So you know, you've just got to make sure of stuff before you pop off, and you really should make sure of stuff before you pop off on TV. And especially when it has to do with the presidency. Watch.


BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: "President Obama will go down as perhaps the worst president in the history of the United States," exclamation point, @realDonaldTrump. Well, @realDonaldTrump, at least I will go down as a president.



GUTFELD: All right.

GUILFOYLE: Nice try.

GUTFELD: Saturday, 10 p.m., new show. I've got Dirk Benedict, Face Man from "The A-Team." Love Dirk.

GUILFOYLE: He's amazing.

GUTFELD: Terry Shapert, retired Green Beret. Tyrus, wrestler. Kat Timpf.

BOLLING: Kat Timpf is a wrestler?

GUTFELD: Yes, you didn't know that, did you? She is quite feisty.

GUILFOYLE: Very talented.


GUTFELD: Greg's Robot News.


GUTFELD: All right. This is really interesting. I've been talking about artificial intelligence for a while. In Germany right now, a robot, or artificial intelligence, did the Rubik's cube, solve a Rubik's cube in .637 seconds, which is the official world record.

Why are we showing you this? Because it proves to you that the goal- oriented tasks perfected by artificial intelligence are going to happen so quickly that we will not be ready for it. We will be enslaved by them before we even know it. You ask Siri to go find out if you can get a quart of milk. Life will be over.

BOLLING: Yes, but can Siri create a nice perfume or a nice cologne?

GUTFELD: It probably could figure it out.

GUILFOYLE: You can get a 3-D printer.

GUTFELD: You push the self-improvement, people. It will just keep getting better and better and better. All that will be left.


GUILFOYLE: Still coming to get you.

WILLIAMS: All right. So it's Friday, and I want to you check this out.

GUILFOYLE: How do you, like...




WILLIAMS: Oh, deer. Apparently, that poor buck...

GUTFELD: What are they saying about Trump?

WILLIAMS: ... got stuck in an American Eagle store in a shopping mall in Oklahoma. But the deer was not, in fact, looking for jeans and somehow wandered his way into the clothing store, locked in, unbeknownst to the employees. Luckily, the buck nor any shoppers got hurt. So all a happy ending, but boy, that was...

GUTFELD: The buck didn't stop there. It was a dollar store. It was a dollars store.


GUILFOYLE: Jump the border to Canada, another one, huh?

WILLIAMS: Dana's corny jokes.



BOOTHE: Well, since it is Veterans Day, I want to honor Scott Liesch. He is a veteran who owns the Standing Company, which is based out of Michigan. All their products are USA made.

And what he did, he saw Eric Trenholm (ph), who's a 16-year-old individual from Leesburg, Florida, who is wheelchair-bound due to a spinal -- spinal disease. And he stood for the first time during a hometown homecoming parade to honor the American flag. And he saw this video that went viral and donated a wheelchair to him so that he could stand up on his own with this wheelchair.

GUILFOYLE: Amazing. Bless him.

BOOTHE: Happy Veterans Day to him.

BOLLING: Happy Veterans Day. We have just a few seconds here very quickly. We had heard that Corey Lewandowski has resigned his...


BOLLING: CNN. Maybe for obvious reasons.

And also, stock market up three days in a row, record highs. Three days in a row.

GUILFOYLE: How about that?

BOLLING: Massive spike in the stock market. So...

GUILFOYLE: And also, Bolling...


GUILFOYLE: ... I'm going on "Hannity" tonight.

BOLLING: Oh, you're going on "Hannity."

WILLIAMS: You're thanking President Obama for the stock market? Oh, I'm so glad.

BOOTHE: Oh, boy.

WILLIAMS: This would be -- this would be a Trump rally. They're calling it the Trump rally.

WILLIAMS: Yes. And I had records under Obama, and now Trump is adding to it. But let's just give credit where credit is due.

BOLLING: That's it for us. Let's get out of here. See you back here on Sunday for our special live edition, post-election edition of "The Five." "Special Report" coming up right now.

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