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Trump campaign: He wants to make sure we have an honest election; DNC boss Brazile denies WikiLeaks emails

This is a rush transcript from "The Kelly File," October 19, 2016. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

MEGYN KELLY, HOST: Fox News alert for you now. The third and final presidential debate is now in the books, and for the very first time in this election cycle, the debate went heavy on the issues and policy early on. Something voters had been demanding.

But the question, tonight, will it have any impact on the polls or the election just 20 days from now? And what about accusations that this election is already rigged?

Good evening from Las Vegas, everyone. I'm Megyn Kelly.

BRET BAIER, GUEST HOST: And I'm Bret Baier. This was the candidate's last best chance to win over voters and it was a fiery and contentious debate really from the moment it started that Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump walked on to that stage.

Body language was clear. No love lost between the two. They did not shake hands. They remained on opposite sides of the stage. And from there, we witnessed a 90-minute slug fest.

The candidates hit each other on abortion, on immigration, on the economy, on gun control, on debt, on Russia, their foundations, WikiLeaks. There was a lot packed in.

KELLY: Yes.

BAIER: .90 minutes.

KELLY: The women issue as well. The spin room is already buzzing. We're going to get to all of it tonight. But, first, to the issue that has dominated the headlines over the past few days.

Mr. Trump's allegations that this election is rigged.

Tonight, he was asked directly, if he will accept the result, if he will trust in the American electoral system, no matter what the result is, on November 8th.

Watch.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CHRIS WALLACE, DEBATE MODERATOR: You have been warning at rallies recently that this election is rigged and that Hillary Clinton is in the process of trying to steal it from you.

I want to ask you here on the stage tonight, do you make the same commitment that you will absolutely -- sir, that you will absolutely accept the result of this election?

DONALD TRUMP, R-PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: I will look at it at the time. I'm not looking at anything now. I will look at it at the time.

WALLACE: But, sir, there is a tradition in this country -- in fact, one of the prides of this country -- is the peaceful transition of power and that no matter how hard-fought a campaign is, that at the end of the campaign that the loser concedes to the winner.

Are you saying that you're not prepared now to commit to that principle?

TRUMP: What I'm saying is that I will tell you at the time. I'll keep you in suspense.

HILLARY CLINTON, D-PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: That is horrifying.  This is -- this is how Donald thinks. And it's funny, but it's also really troubling.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

KELLY: We have a big show lined up for you, tonight. Trump campaign manager Kellyanne Conway is here. Former Obama deputy White House Bill Burton is with us as well, and so is former Reagan Education Secretary Bill Bennett.

We'll also be joined by Charles Krauthammer, but we begin tonight with Jason Miller, Trump campaign senior communications adviser.

Great to see you, Jason. Thank you for being here.

JASON MILLER, TRUMP CAMPAIGN SENIOR COMMUNICATIONS ADVISER: Megyn. Bret.

KELLY: Why did he say that? That he's not going to necessarily accept the results of the election.

MILLER: Well, Megyn, no one has ever conceded an election before the election actually takes place.

KELLY: It's not conceding.

MILLER: Nobody wants an Al Gore, who goes out and concedes and then un- concedes, and then concedes again.

KELLY: It's not conceding. It's do you trust in the integrity of the process? Will you accept the results? Win or lose?

MILLER: Let me tell you exactly what, Mr. Trump was doing tonight. He was putting those who might be looking to do commit voter fraud. He's putting him on notice that we're going to be watching. We're going to make sure that we have honest and fair elections. That's what he's doing.

KELLY: So he doesn't trust in the integrity of the American electoral system.

MILLER: He wants to make sure that we have honest and fair elections.  That's -- it's leverage. That's exactly what Mr. Trump is saying.

KELLY: Against whom?

MILLER: Those who would commit voter fraud.

KELLY: How will he then exercise that leverage if he's displeased with the results?

MILLER: Well, you want to go and make sure the people know they're going to be watching exactly what's going to be happening. And we're going to make sure that the election is certified. We're going to make sure the election is conducted honestly and forthright, and then we'll address it after that.

But, look, here's the thing. We're going to win this election. We believe that tonight was a great shot in the arm for this campaign. With three weeks to go, this exact kind of energy that we need heading into the election, we feel really good.

This is easily Mr. Trump's best performance. He really took Hillary to task on her failed three-year record. She had no answers for her role on destroying the Middle East. She had no answers on the Clinton Foundation.  She had no answers for her campaign's role in inciting violence within our rallies and our events. And Mr. Trump laid out his man for how he's going to make America great again.

BAIER: Jason, what about at this point of the campaign, it's about addition, about adding more people, adding independents, adding disaffected Republicans.

I had a senior Republican text me and say this saying that you might not accept the election is like napalm in the final 20 days for those independents who may have been coming towards you. So how do you respond to that.

MILLER: I think what people are looking for is a strong leader. He's going to get our economy back on track. He's going to make our safe again.  And that's exactly -- and Mr. Trump is laying out the case for why he is that leader.

Look, I understand that the Democrats, that their heads are exploding tonight. They want to go and make it about this because their candidate did very poorly in the debate. Hillary did very poorly. Mr. Trump did fantastic. And so look, we think Mr. Trump did great and --

KELLY: Why did he say he doesn't know any of those accusers when we know that he does?

MILLER: Well, first of all, all of these accusations, 100 percent complete false. There hasn't been any evidence.

KELLY: There has been. What is evidence? Evidence would be a testimonial by somebody who heard the story at the time.

MILLER: These evidence --

(CROSSTALK)

KELLY: The People magazine reporter produced six witnesses who say that day or the next day she told them the story, 10 years ago.

MILLER: And, Megyn, the butler that was there, said it didn't happen.

KELLY: The butler was not with them in that room for the entire time.  When he walked into the room, he didn't see anything. That doesn't disprove anything, Jason, you know that.

(CROSSTALK)

MILLER: So these people didn't come out when Mr. Trump was running "The Apprentice," and had a 12-year run, the absolute top of the ratings. They didn't come forward when he announced. They didn't come forward when he won the nomination.

(CROSSTALK)

KELLY: They came forward after he said he likes to grab them by the crotch and then denied he'd ever done it. That's when they came forward.

MILLER: They came forward in the final several weeks of the campaign with an effort of swinging this election.

KELLY: Standby one second, Jason, because your candidate's son, Eric Trump, speaking to our own Bill Hemmer.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ERIC TRUMP, DONALD TRUMP'S SON: There's no question he won. I mean, he did such a great job. He brought the case to her. He talked about so many of her shortcomings. So many of the shortcomings, quite frankly, assuming the moderators won't talk about it in the past he talked about tonight.  And I think he really brought the case to her. He brought the case to how America has been bailing over the last years and how America has been left behind. It's left so much -- so many of our citizens behind. And we need to get our country back.

We need to get our deficit in control. We need to get education back. We need to take care of our vets. We need to take care of our military. We have to stop the really bad trade deals that's put our country at such a huge disadvantage. We have to bring jobs back to our nation and he's going to do all of these things.

BILL HEMMER, CO-HOST, "AMERICAN'S NEWSROOM": What was the intention of not answering the question about a fair election in America this year?

E. TRUMP: Well, you and I have talked about this before. And I think when you look at the main stream media and the way they've been covering this election, none of it has been fair, right? None of it has been fair.

They haven't put any attention on the WikiLeaks. You have some really bad things in the WikiLeaks. I mean, here you have a major campaign that's making fun of Christians, that's making fun of evangelicals, that's quite frankly admitting -- admitting that Donna Brazile gave Hillary Clinton some of the debate questions at the time --

HEMMER: I understand the point you're making. But the question was about whether or not the election is fair. What's the answer?

E. TRUMP: I certainly with main stream media, I don't think the election is fair. And I think you do see voter fraud out there. There is no question that voter fraud exists. There are dead people who are on the voter rolls and you have to take care of it.

And, honestly, we're better than that as a society. You have to take care of it. And, you know, my father will do that.

HEMMER: Thank you for your time. Eric Trump, thank you.

Bret, Megyn, back outside.

KELLY: Bill, thank you.

I want to resume on Trump and the women, because the other thing he said was he denied that he had ever suggested these women were not attractive enough. Here's the denial tonight and then here's another sound bite thereafter.

Listen.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

HILLARY CLINTON, U.S. DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: He said that he could not possibly have done those things to those women because they were not attractive enough for them to be assaulted.

TRUMP: I did not say that.

CLINTON: In fact, he went on to say -- sir, her two minutes.

TRUMP: I did not say that.

CLINTON: He -- he --

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

TRUMP: Look at her, look at her words. You tell me what you think. I don't think so. I don't think so.

When you looked at that horrible woman last night, you said "I don't think so". "I don't think so."

I was sitting with him on an airplane. And he went after me on the plane.  Ye, I'm going to go after. Believe me. She would not be my first choice, that I can tell you.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

KELLY: Jason?

MILLER: Megyn, these accusations are completely --

KELLY: No, no, no. Stay on that. Why did he deny -- he denied that he disparaged their looks when accused of harassing them, and he did.

MILLER: He's clearly talking about the words. He was talking about their words, Megyn.

KELLY: Look at her?

MILLER: Talking about her words. It's absolute false accusation.

KELLY: Why did he say when you look at her, when you saw her, you knew I didn't do it.

MILLER: Because it wasn't credible. It wasn't credible at all, Megyn.

KELLY: You can tell from her face that she wasn't credible.

MILLER: You can tell the -- none of these stories -- look, what people want to see is who is going to be the leader that is going to get those country back on track. That's what people want to talk about. They're not talking about this, Megyn.

KELLY: I know, but his attitude towards women matter because he's struggling with them. And my question for you -- are exchanges like that and him calling Hillary such a nasty woman at the end of this debate going to help him? He wants to win. Why do anything to alienate the female voters?

MILLER: He's not alienating female voters. What he's laying out is a clear case of what he's going to do for this country.

So, tonight, the one thing that's important to point out for folks at home is that Mr. Trump laid out a reason to vote for him. I didn't see that from Hillary Clinton. Hillary Clinton attacked. She dodged. She weaved.  Event eh more liberal reporters said that she couldn't answer a lot of the questions. Trump gave people a reason to be for somebody. That's the important thing come out tonight. It was a fantastic debate performance and we think it's going to carry us to victory.

KELLY: What did you think of Chris Wallace?

MILLER: Chris did well.

KELLY: He did, right? It's a fair and balanced debate.

MILLER: Chris was tough. Chris was tough all the way around and you always know what you're going to get with Chris.

KELLY: Yes. He pressed both sides.

MILLER: That's true.

KELLY: Thanks for being here.

MILLER: Thanks.

BAIER: Thanks, Jason.

One of Donald Trump's most pointed attacks of the night targeted the Clinton Foundation. The millions that charity has raked in and how those donations have been spent.

Watch.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

TRUMP: I'd like to ask you right now, why don't you give back the money that you've taken from certain countries that treat certain groups of people so horribly? Why don't you give back the money? I think it would be a great gesture.

CLINTON: Well --

(CROSSTALK)

TRUMP: Because she takes a tremendous amount of money. And you take a look at the people of Haiti. I was at a little Haiti the other day in Florida.  And I want to tell you, they hate the Clintons, because what's happened in Haiti with the Clinton Foundation is a disgrace. And you know it, and they know it, and everybody knows it.

WALLACE: Secretary Clinton?

CLINTON: Well, very quickly, we at the Clinton Foundation spend 90 percent -- 90 percent of all the money that is donated on behalf of programs of people around the world and in our own country. I'm very proud of that.

We have the highest rating from the watchdogs that follow foundations. And I'd be happy to compare what we do with the Trump Foundation, which took money from other people and bought a six- foot portrait of Donald. I mean, who does that? It just was astonishing.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BAIER: Bill Burton is a former White House deputy press secretary for President Obama. He joins us now.

Bill, at that point, Secretary Clinton seemed to bid on her heels on the issue of Clinton Foundation and whether she was going to answer the pay for play direct question posed by Chris Wallace.

BILL BURTON, FORMER WHITE HOUSE DEPUTY PRESS SECRETARY: I don't think so.  Actually, I think that she was pretty -- she was on pretty good footing.  And the thing about the Clinton Foundation that Republicans hate so much is that what it does is it takes money from the rich and gives it to the poor.  And I know that there is a problem with that, generally, on the Republican side, but --

(CROSSTALK)

BAIER: No. That's not true, Bill. It's about the pay for play, Bill.

(CROSSTALK)

BURTON: The Clinton Foundation is something that Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton, Chelsea Clinton, nobody has financially benefited from. It has gone to the benefit of millions of people around the world who have seen the good work that it's done.

So I think Hillary was on very solid footing on that question. And the problem for Donald Trump is that he wanted to make some hay with that question but instead all the headlines tomorrow are going to be about how he won't concede if he doesn't feel like the election goes the way it ought to go.

BAIER: I mean, we talked about that. And, clearly, that's going to be a lot of news in a lot of news organizations and it is a big moment in the debate.

But the question I'm asking you is why not get to the answer of pay for play? Why not answer the Haiti specific question. And then spend all that time saying what the Clinton Foundation, you know, does on the percentages.  I mean, she just didn't answer the question, right?

BURTON: Well, because there is no pay for play. Like the money that comes into the Clinton Foundation goes out to groups and to individuals that are actually doing good, all over the world. They have made --

(CROSSTALK)

BAIER: Right. But donors get the contracts in Haiti.

(CROSSTALK)

BURTON: (INAUDIBLE) millions of people.

All of the contracts have been fairly awarded. And they go through a process within the State Department, within all the different aid departments inside the government to make sure that they are fairly awarded. Because WikiLeaks and the Russian government decided there was an email here or there that they wanted to release to try to influence this election doesn't mean that there was some pay to play.

People need to remember the Clintons do not benefit financially from the Clinton Foundation. The people who benefit are the folks who are receiving the aid. The millions upon millions of dollars of aid that the Clintons have bought to people all over the world. It's a phenomenal, phenomenal organization.

(CROSSTALK)

BAIER: Bill, you have to concede.

BURTON: .that's, you know, been drag to the mud by Donald Trump.

BAIER: You had to concede there are question about, not only the Clinton Foundation, but also throughout the speeches that were given and the money that was given to former President Clinton for traveling the world.

There are questions, legitimate questions that were not addressed in this debate.

BURTON: Well, there are questions, well, there's a lot of questions that were not addressed in this debate. For example, there should have been some questions about education -- that's not a hit on Chris Wallace who I think did a phenomenal job -- but they didn't talk a lot about education.  They didn't talk a lot about a lot of issues that I think Americans were interested in.

Donald Trump wanted to talk about Malik Obama. But I don't think anybody thought that he saved his debate performance tonight. So I think that Donald Trump's like meandering approach in this debate is just going to come back to hurt him in the end.

BAIER: Bill, as always, we appreciate your time.

BURTON: Thanks, Brit.

KELLY: Bill Hemmer speaks with Donald Trump, Jr. Let's take a listen.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

DONALD TRUMP, JR., DONALD TRUMP'S SON: You're talking about inciting violence at Trump rallies, right? They're going out and they're saying, oh -- I mean, it's disgusting what's coming out in the last few weeks. When you look at the WikiLeaks, the fraud, the ways they use to weigh the other campaign, talks about virtually all Americans, before it used to be just 50 percent, because that's the basket of deplorables; now it's evangelicals, then it was African-Americans, then it's needy Hispanics, all these things that have come out. I'm just glad that people really see what's going on in this process.

HEMMER: Democrats have alleged that you're trying to drive voter turnout down by going more and more negative. Is there truth to that or not?

TRUMP, JR.: That's what they are doing. That's what they have done their whole life. We have tapes now that came out today or yesterday saying we're bussing people from all over, we're breaking the law and we've been doing it for 50 years and it's not going to stop now.

Where is the outrage on that? Where is the outrage on that?

They are admitting to breaking the law. High-level people committing fraud during the process. Where is the outrage? Because I don't see it. It's only outrageous if you're a conservative and you did something.

HEMMER: I know you believe your father won tonight.

TRUMP, JR.: Yes.

HEMMER: And I know you believe this was better than debate number one, 24 days ago. What did you specifically tell him to change about his performance tonight?

TRUMP, JR.: You know, I didn't tell him to change anything. You know what, he hasn't spent his whole life to be up on a debate stage like a career politician. He spent his life creating jobs, building things, doing things that would benefit American workers in this country. He's done that for his whole career.

So, you know what, he's learning. He's learning. Imagine if he was doing this for his whole life, he'd be the greatest politician in the history of the world. He's learning as he go, because he's a real American. He's been speaking with real Americans from day one. He's not talking at them.  He's talking with them.

He wants all Americans, because guess what? Unlike Hillary Clinton who has got gotten very rich being a politician, peddling American influence. He hasn't. This is only a step down. But he wants to make sure that all americans, all ethnicities and backgrounds have the same opportunities to do what he's been able to do, to start a great family, start a great business.

HEMMER: 20 days ago. Donald Trump Junior, thank you for your time.

TRUMP, JR.: Thank you.

HEMMER: You bet.

TRUMP, JR.: Good seeing you.

HEMMER: Megyn?

KELLY: Bill, thank you. Well, as you just heard there is a moment tonight when Donald Trump raised the issue of how Democratic operatives have been caught on tape.

You heard a little bit of Donald Trump Junior taking credit for the riots that rocked a Trump rally in Chicago last winter.

Donna Brazile, the current head of the DNC is with us next on that.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

TRUMP: You know, WikiLeaks just actually came out -- John Podesta said some horrible things about you, and, boy, was he right. He said some beauties. And you know, Bernie Sanders, he said you have bad judgment.  You do.

Now, John Podesta said you have terrible instincts. Bernie Sanders said you have bad judgment. I agree with both.

CLINTON: Well, you should ask Bernie Sanders who he's supporting for president. And he has said.

TRUMP: Which is a big mistake.

CLINTON: .as he has campaigned for me around the country, you are the most dangerous person to run for president in the modern history of America.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

KELLY: That was Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton discussing the WikiLeaks revelations. Our next guest believes Donald Trump did as well tonight as he did in the second debate, but did he do enough to help him win in November?

Joining us now Bill Bennett, education secretary under President Reagan and chairman of the conservative leaders for education.

Hi, Bill. What do you think?

BILL BENNETT, CHAIRMAN, CONSERVATIVE LEADERS FOR EDUCATION: Hi. I would have wish education had come up, too, because the Democrats ownership of it has been really bad for education.

I thought Trump did very well. He knows where Mosul is. He knows where Aleppo is, unlike Gary Johnson, and he knows the connection between the two, which is good. I thought he did his homework.

I think the conventional wisdom now in the press already is that this was this horrible thing about is, was the election rigged, and he'll wait the day after the election to decide.

People need to look at a little American history here. There had been a lot of allegations to this. There had been a lot of challenges. John Kennedy, West Virginia. Richard Nixon might have want to look at -- want to take another look at West Virginia.

Al Gore said I wanted a recount after pledging that he would abide by the results. So, you know, why not wait until the day after? He's not going to lead a revolution under way. He's not going to pound a horse with a bayonet. I think that was ridiculous.

And Chris did a very good job except for one thing. He pushed hard to Trump -- pushed Trump hard on the nine women.

OK, fine. That's a topic. He said, then Mrs. Clinton, I wanted to talk to you about Bill Clinton. That's not allegations with Bill Clinton. We know what happened. There's address -- I mean, I hate to write people with history, but history is --

(CROSSTALK)

KELLY: Well, that's an affair.

BENNETT: It isn't?

KELLY: No, no. That is an affair, just to separate out that his affairs that he obviously had from the sexual assaults, which he denies.

BENNETT: Yes. It was an affair with an intern while president of the United States.

KELLY: I did not offer an excuse for it. I am just offering a distinction.

BENNETT: OK, OK, fine. Now in terms of nasty woman. I know we're going to run with this. Two questions: Is she nasty? Is she a woman?

BAIER: Yes.

BENNETT: Yes.

BAIER: What about these other issues? The Veritas tape.

BENNETT: Yes, yes, exactly.

BAIER: The FBI documents? Did he do a good job of prosecuting that?

BENNETT: She didn't answer. You know what -- and what was so interesting is he made it personal. He said Hillary ordered these people to start the riots. That's how (INAUDIBLE) that rose to her level.

But maybe Democratic operatives did, but she had no answer. No substantive answer to that.

On the WikiLeaks, she said, well, the Russians did it. The Russians made me do it -- did the Russians make you say it? It's a different argument.  To say the Russians may have leaked this is not the same to say I never said that. And she said it, open border.

KELLY: What did you make, Bill, about the discussion that they had on abortion. And her defense of third term, partial birth abortion? You know, a procedure which has been banned and the ban of health.

BENNETT: I thought it was very smart of him to go to partial birth abortion, to go to the last stage. She made the rhetorical point, which is effective.

I've talked to a lot of women. You should talk to these women. There's a response to that, too, which is we should talk to the babies who aren't born, but unfortunately, we cannot.

KELLY: Well, she was talking a lot about the toddlers and gun violence.  How she wanted to protect the toddlers, and the pro-life crowd online was, you care about the toddlers, but what about the dying babies in womb?

BENNETT: Yes, what about the really little toddlers. And the numbers in terms of children who are aborted compared to toddler's who mess with guns are many, many times.

BAIER: So the overall perception, tonight, do you think it was his best debate. You think that he prosecuted some things well, but do you think it move the ball enough to change the dynamics in this race as we see them?

BENNETT: I don't know. Unlike everybody else who comments, I don't know.  I don't know.

(CROSSTALK)

KELLY: Honestly.

BENNETT: I don't know. Yes, I know you'll allow me to say I don't know.  I don't know what the American people will do. But I'll tell you this. I think the issues he's identified are the important ones. And I think the fundamental question is do you want change? Or how about the way things are. She really did defend the way things are and the decisions they have made. I think most Americans looking out of the country would say things aren't the way they should be.

KELLY: Bill, great to see you.

BENNETT: Thank you.

BAIER: Thanks, Bill.

KELLY: Did you win last night?

BENNETT: Huh? What?

KELLY: Did you win a little bit?

BENNETT: I took my wife to dinner. That's always a win.

KELLY: No, no.

BENNETT: That's always a win.

BAIER: That's a win. Very nicely done.

KELLY: All right. Donald Trump tonight defending his past comments on Russia's Vladimir Putin just as he assures Americans that he does condemn any hacking by Russia against Americans.

Watch.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

TRUMP: I see, has no respect for this person.

CLINTON: Well, that's because he'd rather have a puppet as president of the United States.

TRUMP: No puppet. No puppet.

CLINTON: And it's pretty clear.

(CROSSTALK)

TRUMP: You're the puppet!

CLINTON: It's pretty -- you are willing to spout the Putin line, sign up for his wish list, break up NATO, do whatever he wants to do, and that you continue to get help from him, because he has a very clear favorite in this race.

WALLACE: Do you condemn any interference by Russia in the American election?

TRUMP: By Russia or anybody else.

WALLACE: You condemn their interference?

TRUMP: Of course I condemn. Of course I -- I don't know Putin. I have no idea.

WALLACE: I'm not asking -- I'm asking do you condemn?

TRUMP: I never met Putin. This is not my best friend. But if the United States got along with Russia, wouldn't be so bad.

Let me tell you, Putin has outsmarted her and Obama at every single step of the way.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

KELLY: Joining me now, co-host of "I'll Tell You What" here on Fox, on Sundays at 5:00 p.m., Chris Stirewalt and host of "MediaBuzz" Howie Kurtz.

It's great to see you both.

CHRIS STIREWALT, CO-HOST, "I'LL TELL YOU WHAT": How are you doing?

KELLY: I know you are, but what am I? You're the puppet.

(LAUGHTER)

That may not have been the highest brow moment of the debate, but overall, your thoughts?

HOWIE KURTZ, HOST, "MEDIABUZZ": Yes. Not exactly Lincoln Douglas there.  Look, I think that Donald Trump deftly spun away policy liabilities on to Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama.

KELLY: And called her on her spinning.

KURTZ: Right.

KELLY: Called her on her pivot.

KURTZ: Called her on her pivot. He said I didn't come up with the idea for the wall. You wanted the wall. Don't blame me for the wall. I don't want to deport people. Obama deported people. So as he was unburdening himself of things that are not helpful for him in the general election, he showed political aptitude. And that was good. But, unfortunately, for him, he said the thing about the elections and that is going to blow up everything else.

KELLY: As -- Howie, I'm just looking now. OK, Wall Street Journal, "Trump won't say if he accepts results if he loses."

New York Times, "Trump won't say if he will accept election results."

Politico, "I'll keep you in suspense."

I mean, Los Angeles Times, you name it.

Washington Post, every single -- USA Today, that's the headline.

KURTZ: And this is going to go on for a week. And I know they went over this in debate prep. And, obviously, Kellyanne Conway and others have been out there publicly saying no, no, no, we're not going to tell. We'll just talk about the unfair media. And Trump gave the interview he wanted to give.

Until that moment, I was sitting here, typing, Trump is having his strongest debate of the three. He is solid. He is going toe-to-toe with Hillary Clinton. She had a little bit of difficulty on some tough questions from our colleague Chris Wallace on partial birth abortions, on WikiLeaks, open borders and so forth. But with that one answer -- sometimes, it take one minute out of the 90, Trump reset it. That's going to be the big story and he's going to be press about this day after day.

KELLY: Can you just explain why that is such a deal?

STIREWALT: What do you mean why?

KELLY: Just go for it. Go for it. You, student of electoral history, just explain.

(CROSSTALK)

STIREWALT: 219 years --

KELLY: Because Bill Bennett is like, come on, get over it.

STIREWALT: The French have had six republics in the time that we've had one. This is hard to keep. Keeping a republic is damned hard business.  And in the United States, and I couldn't help but sit and think, while I watched these two people on screen, having you're a puppet; no, you're a  puppet, I thought about Marines dead and Iow Jima.

I thought about what sacrifices Americans have made for all these times and that the whole -- at the center of all of it is the peaceful transference of executive power. That is the corner stone. A civilian controlled military that answers to a civilian commander-in-chief duly elected by his fellow citizens and a peaceful transition of power.

That's huge. I don't think --

KELLY: What if there is voter fraud? What if they're --

(CROSSTALK)

STIREWALT: Of course, there's voter fraud. He's losing by eight points.  There ain't that much voter fraud. If the whole country was Chicago, there wouldn't be enough voter fraud to do that.

KURTZ: In fairness, Trump didn't say he was going to challenge the outcome of the election.

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KELLY: I'll keep you in suspense is the argument. It's a little too flippant for what we're talking about.

KURTZ: It sounds sore loser-ish. It's sounds like you're setting up an excuse in advance. I mean, fine to bash the media, fine to go against the establishment and all that.

And Hillary Clinton had a good come back for all the time that he's complaining about this including the funny line about the Emmys.

KELLY: What did you think? I thought that you could see that this was a "Fox News" fair and balanced debate for our critics. That doesn't mean a conservative debate.

It means somebody who offers grease for the mill for both sides. He presses both sides equally. Who doesn't just pursue sort of a dogmatic, left wing, not that -- I'm not saying that all the other moderators did that, but you could see that Chris Wallace would upset some on the left by asking questions that would have been ask in other debates and that is good. You should really tick off both sides, then, you know you're doing well.

STIREWALT: Amen.

KELLY: But what did you think?

HURTZ: I'm looking for something to criticize Chris Wallace. He was fair and balance. It was masterful, I mean, the way he crafted those questions and the way he brought up topics whether it's partial birth abortions or things that we haven't seen on the debate. But just to bring your thought, well, maybe he's being a little hard in Hillary Clinton. He would come back with a zinger for Trump. He didn't let either of them stampede.  Sometimes he had to interject himself, fight forcefully and I'm following them, my journalistic friends on Twitter.

I mean, Chris Wallace is a big winner tonight.

KELLY: He was getting praise from, you know, Andrea Mitchell of MSNBC. I mean like .

KURTZ: Yes.

KELLY: . it's great. He did great. Final thoughts. Did this move the needle?

STIREWALT: Well, first final thought, Chris Wallace is a stud duck, man. I tell why .

KELLY: Stud duck.

STIREWALT: . that is all right.

KELLY: I think kangaroo.

(LAUGHTER)

STIREWALT: . we'll take you to the farm. I'd show you couple of things, but that one .

(LAUGHTER)

. and then two and then two, the final thought is this probably doesn't move the needle except for the fact that it will confirm to the hardcore where they are that they are making the right choice and they are doing the right thing as for those 40 million who decide the election, I don't know.

KURTZ: Twenty days to go, Trump really needed to move the needle even if he thought to withdraw -- he hadn't given that answer. He didn't change the dynamics of the race. They both played to their bases. That is not going to reset this president deck (ph) what he said.

KELLY: Great to see you both that ducks.

(LAUGHTER)

BAIER: So, the head of AP for the debate moderate -- this is how it reads. Fox News' Chris Wallace worked hard Wednesday to keep the Final Presidential Debate substantive with tough questions to Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump but the simplest of queries extracted the biggest headline. That is the first paragraph.

KELLY: Wow.

BAIER: But it says here depressed. It says a lot. Charles Krauthammer is a syndicated columnist and Fox News Contributor. Charles, your thoughts on the debate?

CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER, SYNDICATED COLUMNIST AND FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR: Well, consensus is right; number one, that Chris Wallace is a big winner. That was the best moderator performance I've ever seen. He actually conducted a substantive debate, which I don't think anybody has been able to do in this cycle. All alone -- without his usual wing run (ph) and he did it in a way that allowed them to actually have long discussions without interruption.

That is very hard to do and very rare as anyone who's done it knows. Now, I would say the candidates, Trump had a really good night, but here, the consensus is right. He blew it up by a totally wrong answer on accepting the results, and in some sense, I almost admire him for it. This was not a gaffe where you say something off the cuff and it's what you think, but it's wrong. You know that he didn't coach on this. You know that his vice president had said, "Off course, we would accept the result," and his campaign manager and his daughter.

And you know that he's convinced that this is something he wants to take a stand on. And the calculation - this is political suicide because what was his path (ph) tonight? His path (ph) tonight was to stop the slide. The slide had to do with people who are grudgingly going over to Clinton, who don't want to, who have held down for a year, but for three weeks, said, "I can't have Trump."

This was his opportunity to show them and not going to change views on Clinton but if they could change their views on Trump, to make him less toxic and acceptable as president, and less radical, yes, they want a change agent. They -- but they think the country is in the wrong track, but they don't want a radical who will challenge the foundations of the Republic. Yes, you criticize conditions, you're going to change Washington et cetera, but you don't challenge the legitimacy of an election and holdup the prospect of actual non-acceptance. And when he did that .

BAIER: Charles .

KRAUTHAMMER: . I think it was a terrible mistake.

BAIER: This was Donald Trump channeling Steve Bannon not channeling Kellyanne Conaway .

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KRAUTHAMMER: And he -- right .

BAIER: . his messaging.

KRAUTHAMMER: . and the reason is damaging it's because up until then, I thought he was winning the debate. This is the first time and the first debate that he's won on points, on logic, on being able to make a case, bringing up stuff. And he has had a lot of new material, much of it ignored by the mainstream media over the last three weeks, and he got a lot of it in there especially when he brought up the WikiLeaks stuff, and she walked into a trap saying, that he had encouraged the violence in his campaign, a terrible mistake on her part because the obvious answer was how can you say that when it was instigated by your own people.

So, he was nimble, he was relaxed. At the beginning, he was so soft spoken. I thought he should have had a drug test, but he was very calmed and contained. There were a lot of interjections which I thought were bad and sort of diminished him on the temperament issue. But until then, I think he could have walked away with a win, and unfortunately, as you said -- as you read, all of these headlines, that is not how it's going to be seen. Nobody remembers .

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BAIER: It's interesting .

KRAUTHAMMER: Yes, I'm sorry. Go ahead.

BAIER: . it's interesting that this whole process started with Donald Trump and that first debate in Cleveland in August of last year. The very first .

KRAUTHAMMER: Right.

BAIER: . question was raise your hand if you pledge, you know, just to not run .

BAIER: To support -- to support the nominee .

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BAIER: . and as an independent and to -- you're right. And he didn't raise his hand and he .

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KRAUTHAMMER: I -- I thought that you're absolutely right.

BAIER: . he -- it's the same kind of thing. Bill Bennett, Charles was saying, "We're going to make too much of a deal out of this," and that's he's just essentially saying, "I'm not going to make one decision up until the election comes."

KRAUTHAMMER: I -- I think your analogy is exactly right. It reminded me exactly of that, and he must have been thinking. Remember, he got booed. It was you who asked the question and remember, he got booed by the audience. Nonetheless, he began to shoot up in the polls. It did not cost him as most of us thought. I'm sure his calculation is it's not going to cost him and it's going to help him. I don't understand that calculation, but I do think he said it out of conviction.

He's a man who says, "I'm not a loser." So, if he does lose, it's got to be something else. But I think he's missed calculated here, and it will likely show.

BAIER: Charles Krauthammer, as always, thank you.

KRAUTHAMMER: Welcome (ph).

KELLY: Well, a new controversy surfaced two days ago, and it became a major moment tonight when Donald Trump confronted Hillary Clinton over new allegations that Democratic operatives potentially coordinating with the Democratic National Committee and even the Clinton campaign paid agitators to incite violence at Trump rallies. Watch.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

TRUMP: If you look at what came out today, on the clips, where I was wondering what happened with my rally in Chicago and other rallies where we had such violence. She's the one and Obama that caused the violence. They hired people. They paid them $1,500, and they're on tape saying be violent, cause fights, do bad things.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

KELLY: Joining me now, Donna Brazile, chairwoman of the Democratic National Committee. Donna, thank you very much for being here.

DONNA BRAZILE, CHAIRWOMAN OF THE DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE: Hello.

KELLY: The -- the people involved in that campaign to incite violence at the Trump rallies had make it, you know, looked like Trump supporters were violent when in fact they had been provoked by these folks looking for a fight, say that this was in direct coordination with Hillary Clinton's Camp and with the DNC. Scott Foval, the guy caught on tape has now been fired said, "This is how it worked. The Hillary Camp pays the DNC, the DNC pays Democracy Partners, our group, who pays the Foval Group and that's the group that quotes -- that vote -- executes the expletive on the ground."

BRAZILE: Hey, Kelly .

KELLY: Do you deny it?

BRAZILE: . that -- that contract (ph) -- first of all, that contract (ph) based on my knowledge, I became chair on -- on July 28th. The contract that is allegedly being referred to was not signed until June of 2016. I think all of that evidence is out there. Look, when you have a convicted criminal, sneaking around your office with imposters that try to nip (ph) and sniff .

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KELLY: Are you referring to Bob Creamer .

BRAZILE: . and grab .

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KELLY: . the Democracy Partners.

BRAZILE: No. I -- I -- I'm -- I'm referring to Mr. O'Keefe (ph) in the essence that he has adopted (ph) some videos that he's done before but, again, going back to so called contract, as you -- you mentioned, Bob's contract according to the records that I was able to pull at DNC was not signed until June of 2016. Bob is well known .

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KELLY: Bob Creamer, just to -- just to get our views up to speed (ph) .

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BRAZILE: . Mr. Creamer -- Mr. Creamer .

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KELLY: . just -- just -- let me just say -- I'll give you the floor .

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BRAZILE: . Mr. Creamer .

KELLY: . but I just want the televiewers what we're talking about .

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BRAZILE: . step aside.

KELLY: . because that -- they not know who is .

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BRAZILE: I just wanted to Mr. Creamer .

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KELLY: . Bob Creamer is the head of .

BRAZILE: . just aside (ph).

KELLY: . one second, Donna. Forgive me, because I just want to get the viewers up to speed who are not following this like you and I have.

BRAZILE: OK.

KELLY: Bob Creamer was the head of Democracy Partners. This is one of the groups -- he's now been fired. This is one of the groups that committed these acts. He's the man who is at the White House 342 times and met personally according to records with President Obama in some fashion over 40 times. He's now been dismissed, but he's the one saying that there was coordination with the DNC, and this is obviously a very well-connected man. He, too, is a convicted felon, convicted for fraud. This is obviously not an honest person and yet, you were working very closely with him, the DNC.

BRAZILE: Well, again, Bob -- Bob Creamer, I -- I went back to the DNC the other day when this came up after we learned that we had a trespasser, a convicted criminal, sneaking around our office, posing as an intern, and I've -- I asked for the records of mobilized to be produced. And Bob, this was -- Bob -- Bob contracts with mobilized his group was assigned in June to help us with building rallies across the country, meaning Democratic rallies.

So, what Mr. Trump was referring to, and I'm sure it will, you'll see the results, that was something that happened months ago, and I don't -- I have no evidence and no knowledge of that. Mr. Creamer stepped aside because he did not want to be the -- the kind of distraction that he is even at this point, who -- I just .

KELLY: But .

BRAZILE: . I just witnessed the third debate. I went to all three debates and I thought Hillary did a fantastic job. I thought she was not only on the mark in terms of substance, and talking about real solutions with the middle quest (ph) but Donald Trump had an opportunity tonight to tell the American people that he would not allow any foreign government to undermine our democratic process and residents (ph) take that position. Donald Trump basically said in a Democracy, where voters should decide, he alone will make a decision whether or not he will accept the results. It's the citizens who .

(CROSSTALK)

KELLY: In his controversial comment. We've talked about that.

BRAZILE: It's the citizens -- it's the citizens. I feel strongly about it. You --- you feel strongly about an imposter walking into our office, trying to get staff people to do X and Y and then come up with this video. I feel very strongly .

KELLY: Oh, Donna .

BRAZILE: . about the right of every citizen .

KELLY: Let's just be clear .

BRAZILE: . to vote, Kelly and I want -- I want to make sure .

KELLY: . let's .

BRAZILE: . every American have the right to vote on Election Day.

KELLY: . well, let's be clear. I said nothing about my feelings. This is about a controversy that has erupted to the point where I wasn't the one who fired these two staffers. The Democrats fired these two staffers. So, obviously believe some wrongdoing to play.

BRAZILE: They stepped aside. They -- they .

(CROSSTALK)

KELLY: Whether the tape was .

BRAZILE: . they stepped aside.

KELLY: . let me just finish, whether the tape was obtained improperly or not, but -- but no one, so far has come back to challenge the legitimacy of these particular tapes put out by James O'Keefe from Project Veritas. In fact, they've acted .

BRAZILE: Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. If you go .

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KELLY: . on that. So, you -- you say that the tapes are falsified?

BRAZILE: Mr. O'Keefe enjoys falsifying records. He did it with MPR. He's done in numerous sources.

KELLY: But what about in this case.

BRAZILE: But -- but Kelly can I ask you, where at a presidential debate, and Donald Trump made several ridiculous claims tonight and .

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KELLY: He does (ph) .

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BRAZILE: . and you take that .

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KELLY: . and I hate Donald Trump's representatives with those .

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BRAZILE: I'm not dodging (ph) -- I'm not .

(CROSSTALK)

KELLY: . but we have you.

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BRAZILE: . I don't play -- I don't play dodge ball, honey. I play basketball. And I'm just telling you, he tried to score on misinformation. He's trying to score.

KELLY: OK. But I have you .

BRAZILE: . the information that was obtained .

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KELLY: . listen -- listen. You -- you -- you .

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BRAZILE: . illegally, Kelly.

KELLY: . say that, Donna. You say that -- you say that -- you say that you play -- that you play straight up, but I have to ask you, because you .

BRAZILE: Oh, I do, Kelly.

KELLY: . were accused -- that you were accused of receiving a debate question before CNN Town Hall where they partnered with TV One and that -- that you had this question on -- on March 12th, that -- that verbatim, verbatim was provided by Roland Martin to CNN the next day. How did you get that question, Donna?

BRAZILE: Well, Kelly, since I play straight up and I play straight up with you, I did not receive any questions from CNN. Let's just be very clear.

KELLY: Where did you get it? Where did you get it?

BRAZILE: First of all, what information are you providing to me that will allow me to see what -- what you're talking about? Everybody .

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KELLY: You've got the WikiLeaks released in March 12 .

(CROSSTALK)

BRAZILE: . released and inquired (ph) the information .

KELLY: . Podesta email showing you messaging .

(CROSSTALK)

BRAZILE: . I don't -- I don't .

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KELLY: . the Clinton campaign with the exact wording of a question asked at the March 13th .

BRAZILE: Kelly .

KELLY: . CNN TV One Town Hall .

BRAZILE: . Kelly .

KELLY: . Debate.

BRAZILE: . Kelly .

KELLY: Where did you get it?

BRAZILE: . I, you know, as a Christian woman, I understand persecution but I will not sit here and be persecuted because your information is solely false. What you're -- what you're telling the American people .

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KELLY: I'm getting it from Podesta email.

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BRAZILE: . what -- what you're -- what -- what you're -- well, Podesta's emails were stolen. So, you're so interested in talking about stolen material .

KELLY: So, you deny it?

BRAZILE: . you're like -- you're like thief that want to bring into the night the things that you found that was in the data (ph). I' not -- let me just say what I say since day one .

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KELLY: CNN's Jake Tucker (ph) .

BRAZILE: . Kelly .

KELLY: . came out and said this was unethical. Somebody was unethically helping the Clinton Campaign. He said, "I love Donna Brazile, but this is very, very upsetting."

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BRAZILE: And I love .

KELLY: My understanding is that the email to Donna Brazile .

BRAZILE: . I love CNN and I love Jake (ph).

KELLY: . he -- this is Jake Tucker (ph). My understanding is that the e- mail to Donna Brazile came from either Roland Martin or someone around Roland Martin. He said, this is very upsetting and very troubling. That's your own colleague at CNN. It's not Megyn Kelly. Who gave you that question?

BRAZILE: Megyn, once, again, I've said it and I've said on the record and I'll say on the record and I keep saying it on a record, I am not going to try to validate falsified information. I have my documents. I have my files. Thank God I have not had my personal emails ripped off from me and stolen and -- and given to some criminals to come back altered. I have my records. I have my files. And as I said repeatedly, CNN in the 14 year I was associate with CNN, I have never received anything. If I had a blank piece of paper that -- that would basically be the end of this conversation. I never get documents from CNN.

KELLY: Your email to the Clinton Camp said .

BRAZILE: True (ph).

KELLY: . "Sometimes, I received the questions in advance."

BRAZILE: Ma'am, you know -- you know what .

(CROSSTALK)

KELLY: And CNN is saying Roland Martin gave them to you or someone at TV One and they were provided to Hillary .

BRAZILE: Anybody .

KELLY: . before that Town Hall.

BRAZILE: . well -- well, anybody who knows me and -- and there are a number of your colleagues as well. They know me very well. I know how I play it. I know what I do before every debate. I know what I do before every show, even a show. I do my homework. I communicate, I talk .

KELLY: I understand.

BRAZILE: . but I can just once again let you know that as far as I know, that CNN has never provided me with questions, absolutely ever, not a, sorry.

(CROSSTALK)

KELLY: But when you said -- when you said that from time to time I get the questions in advance, what we're you referring to? Because in that - in that email, you offered the exact question that one of the moderators, Roland Martin, then proposed the next day.

BRAZILE: So - so, my -- my -- my reference back to you, ma'am, with all respect and I respect you greatly .

KELLY: And I respect you, too.

BRAZILE: . the -- the -- the validity of those emails, if I can only tell you one thing because as you know this whole episode is under criminal investigation. But I could just tell you one thing. A lot of those emails, I would not give them the time of the day. I've seen so many doctored e- mails.

KELLY: OK.

BRAZILE: I've seen things that come me .

KELLY: Fair enough.

BRAZILE . at 2:00 in the morning that I don't even sent. There are -- there are several email addresses that .

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KELLY: I understand that.

BRAZILE: . I want you .

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KELLY: I appreciate that they have been all verified.

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BRAZILE: . and I'm so sorry that we've -- we -- we -- we have -- this has not been verified. This is -- the -- the -- nobody will -- this is under investigation .

KELLY: I got it.

BRAZILE: . let me just tell you some -- if there is anything that I have, I will share it. I -- I -- I don't -- I don't have .

KELLY: OK.

BRAZILE: . a agenda that smear anybody.

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KELLY: I got to run because we've got another guest waiting.

BRAZILE: I don't have an agenda to smear anybody .

KELLY: Donna, listen, I appreciate it .

BRAZILE: . but I do believe .

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KELLY: . we'll continue to investigate it.

BRAZILE: . that you've done (ph) a great job.

KELLY: All right. All the best to you.

BRAZILE: Go to Russia. You'll .

BAIER: Still ahead, Hillary's supporter, Mark Cuban; Trump supporter, David Wall and a must see after debate that was something else.

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BAIER: Welcome back to Las Vegas. Immigration has played prominent leads (ph) around Donald Trump's candidacy and tonight was no exception with both candidates exchanging attacks over the issue of a border wall.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CLINTON: When it comes to the wall that Donald talks about building. He went to Mexico, we had a meeting with the Mexican president, didn't even raise it, he choked.

TRUMP: Hillary Clinton wanted a wall. Hillary Clinton fought for the wall in 2006 or thereabouts. Now, she never gets anything done, so naturally, the wall wasn't built. But Hillary Clinton wanted the wall.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BAIER: Joining me now by David Wohl, no relation to the wall, Attorney and Donald Trump supporter and Mark Cuban, billionaire entrepreneur and Hillary Clinton supporter. Mark, first to you, your thoughts on this debate?

MARK CUBAN, BILLIONAIRE ENTREPRENEUR, HILLARY CLINTON SUPPORTER: You know, I thought Trump was doing poorly. He was doing OK. His temperament was OK. But then he disowned American democracy when he said he would not trust the outcome of the election and that blew the entire debate for him. I thought Hillary Clinton did well. She answered the questions she would ask -- was asked with depth and with certainty.

You know, it was on open book test and she should have done it, and I think -- I think she did a very good job.

BAIER: What about that David about that moment, that seems to be leading (ph) in all the papers and all the online about not accepting or not yet the results of the election?

DAVID WOHL, ATTORNEY AND DONALD TRUMP SUPPORTER: Well, you know, I think he wants to wait to see whether it's super close. Could there be another Bush v. Gore? I mean, could there be something akin to the -- the chad -- the hanging chads? I mean, I don't know -- he's not willing to concede anything yet because that is the way he is. I mean, Mark has probably a lot of the same character traits when it comes to .

CUBAN: No.

(LAUGHTER)

WOHL:. no, no. You're not going to -- somebody said, you -- you accept something that's going to happen three weeks from now when you don't know all of details ...

CUBAN: It's the American election.

WOHL:. you won't do it.

CUBAN: It's the presidential election.

WOHL: You wouldn't either.

CUBAN: Let me -- let me turn it around, Vladimir Putin says the American election is rigged. You cannot trust the outcome of the presidential election. What do we all say?

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WOHL: You know, what I .

CUBAN: What this whole country say?

WOHL: Right. You know what I thought was -- was incredibly powerful tonight? It was -- Donald trump needs to get on email right now and think .

(CROSSTALK)

CUBAN: Oh, you changed the topic just like that.

WALL (ph): . wait -- that's what we're talking about. We're talking about the substance of the debate. Every time something .

CUBAN: No, we were talking about .

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WOHL:. WikiLeaks exposed was brought up .

(CROSSTALK)

CUBAN: Brought a whole bunch of stuff.

WOHL: Every time something WikiLeaks exposed was -- was brought up. For example. Hillary Clinton saying she doesn't want to open borders but oops, there was a WikiLeaks statement that she made to a bank saying her dream is open borders paradise. Why don't, you know, she pivoted to the fact that Russia hacked all the emails. That's not a substantive response.

(CROSSTALK)

BAIER: But you do -- you do can see that that moment is going to Trump some -- perhaps the good moments that Donald Trump had.

WOHL: But we don't -- but we don't know it, number one. But if Russia did hack those emails, they exposed things that the American voter has the right to know. Whether this corruption is taking place, whether Hillary Clinton wanting the banks and wanting to the voters, that's critically important. This isn't -- well, this is an election for dog catcher (ph).

(CROSSTALK)

CUBAN: So, what you're saying that .

(CROSSTALK)

WOHL: All right.

CUBAN: . Meredith McIver should release all those emails that she does for Donald Trump because the American people have a right to know.

WOHL: I -- if she -- if she sees fit (ph), I'd say absolutely. That sort of .

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BAIER: Mark, let me ask you, I mean, you know that this electorate is hungry for authenticity, they're hungry for something different. They're hungry -- I mean, as part of his candidacy is this businessman approach much like you -- you would approach something. Do you think Hillary Clinton got across what she needed to get across tonight, on that, considering this electorate?

CUBAN: Yes. Now, is she going to convince the hardcore Trump voter?  Absolutely, not. But this was an open book test, right? This wasn't -- we don't know where the questions are coming from. They knew the topics, and when she was asked the topic she gave a very concise, complete answer. So, you know exactly where she stood.

BAIER: I heard you say that Steve Bannon is the big winner of this .

CUBAN: Without question, right?

BAIER: Why did you say that?

CUBAN: When you -- when Donald Trump creates all this conspiracy theories, questioning the election, questioning the media, et cetera, you know, who benefits from that? That certainly doesn't benefit his campaign, but November 9th, Breitbart News is going to say, "We were there. We have all the inside information. Come to us because we know what happened. The big (ph) winners .

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WOHL: If there's no substance -- if there's no substance .

CUBAN: The big winner is Steve is Steve Bannon and Breitbart.

WOHL:. no none knows Steve Bannon is. You know .

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CUBAN: I know Steve. I know you do.

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WOHL: Of course, you do.

CUBAN: He's a smart guy. He's smarter than Donald.

WOHL: Yes. All right.

BAIER: You know what, final word here, David. Can he change the map? Can he change the momentum?

WOHL: I think he can because like this has been such a volatile -- you know, volatility. This has been so volatile that in five days from now, it could change four or five points. Trump could be right back get it. Three weeks from now is the election. I expect Mark by way to pivot back to Trump -- back to Trump.

CUBAN: No chance.

WOHL: So, we'll see.

CUBAN: No, no.

BAIER: Are you going to run in four years?

CUBAN: No chance. You think I'm going to put myself to do this.

BAIER: Eight years?

CUBAN: No chance.

BAIER: All right.

CUBAN: Maybe when I'm 93.

(LAUGHTER)

BAIER: Mark, David, thank you.

CUBAN: OK.

WOHL: All right.

BAIER: Thanks, guys.

KELLY: We'll be right back. Don't go away.

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BAIER: Well that wraps up our coverage of the post-debate, the final debate in this election season. I will say that this debate obviously is about policy and it's about, you know, the back and forth and making the decision for voters to make a decision, but when Chris introduced the debate, and said I'm Chris Wallace from Fox News, I got some goose bumps because 20 years later to see that happen was a big moment for this channel, and we were all proud of Chris and for all the work he did.

KELLY: Amen. And it's been, you know, Fox News is the number one most watched cable news channel of all, you know, by a lot and has been for a long time, and they have not picked a Fox News moderator despite that fact, ever. So, we all felt very proud of him and it was a moment for the team, too, and it's been a long, long, long primary debate season.

BAIER: Very long.

KELLY: And just to see it culminate in a colleague doing so well, and even Oprah Winfrey is praising Chris Wallace tonight. How about that?

BAIER: That's pretty good.

KELLY: How about that?

BAIER: You've Oprah on your side. We're really excited in 20 days to have election coverage from New York in a brand new studio that we showed you earlier to tonight and we have a lot to cover.

KELLY: Get all the bells and whistles. You only notice the brand new studio and -- in any other way than you just be like, I don't -- I just like it better.

BAIER: Something is different.

KELLY: It they -- they looked better .

(LAUGHTER)

. they sound better. I -- give me another glass of wine.

BAIER: There you go. And you know where Sean Hannity is? He's at the pool. What he's got? Continuing coverage?

KELLY: The happiest man on television. Take care.

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