This is a rush transcript from "The Five," November 1, 2016. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.
GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Hi, I'm Kimberly Guilfoyle with Greg Gutfeld, Juan Williams, Eric Bolling, and she snowboards on her butt, Dana Perino -- "The Five."
GUTFELD: They're shouting "female," to hide the email. In a desperate defense of Hillary, some claim the email probe is an attack on women.
Berkeley professor Robin Lakoff claims it's "not about emails," it's about men not believing women should be "engaging in high-level communication." Sorry, Robin, your tragic plea is about as high-level as a worm's burp.
Meanwhile, President Obama -- remember him? -- is already forecasting more sexism, even if Hillary wins!
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SAMANTHA BEE, 'FULL FRONTAL' HOST: What do you think the female equivalent will be to "you weren't born in this country"?
PRESIDENT OBAMA: I think the equivalent will be "she's tired, she's moody, she's being emotional"… when men are ambitious it's just taken for granted. Well, of course they should be ambitious. But when a woman is ambitious, why? That theme, I think will continue throughout her presidency and it's contributed to this notion that somehow she is hiding something.
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Dude, she is hiding something!
Apparently, Team Hillary knew Anthony Weiner was sexting a high schooler back in 2011. That's huge, for they did nothing. I mean, Hillary's just one step removed from Weiner. She should've told Huma it's either him or me. But she didn't. They covered for the twerp. Which is why Weiner was able to continue and go even younger, allegedly sexting a 15-year-old.
The lesson: Hillary only looks out for one woman. Herself.
And isn't that a real example of sexism? That a teenage girl getting sexts from a creep is ignored because the creep has connections? Call it birds of a feather: Hillary protected Bill by shaming his victims; here she and Huma ignore another female victim -- both scenarios driven by self-preservation, and power.
It just goes to show you, where Hillary is concerned it's the women, never the men, who get screwed.
I don't know, Kimberly, you were a prosecutor. This seems to be the most ignored part of the story, that Hillary, or that Team Hillary pretty knew about this stuff even before Anthony Weiner resigned, this is from the New York Post which have gone from WikiLeaks.
KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: Yeah, going back for years. So where is the outrage and the outcry over this? Yeah, it's shameful behavior. You have an obligation to try and protect the underage, you know, victims like this. This is really a serious crime. The FBI is investigating cases like this, sadly in huge voluminous numbers across this country. And you have somebody like this guy who is you know a congressman, in a position of influence and authority. And then, you have a Secretary of State and essentially his wife being complicit because you want to preserve your own reputation and the office you want to seek in the future. I mean, that in and of itself should be grounds to not even consider them or anybody to do with them for any kind of further office.
GUTFELD: Yeah, Eric, I find it amusing that Huma has gone from her most trusted advisers to like just one of my staffers.
ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: One of my staffers, that's it, right there.
BOLLING: That's amazing.
GUTFELD: I can read upside down.
GUILFOYLE: What happened to my second daughter?
BOLLING: I believe that's her talking point on the campaign trail. One of my staffers -- really? Because she was right there from 2009 to 2013, when Hillary was Secretary of State, she's the vice chairman of her presidential bid. Now, she's just one of her staffers. But I will tell you the victims, blaming the victims or ignoring the victims in this case, as what you're pointing out, this is fairly common with Hillary Clinton. Remember when her words were we need to destroy her story and we're talking about one of Bill Clinton's victims.
BOLLING: And she continually denied or berated some of the Clinton victims and what's the difference here in this case? If you're very extremely worried about women and young women, you should be worried about the women and young women that your chief of staff, her husband, is sexting.
GUTFELD: Uh-huh. Exactly. Dana, you're a woman.
DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: Really?
GUTFELD: How can feminist support two women whose choices of men, whether it's Bill Clinton or Anthony Weiner, are exactly what feminists should detest?
PERINO: I remember in 1998 When I worked on the Hill, down the hall from me.
GUTFELD: That's in D.C., right?
PERINO: That's in D.C.
GUTFELD: Thank you.
PERINO: I was in the Rayburn Building. And that's where they were holding the impeachment hearing.
PERINO: Just down the hall from where I work, so I would see it everyday and -- who is the senator, who would always come out or the congressman from government oversight, and he would have these big scrums in the hallway and he would rail about it. And I always thought it was amazing, the feminist would attack Monica Lewinsky.
PERINO: And then, they fell into lock seven and defended Bill Clinton. That's why I have a hard time with the hypocrisy with this election. I have a question because I don't know the answer to this.
PERINO: Did Anthony Weiner know that the girl in 2011 was underage?
GUTFELD: That's the question. He could get out of this by saying I didn't know, right. She could have been pretending that she was older or whatnot. I wouldn't know because I don't do those things, Juan.
JUAN WILLIAMS, CO-HOST: Well, I'm glad you don't.
GUILFOYLE: . that she was.
BOLLING: She was in high school.
BOLLING: That's a good indicator, right?
WILLIAMS: Unless you're in a fantasy land, you don't know what people say, you don't know the people's images, and what they put up in their phone's pictures. But I think.
WILLIAMS: I don't know the details.
GUTFELD: But when he asked her what her favorite class was, she said math.
WILLIAMS: But I think that you know that column that ran in Time Magazine that basically the target of this is not Hillary Clinton and the e-mails, it's really us as women, speaks to a bigger topic.
GUTFELD: Do you believe that, really, though?
WILLIAMS: Well, I don't think that's true because I think there's a legitimate issue here with the e-mails that everyone has plugged into. I think it's blown way out of proportion and sometimes equated with Donald Trump, though. I think it's too much, but it's a legitimate issue nonetheless. But if you're asking me about talking to female politicians about how they are treated and about being called shrill or bossy, I will use that another B word, bossy. When they take a tough stance, when they are seen as out of place and uncompromising and you know why are you doing this, questioned in a way that a man would be said oh, he's a leader. He's a forceful guy.
GUTFELD: It's not a new argument. But it's a pathetic one in this case, for this professor from Berkley to use it as some kind of a shield against -- which is pretty what you would call loathsome behavior. Should we run that sound of tape James Carville because that's always really amazing?
BOLLING: It really was.
GUTFELD: Yeah, you are kind of locked on another network, we are talking about the e-mails, do we have that?
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JAMES CARVILLE, DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST: This is an unprecedented event that was done at the behalf of the House Republicans, that was leaked by the House Republicans. And as we know, the KGB is all over this election and this is what we're talking about. We ought to be talking about our democracy being under assault right now and what we're going to do about it, and not what somebody said in July by James Comey.
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GUTFELD: He's very angry there, KG, but I commend him for coming in a Halloween costume.
GUILFOYLE: And I want to say I had nothing to do with any of this. Why is he saying KGB? One of my nicknames. Look, he's obviously upset and you can kind of tell by his tone and his demeanor. Guess what, he's concerned.
GUILFOYLE: Because they're afraid that actually the truth is coming out about the Clintons, about the foundation, about pay-for-play, about Anthony Weiner, about protecting people who would commit crimes against young women and children essentially, you know, young girls. So this is very bad for them. It's bad for the party. The party's been exposed. There's been so much going on that every day, you could just talk about this the whole time.
GUILFOYLE: The DNC, Donna Brazile, what you see that everybody is associated with the Clintons end up just...
WILLIAMS: Let me ask a question. Are you guys trying to connect what Anthony Weiner did somehow to Huma Abedin and Hillary Clinton?
WILLIAMS: I can't believe that. I mean, first of all, Anthony Weiner is, I think, a sort of an abomination in terms of the charges against him.
GUTFELD: Then why.
WILLIAMS: Secondly, why would his wife, who now is separated from the man.
WILLIAMS: Right. And who is trying I guess to salvage her relationship or help him and realize he's beyond help, and they you want to connect to Hillary Clinton.
PERINO: There's a reason. The New York Post reports today on e-mails from WikiLeaks in an exchange on June 10th, 2011, it shows John Podesta sending an e-mail to Jennifer Palmieri and he says FYI, there's a report that a police in Delaware asked a 17-year-old girl to ask about her contact she may have had with Weiner.
PERINO: And Palmieri writes back, ooh, knowing that would be horrendous, I guess illegal, possibly, I don't know whether he knew or not, but that's the connection.
WILLIAMS: That's a political consideration, Dana. That's not about human beings. There's a man and a wife and a guy who is behaving arguably. No argument. But how this has become a political.
BOLLING: You don't think it's bad judgment on Hillary's part to make her the vice chair of her election campaign?
PERINO: I see your point there in terms of like if you believe that what happens in your bedroom should stay in your bedroom.
PERINO: But in terms of -- if there was.
WILLIAMS: Oh, this has never happened to Republicans? That's not true, that's not true.
GUTFELD: I'm saying, Democrats are a master at using everything politically. The personal is political. Eric, go ahead.
BOLLING: So how do you explain her now calling Huma Abedin, who we've seen by Hillary's side from the Benghazi.
GUILFOYLE: She called her second daughter.
BOLLING: She spent everywhere with Hillary, on the campaign trail, yesterday and today, just one of my staffers.
WILLIAMS: She said my top aide.
BOLLING: Someone who has been attached to my hip for the past seven years.
WILLIAMS: I see. You wanted her to describe her in terms of.
WILLIAMS: To keep Huma Abedin that close to her knowing what may be going on.
WILLIAMS: Hang on, I heard your point. Just hear my point.
WILLIAMS: I heard you, Eric.
WILLIAMS: . Just say to you that you want her to speak because it's politically convenient for you. She spoke in terms that were politically advantageous for her to say one of my staffers.
WILLIAMS: She is a top adviser. I think Cheryl Mills and the chief-of- staff and other people at Rogue but you're right, I think Huma Abedin is like a daughter to her, but it's not politically advantageous to say Huma is so important. Look, Huma clearly is a liability at this point, but she is not and I would wonder.
BOLLING: What's the liability, then?
BOLLING: There should be a line drawn between what the husband has done. Why is she a liability?
WILLIAMS: Because she's a liability in terms of whether or not there was classified information on a device that was not disclosed to the FBI.
GUILFOYLE: Right. And if you're aware of it back then that your like left and right hand, Huma, is bedding down with somebody who might be a child molester.
WILLIAMS: Oh, my God.
GUTFELD: It's true.
WILLIAMS: Kimberly, this is her husband.
GUILFOYLE: I don't care. There are plenty of people that their husbands and doing things like this. If you're aware of it, you have an obligation to protect children, let alone the national security of this country.
WILLIAMS: Kimberly, I don't think anybody knows for sure.
GUILFOYLE: Oh, please. Wait and see, Juan. Wait and see.
GUTFELD: If we don't jump to conclusions, what will we jump to?
WILLIAMS: I agree with that.
GUTFELD: All right. The mainstream media has turned Hillary's investigation into an indictment of the FBI director, a breakdown of their bias coverage, next.
BOLLING: Hillary Clinton is under investigation again, but as far as the mainstream media is concerned, it's the FBI director who is to blame. The big three networks, NBC, ABC and CBS have been relentless in their efforts to smear James Comey and cast doubt on the investigation. The media research center tallied the arguments against Comey and Clinton on those channels from Friday to yesterday morning, and found that the director came under scrutiny more than the secretary by a ratio of almost three to one, 88 to Comey versus 31 of Hillary. No surprise though, 75 percent of Americans think that media wants Hillary Clinton to win the elections according to a new poll. Are you surprised that the media is biased?
GUILFOYLE: No. And it's not become so obvious that it's not even like a one-sided talking point. Even the polls you look at, Democrats that are polled think that the media is biased against Donald Trump. But, again, we don't want them to go down the whole rigged path, right, because that doesn't seem to make any sense. But we've been talking about media bias for a long time. And, you know, Howard Kurtz has a show that discusses it quite often and there are a lot of research polls done about media bias and how they cover elections, how they cover candidates, how they cover the news for that matter, political news in particular.
BOLLING: Dana, I heard Hillary Clinton, I believe it was this morning, earlier today, I think it was from today, stating that James Comey, the FBI director, is bringing this for political reasons with no evidence. And that is a violation of the Hatch Act itself.
PERINO: It's also so strange because of what he announced on Friday was that there was more evidence that they were going to be looking over. So I guess the network must have missed the White House's statement yesterday which is basically that James Comey is beyond reproach, but what they might have been trying cover was that you had attorneys general from both parties questioning Comey's -- maybe not the decision, but the way in which he communicated it. But I don't think it's necessarily the media -- they're not having as big of an impact, especially at the network, the social media and online discussion and cable news having a bigger impact. And in fact, there are some good news for Donald Trump today in North Carolina where he is up plus 5 in a week. So now he's had a tie with her. Early voting favors her, but for Election Day, he is certainly surging there. Michigan has been always tough for him. But in Wisconsin, there's good news about him tightening there. But also, Ron Johnson, who was long considered to be a senator, running for re-election, that was likely to lose, now by some accounts, it looks like he's moving up in the world. So you actually are going to want to watch Fox News on Tuesday because there's going to be a lot here and I don't know how much the e-mail story will have an impact at the end of that night. But it certainly is having a really big impact now and I think the Clinton administration -- the Clinton team is nervous because they are actually now spending money in Colorado, which they didn't even have to do for a while.
BOLLING: Wow. That's -- they are in Colorado, they were out of Colorado, they are back in.
BOLLING: . said the president thinks that James Comey, what he did, it took, quote, it took guts.
GUTFELD: Yeah. Well, I mean, it did. Comey used to be their homey.
GUTFELD: And he said, no, you don't know me. Anyway, the media is in a panic.
GUTFELD: The media is in a panic because now they are forced to confront their bad candidate. Before they could hide behind the gender flag, that was all you need, historical choice, the first woman. All it took was a strong wind to blow that flag away. And now, you're stuck with Hillary Rodham Clinton, the same person that you saw for the last 20 years. Sometimes being a woman isn't enough. You have to be a good person, too, Juan.
WILLIAMS: I don't know. I'm so struck by this that you think it's all the liberal media. Because I pick up the conservative media and I read like Bret Stevens calling for Comey.
BOLLING: And Jeanine Pirro, to be fair.
WILLIAMS: Yeah. And I hear Judge Napolitano on Fox News saying you know what, what Comey did was outrageous. And then I picked up and I read, as Dana pointed out, Republican and Democratic former Justice Department FBI officials saying the idea that the FBI director would come out with this at the 11th hour in the midst of a presidential campaign is unprecedented and a violation of standards. And even the Wall Street Journal editorial this morning said that it could be cowardice on the part of the Attorney General Loretta Lynch who was fearful that Comey would resign. It would be an even bigger storm. And if she didn't say to him, hey, listen, don't do this. It's her fault. But all of this is about the idea that something unprecedented has happened here and it's not about the media. It's about what is going on in Washington.
GUILFOYLE: Well, that's part of his message. Just to be fair, Jeanine Pirro, what the judge is saying very specifically is that she feels that Comey did not do a thorough and fair investigation to begin with and has now put himself in this position where she feels it's.
GUILFOYLE: I know what she said.
WILLIAMS: What she said was it was last minute. She said something like that happened to her in her life, it was not fair and.
WILLIAMS: Let's call her up. She will tell you. She does not think he handled it right to begin with.
BOLLING: And everyone else, until we know what the evidence is.
BOLLING: If down the road, if Donald Trump wins and then Comey says, well, we don't really have that much evidence after all, then you go, wow, that was a really playing politics. It could be a bombshell.
BOLLING: You can't bring it out.
WILLIAMS: But, Eric, you're making the point. Eric, I think it was Judge Napolitano who said talk to S. It was like me saying hey, Eric Bolling is guilty of something, audience.
WILLIAMS: But prove it. If you've got it, say it. Comey, say it.
GUILFOYLE: They should have done.
GUILFOYLE: You're asking him to do something that he's also not supposed to.
WILLIAMS: And, Eric, can you talk about an ongoing investigation and be fair to the people being investigated? No.
BOLLING: He didn't. He said there's evidence. That's all.
WILLIAMS: Oh, my goodness.
BOLLING: He also said it's unprecedented. We can differ with that one as all.
Next, one of the damning (inaudible) yet for the Clinton campaign, see the suspicious message sent between two of Hillary's top aides 48 hours before Congress ordered the Secretary to turn over all of her e-mails.
GUILFOYLE: Today, WikiLeaks released the 26th batch of John Podesta's e- mails. There's one that could be a smoking gun in the Clinton e-mail scandal. On March 2nd of 2015, the New York Times wrote the story that Hillary was using a private server to conduct government business. That night, her campaign chair wrote to the Secretary's former chief-of-staff Cheryl Mills, quote, we are going to have to dump all those e-mails, so better to do so sooner than later. It was sent two days before the subpoena went out from Congress for Clinton's e-mails. The Clinton camp tells Fox News the word dump refers to releasing the e-mails, not destroying them. Let's bring in our chief political anchor for his take on all of this, Bret Baier, anchor of Special Report. Bret, thanks for joining us.
BRET BAIER, ANCHOR OF SPECIAL REPORT: Hi, Kimberly.
GUILFOYLE: OK. So I was reading all the e-mails back and forth on this today. And you have some specific comments about it because the question is, what does that word mean? Does it mean that they were going to do like the equivalent of what we know to be a Friday you know news dump, put something out about it, or dump, does that mean to get rid of them? What were some of the nuances and information you were getting today?
BAIER: All I was pointing out was that if you give the Hillary Clinton campaign and John Podesta the benefit of the doubt and you say dump meant dump, get out, sooner rather than later, a couple of things. What actually happened? They turned over what they wanted to turn over and then at the end of that month, of March, 2015, they destroyed 33,000 e-mails and the server with bleach bit. Now, we don't know many work-related e-mails were in that batch. Did they classify Clinton Foundation e-mails dealing with the Clinton Foundation and Secretary of State as work-related? We don't know because they destroyed that server.
The other thing is, if you give them the benefit of doubt and dump means put it out, they would have been giving out classified information because we know from the FBI director in the presentation that there were classified e-mails on her unsecured private server. So you can say what they wanted to do, what they were talking about in these e-mails behind the scenes, but you also have to note what practically happened and they did destroy some 33,000 e-mails.
GUILFOYLE: Still to be discovered. All right. I want to take it around the table. Bolling, any question?
BOLLING: Yeah. Bret, the inconsistencies are amazing, the one that you just pointed out as well, because they say on one hand we meant release, but as you pointed out, they destroyed 33,000. Also, if you remember, at one point, there was a deal struck where after Hillary, after the Secretary either testified or was deposed, I'm not sure which one it was, that there was an agreement to destroy some of these units, these laptops and the handhelds. Meanwhile, the FBI smartly, wisely, held onto the laptop. The point is this. Why would they cut a deal to destroy the laptop if they weren't intending on hiding something. Bill McGurn today of the Wall Street Journal, Juan pointed out in the Wall Street Journal op-ed, that's at the top, just below Bill McGurn's, you know what, call the secretary's bluff on it. Release all of these e-mails, Comey.
BAIER: Yes. I think it's a great point and one in which, you know, how the FBI makes that deal for not only immunity but the destruction of actual potential evidence is really quite something.
But just to put it in perspective here, Eric, WikiLeaks in 25 different releases, including one this morning, has released 42,000 e-mails of John Podesta's Gmail account. What is potentially on Anthony Weiner's laptop, Huma Abedin e-mails, number, we're told, some 600,000, 650,000. So what has been released so far by WikiLeaks is 1/15 of what potentially is on that laptop that the FBI is currently exploiting. and that gives you a sense of what they're looking at.
Could a lot of it be duplicates of what they've already seen? Yes. Could 33,000 or so e-mails be on there? Yes. And they're going through it right now, we're told, with a fine-tooth comb in technological sense with special tools and a task force that was on the original case.
GUILFOYLE: All right. Dana, you have a question for Bret?
PERINO: Well, I think document dump means dump in terms of the traditional way how people in Washington know that, like -- I remember one time, I dumped something on a Friday after Thanksgiving, such a jerk move. But I did it, because I knew that there would probably not be a lot of coverage of it.
Now that said, I imagine that, then the question, then, internally within the Clinton camp about these 33,000, or just doing the actual dump of all of the other e-mails was that they were concerned about classified information possibly being in there, even though Hillary Clinton had assured us there were none.
So isn't that also with James Comey's situation is right now with these additional e-mails that are on Anthony Weiner's laptop? He can't just throw those all out there in the worry that there might be something classified, and you would have to think about somebody being on the other side of that, an asset of the United States.
BAIER: Of course. And, you know, I think that, from the FBI director's point of view, you are potentially making a case here, so you're not going to put out any evidence. That case is pretty tough, if you think about all the things that have transpired, including the president of the United States in an interview long ago, saying there was no national security threat to this e-mail situation.
Fast forward to all the things that have come out since. That would be a pretty tough case overall to be making.
But to your point, you know, all of this stuff was on an unsecured private server. We're just getting, from Judicial Watch, State Department documents that suggest the I.T. guy, Brian Pagliano, sent an e-mail saying that the server had been hacked ten times in one day back in 2010, and he made the U.S. Secret Service aware of the hackings.
So, you know, as far as handling classified information, it's not exactly the best track record here.
PERINO: Certainly not.
GUILFOYLE: Terrible. All right, Greg.
GUTFELD: Not much of a question, Bret, but more of a statement you could comment on. That this is now, I think, the official low of 2016, that we have six people trying to discuss the meaning of the word "dump."
GUILFOYLE: You don't disappoint, do you, Greg? Now you've ruined not just our show but "Special Report." Well done, Gutfeld.
All right. Don't comment, Bret. Save yourself. Juan will ask you something dignified.
WILLIAMS: Bret, there are two -- two thoughts I have here. One is that Comey, the FBI director, said there was no evidence of any effort to destroy any e-mails. And when this -- when he previously reported on the investigation into Hillary Clinton's e-mails.
And the second thought I had is in conjunction with something I saw earlier, which is Hillary Clinton saying she was not under subpoena when some of those e-mails that we're discussing were destroyed.
So I'm wondering, how do you deal with what Comey came to as a conclusion, which is that there was no intent to destroy anything? And how do you deal with Hillary Clinton saying, "Hey, I wasn't under subpoena when this request was made"?
BAIER: Yes, so a couple things. One is, you know, he is saying what he's saying about that investigation, not seeing all the back and forth that we have since seen on the WikiLeaks e-mails that was going on behind the scenes inside the Clinton campaign, No. 1.
No. 2, technically, work-related e-mails, he was referencing work-related e-mails. We now know that there was a Clinton Foundation investigation that never stopped, that four different FBI offices were continuing this look into the Clinton Foundation and specifically what Secretary of State Clinton did at the time and possibly in a quid pro quo scenario.
If the Clintons decided that those were not work-related, they would be part of the ones that were destroyed. And what Comey was talking about was specifically the classified aspect of that investigation. That's what I'd say about it, but I mean, that's obviously what the Clinton campaign would come back with.
WILLIAMS: Yes, I think that would be the most injurious part. I mean, clearly, you know, if he -- if they said they intentionally destroyed what they knew to be classified, that's when I -- you know, alarms would go off in my head. But thanks, Bret.
GUILFOYLE: The alarm's going off in the control room. All right. Well, Bret, thank you so much.
And make sure to catch him on "Special Report" tonight at 6 p.m. Eastern, also when he's on at 8 p.m. Eastern on Sunday.
And another issue that could harm Hillary Clinton next Tuesday. Oh, yes. Obamacare. Today, Donald Trump vowed once again to repeal it. Hear that, next.
PERINO: It's November 1, open enrollment, day one for Obamacare 2017. This year, Americans have fewer plans and fewer doctors to choose from and although the promise -- the president promised that the Affordable Care Act would be actually affordable, they're also going to have to pay a lot more for their health care. Premiums are going up dramatically, an average of 25 percent nationwide.
Hillary Clinton promises she'll fix Obamacare, but Pence, Trump and Paul Ryan are vowing to repeal it.
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GOV. MIKE PENCE (R-IN), VICE-PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: We can't trust Hillary Clinton with our healthcare any more than we can trust her with classified information.
DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: Obamacare means higher prices, fewer choices and lower quality; yet, Hillary Clinton wants to expand Obamacare and make it even more expensive.
If we don't repeal and replace Obamacare, we will destroy American health care forever. It's one of the single most important reasons why we must win on November 8.
REP. PAUL RYAN (R-WI), SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE: We don't have to live with Obamacare. We can have something much better. Obamacare is collapsing under its own weight. We can and will replace it if we win this election.
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PERINO: All right. So that was Paul Ryan talking about in Wisconsin, which is important, as I just mentioned, the Ron Johnson Senate race tightening there.
Also, Trump and Pence were in Pennsylvania. The average there, Eric, is a 33 percent increase in Pennsylvania. If I can just point out one other thing that I think shows the Republican idea of breaking down state boundaries on selling insurance across state lines makes sense.
The -- in Arizona, you are going to see 116 percent increase. But guess what? In Indiana, you're seeing a 3 percent decrease, because there's more competition in Indiana. So to me, it's reasonable to think that competition across state lines would actually help bring costs down and probably improve care.
BOLLING: Yes. Some of the highest rate hikes are states that don't have the competition.
BOLLING: I think the whole state of Oklahoma has one provider.
PERINO: I think Minnesota has maybe one or two.
BOLLING: In Pinal County, Arizona, there may be zero providers next year, the only county in America, by the way. So costs are skyrocketing.
Very quickly, Paul Ryan, good to hear that he voted for the straight Republican ticket. Ted Cruz did, as well, today.
OK. So Obamacare care costs, the fallout to Americans, to business, to the economy. Yesterday, The Wall Street Journal also had a piece in there about what -- restaurants. There's 12 -- 12 restaurant chains that have declared bankruptcy based on not being able to turn a profit in an environment where gas prices are low, food prices are low. That should put bigger margins on restaurants. But people are saying -- 31 percent of people are saying, "I'm not going out to restaurants as much as I have in the past" because of healthcare costs, specifically stating healthcare costs. So that's the fallout. It's the fallout to the economy and -- and to wages.
PERINO: Not only that, but job growth is down because as some of these places like Eric was talking about, just because there's that cap on how many employees you have to have before you have to kick in over to Obamacare.
GUTFELD: Well, it's funny. Because they declare open enrollment for Obamacare. That's like open enrollment for measles. Nobody wants it. That's the -- that is the point. In the free market, if the product sucks, the product goes away. But in government, in big government, if the product sucks, they force it on you. And that creates a cycle. If it's bad, they force it on you through penalties; and what you end up ultimately is Venezuela, which is an entire country run by coercion.
GUILFOYLE: Yes. And then they try and call it something else to get it through. Then it's not.
PERINO: The timing of all of this for -- at least for the Republicans, it looks to be coming at a good time. I mean, not good for Americans.
GUILFOYLE: Bad for Democrats, bad for the American families and workers and small businesses and for people who literally will not go to the doctor...
GUILFOYLE: ... just to try and save money. I mean, it's a real health crisis, potentially. You want to encourage people to go to get treatment early, perhaps if they have something wrong with them, or if it's a manageable chronic illness.
So it's fascinating, when you have so many people are going to be affected by something, that people will say, "Well, if you have your health, you have everything. More than money, more than anything, you have your health." So this is the foundation of a healthy nation and country and for people to be able to get affordable health care that they can trust. Our vets, too.
However, due to the shenanigans from this administration and rushing this through and perpetrating this fraud on the American people, you have now no choices in so many of these places. And you have a hike as high in some places, like 116 percent is their popular silver plan. Why not open it up? This is what happens when you choke out the free market. There's no available choices, and someone is having a monopoly in each one of these states. And guess who's getting squeezed by the throat? The American people.
PERINO: You get the last word, Juan.
WILLIAMS: I just don't understand so much of this conversation because, in fact, Greg says nobody wants it. Twenty million Americans are on it. Twenty million.
And let me just say, in addition to which, goodness gracious, even in Arizona, where rates are going up -- and, by the way, most people in Arizona are covered because of subsidies that now protect them from these hikes -- the numbers show that people really are split about Obamacare. And if you go to Gallup and say, "How big of a political issue is this for you?" It's one of the lowest.
GUTFELD: Juan, can I ask you a question...
WILLIAMS: Of course.
GUTFELD: ... since you brought me up? How many people are in the United States?
WILLIAMS: 310 million.
GUTFELD: Maybe 330 million. You said 20 million. Is that a success to you?
WILLIAMS: Yes. Because we're talking about the universe of people who didn't have insurance. Remember, Greg, most people get their insurance through their employer. And they are happy.
BOLLING: How many of those 20 million people are paying for the insurance they're getting?
WILLIAMS: More people.
BOLLING: Here's the point. What you've done is you've extended Medicare. That's what you've done. At the end of the day, call it what it really is. It's a massive Medicare expansion.
WILLIAMS: No, no. If you want to go to single payer, and I think that's what a lot of conservatives fear, let's have that discussion. But the idea was that this was supposed to increase the number of Americans who have access to what Kimberly was saying, quality health care.
Go back to the earlier point...
WILLIAMS: Hang on. Let me make a point here. Dana thinks the costs are going up. The costs have gone up now to where they were predicted to have been three years ago. That's unbelievable.
PERINO: Tough argument to make, especially out on the campaign trail.
But we have more about the campaign trail. The big vote is just one week away. We hope you'll tune in to the FOX News Channel next Tuesday for complete election coverage all day and night.
Coming up, your daily rewind of what's happened so far today on that very trail we were just talking about.
WILLIAMS: We're one week away from election day. Where do we think things stand at the moment?
According to the FOX News electoral board, they've given Democrats a better chance now in Alaska, but it still leans Republican. Republicans, they see, as also up in Florida. They also say Republicans are up in Nevada, a little bit of a surprise to me. But they think Democrats are a little more secure in North Carolina. So let's just go around the table -- Kimberly.
GUILFOYLE: Yes, I found this interesting,. I like to see how it shifts, and then you look within specific communities for pockets of support that have had good predictive value in the past in terms of turnout.
Then I saw some other things that, if I were the Clinton camp, I'd be a little bit concerned about, because they were specifically examining voter turnout in African-American and minority communities and also with millennials. And those numbers were down in those states that you mentioned compared to President Obama. Doesn't mean they won't come out election day, but so far, the numbers were off for early voting which could be affecting some of these numbers here.
WILLIAMS: In fact, a lot of enthusiasm quotients indicate that what's going on with Democrats is not where they thought it would be, Eric.
BOLLING: Yes, the watch poll that came out today points to one week ago, it was Clinton plus 12. Today Trump plus 1. Thirteen points in one week.
And by the way, you go internal on that poll, it's 28, 38, 28, Democrat, Republican, Democrat -- independent. So it's heavily to the D's.
Very, very quickly, I have the electoral map in my mind right now.
GUILFOYLE: You sleep with it.
BOLLING: I have this, and it's driving me crazy. The path is Romney plus Florida, Ohio and either Pennsylvania or Michigan, or Wisconsin or Minnesota, plus Iowa and...
GUILFOYLE: Wait, that's a lot to keep up with. Whiteboard it, boom.
WILLIAMS: What about Russia? What if Trump takes Russia?
GUILFOYLE: How many electoral votes?
PERINO: I'll just mention one state, and that is Wisconsin. So back when there was 17 Republicans in the primary, one thing I suggested if they called you up and asked for money, you ask them, can you flip a blue state? And which would that be? Basically kind of what Eric was saying.
And I think that at this point, maybe one of Trump's best -- it would be a surprise -- might be Wisconsin.
WILLIAMS: All right. And Gregory.
GUTFELD: I like eggs.
WILLIAMS: You like eggs?
This whole thing is scrambled, that's what Gregory is saying.
GUTFELD: We're out of time. They just told me so. I like eggs.
WILLIAMS: "One More Thing" up next.
GUTFELD: "One More Thing" -- Eric.
BOLLING: OK, time for the right board. I'll go very, very quickly. We're strapped for time.
Thanks, Obamacare. Since 2010, remember they were going to bend the cost curve of health care down? Here's what's going on. Health care expenses to the average household, up 38 percent in that period of time. At the same period -- during the same period, household incomes up only 11 percent. Stagnant.
And it doesn't look good for the economy in general. Only up 11 percent, the aggregately over those last five years, those five years. This ends in 2015. Even before the mess of 2016 and the outrageous 2017 numbers kick in. So it's only going to get -- and that's why the middle class gets squeezed.
GUILFOYLE: That's cute because you said "the right board." I get it. I get it.
All right. I have a dramatic video to show you. But I have no nexio.
GUTFELD: Just do it.
GUILFOYLE: So a Santa Fe police officer rescued an 87-year-old woman from her burning car last Friday after her tire caught fire. Her name's Deborah Spear. She was driving on a flat tire to see her doctor. God bless her. Hope she doesn't have Obamacare. When sparks ignited the front of her car. So she was unaware of the flames until this officer, Jimmy Madison, started yelling at her, "Get out of the vehicle." And he was able to get her out just in the nick of time and then managed to put out the fire using his fire extinguisher.
I mean, how amazing is this? These are the stories you've got to tell to talk about how awesome the police officers are. God bless people, officer...
PERINO: Glad she's OK. All right. Macy Hensley, she's the little girl on "Ellen" that knows everything about presidential history. She was able to go to the Country Stampede (ph) Music Festival to answer a whole bunch of questions that would definitely stump Chris Stirewalt, and she got to meet Dierks Bentley.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Can you identify this president?
MACY HENSLEY, EXPERT ON PRESIDENTIAL HISTORY: Benjamin Harrison.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Who's that?
HENSLEY: Lyndon Johnson. Woodrow Wilson. Martin Van Buren. Ulysses Grant.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What president was ambidextrous and multilingual?
HENSLEY: James Garfield.
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PERINO: I wish it was me. She's amazing. I love that little girl.
GUTFELD: Slightly taller than you.
WILLIAMS: So last night was Halloween. Great fun walking around Manhattan, but back in Washington, my grandkids were dressed up in fabulous costumes. Here's Pepper, Wesley and Eli. I think the girls are Catwoman and Batwoman and Eli, the grim reaper. That was especially for Greg.
And here he is, there's the grim reaper. And then we have shots of the girls, Pepper and Wesley. Don't they look determined and fierce?
GUILFOYLE: They look adorable.
WILLIAMS: They take things seriously.
PERINO: I trust them.
GUILFOYLE: They're so cute.
GUTFELD: All right. Oh, yes. This.
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GUTFELD: Greg's Romantic News.
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GUTFELD: Oh, romance news.
GUILFOYLE: Yes, exactly.
GUTFELD: All right. I want to roll this tape. This is from China. Thank you for that. I get it twice. All right.
Check this out. This is a guy, jumps into an area, an enclosure where there's a panda, and he starts wrestling with the panda. You know, this is perverse. This is pure Anthony Weiner crap.
But anyway, so he keeps rolling around and rolling around and rolling around. Turns out, turns out, OK, he doesn't get eaten; he doesn't get killed. The man did this to impress a girl.
Bring it back to me. I want to tell everybody. Do you know how many men die from impressing a girl? This is the other side of sexism. Risky achievement to impress women has killed more men than the plague.
GUILFOYLE: It's called natural selection.
GUTFELD: It is. That's it for us. "Special Report" is up next with my favorite Baier, Bret Baier. Don't wrestle with him. He's no panda. He'll bite your head off.
GUILFOYLE: OK, freak.
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