This is a rush transcript from "The Five," October 13, 2016. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.
GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Hi, I'm Greg Gutfeld with Kimberly Guilfoyle, Juan Williams, Eric Bolling and a peapod is canoe, Dana Perino -- "The Five."
The next -- this next debate, hosted by Chris Wallace, may be the most important debate since the last one.
The topics, are, in order: debt and entitlements; immigration; economy; Supreme Court; foreign hotspots; fitness to be president and man buns: are they worthy of the death penalty?
Anyway, let's pretend, that these topics matter. The U.S. just launched cruise missiles at radar sites in Yemen after attacks on a U.S. Navy destroyer. A Syrian migrant who planned to bomb a Berlin airport just killed himself in prison. Terror has now married itself to technology, as ISIS just used an armed drone that killed two Kurds and wounded French troops. And while Syria implodes, Russia mocks American retaliation over hacks.
This truly is a chaotic, unpredictable and grim time to be alive. It's like the 1300s, with less plague. America needs a strong, capable leader. Good luck.
And so, on Wednesday, we shall sit and listen to two choices out of 324 million, who must convince us they're the one to steer this country through a stormy, swirling muck. At this point, my only advice: Drink. And drink a lot. This election season is getting uglier than a bag of hairless cats, and messier than a Porta-John in a tornado.
But you can also ask yourself this: Which issue matters most to you and does it matter enough for you to accept every other horrible flaw that a candidate has?
I wish I had better advice, but I also wish we had better candidates.
All right DP, here are the -- you went -- we went through some of the topics. You got debt, you got immigration, you got economy, you got Supreme Court, you got foreign hot spots, fitness to be president; is there anything there missing that you wish was in there?
DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: I do feel like that's pretty comprehensive and covers, basically covers a lot. There's -- can I mention three things?
PERINO: OK. I will. I think that for millennials out there and their parents and also millennials who are now becoming parents, this issue of the cost of college.
PERINO: . and the question that the democrats really had during their primary season about whether there should be free college or options or things -- I think that is worth to talking about, because I think it's on a lot of people's minds, of a citizen's mind and --
GUTFELD: That's one.
PERINO: That's one. Second one is, how this -- how -- what either one of them as the president would help set up the country to deal with, with the coming technological revolution .
PERINO: . that is going to change the work force in America dramatically.
This is .
GUTFELD: I'm with you.
PERINO: . really important for the next three years. And then the other thing is .
PERINO: . I would ask this question. What, what as president, would keep them up at night?
PERINO: And which I think helps gets to the understanding what are their worries.
ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: Trump, Trump --
GUTFELD: He doesn't have that problem.
BOLLING: There you go.
KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: Tweet it.
BOLLING: Thinking you forgot to tweet something.
GUTFELD: What? Oh, my goodness.
GUTFELD: Oh, my poor ears.
GUTFELD: You are about to elect a president who said, who said far worse than that. Eric, you have two things .
BOLLING: I want to know --
GUTFELD: You got two things?
BOLLING: I think we're going to talk about the fly or Ken Bone?
BOLLING: Kidding. I think the -- OK, so, on the economy, I see the debt and entitlements, but on the economy -- so over the last eight years President Obama, he (inaudible) -- absolutely say that under presidency -- his presidency, stock prices are going up. But mainstream America hasn't felt that. That's a Wall Street -- that's done very well for Wall Street .
BOLLING: . and the upper 1 or 5 percent of the people in America. How do you help mainstream America? And that means wages. Wages have been stagnant for seven or eight years. They haven't gone up. They blipped up for the first time in seven years this quarter and it was -- what do you do to help that? Prices are going up, but America get squeeze because prices haven't stopped going up but their wages have been stagnant. So how do you turn that around and give us one -- you give us your plan, both, both candidates. Also on security; home grown terror guys. Hot spots, I agree.
Syria, what are you going to do if Russia gets more involved or if the U.K.
shoots down a Russian plane? I get that. But what are you going to do about homegrown terror and it specifically go to the, you know, this whole NSA argument that has been heated, it's been heated over last few years. Where are you on that? Is, is data mining OK? Can I -- would like to hear their answers about --
PERINO: Actually, they might agree on that.
BOLLING: Maybe -- perhaps.
GUTFELD: What do you think, Juan? What's missing from that list? What would you add?
JUAN WILLIAMS, CO-HOST: Well, I think that social issues are missing. So if you were to talk about some of the big wedge issues and this is a Fox debate. But if you were to talk about, let's say abortion. If you were to talk about gay rights and gay marriage, and you may get some of that Greg, on the Supreme Court front.
WILLIAMS: But the question is, and I think this is a big split within the party. How much do you emphasize those social issues going forward? The problem, of course, is Donald Trump is not really a conservative. He's not really like a, you know, a traditional republican candidate. But nonetheless, I would be interested. I think America would be interested in really going over that territory. But I, I mean, I'm struck by the idea that debt and entitlements, where we get started. And I think that for Trump and Clinton, they do have such different ideas about tax policy. I think it's the one area where we have seen a clear divide. And finally, I would say, you know what? Remember the wisdom that debates don't matter that so much? They have mattered in this election cycle.
GUTFELD: Yeah, definitely. Definitely -- especially if they do touch on man buns, Kimberly. I think we both share.
PERINO: He doesn't touch man buns.
GUTFELD: You wouldn't go --
GUILFOYLE: I have an aversion.
GUTFELD: You never dated a man with a man bun?
GUILFOYLE: Absolutely not.
GUTFELD: No. Thank God for that.
GUILFOYLE: I'm not confused that way.
GUILFOYLE: OK, so .
GUILFOYLE: Here is what I think.
GUILFOYLE: Debt and entitlements? I want to hear about that, because I think they can really make some strong arguments. If you are for Hillary Clinton, you're going to like what she has to say. She wants to spend more money that we don't have, Trump says he wants us to throttle it back. So you can make a case and distinguish yourself, fair on that, opportunity.
Foreign hot spots will further down on the list. I think very important.
Sounds like vacation, like go to Sandals -- foreign hot spots. So yeah, let's talk about national security, foreign policy. Let's talk about what's going on right now with Russia. What decisions would they make, what we're seeing happening in Yemen. I think that's a strong area, because they have some differences there. Although there are many that say that they believe Hillary Clinton will be much more, you know, hawkish, that that's her true self once you were to get in to be president despite pressures from the left. So I'm fascinated to see how they distinguish themselves. Here is I think the lead, though, if you are Trump to try to get the chatter away from everything else that he is calling distractions in the campaign. Talk about the Supreme Court, because that's the one thing that he actually is attractive to the conservatives, because they would rather have him stick to the list that he proffered rather than go with Hillary Clinton and who she might put in and, you know, we're talking early, we knew perhaps that one, one of the first moves she might make.
GUTFELD: Hmm. Dana?
PERINO: I have another one.
GUTFELD: Well, yes. I was going to ask you another question of whether the debate will actually stick to these issues, but -- go ahead.
PERINO: It probably will not stick to these issues.
PERINO: That's true, partly because the -- there's so much news that is happening between -- even between our show and Megyn Kelly's show last night. That was four hours. There were three new stories that broke in between those four hours.
GUTFELD: That's right.
PERINO: So, so much is happening. So this is only Thursday. This debate is six days away. I think a lot could happen. So who know at this point next week, will they -- maybe -- Chris Wallace will stick to the issues, but he also cover whatever sort of breaking news there is. I also feel like on early education, we've not heard enough from either one of them on that.
And school choice is an issue where Donald Trump certainly stands apart from Hillary Clinton. And, I think the nation is ready to hear a little bit more about that. So that might be something that even if Chris Wallace doesn't bring it up. If I were Donald Trump I would try to.
GUILFOYLE: Work on it.
BOLLING: You know it will be fun too, though?
BOLLING: Trade. Both of them have moved their position .
BOLLING: . on trade a couple of times.
GUTFELD: Yeah, right.
BOLLING: Have them go back and forth. Let them, let them .
BOLLING: . iron out exactly where they are on trade.
GUTFELD: I'm not even sure where she is. Yeah.
BOLLING: Well, she's been both. She's been .
BOLLING: Free trader and she's been a -- NAFTA advocate, and then she's back to free trade. Now we find out in the e-mails, she's been NAFTA straight through .
BOLLING: . in other trade agreement; straight through. But Donald Trump has also had some fairly difficult to defend positions on trade. If you are a true free trader, you don't want to offer, you don't want to tax cars that come in, goods that come in, because that's not true free grade. That's punitive trade. So, I think it would be very interesting for both of them.
WILLIAMS: Oh, he's not a free trader?
BOLLING: Well he is against trade agreements --
WILLIAMS: Oh, that's what he says now. I -- but what's the big news here, on this one, by the way is that .
BOLLING: Is Hillary? I'm just supposed -- can we just be honest?
WILLIAMS: What about?
BOLLING: Neither one of them had been consistent?
WILLIAMS: Yeah, I didn't say that. In fact, she's flip-flopped on the TPP, when (inaudible). But what I was saying to you was, I think the that big news here is that in Ohio, the Clinton people are pushing the idea that Trump bought steel from China, you know, at the same time that steel mills are closing. And I think for a lot of people, blue collar union type of people who thought, oh, you know here is Trump standing up for the guy who has been losing jobs to global trade. Here is Trump, in fact, revealed as someone who has been taking advantage.
GUTFELD: But you could argue that he saw a good deal. It was a steal on steel.
BOLLING: Oh, it's very nice.
BOLLING: What -- and you know, you do realize --
GUILFOYLE: Pirate of Fifth Avenue.
BOLLING: You do realize that a lot of the Trump buildings -- he doesn't actually build himself. They are builders that build. And those are going to be the people who buying the steel from elsewhere and he will brand the building. He will sell the brand to the builder, he'll put the Trump there
-- there were golf course and whatnot. So, he may not want to highlight that, but certainly .
BOLLING: . he is not -- I would say that he is not the guy going out there cutting deals with Japanese steel makers .
WILLIAMS: I think it was.
BOLLING: . to meet the (inaudible).
WILLIAMS: But I'm saying .
BOLLING: Could be.
WILLIAMS: . I think he made that deal.
BOLLING: Maybe, maybe he was.
WILLIAMS: That is why, that's why they are picking on him about it. But this is -- let's look, that's the fact is I think everybody is looking forward to this debate. I've heard some people speculate as to whether or not there will be a debate. Don't anybody like that Gregory?
GUTFELD: Well, I was looking around on Twitter and I saw -- I think it Jennifer Rubin, "Washington Post"?
GUTFELD: Said something like, she said the -- she was betting that he wasn't going to show. There were some other people on --
GUILFOYLE: I heard it in the makeup room.
GUTFELD: Yes. That's right.
PERINO: Take it to the bank.
GUTFELD: Some little loud mouth punk in there.
WILLIAMS: No, you are not the only one.
WILLIAMS: I think Colbert King said, why, why allow Trump the opportunity?
Why, why is Clinton isn't showing?
PERINO: Oh there is -- he is saying that Clinton shouldn't show up?
WILLIAMS: No. Yeah, that Clinton, she doesn't need to have another debate.
She's doing fine.
GUTFELD: I think it's going to happen.
GUILFOYLE: It's happening.
GUTFELD: It's going to be, it's going -- what's it going to be -- it's going to be mess.
GUILFOYLE: Chris Wallace will have his day.
GUTFELD: Well Chris Wallace will control it, but it will get crazy, wont it? It could be wild.
PERINO: And it's in Vegas.
GUILFOYLE: It's going to be great.
GUTFELD: Yes, it's in Vegas.
GUILFOYLE: This is going to be, this is going to be the best debate I have absolutely no doubt about it.
GUTFELD: I think it's going to be the -- not only the greatest debate ever .
GUTFELD: . but the greatest debate that will ever be.
GUILFOYLE: I like (inaudible).
GUTFELD: So not just the past .
GUTFELD: . but it will all -- this should -- it will --
BOLLING: Everything after this, they have to know.
GUTFELD: Yeah, everything after this. And it's --
PERINO: You sound like Rudy Giuliani.
GUTFELD: And it's because of Chris Wallace and Fox.
GUILFOYLE: Well, it's true.
WILLIAMS: And it will only be on Fox.
GUTFELD: It will only be on Fox, (inaudible) --
GUILFOYLE: If you been on his show and be questioned by him, then you know .
GUTFELD: Oh, yes.
PERINO: That' right.
GUILFOYLE: . he has plan.
GUTFELD: That's very personal things.
GUTFELD: Anyway, I think we should move on, (inaudible) --
GUILFOYLE: Yeah, that's a wrap.
GUTFELD: All right, today Trump addressed allegations from multiple women of past sexual misconduct. He called them all lies, drug up by the media and the Clintons. That's next.
GUILFOYLE: Donald Trump is furious. He is fighting back in new allegations from several women that he groped or forcibly kissed them. He called them outright lies coordinated by the media and the Clintons.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
DONALD TRUMP, PRESUMPTIVE REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: Now we address the slandering libels that were just last night thrown at me by the Clinton machine and "The New York Times" and other media outlets .
TRUMP: . as part of a consorted, coordinated and vicious attack. These vicious claims about me of inappropriate conduct with women are totally and absolutely false. These events never, ever happened.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GUILFOYLE: All right. So flat out, denial by Donald Trump and also a lawsuit aimed at "The New York Times." They are not retracting the stories that they published. OK, Dana, this broke last night and now the fallout has been people, you know, coming forward.
GUILFOYLE: How do you see this affecting the campaign?
PERINO: Well, in the first debate -- I'm sorry, in this, in the first debate when Hillary Clinton dropped in there towards the end of the debate, she mentioned Alicia Machado; she was the Miss Universe. I had a feeling then, it's like, uh-oh, there's something to come.
PERINO: So then something came, right? So Alicia Machado comes out. That was coordinated by the Clintons -- absolutely. Donald Trump didn't resist in terms of his instinct and he tweets about it for a week; that becomes a story for a week. OK. Second debate after the other allegations -- the audio -- (inaudible), audiotape comes out and he is asked by Anderson Cooper in the debate, "Is that ever happened?" And he said, "It did not happen." When you say that, at the presidential level, then you can bet that either reporters or people are going to dig into it and see. And that, indeed, has what -- been what happened. "The New York Times" reported about two women who came forward to say that this groping happened; so it was decades ago. Donald Trump says that's slander and libel. He tells "The New York Times" that they're threatening to file a lawsuit, but they're not filing him a law suit because as you know, if they did that then there would be discovery, and he doesn't know how to quite retracted. The other thing that's happened is they put themselves to some -- in a box, because they are questioning the victims, which is exactly what they have complained that the Hillary Clinton people did back in the Bill Clinton days of questioning the victims. You will see more of them tonight on Fox News. So, the thing that's happened is that now you have Trump's defenders saying things like, well, in the story of the airplane, Newt Gingrich described it as a woman who had a bad flight 34 years ago, OK. I mean that's not a good thing to say. Then you have people saying that, well, actually on planes and those -- in that time, same time, the arm rest couldn't actually move up and down. So therefore, this can't possibly be true. Then you had another Trump surrogate saying, well, actually, stewardesses at that time, flight attendants were not allowed to move somebody from coach in the first class because it never happened for me.
These types of things are not really the way to deal with a story like this. He might be able to get away with it in terms of his supporters are not going to go away. They are locked in with him. They think it's all the media's fault. But the one that really gets to me is "People" magazine. He is talking about "The New York Times." "People" magazine, the reporter is Natasha Stoynoff. She writes about this thing that she says happened to her. He finally responds about it today, and his response is about her looks. He says, "Look at her words, just look at her and decide for yourself."
GUILFOYLE: And that was a --
PERINO: I think not a shining moment.
GUILFOYLE: That was an interview that she conducted --
PERINO: They did several interviews with them in terms of features of both their marriage and then a year later.
GUILFOYLE: A year, a follow up when Melania .-
PERINO: When Melania --
GUILFOYLE: . is pregnant.
PERINO: That's right.
GUILFOYLE: OK, so Bolling, true or false -- the allegations? What is the impact politically?
BOLLING: So -- I'm gonna start with, with it's not OK. None of it is OK.
It's not OK what, what they are claiming Bill Clinton do with Juanita Broderick or Gennifer Flowers or Kathleen Willey, none of that is OK nor is it OK what they are accusing Donald Trump of doing. None of it. Period. My issue is and -- why are we spending so much time on it? I know you want to undermine, you want to like call out the character and then both sides are going to it and have done it. But don't we care -- do we not care about the Supreme Court? Do we not care about taxes going forward? Do we not care about wages? Do we not care about whether or not ISIS is planning to use an exploding drone in America which we heard about today? I mean these are the issues we should be caring about, but we spent literally more time on both sides; 30-year-old allegations of sexual impropriety. Way more time on that than the issues that really matter. It's just time to move on, in my opinion.
GUILFOYLE: Well, the last topic that Mr. Wallace will be discussing that we haven't heard is fitness to be president. So there are those that will argue that this is relevant, that it is important. It should matter whether or not someone has the suitability or has committed sexual assault or acts of aggression against women. So that's the counter argument, Juan.
WILLIAMS: Yeah. I think that is the counter argument. I think people want to know character. And I think this is of a part with the idea that, you know, we don't know that much about his taxes still and we don't know to the questions about -- he says he is a great businessman. That's the basis of his run for president. So, what do we know about his character? Who is this person? And people are trying to discover it. Now Donald Trump is quite, quite good at publicity, but in this case, I would have to say that
-- I thought Dana is on target. I think a lot of the rebuttals coming from trump and his surrogates. I heard Ben Carson say it's really on people who haven't heard this kind of course language before. That's the problem. I said what? Of course that's not the problem, I mean. Or he said is, you are voting for the children and their future, you shouldn't be talking about -- I think you know what?
GUILFOYLE: So that's your buddy.
WILLIAMS: Yeah. And, but people are talking about it and they are using it as a way to see who the candidate is. It has tremendous political power at this moment, Kimberly, because not only do we have the first woman candidate opposite him, but we have a moment when people are, I think just very concerned about sexual misconduct in this society, and you have women who are standing up for themselves. And I think that's why you see the Clinton campaign not only gaining, but gaining radically and gaining with people, you know, white working class women who previously were strongly pro-Trump. And that's why the polls are falling for Trump.
BOLLING: And just add that her character is under -- immense scrutiny as well right now for -- not sexual misconduct, but for lying -- consistently lying.
GUILFOYLE: Right, for integrity, for the e-mails, for Benghazi, lying to families -- yeah, there are some really serious things that are being investigated and have been by Congress, as well. Greg.
GUTFELD: Yeah, but here is why his denials don't work. There's a simple problem. He already confessed. I mean this is the first -- this is the first political scandal in history where he admitted to it on a, like, on a hot-mic and also with Howard Stern, talking about walking in on beauty pageant teenage girls, while they're, while they were changing. He has said this. Then he, then he -- he will say, OK, wait, this is locker room talk.
All that does is that indulges the worst assumptions of modern feminism that all men think like this. All men sit in locker rooms and say this crap. It's not true. He said this and then they found examples. So the word versus deed argument that, that I mentioned two days ago or maybe it was yesterday that he should use. He can't use it anymore, because it's now action versus action. And then ironically, he is turning all of his surrogates into Hillary Clintons, because they are forced to stand by him.
You are not supposed to stand by somebody who does something wrong. Loyalty becoming fealty is immoral and -- I will leave it there.
GUILFOYLE: All right. Well, obviously crimes of sexual harassment, sexual assault or aggressive acts against, and violence against women should not be condoned. Maybe we can learn from all of this that as soon as something happens to you, you come out, be empowered and say something.
GUTFELD: Well sometimes you don't always come out immediately.
GUILFOYLE: Well, come out .
GUILFOYLE: . regardless. Whenever you do or you --
PERINO: Well these are the part of another problem is that these women did tell family members. And the family members are corroborating the story. So if you believe that it's all made up, then it had to be -- that is quite an amazing type of coordination if you are going back 10 years on people's memories and you are coordinating it all within 24 hours. I doubt that happened.
GUILFOYLE: Yeah. Well, so that's part of the evidence that comes forward to back it up that is substantive. All right, Hillary Clinton -- we're going -
- on her own new controversy to combat that she's got the mainstream media helping her out. Hear all about it, next.
BOLLING: As the election nears, WikiLeaks has been pumping out an onslaught of damaging and embarrassing e-mails for the Clinton campaign. Does she concern anyone who read them? But Clinton's pals in the mainstream media will try to convince you to look the other way.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
ANDREA MITCHELL, MSNBC SHOW HOST: What do we see as the really, you know, smoking guns, if you will, in these e-mails?
AMY CHOZICK, "NEW YORK TIMES" REPORTER: We haven't seen one. This was an illegal breach on John Podesta's e-mails. And so I think we have to be cautious when we dig through this. And certainly we haven't seen anything that as the, as the Trump campaign would like, to be sort of that smoking gun.
MITCHELL: And let me just say, what Podesta was saying last night, and this is from the perspective of a campaign chairman, but also a victim, this is stolen property. He was hacked.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BOLLING: Yes, there are plenty of smoking guns. We learned the secretary admits she has both public and private positions on many issues, has some Syrian refugees cannot be properly vetted after all. And we will get to another big one that's infuriating a lot of people of faith like me in the next segment. So why is the media downplaying these WikiLeaks revelations?
Mr. Trump has an idea.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
TRUMP: The most powerful weapon deployed by the Clintons is the corporate media, the press. The corporate media in our country is no longer involved in journalism. They are a political special interest no different than any lobbyist or other any financial entity. And their agenda is to elect Crooked Hillary Clinton at any cost, at any price, no matter how many lives they destroy.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BOLLING: OK, so Dana, mainstream media has, obviously, typically, leaned hard left.
BOLLING: But is Trump wrong on this?
PERINO: Well, I think without corporate media, Donald Trump wouldn't necessarily be where he is today. Because he got a ton of free corporate media during that primary run.
And look, when you are the Republican candidate, look at the last several decades. If you're running as a Republican, the media is, at the end, they're going to try to get you. And that's what's happening.
I think it's interesting, Andrea Mitchell's tone on it, too, which is sort of in sadness, there's you know, like, an empathy with John Podesta. Now, that could be because of this issue of it being hacked and it's private property. I do agree with that. The problem for the Hillary Clinton team is that, but it's out there.
So like, with Trump and the women, it's like, it's out there, so you're going to have to deal with it. Complaining about the media at this point is not going to get you too far, except for maybe with your base.
BOLLING: And Greg, I think you take a similar stance. But again, these e- mails are supposed to be property of the government. Property of the people.
GUTFELD: Yes. But I just -- I have to remind everybody who's just -- you know, Assange, how quickly we forget, what a bad person and a coward this guy is. He dumped the largest pile of classified documents that potentially endangered our allies and our U.S. informants. But because this fits an agenda...
Look, I don't like Hillary Clinton. I don't like Hillary Clinton. But the fact is, we were -- we are Americans before we were Democrats and Americans. And now we're OK with an outside entity, Russia, and this jackass to manipulate our elections. It's absolutely mad. And I'm amazed that people here do not care where this is coming from. It bothers me.
This is sad.
GUILFOYLE: I think we all care about it. I think it's -- I think it's horrible. Absolutely. And Obama threatened to take action against Russia.
I doubt that he will.
GUILFOYLE: At this point, unfortunately, we've reached the point where Russia and China can turn out the lights here in New York City. And then maybe Assange, you know, will coordinate with Russia and dump all the deleted Hillary e-mails next.
GUTFELD: You're right. In fact, Assange talked about how he would help the helpless. He's - he saddled up with a tyrant, the worst.
WILLIAMS: Well, the part that concerns me at the moment is apparently the Russians have tried to hack into the electoral system -- the election system in states like Florida. To me, this is an outrage. I just can't believe this. Why would anybody think that -- I don't care who is the winner. You don't do that. Because I think they want to undermine confidence.
And then Donald Trump, of course, has been talking about this is a rigged system. And I think even Republicans -- you even hear Republicans saying, "Don't say that, Mr. Trump. Don't undermine the value of our American system." I think the Republican election officials who have spoken about we have more voter I.D., we are on the watch for voter fraud. But that's -
- they're not saying that the election system is somehow fraudulent and that America is built on a lie in terms of our Democratic principles.
So I think Republicans and Democrats are singing from the same song book.
But to come back to Eric's point, I think when people ask about the revelations in here, Eric, they say, well, OK, where is the smoking gun?
And I saw one report today that said, well, the No. 1 smoking gun is Hillary Clinton's cozy relationship with the press or that...
GUILFOYLE: I was one of them.
WILLIAMS: Or that, at State, friends of Bill got special preference. And I thought to myself, but yes, we knew that stuff. I'm almost, like, accepting it.
GUILFOYLE: I know. Because you become desensitized to criminal conduct and low ethics. That's the problem. And it kind of had that effect in the country. People are like, something else. Oh, the Clintons don't play fair. Oh, the Clintons do pay for play. One thing after the next.
Unfortunately, it becomes saturated to the point where you don't feel it anymore.
BOLLING: So if there were e-mails that were -- that WikiLeaks or some other -- whoever hacked that were Trump's and showed some sort of collusion with someone in a news organization, showing them sending the questions that were going to be talked about in a debate the next day or a town hall the next day, you wouldn't find that at least interesting and newsworthy?
WILLIAMS: Yes, I think we had a discussion. That's why we talked about it right here on this show. But the question is, is it the equivalent, if you're talking about equivalence, of what's going on with the leaks that Donald Trump has experienced in terms of that video and his language, or...
BOLLING: No. I'm saying when you find out that -- that Donna Brazile, who now heads up the DNC, sent along a question word for word...
WILLIAMS: She denies it. To be fair -- to be fair to Ms. Brazile, she denies that. But let's assume that it really did happen. People are like, well, yes, you know, reporters, people get involved. And she was the head of the Gore campaign, and she was vice chair of the DNC. They wonder why people like that are, in fact, in the media, as much as we -- I think Dana brought up yesterday Corey Lewandowski from the Trump campaign, he's getting paid from the Trump campaign while he's also getting paid from CNN.
People think this is not good.
BOLLING: Final thought?
PERINO: I think that both of these campaigns, just to go back to the debate and how important it is next Wednesday, if you're fighting about the media and the media's unfairness and the treatment of the media by next Wednesday, I don't think that that will be the best closing argument. So maybe get that out of your system over the weekend. There's probably more to come in terms of news developments.
And your closing argument should be, if you're Trump, why you would be better for this country and that change is needed. And if you're Hillary, you'll want to say that you will be a steady person that will -- that's more fit for office. Whatever the closing argument is, it should not be blaming the media or blaming WikiLeaks.
BOLLING: All right. We're going to leave it there.
Ahead, many people of faith are furious with the Clinton camp after reading what some of Hillary's top aides wrote about Catholics and evangelicals in private e-mails that have now been exposed. Those deplorable messages when we return.
WILLIAMS: ... conservatives, especially powerful conservatives who have converted chose to convert to Catholicism, because they thought, if they became evangelicals, it wouldn't sit well with their rich friends or something like that.
I thought, well, this is interesting. Because I don't think that's true.
I really don't. I don't -- I think that from what I have experienced in Washington, there are lots of people who are very proud and think it's politically advantageous to stand up and stay they stand for Christ and all this. So to me, it's a very interesting -- but in terms of offensive, did they say that someone who is a Catholic is bad? I don't see that at all.
PERINO: I say as a Lutheran, I feel like I could be an honorary Catholic.
PERINO: You're almost there.
BOLLING: As a Catholic, I'm pretty offended.
PERINO: That I'm a Lutheran?
BOLLING: No, no. That he sent the e-mail.
GUILFOYLE: I agree. And also by things like clinging to guns and religion.
WILLIAMS: That's not in here. That was a previous...
GUILFOYLE: No. That was before.
PERINO: All right. Much more to come.
GUTFELD: But what about me? I don't believe in anything.
GUILFOYLE: You're an atheist.
PERINO: You can just skip this one.
PERINO: We're going to have more on the wild presidential race that we believe it will, what, come to an end in 26 days. I missed that read. The nominees are trading new fire on the trail. Their latest attacks are next.
WILLIAMS: Take it easy, folks. It's almost over. Less than a month to go. So it's crunch time, and Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton, well, they aren't letting up on one another.
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TRUMP: Honestly, she should be locked up.
The Clintons are criminals. Remember that. They're criminals.
This is well-documented. And the establishment that protects them has engaged in a massive cover-up of widespread criminal activity at the State Department and the Clinton Foundation in order to keep the Clintons in power.
Whether we have only the illusion of democracy.
HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: The stakes are so high because we know -- we've already learned who Donald Trump is. What we have to prove in this election is who we are.
There's a lot of negativity right now, generated by the other side. And we cannot let this pessimism, this dark and divisive and dangerous vision of America, take hold in anybody's heart.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
WILLIAMS: Greg, Mrs. Clinton is out west and apparently enjoying bigger crowds than ever. I hear she's got Elton John at a fund-raiser outside of Hollywood and then up to Seattle and Macklemore, your favorite, doing a fund-raiser there.
GUTFELD: That's why you came to me. This is the longest episode of divorce court ever. It really is. And when we're all old, we're all going to be in rocking chairs, go "Remember the -- remember the election of 2016?
Those were the days." And we'll just sit there, and we'll have all these little kids and grandkids will be sitting around there, and there will be a little Jasper. And it will be "Tell us more about 2016."
PERINO: Will we be at The Villages?
WILLIAMS: My gosh. Dana, Donald Trump's campaign has a new ad, and it talks about corrupt Hillary and that she does pay-to-play. Is this going to work?
PERINO: Well, with his base, yes. I think it works. I mean, especially because every rally that he goes to, "Lock her up" is the chant. That's what they want. They -- you know, I think he's crossed a line, saying -- you know, civilians don't get to decide somebody is a criminal. Our court system does. Schoolchildren learn that. So, yes, I think it crossed a line.
I think, listening to both those sound bites, it's such a -- just a stark difference of a viewpoint of an election. And I can -- I can see both points of view. And I think in their closing arguments, one will be a dark view, and one will be positive. And we'll see who wins.
WILLIAMS: OK, I was just opening to you, but I will say this, that the -- a judge -- federal judge has now opened voter registration, extended it, in Florida. And we've seen voting already start in many states. So this election is on.
BOLLING: Yes, it's on. And, you know, pre-voting, it's going to be huge.
And think what these people are voting on it right now. They're looking at two candidates who are taking shots -- like literally, the worst, lowest shots you can possibly take at each other. I mean, it's sad. Really, honestly, I didn't mean to not answer you right away. But it's just tiring. I'm just literally...
PERINO: You're, like, running out of words. We're running out of words.
WILLIAMS: How is my friend Kimberly Guilfoyle feeling?
GUILFOYLE: Energized. I had some super beef today.
WILLIAMS: You love this campaign.
GUILFOYLE: I did have beef today.
So this is what I think. I think that people are going to get newly energized by this when they see the debate. I'm not kidding you. I think that's really going to bring a whole other area of discussion. You're going to see also, then, in the polling whether or not that's going to be enough to shift some of the members. Because obviously, now Trump is trying to play catch up. Hillary has got to try and be likeable. And they both have to take a break from any more scandal.
"One More Thing" up next.
GUTFELD: Zero. "One More Thing" -- Juan.
WILLIAMS: Listen to this.
(MUSIC: BOB DYLAN, "LIKE A ROLLING STONE")
GUTFELD: That was the opening of "Like a Rolling Stone" by Bob Dylan. And today it was announced Bob Dylan is a Nobel Prize winner for literature.
So this morning, when I heard this, I was like, literature? What about his music?
But in fact, I realize you know what? His lyrics are literature. I was thinking about it. Dylan's music, along with Woody Guthrie's "This Land is Your Land," Curtis Mayfield's "People Get Ready," some of America's most treasured protest literature. Congratulations, Bob Dylan...
GUTFELD: He also wrote...
WILLIAMS: ... for writing American music.
GUTFELD: He also wrote "My Sharona." You didn't know that, did you? He wrote "My Sharona."
WILLIAMS: Is that true?
BOLLING: I feel bad for the people who didn't win this year.
Very quickly, they want me to go fast. Hillary's scandals, we talked about a bunch of them. Cozy relationship mainstream media; Bleach Bit 33,000 e- mails; spoking mocking Catholics. Here it is. Just take a look. Just watch.
PERINO: Good chart.
BOLLING: Take a picture of that. I'll post it.
GUTFELD: A T-shirt waiting to happen.
PERINO: Cattle futures and Whitewater.
GUILFOYLE: Open borders, cattle futures. Now that one...
BOLLING: Put it on Facebook.
GUILFOYLE: ... is a timeline (ph).
GUTFELD: "Cattle Future, '99." That's where cows traveled to the future.
GUILFOYLE: All right. I want -- All right, I want to wish the Navy a happy 241st birthday, indeed. And I want to say a special thank you and God bless you to those who serve and to your families that support you. To the brave men and women defending freedom in this amazing country.
GUTFELD: Well done. Dana.
PERINO: All right. So there's only a few more days left until this thing comes out. I think we have a little SOT.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
(IMAGES OF BOOK: "A DAY IN THE LIFE OF JASPER," ALONG WITH PHOTOS OF DANA PERINO AND HER DOG, JASPER)
(END VIDEO CLIP)
PERINO: How nice the music is. A little seductive.
PERINO: That's why we tried that. But here's the thing.
GUTFELD: That's not -- no music like that with a dog.
PERINO: This is -- I have a great offer. Inside this book I wrote one chapter in Jasper's voice. It's called "A Day in the Life of Jasper." You can pre-order between now and then and send us your e-mail, your receipt, to JasperPerino@Jasper.com. You will get that chapter immediately, today, so that you can read it. And it's hilarious.
GUTFELD: All right.
PERINO: In his voice.
GUILFOYLE: Is Greg touring with you this time?
PERINO: No, obviously, he's irritated.
GUTFELD: No. I'm going to -- I have 30 seconds left.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
GUTFELD: Greg's Secret to Happiness.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GUTFELD: All right. There's nothing sadder than a dirty hyena. When I see a hyena, I think "hygiene-a." If you have a dirty hyena, throw it into a box of soapy water.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
(HYENAS IN BOX OF SOAPY WATER)
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GUILFOYLE: Oh, my gosh. That is so gross.
GUTFELD: That is a bubble bath. There's nothing better than a sweet- smelling hyena to make your evening.
PERINO: Stop. Just say you're sorry now.
GUILFOYLE: A dirty hyena?
GUTFELD: What's wrong with you people?
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